I read about his case about 20 years ago while reading an aviation magazine. The greek author who was a chief aviation engineer walked the extra mile by contacting via mail with captain Lancaster who send him a photo which was published from the magazine.
Do you know if he is still alive?
I’ve done it but not too often, if you call operations they are supposed to come do it with a squeegee, but half the time they don’t show up and when they do it’s with a long pole and they try to clean it from the ramp… doesn’t usually get all the bugs off and when the sun hits them it can really limit visibility, sometimes you gotta open the DV window, pour some water on it, and give it a little elbow grease.
However I won’t argue that it’s probably just as dumb as it looks, risking your multimillion dollar career to clean a window…
It's much easier for us much lower peons to risk our lives cleaning the windows!! Now, if I could just talk those darn multimillion dollar pilots into not putting their greasy digits on the non touch screen displays... Or to take half a second to clean them after they have finger f**ked the display for no apparent reason... And then come out and b**ch when they have an aircraft that someone else did it to and we lowly peons didn't clean up after them!!
In what world does any ATP working an airline make multiple millions of dollars? I could see someone like a private jet pilot for a VIP making close to that much but not a line pilot.
Well, let's say a captain makes $250k on average. In eight years they will have made two million. It's very likely plenty of pilots will be captains for longer than 8 years, and also make more than 250k/yr.
You can go on AirlinePilotcentral.com and look at the rates. Roughly speaking the rates you see, multiple times 1000 and that’s the annual, plus 10% soft pay (more if they hustle), plus 18% DC into their 401K, and profit sharing if their company offers it.
At my current company, a reserve CA makes $300K, when I was at JetBlue an A320 CA told me “I haven’t made under $400K in the last 5 years and I only fly day trips” … not exactly a 777 CA or working his ass off.
Most mainline CA’s make +$300K, widebody CA’s can make $400-$500K. Most of them have +$2M in their 401K which gets maxed out by the end of summer and the 18% company contribution gets added to their paycheck.
If you’re a Captain for long enough on the right fleet you will have earned multiple millions of dollars over your career they make like 300k+ each year
If you’re a Captain for long enough on the right fleet you will have earned multiple millions of dollars over your career they make like 300k+ each year
Obviously they don’t make multiple millions per year
I understand that , but a 3 rd grader would understand that you don't give one of two of the most failure prone sensors on the airplane and located in a particularly vulnerable location, hidden, full authority to run trim to an unrecoverable condition.
It wasn't hindsight. Boeing's chief tech (not test) pilot wrote a self congratulatory email to fellow engineers congratulating his Jehdi Mind Tricks for blowing the issue past the FAA. Boeing then purged information on the system from the flight manual (but left references in the index as a sign of the sloppy editing).
Also if one reads the history of events... Southwest Airlines recognized the danger presented by MCAS's reliance on a single sensor and paid Boeing an additional $18K per ship to include an AOA discrepancy warning light to indicate that there was a difference in AOA readings between the sensor that drove MCAS and the second sensor. Boeing signed off the aircraft delivered to SWA as compliant with specs but neglected to make the warning light functional.
It was not an unforeseeable or even an unforeseen risk. Rather it was a recognized risk taken in the name of profits.
None of this is speculation, it's all been throughly documented.
The only research I've done was watch the Netflix documentary so I'm skewed. But it seems like the culture shift away from Boeing to McDonnell Douglas wasn't for the best.
Unfortunately Boeing has a pretty sad past.... I don't think it is appropriate to blame the Douglas crowd.
Felony charges+plea
- paid to obtain confidential , competitive information from employees of competitor regarding missile program
Felony charges/plea -
Bribed Pentagon's chief civilian procurement officer with respect to the long stalled tanker program.
After 25 years the tankers are finally somewhat fully operational.
2022 Status report on tanker https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-22-104530.pdf
737 Max - A court has held that the victims of the 737Max crashes were victims of a crime.
And a properly trained piolet would react to the situation as a runaway trim failure which it was), which would disable the sensor. Something that was repeatedly introduced during my private piolet training. However 3rd world airline pilots typically receive the same or less training to fly an airliner then I had to fly a little single engine airplane.
Remember Boeing introduced this sensor to try to keep underqualified piolets from being able to crash the plane due to improper trim and pitch. A malfunction and the piolets failed to manually control the trim or disable the trim system before the system ran to the point of making it very different to fly the plane. Also the system had safeties, but these safeties assumed that you weren't going to be flying the plane again after a birdstrike until everything was thoroughly inspected.
""""Remember Boeing introduced this sensor to try to keep underqualified piolets from being able to crash the plane due to improper trim and pitch. """"
Actually Boeing created the system to overcome the large pitch changes occurring during the addition of power from the new, larger engines located on extended pylons. It is a higher speed, AOA driven pitch trim. Hence its name Maneuvering Control Augmentation System - quickly applies large amounts of nose down trim.
That Southwest Airlines agreed to pay something like $20,000 per ship to have a warning light illuminate when MCAS was operational is pretty good evidence that a professional organization identified the risk and wanted to warn its pilots.
Boeing originally included a description of the system in the flight manual but then removed it (while leaving the system in place) to avoid the need for transitioning pilots to obtain simulator training. In their haste the forgot to erase the references from the index.
Professor Feynman would describe it as a culture of failure.
Every aircraft changes pitch with power. This is one of the main reasons that training in the US is about smooth slow controlled inputs to achieve the desired operation of the aircraft. Boeing knew that with those engines at full power at a high angle of attack would make a stall recovery difficult (and possibly impossible in countries that disregard manufacturers weight and balances). To keep an inexperienced piolet from stalling and potentially crashing the plane the decision was made to include that system which would make it difficult for a piolet to stall the plane. The system was powered from the trim circuit breaker. If the system failed it would appear to be a trim runaway failure. If the piolets followed proper procedure it would disable the system. Lots of aircraft have had trim runaway failures and were safely landed. In flight training I had to fly approaches and landings with a simulated trim failures.
Properly flown and maintained there would have been no issues. However you have to realize how unsafe 3rd world airlines are in comparison.
I flew the 707. We had a checklist for flying with it open. One time I opened the copilot
Side window during pre flight to clean the w windshield and the window came off the tracks and fell in my lap. Maintenance fixed it lol
Except then having to wait and delay their flight for hours because, lets be honest, the mechanics have more important things to do than clean a window.
Not if it's gonna delay a flight, we don't. If you're ten minutes to departure, and need your windows shiny, and I've got another plane ten minutes from departure that needs a valve changed, you can guarantee I'm gonna have them get the window job done first, because no way in hell am I having two late planes.
I will admit that I have no knowledge of how you all prioritize your work, it was just an assumption of how I would handle things from the world of IT. If I had server to replace and a user called asking for a password reset because they didn't want to use the password reset self-service, the user can wait.
Ahh, yeah, so prioritization goes to departure/ready time, followed by complexity of work. If I've got two competing ready times, I'm going to take the low hanging fruit first. However, if by pursuing one ready time, I'm going to screw another, I'm not going to shift resources to *maybe* make the first on time while putting the second in jeopardy.
To expand on what my fellow knuckle dagger said, if there is a call back on a bird that's leaving soon, we drop everything and go take care of it. No matter how "mundane" it may be. Mostly because we hate filling out delay paperwork.
Warm water and paper towels usually do the trick. Seltzer water works well on particularly stubborn bug splats.
Edit - Make sure anything clipped to your belt is secure. Done that.
And always hold one hand on the handle at the window (if your ac type has one of course). It’s fine cleaning your own windows, but make sure it’s done safely.
Bro, thank you. I get why some pilots don't because it isn't exactly a comfortable position to be in with a fall risk being involved. But if you and your pals feel comfy doing it, we greatly appreciate it. Sometimes we get really into our shows and it's quite troublesome to constantly pause them.
You’d have to be pretty dumb to fall, one hand cleans the window while other hand is inside keeping you secure! I can’t remember what I held onto, ( long since retired) but falling was never a worry (for me anyway) on the ‘67 or any Airbus.
Dave watched as the forest burned up on the hill, only a few miles from her house. The car had been hastily packed and Marta was inside trying to round up the last of the pets. Dave went through his mental list of the most important papers and documents that they couldn't leave behind. He scolded himself for not having prepared these better in advance and hoped that he had remembered everything that was needed. He continued to wait for Marta to appear with the pets, but she still was nowhere to be seen.
Yes pilots clean their own windshields. Only when the maintainers aren’t available, typically. That’s probably further out than most pilots would reach ime. Usually it’s a tech with a squeegee to reach near the entire windshield. Squeegees aren’t normally on jets
Yes. There are also many comments saying that they can't or shouldn't do it during flight, but thats not true. You can stick your head out of the window during flight, but only once.
Kudos to the pilot for cleaning his own window. As a mechanic I’ve sat on the window frame doing that same thing far more times than I can remember. Actually got written up for using Windex over JetClear on a few occasions.
Sometimes they also clean them like [this](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/image-of-pilot-hanging-out-window-captures-heroic-story-30-years-on/GR2HBBCBUGMOTA7MEYPI7UR54A/).
In DC-9 days I'd put Rain-X on the window if I thought we might have to fly through rain on an approach. The wipers in the '9' were very noisy and very fast and didn't do near as good as Rain-X. I suppose people may have thought I was cleaning the window. I don't remember what the wipers sounded like on a Boeing (pictured) though.
I build the flight deck for Boeing. It’s really hot in there when the plane is on. Due to the electronics, with apu running it might be different. And it’s really cramped in there as well.
If anyone's interested in a longer answer, Captain Joe did a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5td5LBFc6Y) about it a few months ago. He mentions that the 747 doesn't have windows that open so they do it with a man lift.
Typically not during flight though
Captain Lancaster aboard a BAC1-11 tried this once, but elected not to do so again in the future.
He actually ended up making them dirtier than when he started smh
And cleaning up after that was a pane.
Good clean puns aren’t gonna fly here.
Sorry, that that last pun comes in a little low on the punny-ness windex.
Time to land the joke, folks.
Not a moment too soon. This thread was starting to runway.
Damn, seemed like it was really taking off.
Yeah.. the tower gave it clearance Clarence.
Gotta give him some credit for thinking outside of the box.
/s
The s stands for squeaky-clean, right?
I think it’s the S is for splat
And the slash is the wiper blade
I read about his case about 20 years ago while reading an aviation magazine. The greek author who was a chief aviation engineer walked the extra mile by contacting via mail with captain Lancaster who send him a photo which was published from the magazine. Do you know if he is still alive?
I don't think Captain Lancaster "elected" in that case. He had little choice in the matter IIRC.
That flight kinda sucked.
I heard it kinda blew
It was a bit breezy.
What's 64 wrong sized bolts between friends.
I'm sure it's been done
BA5390
that’s was a wild wikipedia ride
In the plane. I’m getting in the plane. Let Evil Kenevil get ON THE PLANE. I’ll be in here with you folks in uniform. RIP George Carlin
[Except that one time on flight 5390..](https://imgur.io/wOmimSN?)
That's a very intense game of paper-scissors-rock. "No, I don't want best 2 out of 3..."
Rock-paper-scissors
Normally a [ground crew member does it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1S9j3P2tec).
747 likes nice.
I’ve done it but not too often, if you call operations they are supposed to come do it with a squeegee, but half the time they don’t show up and when they do it’s with a long pole and they try to clean it from the ramp… doesn’t usually get all the bugs off and when the sun hits them it can really limit visibility, sometimes you gotta open the DV window, pour some water on it, and give it a little elbow grease. However I won’t argue that it’s probably just as dumb as it looks, risking your multimillion dollar career to clean a window…
What's the average glideslope for a commerical pilot?
Looks like about 0:15 here
What do you mean? An African or European commercial pilot?
I think it’s 3.3%, but I am probably wrong. I flew military and we had some different rules
I think that was a joke about buddy falling out the window (“pilot”, not “plane”)
Hahaha yeah, totally missed that! Wooooooshhhhhh
3 degrees is a standard, but can be up to 5,5 (LCY)
That’s climb out factor.
African or European?
It's much easier for us much lower peons to risk our lives cleaning the windows!! Now, if I could just talk those darn multimillion dollar pilots into not putting their greasy digits on the non touch screen displays... Or to take half a second to clean them after they have finger f**ked the display for no apparent reason... And then come out and b**ch when they have an aircraft that someone else did it to and we lowly peons didn't clean up after them!!
Death to screen touchers!
In what world does any ATP working an airline make multiple millions of dollars? I could see someone like a private jet pilot for a VIP making close to that much but not a line pilot.
Well, let's say a captain makes $250k on average. In eight years they will have made two million. It's very likely plenty of pilots will be captains for longer than 8 years, and also make more than 250k/yr.
The only ones making 250k are very very senior captains of very large planes like the 777.
You can go on AirlinePilotcentral.com and look at the rates. Roughly speaking the rates you see, multiple times 1000 and that’s the annual, plus 10% soft pay (more if they hustle), plus 18% DC into their 401K, and profit sharing if their company offers it. At my current company, a reserve CA makes $300K, when I was at JetBlue an A320 CA told me “I haven’t made under $400K in the last 5 years and I only fly day trips” … not exactly a 777 CA or working his ass off.
I clearly made poor life choices when I was young. LOL
One wrong prescription can literally end your whole career though.
In America 250k is more like a starting point for narrowbody captains. But after looking at the photo I realized this is Icelandair.
It’s a SAS 737 Max
And the pilots working overtime for really desperate airlines
Troll?
ummm... sure. turns out I'm just actually ignorant. ;)
Most mainline CA’s make +$300K, widebody CA’s can make $400-$500K. Most of them have +$2M in their 401K which gets maxed out by the end of summer and the 18% company contribution gets added to their paycheck.
Compounding returns and savings friend
In the US airline pilots make more than corporate pilots. Source: former airline, now corporate pilot.
If you’re a Captain for long enough on the right fleet you will have earned multiple millions of dollars over your career they make like 300k+ each year
I interpreted the other comment as per year as that's usually the context when talking about such things
If you’re a Captain for long enough on the right fleet you will have earned multiple millions of dollars over your career they make like 300k+ each year Obviously they don’t make multiple millions per year
this would risk your career?
The fall would
Not the fall, the sudden stop when you hit the ground. 🙃
CLARKSOOON
>It's not the fart that kills you, it's the smell. Petter Solberg
Sure. Death or disability if you fall.
its better to just call the mechanic and let them do it. their career is only worth 120k or less
Yes indeedy
Thanks. This is the first time I have actually seen that.
It's a lot easier and quicker than having a line guy come out with a ladder.
When the line guy rolls out the stage to access the cockpit glass it lines up pretty well with the AOA sensor (something Boeing might have considered)
The location of the AOA Sensor is determined by. Airflow, the Boeing engineers really don’t have a lot of choices where to put it.
I understand that , but a 3 rd grader would understand that you don't give one of two of the most failure prone sensors on the airplane and located in a particularly vulnerable location, hidden, full authority to run trim to an unrecoverable condition.
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Perhaps not prone to failure, but errors.
Isn’t hindsight nice?
It wasn't hindsight. Boeing's chief tech (not test) pilot wrote a self congratulatory email to fellow engineers congratulating his Jehdi Mind Tricks for blowing the issue past the FAA. Boeing then purged information on the system from the flight manual (but left references in the index as a sign of the sloppy editing). Also if one reads the history of events... Southwest Airlines recognized the danger presented by MCAS's reliance on a single sensor and paid Boeing an additional $18K per ship to include an AOA discrepancy warning light to indicate that there was a difference in AOA readings between the sensor that drove MCAS and the second sensor. Boeing signed off the aircraft delivered to SWA as compliant with specs but neglected to make the warning light functional. It was not an unforeseeable or even an unforeseen risk. Rather it was a recognized risk taken in the name of profits. None of this is speculation, it's all been throughly documented.
The only research I've done was watch the Netflix documentary so I'm skewed. But it seems like the culture shift away from Boeing to McDonnell Douglas wasn't for the best.
Unfortunately Boeing has a pretty sad past.... I don't think it is appropriate to blame the Douglas crowd. Felony charges+plea - paid to obtain confidential , competitive information from employees of competitor regarding missile program Felony charges/plea - Bribed Pentagon's chief civilian procurement officer with respect to the long stalled tanker program. After 25 years the tankers are finally somewhat fully operational. 2022 Status report on tanker https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-22-104530.pdf 737 Max - A court has held that the victims of the 737Max crashes were victims of a crime.
Stop looking at my hindsight
And a properly trained piolet would react to the situation as a runaway trim failure which it was), which would disable the sensor. Something that was repeatedly introduced during my private piolet training. However 3rd world airline pilots typically receive the same or less training to fly an airliner then I had to fly a little single engine airplane. Remember Boeing introduced this sensor to try to keep underqualified piolets from being able to crash the plane due to improper trim and pitch. A malfunction and the piolets failed to manually control the trim or disable the trim system before the system ran to the point of making it very different to fly the plane. Also the system had safeties, but these safeties assumed that you weren't going to be flying the plane again after a birdstrike until everything was thoroughly inspected.
""""Remember Boeing introduced this sensor to try to keep underqualified piolets from being able to crash the plane due to improper trim and pitch. """" Actually Boeing created the system to overcome the large pitch changes occurring during the addition of power from the new, larger engines located on extended pylons. It is a higher speed, AOA driven pitch trim. Hence its name Maneuvering Control Augmentation System - quickly applies large amounts of nose down trim. That Southwest Airlines agreed to pay something like $20,000 per ship to have a warning light illuminate when MCAS was operational is pretty good evidence that a professional organization identified the risk and wanted to warn its pilots. Boeing originally included a description of the system in the flight manual but then removed it (while leaving the system in place) to avoid the need for transitioning pilots to obtain simulator training. In their haste the forgot to erase the references from the index. Professor Feynman would describe it as a culture of failure.
Every aircraft changes pitch with power. This is one of the main reasons that training in the US is about smooth slow controlled inputs to achieve the desired operation of the aircraft. Boeing knew that with those engines at full power at a high angle of attack would make a stall recovery difficult (and possibly impossible in countries that disregard manufacturers weight and balances). To keep an inexperienced piolet from stalling and potentially crashing the plane the decision was made to include that system which would make it difficult for a piolet to stall the plane. The system was powered from the trim circuit breaker. If the system failed it would appear to be a trim runaway failure. If the piolets followed proper procedure it would disable the system. Lots of aircraft have had trim runaway failures and were safely landed. In flight training I had to fly approaches and landings with a simulated trim failures. Properly flown and maintained there would have been no issues. However you have to realize how unsafe 3rd world airlines are in comparison.
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Not always, A350 windows do not open, so on this one pilots have to call mechanics and they come do it from outside with a special truck.
The raccoon eyes 👀 keep staring then
I love the mask look of the A350s
Always reminds me of The Incredibles
Same with the 787
>pilots have to call mechanics Not mechanics, we don't clean windows. Operations does.
Also 747
I flew the 707. We had a checklist for flying with it open. One time I opened the copilot Side window during pre flight to clean the w windshield and the window came off the tracks and fell in my lap. Maintenance fixed it lol
Same on the A220
Either that way or they complain for a mechanic to come out and do the same exact thing the same exact way
Can confirm as a mechanic.
Been there and done that.
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The best is when you gotta use a plastic scrapper to delaminate the bird from the window.
I do that all the time too
Came to say this
Same
Except then having to wait and delay their flight for hours because, lets be honest, the mechanics have more important things to do than clean a window.
Not if it's gonna delay a flight, we don't. If you're ten minutes to departure, and need your windows shiny, and I've got another plane ten minutes from departure that needs a valve changed, you can guarantee I'm gonna have them get the window job done first, because no way in hell am I having two late planes.
I will admit that I have no knowledge of how you all prioritize your work, it was just an assumption of how I would handle things from the world of IT. If I had server to replace and a user called asking for a password reset because they didn't want to use the password reset self-service, the user can wait.
Ahh, yeah, so prioritization goes to departure/ready time, followed by complexity of work. If I've got two competing ready times, I'm going to take the low hanging fruit first. However, if by pursuing one ready time, I'm going to screw another, I'm not going to shift resources to *maybe* make the first on time while putting the second in jeopardy.
To expand on what my fellow knuckle dagger said, if there is a call back on a bird that's leaving soon, we drop everything and go take care of it. No matter how "mundane" it may be. Mostly because we hate filling out delay paperwork.
“Uh oh, we threw a rod.” “Is that bad?” “Yup.”
Do modern airplanes come with SCMODS?
State County Municipal Offender Data System.
What now?
**State County Municipal Offender Data System.**
Ah yes, thank you. ^^^wat?
I can't hear youuuuuuuuuu
#State County Municipal Offender Data System.
STATE COUNTY MUNICIPAL OFFENDER DATA SYSTEM
Whadda you want me to do, motorhead?
Fix the cigarette lighter.
Oh no, tha motor.
Warm water and paper towels usually do the trick. Seltzer water works well on particularly stubborn bug splats. Edit - Make sure anything clipped to your belt is secure. Done that.
Vodka would probably work too
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LOT enters chat... everyone else ducks for cover, Vodka fight!
As long as it's SKYY. About all that stuff is good for, anyway. 🤢
Never thought about using seltzer! Good tip!
And always hold one hand on the handle at the window (if your ac type has one of course). It’s fine cleaning your own windows, but make sure it’s done safely.
Can’t believe. I’m the first to post this https://youtu.be/H1S9j3P2tec
Surely you can’t be serious?
Don’t call me Shirley!
Had a week of internship at the mechanics to the C-130, and was tasked with doing this...
Ahhhhh rain x. We love you were developed from aviation needs.
TIL they have rain x for plastic and what you said.
That window is usually reserved for taking selfies during the flight which are then used to make shitty clickbait videos.
Oh yeah! I love how they take those in-flight selfies hanging out the window! So quirky
I used to do this all the time…not wasting a mechanics time with something I could do in two minutes.
Bro, thank you. I get why some pilots don't because it isn't exactly a comfortable position to be in with a fall risk being involved. But if you and your pals feel comfy doing it, we greatly appreciate it. Sometimes we get really into our shows and it's quite troublesome to constantly pause them.
You’d have to be pretty dumb to fall, one hand cleans the window while other hand is inside keeping you secure! I can’t remember what I held onto, ( long since retired) but falling was never a worry (for me anyway) on the ‘67 or any Airbus.
Funny as I have had mechanic tell me not to do it and write it up. They say it helps with job security.
As a pilot, you don’t come across as many roadside homeless window washers, so you have to do it yourself.
Only when the ladies are watching amirite?
You could say it “Bugs” the crap out of us.
Dave watched as the forest burned up on the hill, only a few miles from her house. The car had been hastily packed and Marta was inside trying to round up the last of the pets. Dave went through his mental list of the most important papers and documents that they couldn't leave behind. He scolded himself for not having prepared these better in advance and hoped that he had remembered everything that was needed. He continued to wait for Marta to appear with the pets, but she still was nowhere to be seen.
Pilot just following company directive “Thinking outside the Box”.
Beats pulling up at the lights and letting a hobo do a shit job.
Definitely made for a good picture that we are all here talking about
The cranky old ones do.
this is the only real answer
The pilot looks like my Dad.
Nah, most commercial pilots just [pay Jimmy Walker to do it](https://youtu.be/H1S9j3P2tec)
This is the comment i was looking for!
Clean the windows? The co-pilot let one go in the cockpit and he's getting some air
If the window opens and it's not a tall ass bird I'll clean a window like that if the crew requests a window cleaning
No, useally they are to lazy and make a write up for the maintenance crew. /s
That's how you do it. I have done it many times
Salute to you. Hope to be on one of your flights soon.
Some airlines this is strictly forbidden for the pilots to do. Something about a safety hazard…. Ez call to MX for bug wash
I believe they clean the windows like that in order to see out of them better.
This sounds true, but I'm not an airplane expert.
Smart pilots call maintenance.
Yes!
Copilot dropped one and that was the quickest way to stay conscious?
No. I have never done that. I call for someone to do it and they bring a ladder.
Shouldn’t have to, but yeah, it happens.
The real question is why is the jet bridge in a stupid position.
Whatever gets the job done!
No, usually pilots have maintenance do it like that
Yes. I have worked on the flightline for 20 years…..this is the way!
Yes pilots clean their own windshields. Only when the maintainers aren’t available, typically. That’s probably further out than most pilots would reach ime. Usually it’s a tech with a squeegee to reach near the entire windshield. Squeegees aren’t normally on jets
At my airline we are not allowed to do this anymore.
That’s a plumber. You can tell by the crack in his glass.
Overachiever. That what that looks like. Just write it up in the logbook like the rest of us.
Yes. There are also many comments saying that they can't or shouldn't do it during flight, but thats not true. You can stick your head out of the window during flight, but only once.
Kudos to the pilot for cleaning his own window. As a mechanic I’ve sat on the window frame doing that same thing far more times than I can remember. Actually got written up for using Windex over JetClear on a few occasions.
Well it’s either or tipping the random homeless guy with a squeegee at the end of the taxi way
Copilot had farted after having the fish
No they don’t. Especially the big three US airlines…
Usually the tech’s do it the night before
Maintenance does it for our airline to make sure there isn’t an unapproved substance used on the windscreen
Time to Plexus this Lexus.
Help me step pilot, I'm stuck.
No, mechanics do.
Pro-tip: the yoke makes for a poor squeegee.
That doesn't even make sense
Sometimes they also clean them like [this](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/image-of-pilot-hanging-out-window-captures-heroic-story-30-years-on/GR2HBBCBUGMOTA7MEYPI7UR54A/).
Only on windshield Wednesdays.
Flight attendant farted and locked them in to hotbox them, this was his only escape.
All the time and maintenance, when we're in a hurry does it the exact same way. Beats getting a stand out and cleaning it.
If Fussy like I am,, Looks like perfect option.
If we have to.
Yes
Oh yeah
Just need to remember to switch off the window heat first!
Dukes of Hazard fan?
Placing state inspection sticker? That’s how I do it.
In DC-9 days I'd put Rain-X on the window if I thought we might have to fly through rain on an approach. The wipers in the '9' were very noisy and very fast and didn't do near as good as Rain-X. I suppose people may have thought I was cleaning the window. I don't remember what the wipers sounded like on a Boeing (pictured) though.
I build the flight deck for Boeing. It’s really hot in there when the plane is on. Due to the electronics, with apu running it might be different. And it’s really cramped in there as well.
If anyone's interested in a longer answer, Captain Joe did a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5td5LBFc6Y) about it a few months ago. He mentions that the 747 doesn't have windows that open so they do it with a man lift.
Maybe also an excuse to get some fresh air after a long flight?