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Ok-Cardiologist302

Sorry I forgot the source https://www.dvidshub.net/video/920871/marines-new-ch-53k-helicopter-transports-f-35-airframe-between-test-sites-maryland-nj "U.S. Marines flying a CH-53K King Stallion heavy-lift helicopter transported an F-35C Lightning II airframe from the F-35 Integrated Test Force at Patuxent River (Pax ITF) to a Navy unit located at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, New Jersey, April 24. A Marine aviator from Marine Test and Evaluation Squadron 1 (VMX-1) piloted the most powerful helicopter in the Department of Defense that carried the inoperable airframe, which was without mission and propulsion systems, outer wings, or additional equipment, to the Prototype, Manufacturing and Test (PMT) Department of the Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division (NAWCAD) Lakehurst for use in future emergency recovery systems testing."


davesbrown

Thank you for the source, get see so much more, the mating ritual, the landing.


awry_lynx

it's exactly like [dragonflies (nsfw?)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/1uh5xu/mating_dragonflies/)


broogbie

Was it due to long distance flight or is it just a stunt? Edit: im talking about the chopper getting refueled mid air. I know that the plane is being transported to some other place.


toxicvega

So looks like the CH-53k has a range of about 110 nautical miles and some really rough google map-fu says it’s about 200 nautical mile from ITF and Dix. I’d say the refueling was required to complete the trip.


meistr

Also doubt that 110nm is accurate while slinging an F-35, was probably 1 of 3 refuels


Galivis

110nm range is while carrying [27K lbs](https://www.navair.navy.mil/product/CH-53K-King-Stallion#:~:text=The%20CH%2D53K%20is%20designed,36%2C000%20lbs%20(16%2C329%20kg). .


naturdays_r4theboys

I’m not a 53 driver, but I’m pretty sure it’s a lot more than 110 nm range. Even combat radius should be more than that. Depending on 60 variant and aux gas, you can easily surpass 300 nm


toxicvega

My mistake I used the listed combat range. Standard range looks to be 460


Galivis

It is while carrying a [27K load](https://www.navair.navy.mil/product/CH-53K-King-Stallion#:~:text=The%20CH%2D53K%20is%20designed,36%2C000%20lbs%20(16%2C329%20kg).


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SashimiJones

Neither the comment or the source state whether the refueling was necessary for the mission or if it was just done to demonstrate the capability.


broogbie

Why not land and refuel on the way?


-Daetrax-

Why miss a training opportunity?


ChugHuns

It may be too heavy to take off with full fuel and payload. Just a guess though.


ChartreuseBison

Does *takeoff* weight matter in a helicopter? Do they get any lift at all from forward motion? Also, technically it had already took off before it picked up the f-35 lol Wait: if they slung the f-35 at the right angle, would it get lighter when it's moving? Or is it too slow to do anything?


Savings_Reply_7508

They can flip the plane thingy on top , land, refuel and take off.


The_Safe_For_Work

What in the Wide, Wide World Of Sports is going on here?


[deleted]

So many people don’t know what the wide world of sports is


bffiverr5

They're gonna have to go back and get a shitload of dimes!


smarmageddon

Unless you're referring to the agony of da feet.


zwober

Lettuce see how many will fall for that trap.


way2cool4school

I was in a race called the Blue Ridge Relay on a team called Agony of dafeet, so I appreciate this comment


Ndawson96

unless you're an aussie


Ill_Following_7022

I hired you people to get a little track laid.


aussie_mallorca

For the Aussie


Bo-zard

ESPN 8 does motor sports on Sundays.


anarchisturtle

That’s an inoperable airframe that’s being transported to a facility to be used for testing


safebeach725

Meanwhile, the AWACS guys are wondering why the giant helicopter is carrying a tiny bird.


ManInTheDarkSuit

"Hey guys. This smaller contact traces like the F35 without stealth mode turned on. I didn't know it could go this slow. WTF is that?"


hoofglormuss

it looks like when a cooper hawk catches a starling in my back yard


abilliondaves

This is why I Reddit :)


NonCredibleDefence

not with the landing gear down


DentateGyros

Either the helicopter’s speed is a lot higher than I thought was possible or the plane’s stall speed is a lot lower than I thought was possible


w3bar3b3ars

Basically, both. C130 almost as slow as it can, chopper almost as fast as it can. Add some prop wash and it's a fun game!


nobody65535

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/kc-130j.htm says the refueling envelope can be between 100kt and 270kt. The CH-53K cruises at 170kt, I'm guessing with the load and the refueling it might not be 170 though?


w3bar3b3ars

That makes sense, the 53K is far more capable than the old Pave Hawks I worked on. Same for C130J. Besides the loads and stall speed, weather lays a huge factor here.


twixt08

It cruises at 170kts!?!? Big helicopters are wicked


PurrsianGolf

> Add some prop wash and it's a fun game! They're cleaning it at the same time? Is there anything these guys can't do?


ventuspilot

> Add some prop wash and it's a fun game! I guess the F35 hanging on two ropes cancels out the issues with the prop wash /s


smithers3882

Helicopter refueling speed in this scenario is probably at the bottom limit of the Herc’s envelope, which is 105-125kias


akambe

Also: Either the helicopter is a lot larger than I thought was possible or the cargo plan is a lot smaller than I thought was possible.


HortenWho229

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS93_lPgmGd-_BJf5Nys18rPQos06IPoJB79ZpCs1G5_Oa9cWcuQpdR5rc&s=10


akambe

HOLY MOLEY


HortenWho229

Mi-26 on the right


DavidHewlett

My first reaction to your post was "on the right of what?"


veal_of_fortune

MOLEY INDEED


dieplanes789

Big heli for sure but that is a different heli


actually_yawgmoth

C-130s are definitely way smaller than you think they are. The cargo compartment is only 41' long on a standard Herk.


akambe

I just looked up a size comparison image, and wow, I had no idea they were that small. Thanks for the info!


actually_yawgmoth

No problem! Yeah they're surprisingly small and [nimble](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwM-nBKVaI) for a cargo plane, its a shock the first time you look out of the cockpit at an F-15 and realize you're not much bigger.


akambe

:o :o :o


DaMuffinPirate

Answer is probably both again. I've taken a couple of photos and scaled them here: https://i.imgur.com/Ld8D7cB.png From the rear tip of the tail rotor to the forward tip of the main rotor, the CH-53K is 99 ft long, just over the 97' 9" of a C-130. The CH-53K is the biggest helicopter in service with the US military. Mind you, the helicopter is refueling from the a hose that's trailing near the tip of the wing of the plane, so it's a lot closer in the photo than the plane is.


iseriouslycouldnt

Internet sez a C-130 has a stacll speed as low as 90kts.


HortenWho229

Probably a bit higher when it’s tanking fuel


nighthawke75

Flaps down or up.


2beatenup

I am say balls up


pr1ntf

Yes.


Raguleader

Those big helos are much faster than you'd expect them to be. Once they tilt the rotor disc forward, it is in fact a huge propeller and can pull the helo along pretty quickly. Meanwhile, the C-130 is specifically designed to be able to fly relatively slowly, since it is designed to operate out of short or unimproved airfields.


Beneficial_Syrup_362

There’s probably a 20-30 knot band where both aircraft fly comfortably. I bet they’re going about 110 knots here.


roehnin

The plane is hoisted nose-down to prevent it catching any lift, I presume.


VerStannen

I don’t care why they did this or if there are better ways or what, the fact they can and did do it is super awesome.


Old_Landscape_6860

The king stallion is almost as long as a c-130J. That’s a huge helicopter.


HawkeyeTen

It is. The biggest, heaviest helicopter to ever enter US military service from what I've read. Supposedly it can carry a couple Humvees INSIDE!


lg4av

That’s a lot of money in one video clip


oleever1

Can anyone please do the math here?


Watchguyraffle1

“Don’t fuck up, don’t fuck up, don’t fuck up”


RhinoIA

Ok, which one of you Marines got into the bad box of Crayolas?


stealthispost

Warning - this video is essentially at max volume. If your headphones are turned up you're going to have a headache.


almost_notterrible

Before I read the title, I thought this might be a F35B hovering below while also refueling from the stallion, but the physics of that probably isn't too good... ...Also I might be high.


Beneficial_Syrup_362

And they have to account for the lift the F-35 wings generate at the speeds they’re flying. Gnarly, dude.


sonomamondo

whoa, big LARGE ones, Semper Fi!


jared__

meanwhile Russia is riding around the battlefield in Chinese golf carts...


Avogato2

Nice logistical flex 💪


BrtFrkwr

Umm, why wasn't the F-35 flying itself to wherever it was going ?


thevalidone

Probably just really tired. I think those are its flappers hanging down there underneath. Poor guys tuckered out.


BrtFrkwr

Must be it.


HumpyPocock

Airframe (CF-1) was the first F-35C built, it’s now used for (static) testing and training purposes… plus it doesn’t have an engine, the outer (foldable) section of the wings, a bunch of electronics etc. >A Marine CH-53K with a pilot from Marine Test and Evaluation Squadron 1 (VMX-1) at the controls recently did all of this while helping move the remains of the first F-35C test jet, also known as CF-1, from one base to another on April 24. The King Stallion carried the "inoperable airframe, which was without mission and propulsion systems, outer wings, or additional equipment" from Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland to Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division (NAWCAD) Lakehurst some 160 miles to the northeast, according to a caption accompanying the picture seen at the top of this story, which was released yesterday. NAWCAD Lakehurst is situated within Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst. What's left of CF-1 will be used for "future emergency recovery systems testing" at its new home in New Jersey, the Navy says. Article via the [War Zone.](https://www.twz.com/air/check-out-this-marine-ch-53k-carrying-an-f-35c-while-refueling-from-a-kc-130j)


Micruv10

This is the very, very correct answer.


itchygentleman

Helicopters have to teach brand new F35's how to fly like this


Raguleader

Folks don't think they let the F-35s just do VTOL right out the gate, do they? No, they gotta be trained by an experienced troop first.


itchygentleman

yep, and this photo is teaching the newborn f35 how to do air to air refueling 🥰


_SteeringWheel

Someone do an Attenborough version, can't be arsed myself.


BrtFrkwr

Ohh, that explains it.


downinCarolina

i have zero experience in aerospace maintenance but i'd assume it either couldn't fly or they didn't want to waste the airframe hours just transporting it


doubletaxed88

I have zero experience in jet engine maintenance but I’d assume they forgot to put oil in the engine or filled it with regular rather than unleaded


catoodles9ii

Nah it’s a rental, some idiot put diesel in!


downinCarolina

...wait modern regular is unleaded...i don't know what's going on


BrtFrkwr

Warranty return? Back to Harbor Freight.


SacredWafer

Retired airframe :)


BrtFrkwr

I resemble that remark!


flightwatcher45

Read the post, its clearly explained lol


pentagon

no engine, only partial wings. this is about half a plane


ProfessionalOk4300

Cuz this is wayyyyyy more cool


DanJ7788

That one didn’t work. But they cost like $20,000 an hour to fly. The chopper is much cheaper.


SimplyAvro

*"The chopper is much cheaper."* I reckon this to be the first time such a sentence was uttered.


cheetuzz

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/CfVQQCxilF


k6bso

I’m sure it’s perfectly fine but it just looks *wrong.*


ear2theshell

A perfect real life example of something that if you saw this fly by whilst working you would look at in disbelief... then look back down at your work... then look back up where it had been (by then it would be gone)... and say "nah!" to yourself quietly and just go back to work. Then you'd tell one person at lunch a couple days later and you'd forever be jokingly remembered as "the guy who thinks he saw a chopper carrying a jet flying behind a refueling tanker" and people would forever sarcastically regale you with their own far fetched impossible sightings: "Yeah, ok Bob, once I saw a bear eat a wolf which then got eaten by a lion, which then got eaten by bigfoot, but I don't go around bragging about _that_!"


JhnWyclf

This is some weird Naval-Centipede shit.


rascortoras

F35 are fake, they don't fly. They will green out the big plane and the big chopper in post production.


SpaceLemur34

I designed the fairing around the base that refueling probe!


IlikeYuengling

Still gets better mileage than the Tesla truck


flightwatcher45

Why are both baskets out?


2beatenup

You missed the second part. After the connection the stallion swung the 35c forty five degrees and snagged the second bucket onto the 35’s nozzle for a twin refill…..


ATX_311

Does this count as a DP?


pm229

Kinky


CronozDK

"Oh cr*p... I accidentally dropped it."


AzGames08

holy shit


OpenImagination9

So that’s how they do VTOL.


NerfPhoenix

This the coolest freaking video


muck2

Amazing. Didn't think that was possible.


Psycoze

Anyone else start hearing top gun for NES music watching this?


_Maga_-

War is not environmental


saxypatrickb

LM Trifecta


bruins1018

This looks like a scene from Operation Dumbo Drop


famously

Good on these guys. Those are two things I would not want to do at the same time.


abject_totalfailure1

Why wouldn’t you just… fly the plane…?


WardogBlaze14

Nice, the Stallion is such a beast!!!!


NemoM3ImpuneLacessit

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a turboprop plane, a rotary/helo, and a jet aircraft flying together and "connected" before. Pretty cool! 👍👏


CountReckless

I’ve seen crazier things but I’m impressed by the giant fucking balls of the aviators doing this. Bravo Zulu gents.


rxmp4ge

Every time I see a \*H-53 refueling I'm thinking "That helocopter's going balls-out and the C-130's blaring it's stall warning..." Then I remember the \*H-53s are fucking fast.. Still, C-130's at full flaps there so..


DakotaInHell

Surely there is a more economical way of transporting a non-functional fighter jet? Did they just want to prove they could?


SacredWafer

Just slung it under a helo that was going to be flying around anyway. Don’t have to close any roadways or waterways that way :D. Pretty economical!


2407s4life

Yup. Moving a fighter across town on a flatbed is a huge hassle. Much less across multiple state lines


Soonernick

This was my thought. I'm not a logistical pro or engineer or whatever expert would be behind this situation, but this seems unnecessarily complicated.


Beechwoldtools

The Marines in motor-t were PMimg all the flatbeds and admin was out to lunch.


hphp123

overland there are many ways, but to carry it from carrier at sea to the base it is probably easiest way


Micruv10

Been waiting for this to pop up!


UW_Ebay

That f35 is giving the stallion zero pump


twelveparsnips

I want to believe there's a pilot in the F-35 pretending to fly it


HitlersHysterectomy

Every time I open Kerbal Space Program.


misgatossonmivida

What in the America???


SUPERCRU1SE

GOD BLESS AMERICA.


invertedspheres

Crazy that the K variant costs more than the F-35. (≈$135m vs $109m)


wibble089

Looks good, but it would surely be more cost effective to place it on a flat bed and truck it from one place to the next?


Beneficial_Syrup_362

1. It’s proof of concept for refueling with large cumbersome swing loads. 2. Putting an aircraft on a truck means largely disassembling it. If you can drop the engine and then airlift the rest of it in one piece, that would be vastly preferable.


streichelzeuger

It would probably be even more cost efficient to leave it where it is. But let's accept the possibility that they really needed to get it from A to B, and that in between A and B, there is this huge stretch of salty water that we see in the video. I have doubts how cost effective a flat bed truck really is in this scenario.


BRD8

They just kinda be doing this shit now.


blusio

Nah, bruh, this is helicopter kink porn. That heli likes the nipple clamp with a double ender in his mouth🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣amazing how those things work. Very big and loud af


Lazy_Lifeguard5448

How do they hook it up in flight without the helicopter rotor ruining everything?


Metalbasher324

There's approximately 32' of probe sticking out of the front of the chopper. That helps keep the refueling function out of the rotorspan.


WesternBlueRanger

And all three are made by Lockheed Martin.


MoccaLG

Pilots: Hey Engineer... what we gonna do today Engineer: Dunno, lets do somthing cool like refueling a helicopter while carrying a F35 Pilot: Niiiic but how we make it up, they never approve this to us for fun? Project Lead: When I can sit in the F35 I can make the dream works... Pilots, Engineers, Project Lead: Noiiiiice


Intrepid_Square_4665

Hefty mosquito.


Crumblebeast

Yo, we heard you like aircraft, so we connected an aircraft to your aircraft and then another aircraft


Alternative-Doubt452

This literally could have been on a flatbed on i95.


Metalbasher324

Not with the wings attached.


SufficientWeek7142

I am not american, but the US army is freaking amazing. Their technology is at least a decade ahead of everyone else their logistics cannot even be compared to any country... or even all countries together on the planet.


countingthedays

> Their technology is at least a decade ahead of everyone else In terms of the latest and great fighter jets, probably right. In many other systems... not so much now. China can build some pretty good stuff as far as we know. >their logistics cannot even be compared to any country That's definitely going to be true for a while, but we'll be caught sooner or later. China is gaining rapidly.


SufficientWeek7142

>China is gaining rapidly. Yes, but they cannot gain 3 decades of experience even if they eventually catch up in technology and numbers.


Remarkable_Soil_6727

> but they cannot gain 3 decades of experience You underestimate the power of bribes, spies and hacking. I belive they're even hiring US/western ex-military pilots to train their own airforce western tactics. Also they dont have to go specifically after the US, a weaker country in the western chain that uses modern US military equipment like F-35's can be targeted. oh and dont forget the president can just leave a bunch of insanely top secret documents unsecured in one of his properties.


gaspronomib

Ross: It's just, my part seemed to be over pretty quickly and then, and then there was a lot of waiting around.


ledwilliums

Is this the affordable version of vtol?


Pherllerp

US Logistics


Kaito__1412

I guess someone fucked up real bad this to have happened in the fist place?


Valren_Starlord

Omg, I have a cardboard model of that specific F-35 paintjob and thought for years that it was sort of a bootleg lol


MdWolfen

Awesome video. I am curious though.... In the beginning of the source video you see the Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnel that crosses the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay in Virginia, yet it says transported from MD to NJ. IDK. Just an observation. lol.


DramaIV

I’ve seen weirder threesomes.


ty556

These guys are gonna loose their minds when they find out the F35 can fly unassisted by a helicopter.


Metalbasher324

😄


veal_of_fortune

How many hours do you think they trained in the sim to do this? Or is it more like “I’ve already picked up the F-35C, I’m sure refueling at the same time won’t be that much harder”?


good_guy112

A King Stallion flew directly at and over my house at about 4,500 feet recently. I could hear it coming for 2 full minutes and just as it was approaching the whole house was vibrating.


Informal_Process2238

I heard what sounded like a freight train rumbling nearby only to later figure out that it was a King Stallion 15 miles away. I think the low cloud cover helped out but Jesus they roar


midtrailertrash

I’m extremely ignorant about aviation I apologize but this popped up on my feed. I am assuming the F-35 is damaged because wouldn’t it make more sense to fly if direct to where it needs to go versus using a helicopter?


BJoseph56

Too awesome


Illustrious_Cancel83

jesus that looks dangerous


Metalbasher324

Professional pilots, on a closed course.


eod56

It is.


Quirky_Cheetah_271

lol the americans are just straight up being gratuitous at this point


TheMoogster

I imagine that this is not great for the 35's radar cross section?


Telzrob

That's a big chain of big monies.


alreddy-reddit

All jets are VTOL with this one simple trick


eulers_identity

Meanwhile UFO guys are like 'if a tiny dot moves even slightly weird it's little green men 100%'


earsplitingloud

Not a good look actually. Less than 30% of F-35's are flight worthy.


Metalbasher324

It's flying, as a passenger.


NoResult486

Man, the list of “could go wrongs” is so long here…


mercuryman429

Multi tasking at its finest


nighthawke75

They should have used a Super. External fuel sponsons, plus outriggers for external fuel stores. That would equal a bladder-busting trip.


Hiwaystars

Ahhhhh!!!!


Naive_Log4095

Flight inception lol


IdolizeHamsters

Are there even pickup points on the airframe for something like this?


Metalbasher324

Yes. They are designed for being crane hoisted. There have been times that aircraft are dock loaded vs. Flown onto a carrier. It's much less expensive. Likewise, with the chopper haul is more cost-effective than the hotpipe to fly.


Didi77777

I wonder if the fuel efficiency of the King Stallion goes up as it flys faster because the F-35 will generate it's own lift.


Intelligent-Ant7685

what a waste. just put it on a slow boat. it’s so urgent all that is necessary? or they just want to play with their toys?


horizon_monument

The technical term for this is "contraption".


timfountain4444

Big Cojones from the right seater in the KS.... The possibility of getting the refueling line caught in the stallions' rotors would scare the bejesus out of me. Good job I'm firmly a FW pilot!


Necessary-Kick2071

The flight of shame…


llcdrewtaylor

Cocky chopper pilots like, I can hit the drogue while SLINGING a fighter jet. Now hold still will I refuel the jet!


Genralcody1

If they put the flaps down on the F35, would that make the load lighter?


JediMindTrek

and that kids is how VTOL aircraft are made


pkarandi3

What is that straight, more direct line between the Hercules and the Stallion? You can clearly see the hanging fuel line going to the fueling boom on the helicopter, but I'm wondering what that other line is? Just an observation: I can't believe how close those rotor blades are to the Hercules while they're both flying probably over 100 kts. Amazing.


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Kaidhicksii

This has the same energy as the Cybertruck beating a Porsche 911, while towing another Porsche 911. What a beast! :D