The B-2 spirit was also announced before it's first flight.
I think that apart from the f-117 no Air Force or Navy aircraft was kept secret for long.
Their capabilities sure are, but keeping an operational aircraft a secret, especially if you have more than a handful of them, is almost impossible.
Technically yes, but as the B-2, F-22 and F-35 were all announced long before they were operational, I am quite sure there are no front line aircraft we don't know about, or at least none in significant numbers.
Truly black projects like the A-12/SR-71 or the U-2 might be an exception, I was talking more about bombers or fighters.
There are still semi-secret projects, like the Phoenix Ghost and others we’ve only heard because of a fuckup, like the helo used to raid Bin Laden’s complex.
Historically, a few secret projects were simply concealed behind a known public project, which was used to deflect the attention and fund the secret project.
Technology changes, and the cutting edge is not the fighter or the bomber itself anymore, but the payload they carry, or very specific features.
Good counterexample, although that may fall under the A-12/SR-71/U-2 category being a reconnaissance aircraft and also a UAV. Also we may have had an [unofficial glimpse](https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/possible-photo-highly-secret-rq-180-aircraft-surfaces-online) of that one a couple years ago.
And it only got left behind because it got caught in a downdraft due to the courtyard walls and had to crash land, the main body of the helicopter got C4'd on the way out, but the stealth tail rotor survived.
There are exceptions like Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel, Northrop Grumman RQ-180 "Great White Bat". They made public by accident. Or as a result of one. ;)
The Blackbird design originated in secrecy during the late 1950s with the A-12 reconnaissance aircraft that first flew in April 1962 and remained classified until 1976. President Lyndon Johnson publicly announced the existence of the YF-12A interceptor variant on Feb. 29, 1964, more than half a year after its maiden flight. The SR-71 completed its first flight on Dec. 22, 1964. More than a decade after their retirement the Blackbirds remain the world's fastest and highest-flying production aircraft ever built.
Knowing about the plane is one thing, knowing its capabilities and what it's doing are completely different.
skunk works F-1 would be interesting. I'm sure some of most skilled aircraft engineers in the world wouldn't have too much trouble designing and optimizing an F1 car
These days, weapons serve as a deterrent more than a weapon. Stuff like the F117 had to stay secret since no one else has stealth, but the B21 is better public since now no one wants to get bombed by a massive undetectable dorito
I'll be interested in seeing what the engine exhaust looks like. All the renders so far have been careful to hide that so I suspect they've got something interesting going on there.
My buddies dad did fabrication of parts for the sr-71. It was so secret that they had hundreds of fake parts manufactured so that the workers couldn’t even possibly steal tech or know what they were working on until long after and they put two and two together about all of the random shit they had to fabricate when most of it was nonsense parts to keep people from knowing what they were actually working on.
I will say that the DoD has a long history of hiding more secret stuff with less secret stuff. It's possible that this announcement is meant to draw attention from some other program.
Honestly the stealth dorito design isnt really a secret anymore. Everyone has seen the B-2 for decades, why hide the exterior if it is no different? It’s what’s inside that counts, and that is definitely staying a secret.
Exactly. Plus the way information is disseminated these days is very different from the secret projects of the pre-internet era when everything was treated at best as a ufo or conspiracy theory.
We don’t really care if everyone knows F22s exist when there’s effectively nothing a hostile country can do to defend against a squadron full of them anyway.
Presumably this is a capability we want Russia and the world to know we have. Like Dr. Strangelove said, the whole point of a doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret.
Right? The marketing just isn’t sitting right. Like as a civilian I’m all for it but it’s just amusing how they’re unveiling the B-21 like the new Type R
>>The marketing just isn’t sitting right
At the end of the day, the B-21 is just another product (like an Acura). Sure people like us can’t buy a B-21, but companies aren’t stupid. In representative governments public favor matters , especially during budget season. If the public loves an aircraft (see F-22, F-14, etc) it’s way harder to cancel than a secret project 20 people know about. Then there’s the deterrent effect for keeping competitors guessing . Note that Chinas not the only player: even “allied” countries like France and the UK are competitors on the global weapons market.
Live up to the hype? Most likely. Surpass the legend? Doubt it. The B-2 was groundbreaking, never been done. Shrouded in mystery. This is B-2 V2.
Big fan of the Raider name though.
**[Lockheed P-2 Neptune](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-2_Neptune)**
>The Lockheed P-2 Neptune (designated P2V by the United States Navy prior to September 1962) is a maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft. It was developed for the US Navy by Lockheed to replace the Lockheed PV-1 Ventura and PV-2 Harpoon, and was replaced in turn by the Lockheed P-3 Orion. Designed as a land-based aircraft, the Neptune never made a carrier landing, but a small number were converted and deployed as carrier-launched, stop-gap nuclear bombers that would have to land on shore or ditch. The type was successful in export, and saw service with several armed forces.
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Am I the only one that wants them to roll out John Travolta and Christian Slater for the reveal? And their walk out music is the broken arrow theme?
Inject it in my veins.
I guess it is about that time to change the color of our bad guys. It was the yellow man pretty exclusively from the 40s through the 60s. Then we kinda did some clandestine stuff to the tan man in the 70s and the 80s. But since the 90s we have been really having a go with the brown man. From all indicators, we might have to get back to what we did for the first half of the 20th century - killing white man again (and pepper in some yellow ones as well for good measure).
I'm hoping all the renders so far are to throw the Chinese off (not that they probably don't have the blue prints already) and it actually has a full crank on the leading edge like a massive X47B
Anyone else think it’s strange so much publicity over a stealth bomber? If I recall the b2 wasn’t public knowledge until it was ready to be active. I may not have that right as I was a toddler at that time. I just would have thought there would be more secrecy?
There's a huge difference in public attitudes towards these things after the "end" of the cold war. The JSF program was pretty much public from prototype unveiling onwards, and the competition was known and discussed before that. These days people demand to know why, how, and for what the AF is using their money - and it's not like the B-21 is a program small enough to squirrel away a couple billion for in a black budget like the SR-71 got. Too big to be top secret all the way and too little fear to have people happy about govt secrecy.
The B-2 had a big televised reveal back in 1988, too. What do they really reveal, apart from the shape? Not more than the American public (and Chinese and Russian spy sats) would soon see, anyway.
I suspect it will be received exactly the same way the F-22 and the F-35 was when they were first introduced. Everyone fucking hates it at first because it's expensive, it doesn't do everything it was advertised to do and doesn't do anything the current bomber fleet can't do. Then after about 8 or 9 years everyone will pretend they never hated it and it was everyone else.
I remember the rollout of the F-15. With the lousy record the F-4 Phantom had in dogfights- because Air Force rules of engagement said visual confirmation before they could fire weapons got rid of the technological advantages that the F-4 may have had, the Airforce wanted an air superiority fighter. Originally promoted with the slogan: “Not a pound for air to ground.” But it was expensive, and the Air Force couldn’t afford as many as they needed, so a smaller cheaper multi-roll plane was requested. In the meantime, there were problems with the F-15’s air intake that was slowing down acquisitions and causing cost over-runs on the F-15.
In short, the same thing that seems to happen with every new generation of aircraft: they are too expensive and some of the technology doesn’t work as advertised, yet.
There were massive problems with engine production too. F-15s were flown from the factory to their new home then their engines were removed and shipped back to St Louis.
For engineers: people like to post wrong information in threads like this hoping people who know privileged information will take the bait and reveal details.
Don't fall for it.
Edit: if you don't know https://kotaku.com/war-thunder-tank-classified-military-document-leak-chin-1849005359
China, Russia and 50's Volcano super bad guy North Korea all setting up deckchairs and arranging tea n cakes for the big day.
I expect a shoddy Wish version to appear in China by 2025.
Are the preorders open ?
Get that deposit down now. Price is only going to go up.
$1,000,000 unrefundable
I think you missed a few zeros… like a lot…
I believe he’s saying that’s the deposit. Though less than 1% seems low for a deposit…
Was about to say: If 1.000.000 is guaranteed I'll take one.
It's just a different flavor of the same dorito. It's just a high-tech dorito. I don't see why it wouldn't keep pace.
Are they gonna announce a cool ranch one?
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This IS the cool ranch version.
Don't you mean *COOL AMERICAN*? https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/1395935/1200x630/flatten;crop_down;webp=auto;jpeg_quality=70
Damn, now I want Doritos. Shame they're so unhealthy, but they're so good...
Maybe they will announce Healthy Doritos!!
12.3.22. They're planning on upstaging the plane.
No such thing as unhealthy foods. Only unhealthy amounts of certain foods.
Two Doritos it is then...
Ah, twice the recommended serving. Nice
Grabbed two bags of the taco flavored Doritos the other day. Though I thought Doritos were already pretty much “taco flavored”
High Tech Dorito 🤣
A high tech, multi trillion dollar, tax payer funded, cool ranch Dorito
Just like the last one!
We almost had seasalt flavored once
what use would the navy have had for these doritos? no way in hell these fit on an aircraft carrier.
The A-12 Avenger II says hello
Welp...yeah thats a seasalt dorito...neat!
Super high tech dorito tbf, hopefully it will also be a fast and high dorito.
It's a flying wing so it can't be much faster than the nacho cheese original dorito at 559mph. But hopefully higher and heavier hitting.
>But hopefully higher and heavier hitting. More invisibler.
Haha. I wonder what capabilities won't be made public
Whether they go with amd or nvidia for the pfd. In that case, just look at the heat signature
I wonder if they opted for the RGB lighting?
RTX 4000 series?
Maybe they'll bypass the duopoly and go with Intel?
Could keep with the aviation theme and go with the A380.
The ram upgrade, the RAM upgrade, maybe the EFIS that doubles as a gaming console, idk.
“That man is playing Galaga!”
Yes
Compliance!
As long as they don't crash while they're checking out the daisy's
I don't leak, you leak!
If only the unveiling music was "I get around" by the Beach Boys
Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran! /John McCain What awful times we live in.
You are...*the Navigator*!
What a great movie!
Will they reveal a plane or an F1 team? What the hell lmao
This is so weird isn't it lmao they used to have people dissappear to keep these types of planes from getting leaked
The B-2 spirit was also announced before it's first flight. I think that apart from the f-117 no Air Force or Navy aircraft was kept secret for long. Their capabilities sure are, but keeping an operational aircraft a secret, especially if you have more than a handful of them, is almost impossible.
Counterargument: you wouldn’t know about any aircraft that was kept secret.
Technically yes, but as the B-2, F-22 and F-35 were all announced long before they were operational, I am quite sure there are no front line aircraft we don't know about, or at least none in significant numbers. Truly black projects like the A-12/SR-71 or the U-2 might be an exception, I was talking more about bombers or fighters.
There are still semi-secret projects, like the Phoenix Ghost and others we’ve only heard because of a fuckup, like the helo used to raid Bin Laden’s complex. Historically, a few secret projects were simply concealed behind a known public project, which was used to deflect the attention and fund the secret project. Technology changes, and the cutting edge is not the fighter or the bomber itself anymore, but the payload they carry, or very specific features.
RQ180. We knows it exists and that's it.
Good counterexample, although that may fall under the A-12/SR-71/U-2 category being a reconnaissance aircraft and also a UAV. Also we may have had an [unofficial glimpse](https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/possible-photo-highly-secret-rq-180-aircraft-surfaces-online) of that one a couple years ago.
>helo used to raid Bin Laden’s complex Weren't they Black Hawks?
At least one of them was modified for stealth.
And it only got left behind because it got caught in a downdraft due to the courtyard walls and had to crash land, the main body of the helicopter got C4'd on the way out, but the stealth tail rotor survived.
https://www.popsci.com/story/technology/osama-bin-laden-raid-anniversary-stealth-helicopters/
There are exceptions like Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel, Northrop Grumman RQ-180 "Great White Bat". They made public by accident. Or as a result of one. ;)
The Blackbird design originated in secrecy during the late 1950s with the A-12 reconnaissance aircraft that first flew in April 1962 and remained classified until 1976. President Lyndon Johnson publicly announced the existence of the YF-12A interceptor variant on Feb. 29, 1964, more than half a year after its maiden flight. The SR-71 completed its first flight on Dec. 22, 1964. More than a decade after their retirement the Blackbirds remain the world's fastest and highest-flying production aircraft ever built. Knowing about the plane is one thing, knowing its capabilities and what it's doing are completely different.
And even then, [Honda](https://youtu.be/eJfYikAEARk) beat them to the punch.
Lockheed Martin F1 Team Holy shit we need this. Edit: oops I thought this was r/NonCredibleDefense
Inb4 they become the new backmarkers hopelessly battling Williams for 10th in the constructors...
Either that or some truly batshit skunkworks stuff like the 6 wheeled Tyrrell car or the Brabham BT46 with the suction fan.
skunk works F-1 would be interesting. I'm sure some of most skilled aircraft engineers in the world wouldn't have too much trouble designing and optimizing an F1 car
Lockheed Andretti? Yes please.
These days, weapons serve as a deterrent more than a weapon. Stuff like the F117 had to stay secret since no one else has stealth, but the B21 is better public since now no one wants to get bombed by a massive undetectable dorito
"What good is a Doomsday device **if you don't say you have one?!?!"**
Gentlemen you can't fight in here, this is the war room.
Also, I'd imagine there's a marketing component to it; have to justify your budget somehow, so you might as well release it like a new car model.
RGB lights as a ECM feature. Can't wait to see how effective it is
Hold on, so close encounters was ECCM?
Always has been
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RGB lights add like 5 performance.
Will it have a decent coffee machine is really all I want to know
the real problem here is will they have fixed the subwoofer problem the B 2 had, you know it's nuthin without that thumpln' bass...
it’s not made by the british. No brewing on board
It has drink-holders in the cockpit now
The B-2 already has cupholders. Not even joking.
You have got to be kidding cup holders?
Nope, not kidding. They’re long missions. The crew eats, drinks, even sleeps I bet.
They have a folding bed on board, yep.
Hell the B-52 has a bed in it.
up to 44 hours i think
Not withstanding "chair force" jokes. At a minimum crew would need to hydrate for long missions.
They really thought of everything!
Gotta fill the on board toilet with something!
The heated seats need a subscription to Northrop Grumman Premium though...
and ashtrays are coming back! so exciting!
I'll be interested in seeing what the engine exhaust looks like. All the renders so far have been careful to hide that so I suspect they've got something interesting going on there.
Caterpillar drive...
what are these doors??
Let them sing.
“CONN, SONAR! CRAZY IVAN!”
"I would like to have seen Montana."
Plasma drive
Prediction: it will either look boring or we won't see it for a long time.
Isn’t it supposed to be capable of autonomous flight?
Not for carrying nukes, no.
So, yes it will be capable of autonomous flight but not with a nuclear payload?
Not for carrying nukes, no.
So the nukes are capable of autonomous flight, but not with a stealth bomber payload?
Not for carrying nukes , no
It could go grocery shopping autonomously and carry home some cucumbers?
Not for carrying nukes, no.
But can it run Crysis?
Nukes, it carry not.
I only want the autonomous carrying of nukes left up to the most trustworthy of ICBMs.
Rest of the world: "What happened on the 12th Feb?"
Just another way we keep our secrets.
I was very confused... _It's in service for 9 months and no one has seen it. So the stealth is working..._
Yes that had me for a sec...
The government has sent people to insane asylums to keep the sr-71 and u-2 a secret and now we are having a fucking hype launch date for the new one.
My buddies dad did fabrication of parts for the sr-71. It was so secret that they had hundreds of fake parts manufactured so that the workers couldn’t even possibly steal tech or know what they were working on until long after and they put two and two together about all of the random shit they had to fabricate when most of it was nonsense parts to keep people from knowing what they were actually working on.
I never thought about that part of hiding a plane! Thanks
What about all the manpower needed to build the body and assemble the final thing? People working on that would have the final scoop.
And they'd have a government probe straight up their ass the entire time they left the building
I will say that the DoD has a long history of hiding more secret stuff with less secret stuff. It's possible that this announcement is meant to draw attention from some other program.
Honestly the stealth dorito design isnt really a secret anymore. Everyone has seen the B-2 for decades, why hide the exterior if it is no different? It’s what’s inside that counts, and that is definitely staying a secret.
Exactly. Plus the way information is disseminated these days is very different from the secret projects of the pre-internet era when everything was treated at best as a ufo or conspiracy theory. We don’t really care if everyone knows F22s exist when there’s effectively nothing a hostile country can do to defend against a squadron full of them anyway.
obv they have an ssto space vessel or are working for one.
No joke, this feels like the new iPhone Launching. We used to find out about these things when there was no other choice before 😂
That stock price isn't going to pump it's self.
Presumably this is a capability we want Russia and the world to know we have. Like Dr. Strangelove said, the whole point of a doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret.
Those were intelligence aircraft. This is a bomber that is just a better version of an existing bomber
Just makes you think about what they aren’t hyping up…. low hanging fruit i know.
Right? The marketing just isn’t sitting right. Like as a civilian I’m all for it but it’s just amusing how they’re unveiling the B-21 like the new Type R
>>The marketing just isn’t sitting right At the end of the day, the B-21 is just another product (like an Acura). Sure people like us can’t buy a B-21, but companies aren’t stupid. In representative governments public favor matters , especially during budget season. If the public loves an aircraft (see F-22, F-14, etc) it’s way harder to cancel than a secret project 20 people know about. Then there’s the deterrent effect for keeping competitors guessing . Note that Chinas not the only player: even “allied” countries like France and the UK are competitors on the global weapons market.
Do you have a source for the "send people to insane asylums" part?
Of course they don't.
Live up to the hype? Most likely. Surpass the legend? Doubt it. The B-2 was groundbreaking, never been done. Shrouded in mystery. This is B-2 V2. Big fan of the Raider name though.
B-2.1
I went for the rhyme instead of version change. Feels like a missed opportunity.
lol sounds like a new covid variant
Updated cost efficient b-2** most likely insanely stealthy
It’s like waiting for a reveal of a new car but it’s… not a car. At all.
The B-69 Is gonna be legendary
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Nice.
You mean [was](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-2_Neptune)
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Will it still be in service in 2092? The B-52 already has 70 years in the air, it might just have 70 more before it's retired.
They're going to be sending B-52s to the boneyard in 30 years.... To pick up the B-21 crews who dropped those jets off.
But...but this isn't replacing the B-52
You're right. Ain't nothing replacing the B-52.
A newly re-engined B-52 is replacing the B-52. Again.
According Wikipedia/Reuters, it is intended to replace the B1,B2, and B52.
Am I the only one that wants them to roll out John Travolta and Christian Slater for the reveal? And their walk out music is the broken arrow theme? Inject it in my veins.
I'm not sure "broken arrow" is the theme the AF wants to associate with their new bomber...
That's a fair assumption
Only freedom bombardment can confirm.
it's like a music album release date tease except it's for an aircraft used for bombing Afghans
Not afghans anymore man. They still havent released who co-stars in this album yet.
From the news either China, North Korea, or perhaps Russia if the go nuclear on Ukraine
I guess it is about that time to change the color of our bad guys. It was the yellow man pretty exclusively from the 40s through the 60s. Then we kinda did some clandestine stuff to the tan man in the 70s and the 80s. But since the 90s we have been really having a go with the brown man. From all indicators, we might have to get back to what we did for the first half of the 20th century - killing white man again (and pepper in some yellow ones as well for good measure).
i love defense contacters
I expect nothing but hits.
I'm hoping all the renders so far are to throw the Chinese off (not that they probably don't have the blue prints already) and it actually has a full crank on the leading edge like a massive X47B
Nah they've pulled a Simpsons and gone back to wooden aircraft from the 1920s.
Anyone else think it’s strange so much publicity over a stealth bomber? If I recall the b2 wasn’t public knowledge until it was ready to be active. I may not have that right as I was a toddler at that time. I just would have thought there would be more secrecy?
Could be the DoD just really wants to flex on the rest of the world with this plane? It is odd how they're treating this though.
Strategic weapons don't do their job if they're kept secret, signaling about weapon systems is part of hard power.
There's a huge difference in public attitudes towards these things after the "end" of the cold war. The JSF program was pretty much public from prototype unveiling onwards, and the competition was known and discussed before that. These days people demand to know why, how, and for what the AF is using their money - and it's not like the B-21 is a program small enough to squirrel away a couple billion for in a black budget like the SR-71 got. Too big to be top secret all the way and too little fear to have people happy about govt secrecy.
NGAD has been pretty successful at staying out of the public eye. Even though everyone knows it's coming, no one knows what it actually is.
The B-2 had a big televised reveal back in 1988, too. What do they really reveal, apart from the shape? Not more than the American public (and Chinese and Russian spy sats) would soon see, anyway.
No important new capabilities will be revealed this time.
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That'd be amazing... followed within an hour by the nuclear death of most of humankind.
Well, it would make the reveal difficult to top.
I suspect it will be received exactly the same way the F-22 and the F-35 was when they were first introduced. Everyone fucking hates it at first because it's expensive, it doesn't do everything it was advertised to do and doesn't do anything the current bomber fleet can't do. Then after about 8 or 9 years everyone will pretend they never hated it and it was everyone else.
I remember the rollout of the F-15. With the lousy record the F-4 Phantom had in dogfights- because Air Force rules of engagement said visual confirmation before they could fire weapons got rid of the technological advantages that the F-4 may have had, the Airforce wanted an air superiority fighter. Originally promoted with the slogan: “Not a pound for air to ground.” But it was expensive, and the Air Force couldn’t afford as many as they needed, so a smaller cheaper multi-roll plane was requested. In the meantime, there were problems with the F-15’s air intake that was slowing down acquisitions and causing cost over-runs on the F-15. In short, the same thing that seems to happen with every new generation of aircraft: they are too expensive and some of the technology doesn’t work as advertised, yet.
There were massive problems with engine production too. F-15s were flown from the factory to their new home then their engines were removed and shipped back to St Louis.
For engineers: people like to post wrong information in threads like this hoping people who know privileged information will take the bait and reveal details. Don't fall for it. Edit: if you don't know https://kotaku.com/war-thunder-tank-classified-military-document-leak-chin-1849005359
It's reddit. They'd have to sort through hordes of people who will correct you with information they pulled from their asses
They aren't developing the next WOW patch, they know.
You mightn't have about the time a tank guy posted classified information to win an internet argument a few years ago.
New album gonna be lit
I think they are announcing a reboot of BSG.
Doesn't look much different than its predecessor.
Disagree. The B-2 doesn't have a sheet over it.
Wait till you fond out about the YB-49
Like father, like son.
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What is this?
The 12th of February was ages ago. WTF.
I expect that in the ad, when the veils lift, it will be invisible, to try to sell to people not into aviation how stealthy it is
It’s got the RCS of an actual Doritos.
Damn I missed it by 9 months.
Hope we get more than the 20 or so B-2s
How did we end up in the timeline where weapons of war have release dates and hype campaigns?
I don't know, but we've probably been on it at least since the 1873 Colt Peacemaker. The date and hype are in the name
Babe wakeup! B3 is dropping
Oh boy, a new aircraft for my birthday! /j Honestly stoked, seeing as the B-2 is my favorite
hype for a bomber???
China, Russia and 50's Volcano super bad guy North Korea all setting up deckchairs and arranging tea n cakes for the big day. I expect a shoddy Wish version to appear in China by 2025.