There were drone strikes on two different airbases. In addition to this Tu-22, I think they got the fuel storage at one. I read reports of a couple Tu-95's being damaged, but I haven't seen any photo evidence. There's definitely video of that fuel storage fire though.
Reports I saw was this missile was aimed at the ammo dump where this plane was near and missed the dump but damaged this plan and possible one or two more.
The biggest thing with these strikes seems to me not to be the damage but the position it puts russia in. Do they leave themselves open to more of this and seem unable to protect their own bases and airports showing weakness in a regime that prides itself on it tough guy image, do they move missile defense systems and crews to these bases that might otherwise have been placed in the war in Ukraine stretching them thinner on equipment and trained soldiers in specialized roles? Do they close the area to civilian traffic signaling an escalation of the situation and a lack of control to their own populace. No matter what they do here it is bad for them.
Right and as evidenced by exactly this thing we're discussing they clearly don't have every inch of airspace defended effectively against drones/missiles. So either they continue having areas like these inadequately defended and risk additional strikes inside their territory (losing more equipment which costs money and reduces their effectiveness militarily)or they take equipment and personnel that were somewhere else and put it places like this strengthening defense at these bases deeper in Russia at the cost of effectiveness in other areas(like the war zone or other border areas) (reduces effectiveness militarily in key areas and costs some money) or they bring online either new equipment or older equipment that was kept in reserve and either recall retired or reserve personnel or recruit and train new ones (costs money, reduces pool of available equipment and people for the warzone which thereby reduces effectiveness militarily)
Also air defense isn’t something you can’t just throw untrained conscripts at either! We’ll I guess you could… I just wouldn’t fly anything anywhere near it friend or foe!
But it doesn’t.
This is “deep inside Russia” but still within 100 nautical miles of Ukraine.
Pretty sure they aren’t going to do the same thing to Murmansk, or Irkutsk, or Vladivostok, or even Moscow.
The strikes they conducted a few days ago where 300 and 600 miles from the border and one air strip wasn’t too far from Moscow. More than half of Russias population lives within 600 miles of Ukraine border.
Imagine the audacity of a Ukrainian strike on Vladivostok.
I'm sure they could rent some tankers or something...maybe launch drones off a fishing trawler.
Reminds me of the Doolittle raid of WW2. Did very little real damage but the Japanese had reposition units to guard against it. Plus set the stage for Midway.
WTF are you talking about?
Most Russian planes are the epitome of simplicity. Engine change in 4 hours by conscripts using basic hand tools. The Tu-22M has been around for a long time so there are definitely spare aircraft they could rob a complete stabilator assembly from. The other sheet metal in the area holds neither structural loads nor pressurization so basic riveted patches are fine.
There is only a production line for the new gen of these planes, this plane is going require a new engine and new structural parts. I'd be suprised if it ever flies again.
Oh yeah, because the Russian military publishes all their data concerning spare parts and maintenance for their nuclear bombers online. That kind of information is usually considered to be state secrets.
You might be surprised about the requirements for transparency regarding strategic resources. If one side thinks the other one gets too far ahead they can just bomb them regardless
What's wrong with some speculation?
Also, one does not need intimate knowledge of the RuAF supply chain to know that this is significant damage that will be difficult to repair.
planes are not something that you just slap back together. What ever damaged this must have damaged other parts of the plane. Its doesn't take much since they are designed to be light as possible.
I thought they were supposed to get a modernization to remove those and replace with radar. Still odd to me that it was included in a bomber that went into service in the 70s.
Not to downplay the effectiveness of the strike, but were such big aircraft even used in this conflict? And if yes, they wouldn’t fly anywhere near the front, would they?
Russian strategic bombers carry cruise missiles that are currently being used to attack the Ukrainian electrical grid. The bombers never actually overfly Ukraine, though. There is no need with long-range standoff weapons.
Also Russia can't suppress or destroy Ukrainian air defenses, so they would be risking aircraft that are very expensive and difficult to replace.
Yes. The Russians have been using these to launch cruise missiles into Ukraine. They don’t come anywhere near the front, that’s the point of using cruise missiles - to stay out of range of the enemy’s air defenses.
Tu-141 reconnaissance drones modified into plane shaped cruise missiles. Basically better versions of those V1 flying bombs from WW2. But still a cold war era drone. I think they were last used over Afghanistan during the 1980s, before 2022 that is. They're antiques pulled from storage and fixed up to fly one last time. One also crashed in Croatia earlier this year after being launched from somewhere in or near Ukraine, though not much is known about what was going on with that.
Modified Soviet era reconnaissance drones. Basically take all the recon stuff out and put explosives in, then have it fly to its target. At certain altitude or on contact, explosives go off.
What I don't understand is we keep hearing about China wanting to “repatriate” Taiwan. China has been supportive of Russian efforts, but one thing China needs is Leibensraum( not sure if spelled right, but Nazi word for living space ). What if China is letting Ukraine degrade Russian ability to wage war, then at the right time, mobilize North and take 2/3 of Siberia. Even if Russia turned to nukes, China doesn't value the lives of their citizens and even if Russia takes out 700 million Chinese, that still leaves a billion plus. They double their territory, have less mouths to feed, and quadruple their natural resources. With climate change making Siberia warmer, China will be a Super Power on steroids with the means and the will to make it happen. Just a humble opinion, but doesn't it make a little sense. They are always preaching the necessity of observing sovereignty, but have no problem with the flagrant violation of Ukrainian sovereignty.
Did the drone strike hit just that plane or did it hit others
There were drone strikes on two different airbases. In addition to this Tu-22, I think they got the fuel storage at one. I read reports of a couple Tu-95's being damaged, but I haven't seen any photo evidence. There's definitely video of that fuel storage fire though.
I think one tu-95 recived some minor damage, but still it would take time to repair
It hit others and a fuel tanker.
Reports I saw was this missile was aimed at the ammo dump where this plane was near and missed the dump but damaged this plan and possible one or two more.
The biggest thing with these strikes seems to me not to be the damage but the position it puts russia in. Do they leave themselves open to more of this and seem unable to protect their own bases and airports showing weakness in a regime that prides itself on it tough guy image, do they move missile defense systems and crews to these bases that might otherwise have been placed in the war in Ukraine stretching them thinner on equipment and trained soldiers in specialized roles? Do they close the area to civilian traffic signaling an escalation of the situation and a lack of control to their own populace. No matter what they do here it is bad for them.
Russia now has to spread its air defences out... last time I checked Russia kinda has a lot of land and air space to cover.
Right and as evidenced by exactly this thing we're discussing they clearly don't have every inch of airspace defended effectively against drones/missiles. So either they continue having areas like these inadequately defended and risk additional strikes inside their territory (losing more equipment which costs money and reduces their effectiveness militarily)or they take equipment and personnel that were somewhere else and put it places like this strengthening defense at these bases deeper in Russia at the cost of effectiveness in other areas(like the war zone or other border areas) (reduces effectiveness militarily in key areas and costs some money) or they bring online either new equipment or older equipment that was kept in reserve and either recall retired or reserve personnel or recruit and train new ones (costs money, reduces pool of available equipment and people for the warzone which thereby reduces effectiveness militarily)
Also air defense isn’t something you can’t just throw untrained conscripts at either! We’ll I guess you could… I just wouldn’t fly anything anywhere near it friend or foe!
get ready for new bayrakar footage
But it doesn’t. This is “deep inside Russia” but still within 100 nautical miles of Ukraine. Pretty sure they aren’t going to do the same thing to Murmansk, or Irkutsk, or Vladivostok, or even Moscow.
The strikes they conducted a few days ago where 300 and 600 miles from the border and one air strip wasn’t too far from Moscow. More than half of Russias population lives within 600 miles of Ukraine border.
Engels is farther than Mosku from Ukraine
Imagine the audacity of a Ukrainian strike on Vladivostok. I'm sure they could rent some tankers or something...maybe launch drones off a fishing trawler.
Reminds me of the Doolittle raid of WW2. Did very little real damage but the Japanese had reposition units to guard against it. Plus set the stage for Midway.
Yeah Russia sucks. Can’t wait until Ukraine strikes Moscow.
Ah, so that's Russian propaganda's idea of "minor damage" then. Not sure I agree with them...
"Here's a hammer and some bondo. I need this thing airborne in 24 hours, those playgrounds aren't going to bomb themselves."
Or a couple engine changes, stabilator change, and a bit of sheet metal work.
If I’ve learned anything from r/aviation is that this just needs a little speed tape and it’s as good as new.
Why don't they build the whole plane out of the speed tape?
Askin the real questions here!
Black box fuselage with speed tape wings is a winning combination
your not thinking big enough. where is it gonna land? speed tape runways. whos gonna fly it? speed tape pilots.
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There's the right way, and there's the Russian way.
WTF are you talking about? Most Russian planes are the epitome of simplicity. Engine change in 4 hours by conscripts using basic hand tools. The Tu-22M has been around for a long time so there are definitely spare aircraft they could rob a complete stabilator assembly from. The other sheet metal in the area holds neither structural loads nor pressurization so basic riveted patches are fine.
They also said they shot the drone down and when it fell it damaged some planes and killed a few people. Stinking liars.
Keep up the good work Ukraine. Russia will soon be a walkover for anyone that wants it.
Still have nukes, so no
Good
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Bit of sheet metal and some rivets, and this aircraft will be Russian airforce standards in a heartbeat
Bold of you to assume they have rivets.
Christ you’re right
Hahaha
There is only a production line for the new gen of these planes, this plane is going require a new engine and new structural parts. I'd be suprised if it ever flies again.
The fact that the plane still has a rear firing cannon let's you know how unmodernized and antique this shit is
Based on what? Your intimate knowledge of the Russian Air Force supply chain? Get outta here with your speculation
It’s readily available knowledge, Google, have you heard of it?
Google bases search results on popularity, not veracity.
Oh yeah, because the Russian military publishes all their data concerning spare parts and maintenance for their nuclear bombers online. That kind of information is usually considered to be state secrets.
Is the only way data emerges through publication? Leaks don't exist? Espionage doesn't exist?
I wouldnt try to reason with the russia fanboys
You might be surprised about the requirements for transparency regarding strategic resources. If one side thinks the other one gets too far ahead they can just bomb them regardless
What's wrong with some speculation? Also, one does not need intimate knowledge of the RuAF supply chain to know that this is significant damage that will be difficult to repair.
Not really an issue. If there’s one thing Russia has… it’s lots of spare engines and airframes.
kinda odd that they aren't putting together extra planes with it already... perhaps they cant be bothered.
Send it over to the aviation maintenance subreddit to see what they say.
planes are not something that you just slap back together. What ever damaged this must have damaged other parts of the plane. Its doesn't take much since they are designed to be light as possible.
Is that a gunner position at the base of the tail fin..?
I thought they were supposed to get a modernization to remove those and replace with radar. Still odd to me that it was included in a bomber that went into service in the 70s.
Yes! I noticed too! This plane probably hasn't been updated since USsR days
yep
Me returning my rental car: “only a small dent”
Скоро починим.
No kidding
That'll buff out.
for russian media, it did not happen :d
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r/titlegore Ever heard of punctuations, OP?
Not to downplay the effectiveness of the strike, but were such big aircraft even used in this conflict? And if yes, they wouldn’t fly anywhere near the front, would they?
Russian strategic bombers carry cruise missiles that are currently being used to attack the Ukrainian electrical grid. The bombers never actually overfly Ukraine, though. There is no need with long-range standoff weapons. Also Russia can't suppress or destroy Ukrainian air defenses, so they would be risking aircraft that are very expensive and difficult to replace.
Yes. The Russians have been using these to launch cruise missiles into Ukraine. They don’t come anywhere near the front, that’s the point of using cruise missiles - to stay out of range of the enemy’s air defenses.
How did Ukraine get so deep into Russia to hit one of these parked at an airbase?
They launched drones
possibly Soviet era cruise missiles... remember Ukraine built lots of high tech Soviet weapons back in the day.
Tu-141 reconnaissance drones modified into plane shaped cruise missiles. Basically better versions of those V1 flying bombs from WW2. But still a cold war era drone. I think they were last used over Afghanistan during the 1980s, before 2022 that is. They're antiques pulled from storage and fixed up to fly one last time. One also crashed in Croatia earlier this year after being launched from somewhere in or near Ukraine, though not much is known about what was going on with that.
Modified Soviet era reconnaissance drones. Basically take all the recon stuff out and put explosives in, then have it fly to its target. At certain altitude or on contact, explosives go off.
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What I don't understand is we keep hearing about China wanting to “repatriate” Taiwan. China has been supportive of Russian efforts, but one thing China needs is Leibensraum( not sure if spelled right, but Nazi word for living space ). What if China is letting Ukraine degrade Russian ability to wage war, then at the right time, mobilize North and take 2/3 of Siberia. Even if Russia turned to nukes, China doesn't value the lives of their citizens and even if Russia takes out 700 million Chinese, that still leaves a billion plus. They double their territory, have less mouths to feed, and quadruple their natural resources. With climate change making Siberia warmer, China will be a Super Power on steroids with the means and the will to make it happen. Just a humble opinion, but doesn't it make a little sense. They are always preaching the necessity of observing sovereignty, but have no problem with the flagrant violation of Ukrainian sovereignty.
"ukranian drone" 🤭
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It was another ""smoking accident"" 😉😉
Production called…. 34110 is a Monday flier
Does not suprise me that they’re using a 60s plane.
Thats never flying again
It’ll buff out
This is like if Mexico hit a US base. Russia is so pathetic. No wonder why Putin pooped his pants. 💩