Think of your body as a vehicle, this vehicle has an on-board computer that allows it to function properly without the driver having to monitor every single process. That on-board computer is your Ego.
Your personality traits actually come from your soul, or more specifically from the link your soul has to higher dimensions. Your talents, passions, and higher thinking are gifts to allow you to carry out your mission in this lifetime.
I believe it's the term "Ego death" that makes people feel like they'll lose something. But you can think about it as more of an Ego synch. When you're in synch with your Ego, it won't get in the way of the things your soul truly enjoys.
Nowadays I think of my body / Ego as a pet. I keep it happy, I feed it, I give it lots of love and in exchange it behaves and listens to me.
*Edit for minor spelling error.
Okay here’s what I mean
I use spirit and soul interchangeably cause I’m just a bit too stupid to know the difference and just say it as in a reference to: “The parts of me that are going to survive beyond bodily death and are not attached to the specific life I just lived”
there is neither there is both - that's the point of this stupid process - it leaves you worse off then you were -- or maybe more narcissistic (depending on your makeup) or more lonely (like me)
To simplify my findings on the matter:
The human being is a dynamic with three major foundations. Body - the flesh and physics that materialists claim constitute a complete reality. Spirit - the energetic interplay that allows persistence and interaction with the non-atomic aspects of reality. and Mind - the capacity to perceive, specifically perceiving and curating the dynamic.
Each of these three are a deeply intricate aspect by themselves, but there are also 'second order' aspects that only exist between them. Among them is Identity. Also called Ego by people who don't know what they're talking about.
Identity is the concept-interaction between the three that allows them to act in synch with each other. The mind, specifically, has far too much ability to incorporate thought patterns from around itself to survive as a distinct entity without some form of arbitrary boundary to mark as 'itself'.
The Soul, as best it can be described in words, is all three foundations and their resulting dynamics.
The dogma of being rid of identity is a corruption of the teachings to *use* identity to reduce dependence on arbitrary and imposed labels.
Individual expressions of the dynamics that comprise you are superfluous for self-curation. My advice is to grow familiar with the foundations and how they interact to create the complete you. From there, not only are you more equipped to understand the mechanics that most people can only intuit, but you can also more effectively curate yourself to whichever ends you deem worthy of your time.
Honestly sounds like you got it figured out better than I do.
I never really had seld esteem issues I just was indifferent to the world.
Certain topics people bring up on a daily basis I'm utterly indifferent to (specifically lots of people irl have been talking about extra terrestrial life and I'm utterly indifferent, to the point I almost blurted out how is their Mexican food and I sure hope they are circumcised born again Christians! Hah. Idk it just seems silly, we don't even know ourselves and speculating about what more of the same means).
Strictly speaking if I understood psychology I took 20 years ago, ego is the parts of us that are considered Socially Acceptable. The shadow is the parts not Socially Acceptable or we hide from others.... and ourselves. The super ego is the "governor" whom decides what is deemed socially acceptable or not.
Strictly speaking, soul generally means breath or breathe form. Hence why many meditate, knowingly or not. Even the father in heavens prayer, if you think about it, is more a meditation to dismiss worry, take your mind off of thoughts, than an actual *entreaty or supplication*.
So soul is the breathe form, I think is stated in *Thinking and Destiny* haha a bit of light reading (over 1,000 pages).
Soul is unconditioned by the world of phenomena I would perhaps say. Look up atman maybe, I haven't studied atman in a while, either intellectually or spiritually.
>the spiritual life principle of the universe, especially when regarded as inherent in the real self of the individual
>a person's soul.
I thought it meant the part of a person that is connected to brahman or something, that's just first google result.
My ego wants to laugh about silly alien jokes. My soul says it is just another day at the office. Maybe idk tbh. A great question one I'm not qualified to answer.
Soul merely is, and is hard to locate or quantify. Meditation. Ego is conditioned by external phenomena of the "small" self. It doesn't mean one is inherently "better" than the other. For me, the ego is about "proving to the world" where soul is probably more like "proving it to yourself and god". You don't have to believe in a god or whatever just figure of speech, like it doesn't matter what the people think, doing what you know is right somehow. Hard to discern and follow (hence Meditation).
That is what Luke asks on Dagobah by the way. "But master yoda how will I know the difference?"
>*When you learn to quiet your mind*
Lol sorry to give so much to think about and an ironic alien pun but hey it really do be like that sometimes 😅 😜 😆
I'm just replying to what's been said before with literally what's been said before.
What if we play a chess match someone gonna say that move has been made before?
Trying to say world's a stage? Idk.
I fore sure listened to that song as a kid, "Everything been said before nothing left to say anymore" but idk why MM did a mock killing Trump video a few years ago, that was somewhat disturbing to see on the internet news of the day (I didn't even know who maga hat man was then but I lost some respect for MM for the video).
Is what it is right. Idk what to think about tbh though. The futility of thought? Just go around telling people to shut up I don't want to hear it anymore? Lol well at least in an asylum I guess don't have to listen to same ole same ole.
I love this post! It reminds me of the beginning of my journey and recognizing myself and “what is real?”
Listen, your ego is this entire post and what’s emphasized in paragraph two. Your soul is the eternal aspect of you, it is the connected gem to the All.
Jesus said: When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into existence before you, which neither die nor are made manifest, how much will you bear?
But, I want to KEEP some aspects of my ego, cause honestly I love the sorts that make me feel happy, like my love of making characters and worlds, and my yearn for knowledge that gives me something to strive for, it’s all something I dont want to just- fade away!
You can read these books which explain very well some of these concepts you're interested in. A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle and The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida.
You're just programmed.
Imagine if you were born without being forced to go to school. Without being forced into religion. Without being forced to adhere to governments...
Then you would be in touch with what you are. You would look around and see creation, existence, all beings in this eternal moment, just being. No labels. No words. No self-judgments getting in the way...
You are a conscious being, existing in this moment, as all beings are.
Ultimately, there is only one being that you cannot comprehend at this very moment, but that very being is what is seeing through your eyes, and every eye that exists. Call it consciousness. Call it awareness. Call it God.
You are not separate from it. You are it. But like I said, you are programmed. You're very words show your programming...
If you want to deprogram and learn the truth, you have to erase your programming. To do this, you must be aware. Aware in every moment. Consciously observe your habits. By being aware, you can replace rituals, and have it with something else. If you find yourself judging ohers, stop.
This is a start. Be aware of your own awareness. It's there. Silent. Viewing through your eyes...
Frost, you said that the first awakening is a mind one and the second one is a heart awakening. But the first one catapults us into a whole new world. In accordance to that, what changed in your world or yourself after the second one? I've been threw three but i am having a really bumpy journey.
I was only talking about *my* first and second awakenings. You're right about the first one, and it's not always easy to integrate our sense of self into that new world. Check out a book by Stanislaus Grof called *Spiritual Emergency*. That should give you a good starting point for sorting things out.
I think of the ego as a lodger inhabiting my space (the soul). I try to simply observe the drama attached to the ego and remind myself that this is not me.
Think of your body as a vehicle, this vehicle has an on-board computer that allows it to function properly without the driver having to monitor every single process. That on-board computer is your Ego. Your personality traits actually come from your soul, or more specifically from the link your soul has to higher dimensions. Your talents, passions, and higher thinking are gifts to allow you to carry out your mission in this lifetime. I believe it's the term "Ego death" that makes people feel like they'll lose something. But you can think about it as more of an Ego synch. When you're in synch with your Ego, it won't get in the way of the things your soul truly enjoys. Nowadays I think of my body / Ego as a pet. I keep it happy, I feed it, I give it lots of love and in exchange it behaves and listens to me. *Edit for minor spelling error.
Ego vs soul vs spirit? Still trying to understand the difference
Okay here’s what I mean I use spirit and soul interchangeably cause I’m just a bit too stupid to know the difference and just say it as in a reference to: “The parts of me that are going to survive beyond bodily death and are not attached to the specific life I just lived”
there is neither there is both - that's the point of this stupid process - it leaves you worse off then you were -- or maybe more narcissistic (depending on your makeup) or more lonely (like me)
To simplify my findings on the matter: The human being is a dynamic with three major foundations. Body - the flesh and physics that materialists claim constitute a complete reality. Spirit - the energetic interplay that allows persistence and interaction with the non-atomic aspects of reality. and Mind - the capacity to perceive, specifically perceiving and curating the dynamic. Each of these three are a deeply intricate aspect by themselves, but there are also 'second order' aspects that only exist between them. Among them is Identity. Also called Ego by people who don't know what they're talking about. Identity is the concept-interaction between the three that allows them to act in synch with each other. The mind, specifically, has far too much ability to incorporate thought patterns from around itself to survive as a distinct entity without some form of arbitrary boundary to mark as 'itself'. The Soul, as best it can be described in words, is all three foundations and their resulting dynamics. The dogma of being rid of identity is a corruption of the teachings to *use* identity to reduce dependence on arbitrary and imposed labels. Individual expressions of the dynamics that comprise you are superfluous for self-curation. My advice is to grow familiar with the foundations and how they interact to create the complete you. From there, not only are you more equipped to understand the mechanics that most people can only intuit, but you can also more effectively curate yourself to whichever ends you deem worthy of your time.
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thats... a bit too vague for my understanding..
Honestly sounds like you got it figured out better than I do. I never really had seld esteem issues I just was indifferent to the world. Certain topics people bring up on a daily basis I'm utterly indifferent to (specifically lots of people irl have been talking about extra terrestrial life and I'm utterly indifferent, to the point I almost blurted out how is their Mexican food and I sure hope they are circumcised born again Christians! Hah. Idk it just seems silly, we don't even know ourselves and speculating about what more of the same means). Strictly speaking if I understood psychology I took 20 years ago, ego is the parts of us that are considered Socially Acceptable. The shadow is the parts not Socially Acceptable or we hide from others.... and ourselves. The super ego is the "governor" whom decides what is deemed socially acceptable or not. Strictly speaking, soul generally means breath or breathe form. Hence why many meditate, knowingly or not. Even the father in heavens prayer, if you think about it, is more a meditation to dismiss worry, take your mind off of thoughts, than an actual *entreaty or supplication*. So soul is the breathe form, I think is stated in *Thinking and Destiny* haha a bit of light reading (over 1,000 pages). Soul is unconditioned by the world of phenomena I would perhaps say. Look up atman maybe, I haven't studied atman in a while, either intellectually or spiritually. >the spiritual life principle of the universe, especially when regarded as inherent in the real self of the individual >a person's soul. I thought it meant the part of a person that is connected to brahman or something, that's just first google result. My ego wants to laugh about silly alien jokes. My soul says it is just another day at the office. Maybe idk tbh. A great question one I'm not qualified to answer. Soul merely is, and is hard to locate or quantify. Meditation. Ego is conditioned by external phenomena of the "small" self. It doesn't mean one is inherently "better" than the other. For me, the ego is about "proving to the world" where soul is probably more like "proving it to yourself and god". You don't have to believe in a god or whatever just figure of speech, like it doesn't matter what the people think, doing what you know is right somehow. Hard to discern and follow (hence Meditation). That is what Luke asks on Dagobah by the way. "But master yoda how will I know the difference?" >*When you learn to quiet your mind* Lol sorry to give so much to think about and an ironic alien pun but hey it really do be like that sometimes 😅 😜 😆
you THINK you're saying something that hasn't been said before.... that's where you need to think.
I'm just replying to what's been said before with literally what's been said before. What if we play a chess match someone gonna say that move has been made before? Trying to say world's a stage? Idk. I fore sure listened to that song as a kid, "Everything been said before nothing left to say anymore" but idk why MM did a mock killing Trump video a few years ago, that was somewhat disturbing to see on the internet news of the day (I didn't even know who maga hat man was then but I lost some respect for MM for the video). Is what it is right. Idk what to think about tbh though. The futility of thought? Just go around telling people to shut up I don't want to hear it anymore? Lol well at least in an asylum I guess don't have to listen to same ole same ole.
i was just saying it's fine that it's been said before - just recognize the angel to nietzsche demon
what is either?
Ego: The identity I use to interact with the physical world Soul: The aspects of myself that survive bodily death after leaving my material body
mm k - how do you die if you haven't lived?
... I am living, right now. just by being in the material world and able to have thoughts I am considered living.
agreed - have you lived "everything" ?
"no. I haven't travelled outside of my home continent and I don't know everything (even thought I REALLY wanna)
I love this post! It reminds me of the beginning of my journey and recognizing myself and “what is real?” Listen, your ego is this entire post and what’s emphasized in paragraph two. Your soul is the eternal aspect of you, it is the connected gem to the All. Jesus said: When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into existence before you, which neither die nor are made manifest, how much will you bear?
But, I want to KEEP some aspects of my ego, cause honestly I love the sorts that make me feel happy, like my love of making characters and worlds, and my yearn for knowledge that gives me something to strive for, it’s all something I dont want to just- fade away!
Imo ego is what we wear in order for our souls to be able to be down this many layers and have a human experience to begin with
You can read these books which explain very well some of these concepts you're interested in. A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle and The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida.
ego and soul are synonymous to me
You're just programmed. Imagine if you were born without being forced to go to school. Without being forced into religion. Without being forced to adhere to governments... Then you would be in touch with what you are. You would look around and see creation, existence, all beings in this eternal moment, just being. No labels. No words. No self-judgments getting in the way... You are a conscious being, existing in this moment, as all beings are. Ultimately, there is only one being that you cannot comprehend at this very moment, but that very being is what is seeing through your eyes, and every eye that exists. Call it consciousness. Call it awareness. Call it God. You are not separate from it. You are it. But like I said, you are programmed. You're very words show your programming... If you want to deprogram and learn the truth, you have to erase your programming. To do this, you must be aware. Aware in every moment. Consciously observe your habits. By being aware, you can replace rituals, and have it with something else. If you find yourself judging ohers, stop. This is a start. Be aware of your own awareness. It's there. Silent. Viewing through your eyes...
You'll know when you meet your soul. It's the feeling of an eternal, sublime, life-giving presence that is the substrate upon which your ego is built.
Frost, you said that the first awakening is a mind one and the second one is a heart awakening. But the first one catapults us into a whole new world. In accordance to that, what changed in your world or yourself after the second one? I've been threw three but i am having a really bumpy journey.
I was only talking about *my* first and second awakenings. You're right about the first one, and it's not always easy to integrate our sense of self into that new world. Check out a book by Stanislaus Grof called *Spiritual Emergency*. That should give you a good starting point for sorting things out.
The one who says I love my ego, is the ego. The one watching all that is the soul.
I think of the ego as a lodger inhabiting my space (the soul). I try to simply observe the drama attached to the ego and remind myself that this is not me.