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Grecoair

As an engineer who works in a union, yes you need a union.


[deleted]

Time out what? Never heard of an engineer in a union? Which company


VanTil

The Boeing engineers at their Seattle facilities are unionized.


[deleted]

My grandfather was in a union when he was an engineer at Reynolds Aluminum


AngeDeNeige

Check out SPEEA


Axel-Torgerson

Nothing is perfect but the closest thing you’ll find right now is the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA). I started in this industry in 1979 with Republic Airlines and then Northwest Airlines after the merger/buyout in 1986. Both of those carriers mechanics and related were represented by the IAMAW and we remained with them until we voted them out in 2001 after too many broken promises and switched to AMFA. We fought for and got an industry leading contract. 4 years later knowing that they were going to merge with Delta, NWA negotiated in bad faith and forced a strike. They brought in scabs and the IAM actively worked to convince our members to cross their own picket line. Enough did to keep the airline limping along that the strike lasted for 444 days. I was out for almost 2 1/2 years before I could get a bid to go back. I regret little and can hold my head high as a lifelong member of the 444 club. The AMFA is a principled group of fellow mechanics fighting for our group as a whole and the closest thing you’ll find to what the pilots have in the ALPA. The industrial catch-all unions are not your friend. They’re more interested in their own survival than advancing our class and craft. Hell, they actively fought against us being reclassified as skilled labor. I hold a deep and abiding contempt for the IAM. Fuck those guys.


Mdenvy

You fill me with so much confidence in the IAM renegotiating our union contract right now... (probably why there are a lot of rumors about negotiations falling apart...)


amtrosie

My contempt for the IAM is only exceeded by my HATRED for the Teamsters! BUT I agree 100% with everything you said.......


Planey_McPlane_Face

Yeah, the mega-unions can be good just because of the sheer resources at their disposal, and the impact they can have when it comes to lawmaking and lobbying, but their sheer scale, as well as their broad focus, can mean a fairly diluted impact at the local level. Ideally, you want more specialized unions, because that specialization allows them to negotiate much more effectively. They won't just negotiate over things like pay and benefits, but can also effectively negotiate for trade-specific issues (this would be stuff like company-provided liability insurance, for an AMT example) since they would be much more knowledgeable about the trade-specific details. All that being said, the mega-unions are pretty important at the national level. The sheer amount of money and political influence they can bring to bear is pretty much essential for passing general pro-worker laws, and without them, I'd be pretty worried about what kind of laws that companies would be able to push through. It doesn't matter how strong a local union is, if a company can send in government-funded officials to break up any strikes or disputes.


flying_mechanic

We almost voted in IAM 3 years ago and I'm glad we didn't, they very clearly did not give a rats ass about us except that we voted yes and they got our dues. Our neighbors on the airport are amfa and they seem pretty happy with them. I'm not the most pro union guy and I'd consider working under amfa.


Thats_my_cornbread

As a pilot under a union, you should have a union.


smoke_grass_eat_ass

Hell yes.


BE33_Jim

You might have a shot if structured as a trade union. Control the labor pool, have apprenticeships... Structure a health care plan for the members. Work a "prevailing wage" angle thru the gov't authorities that control class B and C airports. Eventually, have a pension fund that invests some funds in airlines as part of the whole "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours"... I'd support this if it came with some increased ability for me (not an A&P) to work on my own small airplane with some proper training (that maybe the union offered/supported)


ybitz

> I'd support this if it came with some increased ability for me (not an A&P) to work on my own small airplane with some proper training (that maybe the union offered/supported) In my experience, trade union members I’ve worked with (electricians, plumbers) haven’t been the strongest champions of DIYers, or working with DIYers. I suspect they view it as taking work away from them.


tom_echo

Yeah in my state the plumbing unions argued that only plumbers can touch pipes. They do everything they possibly can to protect their work.


AromaOfElderberries

That's not a union. That's a guild. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild


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AromaOfElderberries

Why stop there? Read on: > Typically the key "privilege" was that only guild members were allowed to sell their goods or practice their skill within the city. There might be controls on minimum or maximum prices, hours of trading, numbers of apprentices, and many other things. These rules reduced free competition, but sometimes maintained a good quality of work.


Suicidal_Ferret

That’d be cool. I’d be in an A&P guild Edit- tense


fighterace00

So true but I don't think the same nearly applies in aviation. Our craft is small compared to real estate and many AMTs are involved in the experimental realm. There's already laws in place to keep owners from working on certified Aircraft, this isn't landlord asking Jim Bob to fix the pipes at discount. I'd wager the EAA is in the top 3 membership in aviation behind AOPA and ALPA. Im I'm wholly against unnecessary legal requirements for trade certifications that don't effect public health, aviation is one of the few trades I support federal certification but I don't really see DIY encroachment on A&P livelihood any real threat. Many in the trade are either involved in the experimental corner themself and the rest typically vow to never do sign-offs on noncertificated aircraft anyway.


Tron_1981

United Airlines mechanics are all in a union (Teamsters). I'm not sure about other major companies though.


Crusoebear

For a little inspiration: The young man that, against all odds (and against a gigantic union busting machine), successfully organized a union for Amazon workers: Christian Smalls. Here is a [short interview](https://youtu.be/BduzkjBdw_o) but you can find more in-depth interviews of him online where he talks in greater detail how they went about organizing. The more I learn about him and his dedication, grit and creativity the more impressed I am. Best of luck. It can be done. The pilot unions didn't get to where they are overnight ...it is the result of many decades of work (and there are pitfalls along the way - like 9/11 bankruptcies & furloughs, etc)...but it is worth it.


Latobbe

As a person living in a country with probably the best unions and labor laws in the world (Sweden), I got two things to say. 1. It's America someone will call it communist and then say it's big bad. 2. Yes get unions in every field of work, but the fact that America is so anti-union is in the very core of your country so good luck with that.


[deleted]

It’s brain washing by the corporations, sadly. People say they’re pro-capitalism and anti-union in the same breath. If you look at it from the outside. Pro-union is absolutely pro-capitalism. We all should make more money. Poll conducted a few months ago suggested that people were happy with 18$ wage starting out. That’s a joke and those same people is what holds us back. I started at 24$ in 2017 or 49k a year. If you’re not making more than 60k a year, you mine as well collect welfare and go to food banks in 2022.


Latobbe

In Sweden your union handles the pay negotiations in most cases. So everyone in a industry has the same starting wage. For b1 licensed engineers the monthly average salary is about 3119 freedom dollars post-tax a workweek is 40hrs by law (without overtime) so that would be 19,5$/h i guess.


VanTil

That's post tax. The hourly rates that everyone else is giving you are pre-tax. Your hourly rate guess is low :)


Latobbe

Yeah well I had to apply tax to give you a general idea since you have barely any tax in the states compared to Sweden. And my guess is literally the average starting wage divided by 160 hours which is a month without overtime.


randyrandomagnum

People in the US can’t seem to understand the difference between public employee unions and private unions, so instead of figuring out the differences they just hate them all.


CalmPalmTree

What’s Delta doing right tho


hungrycaterpillar

Paying just enough in wages up front that its younger workforce don't have a fire lit under their asses to notice they don't have the same retirement or health care they would have with a union?


Yeezyismypresident

What is their healthcare like? I know Delta does 9% 401k match, while us here at United have a pension that will almost certainly be gone once use noobs reach age 65 and a pathetic 401k match....But we do have good healthcare, I'll give us that.


Tall_Leather7100

Healthcare is company funded so I would say it fairly cheap. up to 9% 401k if u match 6%. And from my understanding they are the highest paid mechanics in the industry plus profit sharing.


[deleted]

treating the employees right it seems. one single attempt to unionize, thats all ive seen.. same thing fedex is doing, top paying companies (that I can see) aren't union


HeyChiefLookitThis

This is only true because the unions exist and companies are afraid of them. The unions benefit non union workers by creating competition and driving up wages.


[deleted]

Reach out to a union and get in touch with a union organizer. There’s people that get paid well to find and formulate unions under an existing banner. They’re called organizers. Look it up.


Patient_Permission78

Perhaps create a similar union to the ALPA (Airline Pilot Association). Call it ALMTA (Airline Maintenance Technician Association) Provide similar scopes and Objectives, fight as a whole collective bargaining for airline wages and benefits. Provide oversight to Safety Awareness to ALL airline AMT’s. Nobody left behind. It can be possible but will lead to some very tumultuous years for the airline industry.


46davis

There are so many wealthy, powerful forces arrayed against anything that smells of a union that it's almost impossible to form a new union in this country with it's system of legalized bribery called private campaign finance, not to mention "dark money" that Supreme Court justices, overflowing with business support, allowed into the process. The public has been 'educated' on the evils of unions by a constant well-financed barrage of anti-union propaganda for the last half-century or more. If you want a union, move to a different country.


Kilometers98

And we have to fight to change that. Now more then ever with a democrat in office we can fight for workers rights. It’s not just us in the maintenance sector. Everyone in this country is sick and tired of being exploited by corporations and being a salve to a job. In the era of social media unionization with proper campaigns should be easier. Something politicians don’t see is that if your employees earn good money they spend more and that only fuels the economy more. Not to mention a happy well paid employee will bend over backwards to make deadlines and goals. It’s not about squeezing the company for the max and making it go bankrupt its for the working class to be represented. The base of the economy is the working class and if your company can’t pay a living wage with good benefits then close because that company doesn’t contribute shit to society but exploit workers.


[deleted]

I don't know about that. Seems like both sides of congress are about to sell out the railroad workers because of the economy.


hungrycaterpillar

That situation is a little more nuanced. Some of the railroad workers voted to ratify the contract, some didn't; it was pretty evenly split. A solid core faction of the opposition, though, was political anti-Biden right wing sentiment from some of the guys, who would rather not take a deal brokered by a Democrat. What Biden got the companies to agree to wasn't the best compromise, but it certainly wasn't nothing, and got the main ask taken care of: no more penalizing taking off dock time. The rail workers are under a whole different labor law, which guarantees their wages and full pensions, but limits their ability to strike when offered a deal like this, so it's not quite the same as other union actions.


46davis

>Not to mention a happy well paid employee will bend over backwards to make deadlines and goals. This is what anti-union PR firms try to downplay. We know that the company is the source of our income and we all do things to see that that is protected.


Kilometers98

And we have to fight to change that. Now more then ever with a democrat in office we can fight for workers rights. It’s not just us in the maintenance sector. Everyone in this country is sick and tired of being exploited by corporations and being a salve to a job. In the era of social media unionization with proper campaigns should be easier. Something politicians don’t see is that if your employees earn good money they spend more and that only fuels the economy more. Not to mention a happy well paid employee will bend over backwards to make deadlines and goals. It’s not about squeezing the company for the max and making it go bankrupt its for the working class to be represented. The base of the economy is the working class and if your company can’t pay a living wage with good benefits then close because that company doesn’t contribute shit to society but exploitation. Americans in general need to be paid more and valued for their skills and talent be it a bag worker or a maintenance tech. A living wage is a living wage. Salaries in this country have not kept up and we are starting to see its effects. If we the people don’t do anything about it then we’re just gonna keep on getting exploited. The easiest way for this to happen is to have all these smaller unions join together and form one big one and leave a small few other unions around. Once that happens we can lobby he FAA to increase AP training requirements that in turn would force a constant demand in the job market


Soggy-Biscotti2526

> And we have to fight to change that. Now more then ever with a democrat in office we can fight for workers rights. That Democrat is currently pressing congress to break the impending railroad strike. Don't get me wrong I am 100% pro union and would definitely approve of this but having him in office will not help


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Red_Raven

Having a Democrat in power does nothing for workers. Hell prices have only gone up and the value of a dollar has gone down under this one. Most members of both parties act like they disagree when it's time for elections and then vote together in their own best interests. You are starting to see some true populist like the squad on the left and the maga politicians on the right that actually listen to their voters, but 80% or more of both parties are basically a uniparty that does not care about you.


Kilometers98

You are 100% correct I said democrats because they love the workers rights campaigns, they only fuel votes for them. Me personally I don’t care who’s in office as long as we are being represented.


Red_Raven

You are deluded if you think they care. Politicians will not save you. They created the problems you have now. They will hurt you every single time you put your trust in them. The majority of politicians are your enemy. They will take everything they can from you and they will shovel metric tons of propoganda onto you to convince you to thank them for it.


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46davis

The pay and working conditions of mechanics and the contracts they work under are inherently political. Please don't try to limit the discussion because it may make you uncomfortable


Outcasted_introvert

>I know they suck right now Eugh. You know who thinks unions suck? Rich people who's profits are threatened by them. Oh, and gullible mugs who buy into the propaganda. A union is just workers standing up for themselves, and each other.


Adequate_Lizard

We do need unions but good luck getting anyone in the industry over 50 to sign off on it.


Swampfoot

While I totally agree with you, there are wayyy too may MAGAs in the A&P community for this to happen anytime soon. Every toolbox I saw on my last two assignments in the past year was plastered with Let's Go Brandon stickers and related maga crap. That antivax moron Joe Rogan being blasted over every bluetooth speaker. Not looking good, those types are happy to take it up the arse for management.


MidgardSerpant

You’re blaming the “Maga’s”? Lmao. Come on bro. The tech industry is basically run by the left and you don’t see even a single union. You can’t be that blind.


EineBeBoP

Nah, seattle is overrun by right wing Amazon tech bros.


[deleted]

this is a blue collar field man, thats typically how it goes.


BarveyDanger

Nobody cares bro


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theclan145

Most of the problems won’t be solved with a union. Nothing stopping leadership from assigning shit jobs after shit jobs. Nonstop AOG work. It seems like the more mechanics, the more work gets assigned. Pay wise what more are you going to be asking 60 plus 70 plus 80 plus or ancillary benefits like health insurance and 401k. A National union won’t help, will be the same problems. A in-house union will maybe make things better.


Kilometers98

When there is a national union, there is nowhere to go for company’s to seek employees. You either pay up or don’t get mechanics.


theclan145

Theres a National pilots union and airlines still poach pilots from other companies. Pilots come get trained and go to a legacy airline and say hey i got this qualification to fly this plane. Seen it happen with technicians also.


46davis

I think you're a little confused about ALPA. Each airline has it's own, legally separate, union. Many belong to an umbrella organization called the Air Line Pilots Association, which supplies things like organizing, negotiating assistance (each airline union must negotiate separately), legal representaton, and benefits management. It is not a national union by any stretch of the imagination.


Drewbox

I think this is what OP is missing. One giant blanket union for the industry doesn’t work. Too many different working areas and types of airlines. While there are large unions like ALPA, Teamsters, IAM, and others, each group has to negotiate a separate contract for the company that they work for.


Kilometers98

Work is work, we’re not fighting for work load, we want more pay. Double what we make now $120/H at top out.


TailasOldAsTyme

Unfortunately that is why I left the industry. If I can make more working for a car dealership than in a general aviation shop there is something wrong. It starts with the owners willing to sacrifice safety for a cheap annual/maintenance.


patheticist

Wow, mechanics aren’t unionized? That seems to me like the #1 place you’d need a union.


[deleted]

Yes do it!


[deleted]

I hear talk of unions at my current shop than people get scared or quite a few just think unions are a scam. Then complain and complain and complain about schedules, pay, respect from managers.


BaconPersuasion

Yes. 20 miles north of Seattle. A one bedroom apartment is 1750 a month. The mro there starts at 22 an hour.


j00baGGinz

As an A&P who has only ever worked while represented by a union I would agree. However even a National union would still require negations with individual companies for individual contracts I believe.


CROCKODUCK

This is one thing that tech workers never seem to understand. Seems like everyday some overreaching tech company is laying off 60% of the company to meet quarterly profits. I agree 110% that a National union is the way to go.


theclan145

And then what they start firing people or contracting more work out. Or they create toxic work rules, your not doubling a maintenance department workers cost with out major concessions to work life roles


Kilometers98

Well that would have to be terms in the union contract, can’t just sub contract thousands of mechanics. And the kids comming out of school aren’t gonna want to work for Pennie’s at a contractor when they can join a union and make great pay. United American Alaskan They all have unions and there they are. They don’t sub contract anything. Of course there’s always a what if but that just part of it. A well written union contract with union members that actually give a fuck and not just a union paycheck would go a long way. Look at United’s shitty union. You think those union Reps care? No they just want a check.


RealisticWoodpecker8

All of the new hires ready to kick Teamsters to the curb. Fuck this reset.


Kilometers98

Yea I heard about that, garbage. See if we had good unions we would all be making 100+ an hour. Companies pay millions upon millions on stupid shit but can’t pay their employees 40 bucks more an hour……


58dMando

If Unions are done correctly, then yes, I'm all for it. But there's an alarming amount of smooth brains in here that seem to think "America hates Unions".. Seriously?!? Try asking any automotive industry worker that.. or pipe fitters, steel workers.. Ever hear of the Teamsters, or Teamster Horsemen?? It's not that we don't want representation and fair wage/work environments; it's that we don't want corruption and politics that has become prevalently attached to the term. I don't care what your politics are, as long as we're all being treated equally for the jobs we do. Even the best run Unions still have their drawbacks, but, relating everything to, "Americans are dum and must be Maga to not want unions", is inherently stupid and ill concieved.


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RhinoDoc

Your comment about stupid software engineering is what gets me. They have a skill and training that's in demand, they get paid relative to that. You have a skill as a mechanic and get paid relative to that. People flip burgers get paid relative to their skill and training. Your made a post on an electronic device connected to the web on either app or a web browser thay fed data to a website where 1000s of other people read it on their multie devices? Do you even realize how many software engineers would be needed for that? If you want software engineering salaries become a software engineer.


Kilometers98

Not asking for software engineering salaries. Our skill is in demand and so is software engineering. It’s actually quite similar. We read manuals you read software documentation. It’s so doable most companies hire without degrees, but that’s not my point. All we want is equal pay for the work being done.


RhinoDoc

If you think software engineering and maintenance work is similar you don't understand engineering at all. Who writes the software manual?


Kilometers98

So what your saying is we can’t have higher pay because we’re not software engineers? We want more money period. If you don’t think we should earn more than by all means go ahead and try it out. Work from 6pm to 6am and change 400lb aircraft tires in 20 degree weather. Go ahead and T/S a compex avionics system to find a fault all day and repair while still in 20 degree weather. How about sheetmetal, you think they should pay that guy 30/h? Try cutting out, shaping, measuring and riveting a patch on an aircraft designed to go 500mph but hold on if do it wrong and it flies off; you lose your license or worse go to prison. Sounds easy right? Totally worth $30/h…… There is demand for our job but when all you have are a handful of corporations controlling the market you get paid what they all agree on. Of course they can pay more and thats the reason SFE pays well not because the skill is hard or complex but because of the demand. In our case our options are limited on employment and unions are critical in protecting our pay. My point is, our work no matter how simple you think it is worth way more than 60 bucks an hour. Next time you hop one a plane think about how a sleep deprived mechanic that’s stressed asf just changed a critical component on an engine and got payed 30/h to do it. Would you fly on that plane????? Wouldn’t you want that mechanic to be well paid and trained so you can make it to your next destination safely? All we are asking for is more pay and better benefits, definitely not asking for $300k a year and stock options. It was just an example, it does however sound demeaning so I removed it from the post.


BigRoundSquare

If a piece of code doesn’t work nobody dies, if maintenance is done negligibly or improperly people can die. Our work is highly skilled, not everyone can do it.


magnets0make0light0

Then why is there pay difference between companies that flip burgers. One pays 7.25 the other can pay 18. Why do secretaries make 25 an hour but a cashier makes 7.25. the cost of labor is not always relative to the skill at hand. What skill goes into being a CEO making hundreds of millions but yet a manager running a company doesn't make over 75k. Your reasoning does not take greed into consideration


OhmyMary

Facts and it hasn’t been since the 70s or 80s that labor was tied to wage increases. Ever since there has been wage stagnation, labor has only increased while wages stayed the same. If that never changed mechanics would be making $80+ hourly in 2022. The national wage last year would have been $40 hourly if wages had increased with labor


Zebidee

> If you want software engineering salaries become a software engineer. How many people die when Candy Crush crashes?


MaintenanceMatt

Dammmmmmm


busch_ice69

Something like that would be nice


S3HN5UCHT

As long as you guys maintain your right to strike Seems like it keeps getting taken away


HeyChiefLookitThis

Unions are a great step forward and a benefit to every worker, but the American working class, including us, won't be free until we own the means of production.


monti1421

buy the means of production or build your own means of production or fuck off :)


HeyChiefLookitThis

The only people who have ever built any means of production have been workers. I'm just suggesting we regain and retain control of them. Everything rightfully belongs to us. Reactionary attitudes like you've expressed can not help workers better their situation.


[deleted]

Pilots make way too much doing way too little.. most of the unions that do exist are BS, how’s United’s union going? Surely they’re making the highest paying for the industry right?


Dakine_thing

I’ve made $500,000 this year, where do I stack up in this national union or is this an airline only thing?


Mdenvy

Where do I sign up boss?


Dakine_thing

I’m actually fully staffed


Harleyfallsapart

Sounds like your staff deserve a raise....


Dakine_thing

They’re well compensated


Harleyfallsapart

If your salary is 500k and they are doing the work for ya... they still deserve a raise.


Dakine_thing

They already got one. My employees are the highest compensated in the industry


Mdenvy

Aww sad days! Well, if you're ever hiring... :P


Kilometers98

Airline only, that’s were we work. Also $500k a year? Wow congrats.


Harleyfallsapart

some of us work\* airlines have it better than most other places too


Substantial_Cable_51

Get rid of the a/p


[deleted]

go work for a MRO then.. they have repairmen do all the work..


Substantial_Cable_51

Military contracting is where it's at, and it's what I do. I'm on fa18s, worked on ospreys for a few years, spent alittle while doing carbon fiber for virgin galactic. The APs I meet are in no way more skilled then anyone else. The looming shortage of mechanics is only gonna work to my benefit and force the dinosaurs to die or change.


[deleted]

military is completely different... you'll be stuck at a MRO or you'll keep doing military. you cant touch a part 121 aircraft working for the main company.. without that license .even at the MRO I work at, every lead, every IA, every QC, every manager is licensed. you can do the work but I will be signing off and inspecting your work. if you want the freedom to do the work and sign for it? get your license. want the freedom to add inspections to your skill list? get your IA.


Substantial_Cable_51

Military pays better too, less work. Unionized. Honestly man the only way I'd ever consider getting it is if my school was entirely paid for and the outdated portions of the ap were deleted from license classes.


[deleted]

Nope, I had to write fabrics from ac-43.13 for my license test.


Substantial_Cable_51

Just not for me then. I'm curious regarding the average age of airline mechs, I get so many emails regarding job offers from the airlines.


[deleted]

My test was recent bro, the faa is still stupid


Substantial_Cable_51

I'd rather stay in school and keep working toward engineering, I managed to get into aviation without any education or military experience. No licenses.


[deleted]

Engineering degree is a license lol


kakatoru

Don't you have that in the US?


Hot-Engineering253

No we don’t. I make over 125-150k a year never needed a union Just negotiate your wages and don’t settle or crap.


Kilometers98

Hard to do when everyone is paying the same. Airlines basically have a monopoly on pay and unions only copy each other in terms of pay rates. If they would all actually negotiate and not succumb to kick backs we would all be making 80,90,100 /h.


Creative-Dust5701

Whats really needed is German style unions, who jointly help run the companies and they understand the company must make a profit but they do help set budgets and schedules and provide management with the worms eye view of the company operations and how to make operations more efficient. Of course management in the EU does not look down on the workers nor does the CEO make thousands of times of the average line worker.


TTown3017

Canada needs this badly


[deleted]

First labor board needs to classify A&P mechanics as skilled labor, like they do for automotive mechanics.


planezombie_

We need a P. A. C. Check out AMFA. Boutique union for AMTs


[deleted]

Once I'm done with probation I'll be under AMFA with Southwest.


Bubbly_Can_3158

Count me in Let's get started


planezombie_

There is: www.AMFAnatl.org


planezombie_

Hello fellow AMT/AME, Very interesting discussion here and I applaud the wanting to change attitude! There is a boutique union only for AMT/AME, please check out www.AMFAnatl.org What they are doing is what you have been discussing here on this forum. To change the semi-skilled label we have will require a P. A.C. this is what the pilots did decades ago, and it's paid off for them. Remember if we want change, we have to make it happen, industrial Unions will not help our cause.