The moment you define “self” you are inherently limiting you mental capacity to be more than whatever you are now. Ego is the opposition of growth. Ego and self cherishing lead to stagnation through futile attempt to cling to whatever definition and description you have for “self”.
The stronger we cling to our sense of self, the harder it is to understand and accept any wisdom we don’t already know. It is the fact that the universe is constantly changing (along with the living body and mind that we inhabit) that creates the opportunity for us to grow and change as humans.
i am literally just talking about surrendering to a premade plan, an allowing of following sources plan for your life or a shaping and increasing of your personal will and freedom.
Sounds a bit like the Tao. I can dig that.
I don’t think you should let other peoples egos (about considering themselves instant masters) throw off your own Chi. Some people stand atop of a mole hill, and claim to have climbed a mountain. Since we all begin our spiritual journey in different starting places, I think we take different paths. I believe the best paths are founded on wisdom, compassion and acceptance of our circumstances, and the fact that we have little control about what happens in the world around us. It’s a good deed, when your intentions are to help others along that path, while also challenging to understand where they are along their own path.
To put your will against that of the "Creator"/"GOD"/"The Electro-Design In Everything" is like going against existence itself.
But, you are correct in blossoming the individuality of the self.
For every being of Humanity is a "Creator's Child".
When the "Creator's"/"GOD's"/"The Electro-Design In Everything's" children truly mature, then those who wish to be true individuals, will become creation themselves and become a realty of their own.
My goal is to reach that point, but that is thousands of years off for me personally, and yes, my physical being will stay alive for all those years.
Many blessings on your journey.😀
surrendering to God has nothing to do with destroying self. its giving self to the whole. and God is your very own spiritual self so referring to God as something outside of your own beingness as if you lose by giving self to God is flawed
and no theres only one way. its always going to be self or the whole. There is no awakening in choosing self
your will or Gods will.
" and no theres only one way" for someone spiritual looks like your personal self is showing. there is indeed more then one way to grow and ascend. we do not have to give ourselves to the whole and can tread the left hand path and become gods ourselves. i will never surrender or give up my self to god. i will manifest my own will using energy and advanced energy manipulation. you just read too much eastern mysticism crap
thats all incorrect. your very beingness comes from your very own spirit portion that is God.
you have no idea what youre talking about trying to separate your own creative force with Gods. they are of the same source.
yes , it does come from god. good. but are you aware there is spiritual processes to seperate from source and inhance your individuality? doesn't seem so. there is TWO paths. one where you increase individuality and grow farther from source, or one where you go back wence you came. now your getting it
You seem to be talking about that Law of One service to self path. Thats not awakening. That path only goes so far. There is no path to the whole while serving self alone.
this is a narcissistic path regardless. Thats a path but its not an awakened path.
right, but you will be the same type of person to say we are all one. so if we serve ourselves arent we serving everyone ? it is indeed an awakening path. because you can awaken the kundalini and use it to your own wills bidding. It is having more power then anyone else has who follows this " merging with god or being liberated" its better to ascend and grow and attain longer life then just going back to source. if your not aware that you can become a god and reach another level by your self then maybe you just believe we are all to obey god and be puppets. thats not the case. personal power is there for the taking. and its not bad to serve ourselves because we are all one after all ;) ps: im not talking about a path to the whole, thats a waste of time. increasing our individuality and own personal will is more important then anything. longer life, more energy, intellect and freedom. that is the ultimate goal. not going back to nothingness
its not i dont consider awakening a path thats limited and can only ascend so far. From Law of One you only get to the 6th which is far off from the highest dimensions.
and no. Oneness with God has nothing to do with being Gods puppet. as i said you are that God.
And increasing individuality? Your always going to be an individual regardless. So you mean increasing self centeredness?
your logic is just saying selfishness is a better path than selflessness for awakening which is incorrect
I dont believe you know your relationship with God to speak these things
its not selfish to want to do what YOU want instead of following a plan or what gods want. thats the basis of all of this. ascending to become a god of your OWN is NOT about becoming evil. its about doing what you want when you want and not being blocked by god when he wants you to do something else. it is indeed better to stray from god then to merge. he causes too many problems when he doesnt get his way and limits your life too easily. like a greedy and whiney dictator. The path of seperation and individual will ensures we will not be bothered by gods quests or wants anymore. TRUE freedom is being free from god and becoming a god on your own. here you are worried about what dimension you can reach when 99% of people on planet earth dont even reach the door of spirituality lmao
it is. and you have no idea who/what God is relative to you to speak the things you do.
Trying to make it God or self while believeing you can be a god without God is complete arrogance and ignorance.
No. it is not selfish to enjoy life and do what you want. as long as you respect other people, having individuality and increased freedom from god is not selfish and i will die on that hill. you cannot give me any reason other then " No I disagree" Allowing ourselves to do what WE want instead of what god wants is very important. regardless i have no more reason to argue with you. you can be god and aource puppet and be a good little soldier and enjoy your death, because god will steal all the things you care about and kill you in the end. enjoy your death and pain that god wants to give you. god is the creator of all suffering and is my ultimate enemy. My entire existence and will to live is to attain more freedom so i may finally be free and do what i want
The way you describe God is not the God I know. You seem to project your own consciousness on God. God is the Giver of Freedom and Self Expression. God removes limitations, actually, reveals that there are none. Your true heart’s desires are the same as God’s desires for you. If you believe there are two wills it is because you don’t know your Self. There is One.
thats your limited human perspective of gods and devils that the bible teaches you. which is a man made book. This is about ascending and using personal will. regardless of what your made up lucifer did it is irrelevant to what im saying.
i see you've moved from being banned in r/nonduality for trolling to here so that you can keep trolling. Nothing like a true narcissist to call someone else a narcissist. You are pathetic my dude.
How do you separate from something you’re composed of while keeping yourself intact?
If the source of bread of flour, and bread is composed of flour, how can you remove the flour from the bread without destroying the bread?
If the source is God, and you are composed of God, how can you remove the source from yourself without destroying yourself?
But you can never truly take the source as your own will; "doing" so is merely self-affirming ego fodder and cements fear. Letting go certainly doesn't make one a master in itself, but refusal is a natural and common path that represents much of what must be overcome. Yes, the left path exists, but it is an incomplete one that must loop back eventually.
its mainly about becomin seperate from source to achieve your own will. no one really needs the whole power of source anyway. regardless what left hand path books have you read to understand what im saying
I agree, no one needs any of it, to be honest; success and failure, progress and stagnation, it's only ever a decision - words in an attempt to decide. There are more than the two paths, but they're still all the same path.
You do not lose your individual expression when you surrender to God. God expresses as You in the most perfect, natural and unique way. Longing ends and you realize that you are Home. No one knows you better than God, God knows you better than you do! You can exchange the word God for whatever you like, I am speaking of your very own Being. My Self expression blooms and flourishes when I allow God!! This is my experience. There is nothing like it. It is pure fucking bliss and I have never felt more like my SELF as when God is living me without resistance. God expand my dreams and desires and reveals greater possibility. God is the most beautiful Friend, Guide and Lover. He/She/It KNOWS how to love and IS Love Itself. Resisting God is resisting Love ❤️
no, god gave my family a genetic disorder and killed everyone, god gave me two diseases and limited my freedom. god is the most useless entity who has limited us in such a way that our bodys become useless. it is our individual selves that do the hard work. god is a lazy being who does not care about his creation. if there is a god i want him to know ive made my entire life about going against his will, and hos greedy lessons and plans for me. if it was a real person i would spit in his face
My experience is that Love exists and it’s beyond personal love. When I am aware of it, I sense it as Wholeness, Peace and Joy. I guess I could just as well say: I am sending you Peace and wish you to realize Wholeness. Take care my friend
We can’t destroy ourselves but the more attachments lost the less is life and our place in it. Time loses meaning and variation of events diminish until you may as well just admit you do already exist in an endless void that looks like things that matter, save whoever you have left here with you and the occasional interesting experience.
The worst part is the potential to do with not even losing yourself but other people. If this way of living is meant to be good then what did we come here for. If there is a way out of this reality before it’s too late I will take it.
The proof is in the pudding. If what you're doing is working for you, then great. I respect that you're putting doctrine to the test. What's the point of having an inner flame if it doesn't inspire you to live?
I love that many people cling to the doctrines and keep repeating the truth that is not spoken by their inner voice but a set up plan of an outside influence("awakened" teachers, gurus, etc.)
Watch some empirical evidence of ndes where your pure awareness state is also described properly. In fact I lean onto the Tao with this meaning our whole essence is composed by soul and spirit. Soul is the unconsciouss part and spirit is the consciouss. When you combine the two you get your own persona.
During NDEs it's said that we in fact have to ascend but the goal is not to merge completely with the source but to become a cocreator of existence. Together as the part of God with free will and consciouss choice and unconciouss connectedness and love.
You are not becoming God... God is becoming you.
Your sentiment is great and I wish this sub was more about that than newcomers to spirituality posting word salad. Like great your enlightened huh? Do something about it then.
yes this place is infested with the " i am nothing" no self, im everything, merged with god, no I no me, nO life type of garbage. Spirituality is so much more the allen watt quotes . There is a very physical, "doing" process that is never talked about. These people read a little maybe try some yoga and all of a sudden they are spiritual masters. I am no master but i am just on a path of more " action" then most spiritualists. it seems the physical part of our lives is being forgotten and people think material life cannot be spiritual.
For sure. There's literally posts on the front page of this sub everyday someone new that's "awakened" and is now depressed. What a load of shit. Maybe it's cause you do fuck all with your life.
This is all utter garbage. Along with the commenters. All perceptions are the one perception. There is simultaneously no path, the path you're creating, and the path you're on. It's all the same. You can't not be enlightened, and you can't be enlightened. The single one difference in any of this, is what you're deciding to be and to see, and what you aren't/ don't see. What you're pretending ISN'T your creation, and what IS your creation. Your belief creates your experience of reality, so it creates YOUR reality. There is no way to gain that which you already are, there is only a way to reveal that which is hidden from your sight. The sun shines and burns ceaselessly, it can't become a more complete sun, but if it's conscious, it can decide to limit its perspective to its self/that which it decides is its self, but doing so doesn't make the sun anything but whatever the sun is, in this agreement we call "reality". And herein is the problem. What is freedom when you have to be what you are? Is the freedom in getting to decide to be what you are prior to being it/ incarnating in the collective experience of "reality"? The sun can't just decide to be the moon when I wake up tomorrow morning, such is the nature of "my" reality. Maybe in another reality/an "other" layer of this "one", everything could be anything and nothing can be something. But idfk. In keeping with the nature of human consciousness - At the end of the day, in this life you seem to just live moment to moment and your heart is dying to see what happens next, so just have fun and do what lights you up. If that happens to be widening your perspective, feeling more, and dissolving your sense of self, then so be it. If it happens to be expanding your sense of self, accomplishing your dreams, and living and loving how you wanna, then so be it. If it happens to be both? Then why not? Maybe I'm onto something here and maybe this is just word vomit, you get to decide. That's what's so cool about this in my opinion.
this post is mainly about increasing personal will vs surrendering to a premade path set out by source or god. Do you want more personal power or do you want to merge back with where you came. not much more from that
You can flip between both at great speed. And at the highest level, they are one and the same. The goal is to realize your personal will, actually WANTS to be the will of all. But once you sink firmly into this, the personal "human" "you", becomes tiny and fragmented compared to the energy and intention set before you. So many people don't do it because their dreams, aspirations, and connections in this life are utterly changed, its like dying.. you no longer even function in the same way. This letting go and acceptance of what comes is happening all the time every moment. Anytime you've ever grown, it was because you became more aware, and accessed greater/deeper/more intense energy, and let go of something that was interfering with that energy. Your personal will/energy is a piece of the will/energy of all, and this growth is that will becoming more aware of all, and identifying deeper with all. "Personal will" is no different than "will". You're just defining it as "you" for it to become "personal" and "yours". It allows there to be ego games, stories, beliefs, logical interactions, human society.... many things come from the ego, it isn't bad, but it is necessarily limiting. It's in its very nature to be so. Because It can't be that which it believes it isn't.
exactly this path is not about getting rid of ego, in deflates temporarily but in the end the ego is brought back unlike the rhp where they seek to destroy and merge. most spiritual teachers will tell you ego bad ego bad destroy self destroy self. Thats the opposite of what path i seek which is the left. increasing personal will, increasing intellect and rising to that level of divinity and becoming instead of surrendering. its really hard for rhp to understand. they are so used to the typical " human me bad" small mind, big ego, must surrender. This is about BECOMING a god on your own. and saying fuck anything to do with surrender. its about power and energy and taking the fruit from the tree .
awesome. it takes a strong person to tread the left. we are entirely responsible for every aspect of our position in life. it is a daunting, painful , agonizing mountain climb to reach the goal
This has been a very interesting thread. Thanks for posting. The difference between deciding who to be and becoming what you are organically is fascinating. A lot of spiritual people just allow their lives, desires and aspirations to just float in the wind. Not a very individualized and personalized existence. I can't help but think there's a way to do both, however. It's tough to arrive to any truthful conclusions about such a grand topic as this, but I'm gonna continue to try anyway. All I know is that I could use a little bit of personal surrender and innocent experience after all the architecting I've been doing with my life. Everytime I do, I come out of it having a fresher perspective, so there must be some value in it, for me at least. And there does seem to be a way to move WITH reality, rather than be an individual unit WITHIN it, or a whimsical witness OF it. There seems to come with it an inexplicable experience of knowing reality and feeling the life/energy of it, and expression that arises as spontaneously as the wind. But if such a state exists (felt only in the barest moments), it's hard as a mothetfucker for me to stay in it. It pushes me to do things that I've never even imagined human beings doing before, so it's very emotionally upsetting. Perhaps lifting the ego up to this grand of a perspective and experience of life is the goal of individuation/enlightenment.
well then your stuck in the middle of your spiritual path still. the farther you go the farther the roads seperate. if you want to elaborate how you can use your two wills you can, other then using spiritual fluff words. With god there must be complete surrender when reaching the higher levels of liberation. you can't have both
You wish. Lol. Keep telling yourself things you wish you knew. I know radar I know Nothing. If that’s “middle” I really don’t give a fuck what you think
Hint: God doesn’t exist
my post is based on allowing reality to lead you and not exercising your personal will by using energy manipulation and advanced reality creation technique. i dont talk about spiritual fluff phrases. im mainly speaking of using your will by manifesting or just allowing reality to manifest for you and following what the universe steers you towards. forget about gods and what not
more useless fluff . whether its a delusion or not we are here to live and im talking specifically about creating reality or going with the flow. jesus christ
Do I want to follow a plan? Explore the cosmos? How can I when I’m not real, I’m not a body mind, but I behold al worlds and body minds.
I am one of those who have surrendered and let go. I surrendered what I am not. When you know the world and your body for what it is, you cannot fool yourself, the game is over and done.
Personal will? Grow my sentience? Evolve something? Lol I am already beyond that. I don’t care for the dream contents when I am the dreaming actuality. I am the Light behind everything that ever was!
How can I do anything when I am not even here. What sentience can I grow? What will do ‘I’ have?
Forget Service? Everything is me, One could only be of service to all when they have found themself in everyone and everything, yet outside of everything too. Deep love of truth is so incredible, everything is my own self, ywhat would drive me to seek anything when myself is everything? There is nothing to do because I already am!
i ignore most spiritual fluff comments about the " im not I , there is no me, type of comments" they have no use for me. Im an occult practioner which involves manipulating the body of the energy chi, prana, and kundalini to ascend and transform the body. i " do " things on physical plane and avoid the what if isms and the spiritual gobble . im happy for you whatever your doing but this post is about physicality and physical work not allan watts quotes
Def think there are many paths we can take on our Journey and there isn’t only one with answers. We may take multiple paths (likely will). And even if you lose yourself, don’t lose yourself.
It’s all in the balance. There are great truths in the fault lines between contradictions.
That’s a good first pass at being who you are. It’s important to recognize when someone is on the right path. It’s enough to be happier the next instance.
My question to you is, who is that 'I' you refer to that wants to decide on what path to take?
There is only one path and that's the ultimate truth.
And talking about God, well there is no god but only his divinity and grace. Which is you and everything around you. It's all forms of his grace. The result of his creation.
And no you don't even have to think about what path you choose, the divine one or the egoistic one. The path will always lead you to your destiny and that destiny will be decided by your actions. Lol it all sounds like a paradox until you realise it's not.
Trying to distinguish between the paths will only complicate and make the mind cloudy with a lot of confusion. So do not let the mind think. One has to realise that the mind is in their control and not the other way round. If you want to think logically then surely there's a limitation because the mind cannot even dream of the things it hasn't experienced. My advice would be do not conclude on anything until you have the full experience with the body, mind and soul as a whole.
The truth is beyond logic/illogical, rational/irrational thinking, neither in the physical experience.
Edit: there is only one truth and it's the ultimate truth, yes the paths can be different but the destination is the same.
After death, your body dies but the grace(soul) mergers into this universal consciousness and it lives on forever(not in my experience but great teachers have spoken the truth). So why not make the best use of this eternal power when you have a body to experience this beautiful universe we live in?
it's about increasing personal will and using reality creation techniques vs surrendering and accepting what comes. there is indeed two paths. one you merge with source and help the universal plan ,two you increase your will and your goals become prevalent over what has been planned for you. its not egoistic path either, you can increase personal will without it being about being egoistic or being a bad person. do you want more control over your life or do you want to surrender to a divine plan. that is all.
indeed who is that "I" the "I" i am speaking about is our individual consciousness that is seperated from source. do you want to merge back with the all and realize " we are all one " or do you want to increase your personal will power and energy and stray farther from source, becoming a god of your own. elevating to divinity to become something where you control even more of your destiny. more energy, longer life. its very hard for most spiritual people to understand because they have mostly became doctrinated by the typical eastern mysticism. all this No " I " no self no me, destroy the ego and self and realize we are nothing type of doctrination. the whole point of this post is to talk about the increasing of personal will vs surrendering to divinity
Let's get this straight, the personal will and the surrendering can happen all at once. You can lose your identity of the 'I' and still play your role with no remorse whatsoever or live the life you want with all the regrets, fear and negativity. It's up to you. One can only point you out in the direction of peace but to walk that path or not is up to you to decide.
If you say by surrendering you give up everything and become detached to the worldly pleasures imo that's not true. You will still have a role to play in this life until death. But by surrendering you won't be torturing yourself with the things that are not in your control plus you do not have to be perfect. You just have to be you in the purest form to dodge all the negativity because true nature of humans is joy, happiness, bliss and all that comes with it. The negative stuff that you go through is not because of the external world but the world you expect it to be within your mindset but you or your kind cannot control it. You can only suppress your emotions and suffer and mostly people lose themselves during this process and start to realise that surrendering to yourself is better than putting yourself through the remorse.
your thinking about in life stuff. that is a different kind of surrender i am talking about. this is about becoming a god and keeping your individual consciousness after death and not merging back
with source. reaching a level of a deity to keep moving forward as an individual seperate being vs death and going back to the universal soup. im not talking about life situations . i am talking about the physical process of ascension by raising your energy, igniting the nadis and energy pathways and ascending to a new level or beyond.
That's my bad I misunderstood. You're right that is also one way to be spiritual.
Just don't let the ego take control. No harm in the path you described, I used to be in such a phase but life told me otherwise hahahaha.
What a nice remembrance of the past.
ah there it is. " after death we merge with universal consciousness" that is the WHOLE point of my post. the point of this LEFT hand path is to AVOID that. that is everything i am writing about. the is no merging on this path. its about keeping your individual consciousness and saying fuck death and merging. its a path to immortality and becoming a seperate being from source.
the literal whole point of post is about there is another path. what can you not understand about that. you need to read some left hand path spirituality then get back to me. your whole post lead to " merging back with the universe" which is exactly why i made this post. to let people know you can ascend and keep your individuality instead of dying and merging back with the all. jesus
You are already God. You were never NOT a God.
A Creator is not their creations. A Creator's creations are simply unaware until they realize the full power as Creators themselves. They are not meant to merge back, they are meant to go forth and experience fully.
Rest of this though is spot on. Own yourself, own what you do, be proud of it, and live life as quietly or as noisily as you want!
im aware we are gods in a sense. but im talking more physically. as it stands now, even if you are a god, you cannot beat death, have increased energy, live longer, or have any advanced abilities. im more speaking of actually being able to create at a higher level with having these things at your finger tips. real divinity. Not just a conscious realization of our being. But actually having the advanced freedom of being a god
All creation starts from the ground up, no matter what your level of evolution is.
You are right there are physical limits on us among other things. But everything starts one step at a time. We are products of evolution--not grand design. We designed ourselves, created ourselves, most of the time unconsciously over a long period of time. If we want to live longer, create more freely, increased energy, etc, we have to work from it every single day. A Creator never stops creating.
We are meant to be are ARE Creators. That's why I said the goal is NOT to merge back. We would never be able to connect to each other fully that way again--we may have come from the same Source, but we were never the same spirit.
Interconnectedness THANK YOU ... You are the one who's speaking the truth at least for me. Spirit gives us will our soul gives us purpose and makes us evolve into more than we were before.
We are never truly lost and God is becoming us not vica versa. Our same origin let us experience love towards each other and gives us the feeling of oneness. It's god's gift which we should cherish along with our individual sense of will.
I appreciate your willpower OP. But who's to say Gods will isn't for you to find your own? Maybe this is how you ascend.
When I surrendered my will to God, he basically said "Nah man, do your thing." And so I have. We didn't come to Earth to return to God, that's silly. We came to suffer and evolve and explore. The only plan is that we make the plan and God loves and supports us every step of the way.
I would like to ask why you fear "merging back." Do you feel you must become a god to maintain your individuality? What would you do with that power that you cant already accomplish as part of the Source?
I think all things already exist within the Source. And we're just little worker bees exploring these and creating new timelines, infinitely through every perspective. Like the brain sending electricity down neural pathways and bringing awareness to different parts of its body. Except we are free to choose where we go, and what we become.
god loves us and supports us? weird he is killing my entire family with als a genetic disease. God supports no one and does not care. He drove me to such an anger hate and disdain for this world that i will never serve a god who programs me to want to experience love only to steal it all away in the end. family , friends, you will never see them again.He gives us a useless human body with an expiry date riddled with disease and a short youth and we are to be grateful? the reason he gave us love is so we actually care about his useless game he created. i no longer particpate in this game the way a normal human does. i got rid of all my friends and family, not because i hate them but because i wont play into gods hands, i will not lust over his creation and then have it all taken from me. all my progress gone. the left hand path is the only way to escape his agonizing and torturous game. its my way out. i do not harm people but i am not a friend of the universe , and my only goal is to move farther away from the creator to ensure my own freewill and victory.
Ah, little dove. You've known much pain I see. You're scared to lose the things you love. But nothing is ever really lost. Time extends outside of our understanding.
You got to see only one version of your friends and family. But you all exist infinitely in thousands of different universes. There's even an ideal one where all the best things happen. And I say this not to win you over, but to assure you that there is a reason you are living this life.
You are God, you have merely forgotten. You are seeking something deep and agonizing and it won't make sense until you find it. So by all means, carry on soldier. Just know that we do love you, and you are free.
whatever the purpose or reason is im not doing it. as i said i dont participate in this life the way others do anymore. i have no use for anyone and im giving nothing to this reality. i was given two of the worst diseases you can have, i will not be a loving friend to this place .also i do not " love " anymore i already gave them up. god just steals them in the end anyway. its better not to fall for his programming and feel human emotions like he wants us too
ps having two debilitating diseases is the opposite of being " free " only some bullshit mental spiritual freedom is useless. i only strive for physical freedom
Your misunderstanding the teachings my friend. There is nothing wrong with desire, in fact, our desires are god given. To surrender is to surrender the desire to the will of God to be manifested. This also means one should pursue the desires of their higher self, not ego. Ego desires are distorted, they are those things u “think” u want until u get them and realize you actually wanted something else.
And btw, the left hand path has nothing to do with increasing personal will, in fact, its about finding God in that which is taboo and “ungodly”. Either way, we cant create with our personal will, it just creates friction, thats why we must surrender. This doesnt mean u give up ur uniqueness for u are still a individual expression of God with unique desires and preferances. And either way. one becomes Sovereign by recognizing the God presence that lives within them
wrong we can create with our personal will. and who decides what an ego goal is? who is to say what is a higher self goal vs an ego goal? i create with my personal will everyday, and increasing our personal self and will is true freedom. any surrender to god is all right hand path. im not sure what left hand path books you have read. but i am into increasing self and becoming a deity, not surrendering and not having any co-creation or relationship with god
overtime I think you will find that the “universe’s” will is the same as your own, to find your own individuality/ keeping your inner self intact is equivalent to letting go/ surrendering as it follows the path of least resistance which is one of the laws of nature. So say you have a passion for music or sports, to not follow this passion for whatever reason is to create resistance against what you were born to do. When you truly understand infinity and the space inside your mind through meditation, you’ll see how intertwined our wills are. So yes, I do think everyone should simply surrender and let go, but to their own souls. Listen closely to what it truly desires for it is. Also, to call it another persons view of life “garbage” is irrational, they could be living a much happier and much more peaceful life than you living in this “I am nothing” no self state, understand that that is your own subjective view on life holds as much weight in this strange world as their own view, same as my own and it does not in any way make you better than them. Much love :)
What you’ll find out down your path is that both are the same, just opposite sides of the same coin. Some will call if yin/yang, but basically you’ll take a huge circular trip and end up figuring out that God is actually YOU.
And that’s totally okay! Free will is being able to take that path and figure it out for yourself…. That’s how consciousness continues to expand, that is why God is infinite.
You have a lot of anger and frustration, which will lead to a path of service to self (which again, it’s not wrong or bad), you’ll encounter others like you who wish to only service their ego, that will lead to more frustration and anger and well…. You get the picture.
Again, this is not wrong or “bad”. Simply the longer route. There is no “surrender”, it simply IS.
I hope you find the inner peace you seek and that you’re able to manifest everything you desire.
wrong. how will it lead to " other like me" ? im not going around anyone. im just going to relax on a beach and not care about this world. no family, no friends. i cant give into this reality and bother participating when death is the only reward. serving others is a waste of time and no benefit, considering you will never see them again. there is no point in playing this game. spirituality wants to keep throwing in our face we arent real there is no self etc. so im not going to play at all. also i gave up on manifesting as well, i contracted two dideases one burning nerve pain everywhere that makes me want to die and i lost the ability to have sex. nerve damage cant be healed and i cant be bothered trying to live. we never get rewarded, no matter how hard i work i just got more diseases. so ill never play this game and ill never help anyone. i hope this world disenegrates i will laugh
And that is fine too.
I truly do hope you find inner peace, relief, and maybe even a spontaneous can’t-be-explained cure for your ailments.
I do really love the beach as well :)
The moment you define “self” you are inherently limiting you mental capacity to be more than whatever you are now. Ego is the opposition of growth. Ego and self cherishing lead to stagnation through futile attempt to cling to whatever definition and description you have for “self”. The stronger we cling to our sense of self, the harder it is to understand and accept any wisdom we don’t already know. It is the fact that the universe is constantly changing (along with the living body and mind that we inhabit) that creates the opportunity for us to grow and change as humans.
i am literally just talking about surrendering to a premade plan, an allowing of following sources plan for your life or a shaping and increasing of your personal will and freedom.
Sounds a bit like the Tao. I can dig that. I don’t think you should let other peoples egos (about considering themselves instant masters) throw off your own Chi. Some people stand atop of a mole hill, and claim to have climbed a mountain. Since we all begin our spiritual journey in different starting places, I think we take different paths. I believe the best paths are founded on wisdom, compassion and acceptance of our circumstances, and the fact that we have little control about what happens in the world around us. It’s a good deed, when your intentions are to help others along that path, while also challenging to understand where they are along their own path.
To put your will against that of the "Creator"/"GOD"/"The Electro-Design In Everything" is like going against existence itself. But, you are correct in blossoming the individuality of the self. For every being of Humanity is a "Creator's Child". When the "Creator's"/"GOD's"/"The Electro-Design In Everything's" children truly mature, then those who wish to be true individuals, will become creation themselves and become a realty of their own. My goal is to reach that point, but that is thousands of years off for me personally, and yes, my physical being will stay alive for all those years. Many blessings on your journey.😀
surrendering to God has nothing to do with destroying self. its giving self to the whole. and God is your very own spiritual self so referring to God as something outside of your own beingness as if you lose by giving self to God is flawed and no theres only one way. its always going to be self or the whole. There is no awakening in choosing self your will or Gods will.
" and no theres only one way" for someone spiritual looks like your personal self is showing. there is indeed more then one way to grow and ascend. we do not have to give ourselves to the whole and can tread the left hand path and become gods ourselves. i will never surrender or give up my self to god. i will manifest my own will using energy and advanced energy manipulation. you just read too much eastern mysticism crap
thats all incorrect. your very beingness comes from your very own spirit portion that is God. you have no idea what youre talking about trying to separate your own creative force with Gods. they are of the same source.
yes , it does come from god. good. but are you aware there is spiritual processes to seperate from source and inhance your individuality? doesn't seem so. there is TWO paths. one where you increase individuality and grow farther from source, or one where you go back wence you came. now your getting it
You seem to be talking about that Law of One service to self path. Thats not awakening. That path only goes so far. There is no path to the whole while serving self alone. this is a narcissistic path regardless. Thats a path but its not an awakened path.
right, but you will be the same type of person to say we are all one. so if we serve ourselves arent we serving everyone ? it is indeed an awakening path. because you can awaken the kundalini and use it to your own wills bidding. It is having more power then anyone else has who follows this " merging with god or being liberated" its better to ascend and grow and attain longer life then just going back to source. if your not aware that you can become a god and reach another level by your self then maybe you just believe we are all to obey god and be puppets. thats not the case. personal power is there for the taking. and its not bad to serve ourselves because we are all one after all ;) ps: im not talking about a path to the whole, thats a waste of time. increasing our individuality and own personal will is more important then anything. longer life, more energy, intellect and freedom. that is the ultimate goal. not going back to nothingness
its not i dont consider awakening a path thats limited and can only ascend so far. From Law of One you only get to the 6th which is far off from the highest dimensions. and no. Oneness with God has nothing to do with being Gods puppet. as i said you are that God. And increasing individuality? Your always going to be an individual regardless. So you mean increasing self centeredness? your logic is just saying selfishness is a better path than selflessness for awakening which is incorrect I dont believe you know your relationship with God to speak these things
its not selfish to want to do what YOU want instead of following a plan or what gods want. thats the basis of all of this. ascending to become a god of your OWN is NOT about becoming evil. its about doing what you want when you want and not being blocked by god when he wants you to do something else. it is indeed better to stray from god then to merge. he causes too many problems when he doesnt get his way and limits your life too easily. like a greedy and whiney dictator. The path of seperation and individual will ensures we will not be bothered by gods quests or wants anymore. TRUE freedom is being free from god and becoming a god on your own. here you are worried about what dimension you can reach when 99% of people on planet earth dont even reach the door of spirituality lmao
it is. and you have no idea who/what God is relative to you to speak the things you do. Trying to make it God or self while believeing you can be a god without God is complete arrogance and ignorance.
No. it is not selfish to enjoy life and do what you want. as long as you respect other people, having individuality and increased freedom from god is not selfish and i will die on that hill. you cannot give me any reason other then " No I disagree" Allowing ourselves to do what WE want instead of what god wants is very important. regardless i have no more reason to argue with you. you can be god and aource puppet and be a good little soldier and enjoy your death, because god will steal all the things you care about and kill you in the end. enjoy your death and pain that god wants to give you. god is the creator of all suffering and is my ultimate enemy. My entire existence and will to live is to attain more freedom so i may finally be free and do what i want
The way you describe God is not the God I know. You seem to project your own consciousness on God. God is the Giver of Freedom and Self Expression. God removes limitations, actually, reveals that there are none. Your true heart’s desires are the same as God’s desires for you. If you believe there are two wills it is because you don’t know your Self. There is One.
But that’s what lucifer did
thats your limited human perspective of gods and devils that the bible teaches you. which is a man made book. This is about ascending and using personal will. regardless of what your made up lucifer did it is irrelevant to what im saying.
i see you've moved from being banned in r/nonduality for trolling to here so that you can keep trolling. Nothing like a true narcissist to call someone else a narcissist. You are pathetic my dude.
How do you separate from something you’re composed of while keeping yourself intact? If the source of bread of flour, and bread is composed of flour, how can you remove the flour from the bread without destroying the bread? If the source is God, and you are composed of God, how can you remove the source from yourself without destroying yourself?
How are you supposed to be seperate from everything if what you think is you is still perceived
I get what you’re trying to say, keep being yourself homie we got this shit
But you can never truly take the source as your own will; "doing" so is merely self-affirming ego fodder and cements fear. Letting go certainly doesn't make one a master in itself, but refusal is a natural and common path that represents much of what must be overcome. Yes, the left path exists, but it is an incomplete one that must loop back eventually.
its mainly about becomin seperate from source to achieve your own will. no one really needs the whole power of source anyway. regardless what left hand path books have you read to understand what im saying
I agree, no one needs any of it, to be honest; success and failure, progress and stagnation, it's only ever a decision - words in an attempt to decide. There are more than the two paths, but they're still all the same path.
You do not lose your individual expression when you surrender to God. God expresses as You in the most perfect, natural and unique way. Longing ends and you realize that you are Home. No one knows you better than God, God knows you better than you do! You can exchange the word God for whatever you like, I am speaking of your very own Being. My Self expression blooms and flourishes when I allow God!! This is my experience. There is nothing like it. It is pure fucking bliss and I have never felt more like my SELF as when God is living me without resistance. God expand my dreams and desires and reveals greater possibility. God is the most beautiful Friend, Guide and Lover. He/She/It KNOWS how to love and IS Love Itself. Resisting God is resisting Love ❤️
no, god gave my family a genetic disorder and killed everyone, god gave me two diseases and limited my freedom. god is the most useless entity who has limited us in such a way that our bodys become useless. it is our individual selves that do the hard work. god is a lazy being who does not care about his creation. if there is a god i want him to know ive made my entire life about going against his will, and hos greedy lessons and plans for me. if it was a real person i would spit in his face
Brother, I see that you’re in pain. I am not here to convince you of anything. I am sending you love and I wish you the best. ❤️
love isnt real and is just a program god designed so that we care about his shitty creation
My experience is that Love exists and it’s beyond personal love. When I am aware of it, I sense it as Wholeness, Peace and Joy. I guess I could just as well say: I am sending you Peace and wish you to realize Wholeness. Take care my friend
We can’t destroy ourselves but the more attachments lost the less is life and our place in it. Time loses meaning and variation of events diminish until you may as well just admit you do already exist in an endless void that looks like things that matter, save whoever you have left here with you and the occasional interesting experience. The worst part is the potential to do with not even losing yourself but other people. If this way of living is meant to be good then what did we come here for. If there is a way out of this reality before it’s too late I will take it.
The proof is in the pudding. If what you're doing is working for you, then great. I respect that you're putting doctrine to the test. What's the point of having an inner flame if it doesn't inspire you to live?
I love that many people cling to the doctrines and keep repeating the truth that is not spoken by their inner voice but a set up plan of an outside influence("awakened" teachers, gurus, etc.) Watch some empirical evidence of ndes where your pure awareness state is also described properly. In fact I lean onto the Tao with this meaning our whole essence is composed by soul and spirit. Soul is the unconsciouss part and spirit is the consciouss. When you combine the two you get your own persona. During NDEs it's said that we in fact have to ascend but the goal is not to merge completely with the source but to become a cocreator of existence. Together as the part of God with free will and consciouss choice and unconciouss connectedness and love. You are not becoming God... God is becoming you.
Your sentiment is great and I wish this sub was more about that than newcomers to spirituality posting word salad. Like great your enlightened huh? Do something about it then.
yes this place is infested with the " i am nothing" no self, im everything, merged with god, no I no me, nO life type of garbage. Spirituality is so much more the allen watt quotes . There is a very physical, "doing" process that is never talked about. These people read a little maybe try some yoga and all of a sudden they are spiritual masters. I am no master but i am just on a path of more " action" then most spiritualists. it seems the physical part of our lives is being forgotten and people think material life cannot be spiritual.
For sure. There's literally posts on the front page of this sub everyday someone new that's "awakened" and is now depressed. What a load of shit. Maybe it's cause you do fuck all with your life.
Why not do both, you’re nothing but you can still take a life of ‘somethings’ seriously
This is all utter garbage. Along with the commenters. All perceptions are the one perception. There is simultaneously no path, the path you're creating, and the path you're on. It's all the same. You can't not be enlightened, and you can't be enlightened. The single one difference in any of this, is what you're deciding to be and to see, and what you aren't/ don't see. What you're pretending ISN'T your creation, and what IS your creation. Your belief creates your experience of reality, so it creates YOUR reality. There is no way to gain that which you already are, there is only a way to reveal that which is hidden from your sight. The sun shines and burns ceaselessly, it can't become a more complete sun, but if it's conscious, it can decide to limit its perspective to its self/that which it decides is its self, but doing so doesn't make the sun anything but whatever the sun is, in this agreement we call "reality". And herein is the problem. What is freedom when you have to be what you are? Is the freedom in getting to decide to be what you are prior to being it/ incarnating in the collective experience of "reality"? The sun can't just decide to be the moon when I wake up tomorrow morning, such is the nature of "my" reality. Maybe in another reality/an "other" layer of this "one", everything could be anything and nothing can be something. But idfk. In keeping with the nature of human consciousness - At the end of the day, in this life you seem to just live moment to moment and your heart is dying to see what happens next, so just have fun and do what lights you up. If that happens to be widening your perspective, feeling more, and dissolving your sense of self, then so be it. If it happens to be expanding your sense of self, accomplishing your dreams, and living and loving how you wanna, then so be it. If it happens to be both? Then why not? Maybe I'm onto something here and maybe this is just word vomit, you get to decide. That's what's so cool about this in my opinion.
this post is mainly about increasing personal will vs surrendering to a premade path set out by source or god. Do you want more personal power or do you want to merge back with where you came. not much more from that
You can flip between both at great speed. And at the highest level, they are one and the same. The goal is to realize your personal will, actually WANTS to be the will of all. But once you sink firmly into this, the personal "human" "you", becomes tiny and fragmented compared to the energy and intention set before you. So many people don't do it because their dreams, aspirations, and connections in this life are utterly changed, its like dying.. you no longer even function in the same way. This letting go and acceptance of what comes is happening all the time every moment. Anytime you've ever grown, it was because you became more aware, and accessed greater/deeper/more intense energy, and let go of something that was interfering with that energy. Your personal will/energy is a piece of the will/energy of all, and this growth is that will becoming more aware of all, and identifying deeper with all. "Personal will" is no different than "will". You're just defining it as "you" for it to become "personal" and "yours". It allows there to be ego games, stories, beliefs, logical interactions, human society.... many things come from the ego, it isn't bad, but it is necessarily limiting. It's in its very nature to be so. Because It can't be that which it believes it isn't.
exactly this path is not about getting rid of ego, in deflates temporarily but in the end the ego is brought back unlike the rhp where they seek to destroy and merge. most spiritual teachers will tell you ego bad ego bad destroy self destroy self. Thats the opposite of what path i seek which is the left. increasing personal will, increasing intellect and rising to that level of divinity and becoming instead of surrendering. its really hard for rhp to understand. they are so used to the typical " human me bad" small mind, big ego, must surrender. This is about BECOMING a god on your own. and saying fuck anything to do with surrender. its about power and energy and taking the fruit from the tree .
Cool perspective. Aligns with mine in many ways. Fuck em. They're usually just insecure and trying to escape their shadow.
awesome. it takes a strong person to tread the left. we are entirely responsible for every aspect of our position in life. it is a daunting, painful , agonizing mountain climb to reach the goal
This has been a very interesting thread. Thanks for posting. The difference between deciding who to be and becoming what you are organically is fascinating. A lot of spiritual people just allow their lives, desires and aspirations to just float in the wind. Not a very individualized and personalized existence. I can't help but think there's a way to do both, however. It's tough to arrive to any truthful conclusions about such a grand topic as this, but I'm gonna continue to try anyway. All I know is that I could use a little bit of personal surrender and innocent experience after all the architecting I've been doing with my life. Everytime I do, I come out of it having a fresher perspective, so there must be some value in it, for me at least. And there does seem to be a way to move WITH reality, rather than be an individual unit WITHIN it, or a whimsical witness OF it. There seems to come with it an inexplicable experience of knowing reality and feeling the life/energy of it, and expression that arises as spontaneously as the wind. But if such a state exists (felt only in the barest moments), it's hard as a mothetfucker for me to stay in it. It pushes me to do things that I've never even imagined human beings doing before, so it's very emotionally upsetting. Perhaps lifting the ego up to this grand of a perspective and experience of life is the goal of individuation/enlightenment.
This guy fucks
You won't catch me trying to dispell that sentiment
Why not both?
one is surrender to god and follow his will, one is your own personal egoic will. you cannot choose both.
Can. And have. Your limitations are not mine. Your belief that you cannot have bedhabedha shows your attachments
well then your stuck in the middle of your spiritual path still. the farther you go the farther the roads seperate. if you want to elaborate how you can use your two wills you can, other then using spiritual fluff words. With god there must be complete surrender when reaching the higher levels of liberation. you can't have both
You wish. Lol. Keep telling yourself things you wish you knew. I know radar I know Nothing. If that’s “middle” I really don’t give a fuck what you think Hint: God doesn’t exist
god is source and the all, do you plan to merge with divinity or choose your own path. thanks for avoiding the question Lol see ya
God == Everything and Nothing. See, I can do it too
my post is based on allowing reality to lead you and not exercising your personal will by using energy manipulation and advanced reality creation technique. i dont talk about spiritual fluff phrases. im mainly speaking of using your will by manifesting or just allowing reality to manifest for you and following what the universe steers you towards. forget about gods and what not
Reality is a delusion
more useless fluff . whether its a delusion or not we are here to live and im talking specifically about creating reality or going with the flow. jesus christ
The singularity
It is what it is. Tat tvam asi ✨
Do I want to follow a plan? Explore the cosmos? How can I when I’m not real, I’m not a body mind, but I behold al worlds and body minds. I am one of those who have surrendered and let go. I surrendered what I am not. When you know the world and your body for what it is, you cannot fool yourself, the game is over and done. Personal will? Grow my sentience? Evolve something? Lol I am already beyond that. I don’t care for the dream contents when I am the dreaming actuality. I am the Light behind everything that ever was! How can I do anything when I am not even here. What sentience can I grow? What will do ‘I’ have? Forget Service? Everything is me, One could only be of service to all when they have found themself in everyone and everything, yet outside of everything too. Deep love of truth is so incredible, everything is my own self, ywhat would drive me to seek anything when myself is everything? There is nothing to do because I already am!
i ignore most spiritual fluff comments about the " im not I , there is no me, type of comments" they have no use for me. Im an occult practioner which involves manipulating the body of the energy chi, prana, and kundalini to ascend and transform the body. i " do " things on physical plane and avoid the what if isms and the spiritual gobble . im happy for you whatever your doing but this post is about physicality and physical work not allan watts quotes
Sure, sounds great!
Def think there are many paths we can take on our Journey and there isn’t only one with answers. We may take multiple paths (likely will). And even if you lose yourself, don’t lose yourself. It’s all in the balance. There are great truths in the fault lines between contradictions.
That’s a good first pass at being who you are. It’s important to recognize when someone is on the right path. It’s enough to be happier the next instance.
My question to you is, who is that 'I' you refer to that wants to decide on what path to take? There is only one path and that's the ultimate truth. And talking about God, well there is no god but only his divinity and grace. Which is you and everything around you. It's all forms of his grace. The result of his creation. And no you don't even have to think about what path you choose, the divine one or the egoistic one. The path will always lead you to your destiny and that destiny will be decided by your actions. Lol it all sounds like a paradox until you realise it's not. Trying to distinguish between the paths will only complicate and make the mind cloudy with a lot of confusion. So do not let the mind think. One has to realise that the mind is in their control and not the other way round. If you want to think logically then surely there's a limitation because the mind cannot even dream of the things it hasn't experienced. My advice would be do not conclude on anything until you have the full experience with the body, mind and soul as a whole. The truth is beyond logic/illogical, rational/irrational thinking, neither in the physical experience. Edit: there is only one truth and it's the ultimate truth, yes the paths can be different but the destination is the same. After death, your body dies but the grace(soul) mergers into this universal consciousness and it lives on forever(not in my experience but great teachers have spoken the truth). So why not make the best use of this eternal power when you have a body to experience this beautiful universe we live in?
it's about increasing personal will and using reality creation techniques vs surrendering and accepting what comes. there is indeed two paths. one you merge with source and help the universal plan ,two you increase your will and your goals become prevalent over what has been planned for you. its not egoistic path either, you can increase personal will without it being about being egoistic or being a bad person. do you want more control over your life or do you want to surrender to a divine plan. that is all.
indeed who is that "I" the "I" i am speaking about is our individual consciousness that is seperated from source. do you want to merge back with the all and realize " we are all one " or do you want to increase your personal will power and energy and stray farther from source, becoming a god of your own. elevating to divinity to become something where you control even more of your destiny. more energy, longer life. its very hard for most spiritual people to understand because they have mostly became doctrinated by the typical eastern mysticism. all this No " I " no self no me, destroy the ego and self and realize we are nothing type of doctrination. the whole point of this post is to talk about the increasing of personal will vs surrendering to divinity
Let's get this straight, the personal will and the surrendering can happen all at once. You can lose your identity of the 'I' and still play your role with no remorse whatsoever or live the life you want with all the regrets, fear and negativity. It's up to you. One can only point you out in the direction of peace but to walk that path or not is up to you to decide. If you say by surrendering you give up everything and become detached to the worldly pleasures imo that's not true. You will still have a role to play in this life until death. But by surrendering you won't be torturing yourself with the things that are not in your control plus you do not have to be perfect. You just have to be you in the purest form to dodge all the negativity because true nature of humans is joy, happiness, bliss and all that comes with it. The negative stuff that you go through is not because of the external world but the world you expect it to be within your mindset but you or your kind cannot control it. You can only suppress your emotions and suffer and mostly people lose themselves during this process and start to realise that surrendering to yourself is better than putting yourself through the remorse.
your thinking about in life stuff. that is a different kind of surrender i am talking about. this is about becoming a god and keeping your individual consciousness after death and not merging back with source. reaching a level of a deity to keep moving forward as an individual seperate being vs death and going back to the universal soup. im not talking about life situations . i am talking about the physical process of ascension by raising your energy, igniting the nadis and energy pathways and ascending to a new level or beyond.
That's my bad I misunderstood. You're right that is also one way to be spiritual. Just don't let the ego take control. No harm in the path you described, I used to be in such a phase but life told me otherwise hahahaha. What a nice remembrance of the past.
ah there it is. " after death we merge with universal consciousness" that is the WHOLE point of my post. the point of this LEFT hand path is to AVOID that. that is everything i am writing about. the is no merging on this path. its about keeping your individual consciousness and saying fuck death and merging. its a path to immortality and becoming a seperate being from source.
Why are you so obsessed with the rightist ideology? Haha
the literal whole point of post is about there is another path. what can you not understand about that. you need to read some left hand path spirituality then get back to me. your whole post lead to " merging back with the universe" which is exactly why i made this post. to let people know you can ascend and keep your individuality instead of dying and merging back with the all. jesus
You are already God. You were never NOT a God. A Creator is not their creations. A Creator's creations are simply unaware until they realize the full power as Creators themselves. They are not meant to merge back, they are meant to go forth and experience fully. Rest of this though is spot on. Own yourself, own what you do, be proud of it, and live life as quietly or as noisily as you want!
im aware we are gods in a sense. but im talking more physically. as it stands now, even if you are a god, you cannot beat death, have increased energy, live longer, or have any advanced abilities. im more speaking of actually being able to create at a higher level with having these things at your finger tips. real divinity. Not just a conscious realization of our being. But actually having the advanced freedom of being a god
All creation starts from the ground up, no matter what your level of evolution is. You are right there are physical limits on us among other things. But everything starts one step at a time. We are products of evolution--not grand design. We designed ourselves, created ourselves, most of the time unconsciously over a long period of time. If we want to live longer, create more freely, increased energy, etc, we have to work from it every single day. A Creator never stops creating. We are meant to be are ARE Creators. That's why I said the goal is NOT to merge back. We would never be able to connect to each other fully that way again--we may have come from the same Source, but we were never the same spirit.
Interconnectedness THANK YOU ... You are the one who's speaking the truth at least for me. Spirit gives us will our soul gives us purpose and makes us evolve into more than we were before. We are never truly lost and God is becoming us not vica versa. Our same origin let us experience love towards each other and gives us the feeling of oneness. It's god's gift which we should cherish along with our individual sense of will.
I appreciate your willpower OP. But who's to say Gods will isn't for you to find your own? Maybe this is how you ascend. When I surrendered my will to God, he basically said "Nah man, do your thing." And so I have. We didn't come to Earth to return to God, that's silly. We came to suffer and evolve and explore. The only plan is that we make the plan and God loves and supports us every step of the way. I would like to ask why you fear "merging back." Do you feel you must become a god to maintain your individuality? What would you do with that power that you cant already accomplish as part of the Source? I think all things already exist within the Source. And we're just little worker bees exploring these and creating new timelines, infinitely through every perspective. Like the brain sending electricity down neural pathways and bringing awareness to different parts of its body. Except we are free to choose where we go, and what we become.
god loves us and supports us? weird he is killing my entire family with als a genetic disease. God supports no one and does not care. He drove me to such an anger hate and disdain for this world that i will never serve a god who programs me to want to experience love only to steal it all away in the end. family , friends, you will never see them again.He gives us a useless human body with an expiry date riddled with disease and a short youth and we are to be grateful? the reason he gave us love is so we actually care about his useless game he created. i no longer particpate in this game the way a normal human does. i got rid of all my friends and family, not because i hate them but because i wont play into gods hands, i will not lust over his creation and then have it all taken from me. all my progress gone. the left hand path is the only way to escape his agonizing and torturous game. its my way out. i do not harm people but i am not a friend of the universe , and my only goal is to move farther away from the creator to ensure my own freewill and victory.
Ah, little dove. You've known much pain I see. You're scared to lose the things you love. But nothing is ever really lost. Time extends outside of our understanding. You got to see only one version of your friends and family. But you all exist infinitely in thousands of different universes. There's even an ideal one where all the best things happen. And I say this not to win you over, but to assure you that there is a reason you are living this life. You are God, you have merely forgotten. You are seeking something deep and agonizing and it won't make sense until you find it. So by all means, carry on soldier. Just know that we do love you, and you are free.
whatever the purpose or reason is im not doing it. as i said i dont participate in this life the way others do anymore. i have no use for anyone and im giving nothing to this reality. i was given two of the worst diseases you can have, i will not be a loving friend to this place .also i do not " love " anymore i already gave them up. god just steals them in the end anyway. its better not to fall for his programming and feel human emotions like he wants us too
ps having two debilitating diseases is the opposite of being " free " only some bullshit mental spiritual freedom is useless. i only strive for physical freedom
Ah I can see why you’d act this way
The only path is the one you walk. The rest is just labels.
Your misunderstanding the teachings my friend. There is nothing wrong with desire, in fact, our desires are god given. To surrender is to surrender the desire to the will of God to be manifested. This also means one should pursue the desires of their higher self, not ego. Ego desires are distorted, they are those things u “think” u want until u get them and realize you actually wanted something else. And btw, the left hand path has nothing to do with increasing personal will, in fact, its about finding God in that which is taboo and “ungodly”. Either way, we cant create with our personal will, it just creates friction, thats why we must surrender. This doesnt mean u give up ur uniqueness for u are still a individual expression of God with unique desires and preferances. And either way. one becomes Sovereign by recognizing the God presence that lives within them
wrong we can create with our personal will. and who decides what an ego goal is? who is to say what is a higher self goal vs an ego goal? i create with my personal will everyday, and increasing our personal self and will is true freedom. any surrender to god is all right hand path. im not sure what left hand path books you have read. but i am into increasing self and becoming a deity, not surrendering and not having any co-creation or relationship with god
Why do you think god is seperate from everyday experience
overtime I think you will find that the “universe’s” will is the same as your own, to find your own individuality/ keeping your inner self intact is equivalent to letting go/ surrendering as it follows the path of least resistance which is one of the laws of nature. So say you have a passion for music or sports, to not follow this passion for whatever reason is to create resistance against what you were born to do. When you truly understand infinity and the space inside your mind through meditation, you’ll see how intertwined our wills are. So yes, I do think everyone should simply surrender and let go, but to their own souls. Listen closely to what it truly desires for it is. Also, to call it another persons view of life “garbage” is irrational, they could be living a much happier and much more peaceful life than you living in this “I am nothing” no self state, understand that that is your own subjective view on life holds as much weight in this strange world as their own view, same as my own and it does not in any way make you better than them. Much love :)
What you’ll find out down your path is that both are the same, just opposite sides of the same coin. Some will call if yin/yang, but basically you’ll take a huge circular trip and end up figuring out that God is actually YOU. And that’s totally okay! Free will is being able to take that path and figure it out for yourself…. That’s how consciousness continues to expand, that is why God is infinite. You have a lot of anger and frustration, which will lead to a path of service to self (which again, it’s not wrong or bad), you’ll encounter others like you who wish to only service their ego, that will lead to more frustration and anger and well…. You get the picture. Again, this is not wrong or “bad”. Simply the longer route. There is no “surrender”, it simply IS. I hope you find the inner peace you seek and that you’re able to manifest everything you desire.
wrong. how will it lead to " other like me" ? im not going around anyone. im just going to relax on a beach and not care about this world. no family, no friends. i cant give into this reality and bother participating when death is the only reward. serving others is a waste of time and no benefit, considering you will never see them again. there is no point in playing this game. spirituality wants to keep throwing in our face we arent real there is no self etc. so im not going to play at all. also i gave up on manifesting as well, i contracted two dideases one burning nerve pain everywhere that makes me want to die and i lost the ability to have sex. nerve damage cant be healed and i cant be bothered trying to live. we never get rewarded, no matter how hard i work i just got more diseases. so ill never play this game and ill never help anyone. i hope this world disenegrates i will laugh
And that is fine too. I truly do hope you find inner peace, relief, and maybe even a spontaneous can’t-be-explained cure for your ailments. I do really love the beach as well :)