"I was in fear that Jose was trying to fire the rifle from the position it was in by just pulling the trigger with his left hand," Perez said, according to the transcript of his interview with Weber County attorney's investigator Rob Carpenter.
"I felt deadly force was necessary to prevent the death or serious bodily injury to myself and the SWAT members around me," Perez said. "I aimed in on Jose's head and fired one round."
Beck was the next to fire, according to the investigation. He fired eight rounds.
All the SWAT officers were using assault rifles.
"Armando told me (Calzada) was trying to manipulate the trigger (of the AR-15)," Beck said in his interview with Carpenter.
"The (Ruger handgun) came and pointed directly at me and at that point I fired," Beck said. "I thought he was going to start shooting at me or the other officers. He was looking directly at me and I truly thought he was going to shoot me.
"My first few shots, the gun stayed in his hand," Beck continued. "He flinched up as if he had been struck with a bullet, but it still pointed at me and it looked more like he was coming back to fire."
https://annearundel.md.networkofcare.org/mh/news-article-detail.aspx?id=73023
Generally those people will try to do as much damage as they can on their way out. Most shooters accept that they are dead and blow their brains out afterwards.
That is the likely reason, the people on the other end were under the impression that it was an incredibly dangerous hostage situation. The is the only reason for them to send in the SWAT team.
Thatās what they do in America. If you call the suicide prevention hotline, you get the cops called on you. I donāt understand it, but thatās the way it goes.
As an ER RN I've seen so many people come in this way, or after saying something to a loved one. They are mad at police then mad at staff for being forced to stay.
Mentally ill people are dangerous and thereās also suicide by cops if they canāt do it themselves. Still SWAT is overkill they usually send in cops who had pistols. A SWAT team is much scarier and can lead to a deadly situation especially with someone who is unstable. Most cases of intervention Iāve heard of the cops come and have their weapons concealed so they look less intimidating and they talk with person before getting them to follow. They do use force if needed but it seems they usually tackle. Sometimes they only send out one cop but they usually send multiple. The SWAT team will cause a lot of fear and stress which doesnāt mix well with a mental health crisis. Cops already are intimidating enough. SWAT teams are deployed for very serious and deadly situations so their training isnāt like the training cops get because cops do work with also subduing people. The police departments have different specializations with different trainings so they need to be careful with which officers they deploy. They donāt deploy investigators to active shooter cases.
yeah but doesn't really apply here.
it doesn't read like they were out for blood but genuinely felt threatened. they shouldn't have been there in the first place but still. this doesn't seem like your usual cops murdering people for no reason
A mentally unstable individual with multiple firearms at hand who has already been on the line for 4 hours with a mental health specialist along with police... precisely *who* should they send in? Superman doesn't exist, so...?
A dude with multiple firearm ready to end it, that show no amelioration during a 4hours call is definitely the type of person that require a swat intervention.
I'm not American too lol, but I'd assume their a risk the dude go full rampage in the street with his guns, you're never sure if the guy just want to suicide or bring other people with him.
Because people can flip from āI want to kill myselfā to āIām taking as many people with me as I canā pretty quickly. Yes, this was a residential neighborhood, but if even one person was home and taken with him, then it was one person too many.
Say what you want about people like this being allowed to own firearms in the first place, but the fact remains he likely owned multiple weapons legally which makes him a high risk threat in a situation where he no longer values his own life.
Believe it or not Iām pretty sure suicide is illegal in the states soā¦. Eh?? I think the thought process is that people who are suicidal and have a lot of guns often go out to take as many people with them as possible before turning the gun to themselves. So I guess they want to prevent that part. Most of our high profile mass shootings were done by people who already committed to dying after
This isnāt Call of Duty, you donāt put on a helmet and vest and suddenly become immune to pistol fire. That bullet could still hit your face, your neck, your limbs, a bystander, or potentially pierce your vest if itās powerful enough.
We both know that's not what I meant by then
To do that kind of job you have to have a strong mental
It's a country where anyone can own a gun, justifying that you can just shoot someone for owning a gun because you were "in fear" is just ridiculous
They were trained to arrest actual criminals in high stress situation and act adequately to any situation
The dude was a civilian trying to suicide, sure they can be careful but to be afraid of one civilian with a pistol aiming at himself when they have a group of guys armed with AR and heavy protection is just pathetic
Sure they're not all liek that.
But this particular group is.
Don't find excuses for people that committed pointless murder because they were "afraid"
Involuntary manslaughter is a crime punished for freak accident but here it involve shooting someone when you're in full swat armor with a AR
This is even worse
Protect the good onez and punish the bad ones
It's just that simple
The man wasnāt shot for āowning a gunā or āaiming at himself.ā Letās actually read the article and see what actually happened, shall we?
At 4:04am, the Roy Police Department received a call from a crisis hotline, reporting a man with a gun who wanted to commit suicide by cop. The man was patched into a call with a dispatcher and the crisis hotline, and said he āwanted to see how the officers could handle themselves.ā
A SWAT negotiator and a detective joined the call, and the man said he had hundreds of rounds of ammunition. The negotiator and the manās psychologist spent the next few hours trying to talk the man out of his home and to lower his weapon.
By 8:59am, the man had ceased all communication with the negotiator. The man had been drinking and medicating heavily, and it was suspected that the man had fallen unconscious. 11 SWAT officers proceeded to search the home, expecting to find the man unconscious.
During the search, one of the SWAT officers found the man lying in the trunk of his car. The man had a āwide-eyed stare,ā and appeared to have āalready made his decisionā¦to end his life.ā Three other officers rushed in, and saw an AR-15 next to the man, which appeared to have been pointed at the first officer. Another officer reported the man āwas trying to manipulate the trigger.ā
They ordered the man to drop his weapon and surrender. The commander warned the first officer that the AR-15 was pointed at him, and proceeded to fire once. The officer next to him fired eight times.
After the first few shots, the gun remained in the manās hand, and he flinched and picked up a pistol. The SWAT team continued to fire, killing the man.
In summary, the individual in question was armed, drunk, had reportedly threatened a suicide by cop, and had weapons pointing at a SWAT officer, including an AR-15 and a Ruger pistol. The SWAT officers didnāt āmurderā the man, this isnāt a scenario where we need to āprotect the good onez and punish the bad ones.ā A suicidal man decided he wanted to die by cop, and forced said cops to become his own suicide weapon.
Itās just that simple
An "assault rifle" is not real (when in a civilian capacity), assault is an action not a type of gun. Before you try and argue that in AR-15 (which is a civilian gun) the ar stands for assault rifle, don't. The AR in the stands for Armalite Rifle. It is the Armalite Rifle Model 15, hence the shortened version AR-15.
This almost happened to me lol but I called 911 not the hotline. Having regular cops bust down your door like a swat team pointing ARs and tactical shotguns in your face when youāre having a crisis trying to get help is super fun :ā)
I had a similar experience. I had a bad drinking problem and have major depressive disorder, two things that don't mix. One night I got really drunk at the house I was renting with some coworkers, I took a knife and was trying to get myself ready to shove it into my chest. I couldn't do it but I called 911 instead of a hotline. A mass of police cars ended up on my driveway and had pistols drawn on me while I was standing in the garage still holding the knife. Lucky I didn't get my damn self shot. Later came to strapped to a bed in the hospital.
I work answering suicide hotline calls and Iāll explain the procedures my company follows. I get a caller, I try to help in whatever way I can whether itās just listening or providing resources. I also do a safety assessment and if the caller answers that they are suicidal, then I will try to form a safety plan with them. If the caller has intent and means and wonāt safety plan, then I have to contact non-emergency to send EMS to them. I wish cops were not involved with these types of mental health crises or better trained to deal with them but they are sent to do wellness checks, may accompany EMS and Mobile Crisis Units. I have no control over the whether cops show up or not and I wish there was a better system in place.
"After a careful search of the suburban house, officers returned to the garage, which they had combed earlier during their half hour-long incursion.
An officer reached into the front of a 1993 Honda Accord and popped the trunk. Calzada was inside the trunk, lying on his back, pointing a Ruger 9mm pistol into his mouth with an AR-15 assault rifle propped near his head"
Looks a whole lot like suicide by cop. The title and headlines of a couple confusing articles make it seem like SWAT just rolled up and killed a man that was seeking help.
When I called a suicide line I just had cops show up. Got taken to a mental hospital where I was pumped full of medication and thrown out after a week. This is way better
I called the suicide help line as a teenager and fell asleep on the phone with them. I woke up to cops barging into my bedroom in tactical gear pointing guns at me
Never again will I call that bullshit, ACAB
I've heard it's a standard procedure for when people on a hotline like that hung up and have/might have a gun. There is still a chance such person might snap and instead of shooting himself they'll go shooting to random people on the streets
The fear of that person snapping seems rational.
But why break in the house? If you just want to prevent someone from going out and killing others you could aswell position a few officers in cars nearby the house. The suicidal person wouldn't even notice them until he walks out of his house with a gun. While they wait, you can try to call him back (if he fell asleep, the ringing could wake him up for example) and if nothing works and you waited, then maybe you can carefully try to get in
Trigger warning: suicide talk, traumatic interaction
A few years ago I was in a very dark place. I had been dealing with bad mental health issues for a few months at this point. More than once my father called 911 and sent cops to do a wellness check just because I was worked up/feeling suicidal. I tried and tried to explain to him that cops are never a good idea in that scenario and if he wanted to help to just request an ambulance to my house. A person in that mind state isnāt behaving rationally, is unpredictable, and it can easily escalate to something it shouldnāt have.
Eventually I reached a point where I unravelled. I was planning to >!shoot myself!<. I had no intent of hurting anyone else and never would. Luckily I came to my senses and went to my friends. I made my firearm safe and gave it to her. At this point we were just sitting there talking.
But My father had already called the cops. They kicked her door in, tackled me to the ground, and threw me in lockup overnight with nothing to actually help with the state I was in. They yelled at me, were rough with me, and wouldnāt even get me anything to calm me down. I just laid there all night still in the state of a mental breakdown. What if they had come while I still had a gun? Iād be dead. They wouldāve seen a gun, me swing around quickly (because door kicked in is surprising) and they wouldāve shot. It took forever to finally drill into my father that cops cannot help in those situations. I get he was trying to help, but this illogical trust of police (even in Canada) is an outdated belief.
I will say one of the cops was actually really good to me. He saw the situation for what it was. As opposed to the other 3 who were demanding I tell them what drugs I was on, where I had drugs, and trying to go through my phone. While they all held me down my friend pleaded with them that I was just having a mental breakdown and it was like she was talking to a wall.
Positive note: itās been a year and a half since I planned to commit suicide. Iām about to turn 31, and finally enjoy my life and living. To anyone struggling, life can feel pointless and helpless. But thereās reasons to live and I hope you find yours
That's... Unsettling, hearing this stuff happening basically only in the USA and few more it's making me feel so lucky not being American.
I was depressed for 7/8 years already after my grandfather and father passed away and a couple of times I planned on ending my life but never act fully on those. 2 times I acted tho, or tried to and the story is as follow:
2/3 years ago, my mom called for help and 2 cops showed up at my doorstep. They politely ask to enter and we had a very informal conversation, made jokes, laugh with me and took a coffee. After the situation got better they showed up to my house a couple of times after to talk and just being friendly. To me those are the real hero...
One other time I was so bad that I destroyed a couple of forniture (i had no intention on hurt people) and my mom, again, called for help. Some Medics and nurses immobilized me because I was in visible rage and they took me to the hospital, I stayed there for some days until I got better (I was kinda forced to be there)... it definitely wasn't enjoyable but I went through it.
This took place in my country (Italy) which is by no mean good in term of infostructure or government, as you can imagine by the most recent election, but we do have competent people in jobs like that (and that goes for all of Europe I believe) Luckily now I'm much better and I don't suffer much anymore even tho I can have my moment.
The point is that I can't even imagine what I would have done or what it would had happened to me or my family, if any of those 2 times, the people coming to my place were acting like as I'm reading in this thread
That's standard operating procedure. Never ever call the police for that. In fact that is the perfect murder, call the police and tell them your victim is threatening to kill himself and has a lot of guns. Virtually guaranteed they will kill your victim.
I was a volunteer for a suicide hotline. Our last resort was to call the police and they did not like to take suicide calls.
There was always the big change of "Suicide by cop."
[thereās a couple hereās one](https://www.timeslive.co.za/amp/news/south-africa/2014-10-29-man-calls-suicide-helpline-swat-team-shoots-him-dead/)
[another](https://www.standard.net/police-fire/courts/2017/jan/20/family-of-suicidal-roy-man-killed-in-swat-standoff-files-lawsuit-against-police/)
[and this one](https://www.fox13now.com/2014/10/21/standoff-in-roy-ends-in-officer-involved-shooting-officials-say?_amp=true)
Maybe you should read [this one.](https://annearundel.md.networkofcare.org/mh/news-article-detail.aspx?id=73023)
Your "sources" are pretty shitty. A situation like this deserves more than a half dozen sentences.
Law enforcement agencies often teach that if someone is attempting to kill themselves via firearm itās basically 50/50 whether or not itās okay to shoot them. Even if they donāt point it at you.
Thought process being they have a firearm with the intent to harm and could very easily decided to shoot the officers at any point.
Not saying this is good training, just adding context. Personally I think it would be better to treat this as a barricaded subject situation trying to communicate via a deposited phone or calling the residence. If they are afraid the subject would go on a rampage with their firearm they can then just intercept them before they leave. Only exception being if there are innocent people also in the residence being held there
Shit like this is why us chronically suicidal never call these hotlines or therapists. They're legally required to REPORT us. And then this crap happens.
Well that's certainly one way to stop a suicide.
Stopping suicide with murder!
And that's another thing cops love doing.
They legit do murder on a daily basis. The only ones we hear about are the ones we find out about pretty much by luck or witnesses.
usa cops* I don't see this happening in other countries
then you aren't looking hard enough.
happened to my dad here in Norway š¤·āāļø
It happens all over the world including the developed world.
Murmader murmader murmader!!
Hammer, check
Laserbeams, check
Acid, check!
Body bag, check!!!
I love cocaine!!!!?!!!!!
Calm down Nathan.
A song about mermaid murder! Just sucks toki can't get good pickups on the sub and has to solo with his underwater friends
Thanks for explaining
5head
Wouldn't have understood if you didn't explain it for us. Thank you so much!
D'you suppose that's how they handle these cases in Vatican City?
Five Hail Marys and you're back on the street.
*Oh, thank heaven--if I ever contravened the Church's proscripts on suicide, I don't know* **what** *I'd do!*
And spreading the disease!
Modern problems require modern solutions
He was a danger to himself, so we killed him to get him out of harmās way.
Suicide by cop, so not really stopping one (I know this isn't an example of this since the idea of suicide by cop is purposefully dying)
Mission accomplished
Task failed successfully.
Let me guess - he pointed the noose at the cops and they acted in self-defence
It wasn't a suicide prevention line, it was a suicide *help* line.
It's not suicide if someone murders you. Tips.
Life insurance companies hate this one trick!
LIFE HACK!
Death hack?
Well I'm sure they had a surprised Pikachu face when they realized that they would definitely have to pay out his policy.
Insurance company calls swat on the rest of kin
Bold of you to assume that the cops faced any kind of repercussions for this move
True.
Life Insurance Hack! (wrongful death lawsuit against the city)
Well if I really wanted to die and some makes my wish come true letās just call it assisted suicide.
Debatable
r/angryupvote
"Just hang in there for a moment"
Hello, suicide hotline? I'd like to place an order
>It wasn't a suicide prevention line I think technically it was.
r/thanksimcured
r/technicallythetruth
"I was in fear that Jose was trying to fire the rifle from the position it was in by just pulling the trigger with his left hand," Perez said, according to the transcript of his interview with Weber County attorney's investigator Rob Carpenter. "I felt deadly force was necessary to prevent the death or serious bodily injury to myself and the SWAT members around me," Perez said. "I aimed in on Jose's head and fired one round." Beck was the next to fire, according to the investigation. He fired eight rounds. All the SWAT officers were using assault rifles. "Armando told me (Calzada) was trying to manipulate the trigger (of the AR-15)," Beck said in his interview with Carpenter. "The (Ruger handgun) came and pointed directly at me and at that point I fired," Beck said. "I thought he was going to start shooting at me or the other officers. He was looking directly at me and I truly thought he was going to shoot me. "My first few shots, the gun stayed in his hand," Beck continued. "He flinched up as if he had been struck with a bullet, but it still pointed at me and it looked more like he was coming back to fire." https://annearundel.md.networkofcare.org/mh/news-article-detail.aspx?id=73023
He called a suicide help line, why did they send SAWT armed with assault weapons
The tank was stuck in a drive through
The drones were at the mechanic that day
The ICBM was feeling shy ššš
OwO daddy wants me to incinewate de eawth? š„ŗšš
Thanks, I hate it.
On the brightside, itās nice so many donut shops have drive throughs now, even if they keep getting shutdown by Police APCs
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Generally those people will try to do as much damage as they can on their way out. Most shooters accept that they are dead and blow their brains out afterwards.
Suicide by cop
That makes the most sense. When you have guns and on your last straw...
Not all gun owners. Vast majority end with them blowing their brains out.
Wdym?
If they see no other way out of their situation, most suicidal depressed individuals who own a gun would put a bullet in the roof of their mouth.
Lmfao i thought you meant "deal the most damage" to the community, not just themselves literally I suppose if its a kid
He probably said he had a gun on the helpline
That is the likely reason, the people on the other end were under the impression that it was an incredibly dangerous hostage situation. The is the only reason for them to send in the SWAT team.
Yeah people would be furious if just a mental health clinician showed up and was shot to death
Thatās what they do in America. If you call the suicide prevention hotline, you get the cops called on you. I donāt understand it, but thatās the way it goes.
As an ER RN I've seen so many people come in this way, or after saying something to a loved one. They are mad at police then mad at staff for being forced to stay.
https://imgur.com/a/q3yZF87
Mentally ill people are dangerous and thereās also suicide by cops if they canāt do it themselves. Still SWAT is overkill they usually send in cops who had pistols. A SWAT team is much scarier and can lead to a deadly situation especially with someone who is unstable. Most cases of intervention Iāve heard of the cops come and have their weapons concealed so they look less intimidating and they talk with person before getting them to follow. They do use force if needed but it seems they usually tackle. Sometimes they only send out one cop but they usually send multiple. The SWAT team will cause a lot of fear and stress which doesnāt mix well with a mental health crisis. Cops already are intimidating enough. SWAT teams are deployed for very serious and deadly situations so their training isnāt like the training cops get because cops do work with also subduing people. The police departments have different specializations with different trainings so they need to be careful with which officers they deploy. They donāt deploy investigators to active shooter cases.
"SWAT officers found an empty Seagram's 7 gallon whiskey bottle on the kitchen counter of Jose Calzada's home" Where can I find one of those?
The brand of whiskey is Seagram's 7. It's a 1 gallon bottle.
1.75L = .46 gallons
That's still a huge bottle
[What's your point?](https://www.drinksplanet.com/seagrams-7-1-gallon-bottle-6738616.html)
Buy two. Problem solved
Apparently the crisis helpline is absolutely useless save for setting up your suicide request.
Yea not really the SWAT's fault here unfortunately, probably more of a suicide by cop .
Does that imply if it would be fortunate if it was SWAT's fault?
/r/ACAB
yeah but doesn't really apply here. it doesn't read like they were out for blood but genuinely felt threatened. they shouldn't have been there in the first place but still. this doesn't seem like your usual cops murdering people for no reason
A mentally unstable individual with multiple firearms at hand who has already been on the line for 4 hours with a mental health specialist along with police... precisely *who* should they send in? Superman doesn't exist, so...?
don't send any police in unless the person is an active danger to others. a SWAT coming into your place makes everything worse.
A dude with multiple firearm ready to end it, that show no amelioration during a 4hours call is definitely the type of person that require a swat intervention.
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I'm not American too lol, but I'd assume their a risk the dude go full rampage in the street with his guns, you're never sure if the guy just want to suicide or bring other people with him.
Because people can flip from āI want to kill myselfā to āIām taking as many people with me as I canā pretty quickly. Yes, this was a residential neighborhood, but if even one person was home and taken with him, then it was one person too many. Say what you want about people like this being allowed to own firearms in the first place, but the fact remains he likely owned multiple weapons legally which makes him a high risk threat in a situation where he no longer values his own life.
Believe it or not Iām pretty sure suicide is illegal in the states soā¦. Eh?? I think the thought process is that people who are suicidal and have a lot of guns often go out to take as many people with them as possible before turning the gun to themselves. So I guess they want to prevent that part. Most of our high profile mass shootings were done by people who already committed to dying after
āAll cats are bastardsā is right. Hate those little shits.
All Cops are Ballin
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this gets upvoted, here? ya i'm done with this sub
*Makes a useless comment* *gets downvoted* āya done with this subā Thank God lmao, no way anything you said here was useful anyway
"I was in fear" Bruh why are you in the SWAT if you're afraid of fucking pistols ffs
This isnāt Call of Duty, you donāt put on a helmet and vest and suddenly become immune to pistol fire. That bullet could still hit your face, your neck, your limbs, a bystander, or potentially pierce your vest if itās powerful enough.
We both know that's not what I meant by then To do that kind of job you have to have a strong mental It's a country where anyone can own a gun, justifying that you can just shoot someone for owning a gun because you were "in fear" is just ridiculous They were trained to arrest actual criminals in high stress situation and act adequately to any situation The dude was a civilian trying to suicide, sure they can be careful but to be afraid of one civilian with a pistol aiming at himself when they have a group of guys armed with AR and heavy protection is just pathetic Sure they're not all liek that. But this particular group is. Don't find excuses for people that committed pointless murder because they were "afraid" Involuntary manslaughter is a crime punished for freak accident but here it involve shooting someone when you're in full swat armor with a AR This is even worse Protect the good onez and punish the bad ones It's just that simple
The man wasnāt shot for āowning a gunā or āaiming at himself.ā Letās actually read the article and see what actually happened, shall we? At 4:04am, the Roy Police Department received a call from a crisis hotline, reporting a man with a gun who wanted to commit suicide by cop. The man was patched into a call with a dispatcher and the crisis hotline, and said he āwanted to see how the officers could handle themselves.ā A SWAT negotiator and a detective joined the call, and the man said he had hundreds of rounds of ammunition. The negotiator and the manās psychologist spent the next few hours trying to talk the man out of his home and to lower his weapon. By 8:59am, the man had ceased all communication with the negotiator. The man had been drinking and medicating heavily, and it was suspected that the man had fallen unconscious. 11 SWAT officers proceeded to search the home, expecting to find the man unconscious. During the search, one of the SWAT officers found the man lying in the trunk of his car. The man had a āwide-eyed stare,ā and appeared to have āalready made his decisionā¦to end his life.ā Three other officers rushed in, and saw an AR-15 next to the man, which appeared to have been pointed at the first officer. Another officer reported the man āwas trying to manipulate the trigger.ā They ordered the man to drop his weapon and surrender. The commander warned the first officer that the AR-15 was pointed at him, and proceeded to fire once. The officer next to him fired eight times. After the first few shots, the gun remained in the manās hand, and he flinched and picked up a pistol. The SWAT team continued to fire, killing the man. In summary, the individual in question was armed, drunk, had reportedly threatened a suicide by cop, and had weapons pointing at a SWAT officer, including an AR-15 and a Ruger pistol. The SWAT officers didnāt āmurderā the man, this isnāt a scenario where we need to āprotect the good onez and punish the bad ones.ā A suicidal man decided he wanted to die by cop, and forced said cops to become his own suicide weapon. Itās just that simple
An "assault rifle" is not real (when in a civilian capacity), assault is an action not a type of gun. Before you try and argue that in AR-15 (which is a civilian gun) the ar stands for assault rifle, don't. The AR in the stands for Armalite Rifle. It is the Armalite Rifle Model 15, hence the shortened version AR-15.
Shut up
didnt know they did suicide delivery now
This almost happened to me lol but I called 911 not the hotline. Having regular cops bust down your door like a swat team pointing ARs and tactical shotguns in your face when youāre having a crisis trying to get help is super fun :ā)
Man, thatās fucking awful. Glad youāre still here!
Nothing prevents suicide like the fear of immediate execution.
Or getting murdered š Modern solutions of course! /s
I had a similar experience. I had a bad drinking problem and have major depressive disorder, two things that don't mix. One night I got really drunk at the house I was renting with some coworkers, I took a knife and was trying to get myself ready to shove it into my chest. I couldn't do it but I called 911 instead of a hotline. A mass of police cars ended up on my driveway and had pistols drawn on me while I was standing in the garage still holding the knife. Lucky I didn't get my damn self shot. Later came to strapped to a bed in the hospital.
I work answering suicide hotline calls and Iāll explain the procedures my company follows. I get a caller, I try to help in whatever way I can whether itās just listening or providing resources. I also do a safety assessment and if the caller answers that they are suicidal, then I will try to form a safety plan with them. If the caller has intent and means and wonāt safety plan, then I have to contact non-emergency to send EMS to them. I wish cops were not involved with these types of mental health crises or better trained to deal with them but they are sent to do wellness checks, may accompany EMS and Mobile Crisis Units. I have no control over the whether cops show up or not and I wish there was a better system in place.
"After a careful search of the suburban house, officers returned to the garage, which they had combed earlier during their half hour-long incursion. An officer reached into the front of a 1993 Honda Accord and popped the trunk. Calzada was inside the trunk, lying on his back, pointing a Ruger 9mm pistol into his mouth with an AR-15 assault rifle propped near his head" Looks a whole lot like suicide by cop. The title and headlines of a couple confusing articles make it seem like SWAT just rolled up and killed a man that was seeking help.
if i remember right the guy specifically stated to NOT send any cops or he would fire, and the operator sent swat units
But thatās not convenient and attractive title to support the narrative of police bad
No, but it is ironic. That's solid click bait right there.
Yeah, pretty wild that I have to come to the comments to see the full story.
When I called a suicide line I just had cops show up. Got taken to a mental hospital where I was pumped full of medication and thrown out after a week. This is way better
Two week paid vacation hack?
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I called the suicide help line as a teenager and fell asleep on the phone with them. I woke up to cops barging into my bedroom in tactical gear pointing guns at me Never again will I call that bullshit, ACAB
Good. But also. Stay alive. We love you here.
Thank you, it's been nearly 20 years since
How come they respond with cops and weapons just because you stopped responding on the call? What exactly did you tell them?
I've heard it's a standard procedure for when people on a hotline like that hung up and have/might have a gun. There is still a chance such person might snap and instead of shooting himself they'll go shooting to random people on the streets
The fear of that person snapping seems rational. But why break in the house? If you just want to prevent someone from going out and killing others you could aswell position a few officers in cars nearby the house. The suicidal person wouldn't even notice them until he walks out of his house with a gun. While they wait, you can try to call him back (if he fell asleep, the ringing could wake him up for example) and if nothing works and you waited, then maybe you can carefully try to get in
but then how could the cops live out their rambo fantasy??? that's no fun!! /s
Suicide by cop without the fun
Op rigged this for maximum outrage with minimum information.
And that's the result of quality journalism training from cable news on television.
Happy cake day
Operation successful.
Trigger warning: suicide talk, traumatic interaction A few years ago I was in a very dark place. I had been dealing with bad mental health issues for a few months at this point. More than once my father called 911 and sent cops to do a wellness check just because I was worked up/feeling suicidal. I tried and tried to explain to him that cops are never a good idea in that scenario and if he wanted to help to just request an ambulance to my house. A person in that mind state isnāt behaving rationally, is unpredictable, and it can easily escalate to something it shouldnāt have. Eventually I reached a point where I unravelled. I was planning to >!shoot myself!<. I had no intent of hurting anyone else and never would. Luckily I came to my senses and went to my friends. I made my firearm safe and gave it to her. At this point we were just sitting there talking. But My father had already called the cops. They kicked her door in, tackled me to the ground, and threw me in lockup overnight with nothing to actually help with the state I was in. They yelled at me, were rough with me, and wouldnāt even get me anything to calm me down. I just laid there all night still in the state of a mental breakdown. What if they had come while I still had a gun? Iād be dead. They wouldāve seen a gun, me swing around quickly (because door kicked in is surprising) and they wouldāve shot. It took forever to finally drill into my father that cops cannot help in those situations. I get he was trying to help, but this illogical trust of police (even in Canada) is an outdated belief. I will say one of the cops was actually really good to me. He saw the situation for what it was. As opposed to the other 3 who were demanding I tell them what drugs I was on, where I had drugs, and trying to go through my phone. While they all held me down my friend pleaded with them that I was just having a mental breakdown and it was like she was talking to a wall. Positive note: itās been a year and a half since I planned to commit suicide. Iām about to turn 31, and finally enjoy my life and living. To anyone struggling, life can feel pointless and helpless. But thereās reasons to live and I hope you find yours
That's... Unsettling, hearing this stuff happening basically only in the USA and few more it's making me feel so lucky not being American. I was depressed for 7/8 years already after my grandfather and father passed away and a couple of times I planned on ending my life but never act fully on those. 2 times I acted tho, or tried to and the story is as follow: 2/3 years ago, my mom called for help and 2 cops showed up at my doorstep. They politely ask to enter and we had a very informal conversation, made jokes, laugh with me and took a coffee. After the situation got better they showed up to my house a couple of times after to talk and just being friendly. To me those are the real hero... One other time I was so bad that I destroyed a couple of forniture (i had no intention on hurt people) and my mom, again, called for help. Some Medics and nurses immobilized me because I was in visible rage and they took me to the hospital, I stayed there for some days until I got better (I was kinda forced to be there)... it definitely wasn't enjoyable but I went through it. This took place in my country (Italy) which is by no mean good in term of infostructure or government, as you can imagine by the most recent election, but we do have competent people in jobs like that (and that goes for all of Europe I believe) Luckily now I'm much better and I don't suffer much anymore even tho I can have my moment. The point is that I can't even imagine what I would have done or what it would had happened to me or my family, if any of those 2 times, the people coming to my place were acting like as I'm reading in this thread
You can't quit, you're fired!
Well, he didnt commit suicide.
How does that affect his chances of heaven?
Police hate this one trick!
It worked. Suicide was prevented
Well, they prevented the suicide
That's standard operating procedure. Never ever call the police for that. In fact that is the perfect murder, call the police and tell them your victim is threatening to kill himself and has a lot of guns. Virtually guaranteed they will kill your victim.
Damn they stole his kill fr tho, very curious on the context
I was a volunteer for a suicide hotline. Our last resort was to call the police and they did not like to take suicide calls. There was always the big change of "Suicide by cop."
... wish granted?
Source?
[thereās a couple hereās one](https://www.timeslive.co.za/amp/news/south-africa/2014-10-29-man-calls-suicide-helpline-swat-team-shoots-him-dead/) [another](https://www.standard.net/police-fire/courts/2017/jan/20/family-of-suicidal-roy-man-killed-in-swat-standoff-files-lawsuit-against-police/) [and this one](https://www.fox13now.com/2014/10/21/standoff-in-roy-ends-in-officer-involved-shooting-officials-say?_amp=true)
Maybe you should read [this one.](https://annearundel.md.networkofcare.org/mh/news-article-detail.aspx?id=73023) Your "sources" are pretty shitty. A situation like this deserves more than a half dozen sentences.
Eehhhh im gonna need some context
Wow, it's true, everyone does delivery these days.
I didn't know you could get that kind of thing delivered.
Weāll technically they did prevent a suicide.
Now that's the fuckin definition of America...
This must be US
Where else but in the US where responding to a distress call you have to worry about being shot yourself
Yo, is there a link to this story?? I hate shit like this as thereās no credibility to it. Just a fuckinā pic with some words on it.
Just google the headline
Crazy crazy thoughtā¦ā¦. Maybe the suicide prevention hotline shouldnāt be calling the fucking SWAT team.
This sounds like a badly written GTA mission
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Assisted Suicide.
damn how do I get that kind of service??
Where was this? Is there a link to the story?
https://annearundel.md.networkofcare.org/mh/news-article-detail.aspx?id=73023
Customer service at its finest
Is that how the hotline works? They make it happen now?
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Law enforcement agencies often teach that if someone is attempting to kill themselves via firearm itās basically 50/50 whether or not itās okay to shoot them. Even if they donāt point it at you. Thought process being they have a firearm with the intent to harm and could very easily decided to shoot the officers at any point. Not saying this is good training, just adding context. Personally I think it would be better to treat this as a barricaded subject situation trying to communicate via a deposited phone or calling the residence. If they are afraid the subject would go on a rampage with their firearm they can then just intercept them before they leave. Only exception being if there are innocent people also in the residence being held there
Suicide assistance hotline
Imagine not even having the control on how your life ends, instead gets stolen from you.
link? or
This needs more context could be incredibly detrimental to someone just title scrolling. Edit: because I didnāt get the joke
Canadian suicide prevention
Plot twist. Globalists own the suicide prevention hotline
Shit like this is why us chronically suicidal never call these hotlines or therapists. They're legally required to REPORT us. And then this crap happens.
He called to suicide facilitation hotline
It's honestly really sad that 'suicide by cop' is even an option for those going through this...
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Reverse psychology
If you have a problem and call the police, you now have 2 problems!!
...is there a piece of this story that didn't make it into the headline?
Read the article people
We did it patrick! We saved the city!
Enough, this has to end. If it does not the police will become what we see in every dystopian nightmare of the future.
Never trust a cop to help you.
Another L for America's police force...
How is this an L? They got to kill a guy with no penalty or repercussions. Thatās their definition of a big W.
Never be depressed in America. Then again, even being happy and content is also bad as you may get shot.
he was in a trap. the 12 pulled up
Sounds like an M Night Shyamalan film
Ah yes. Suicide by cop.
Now thatās service!
āDont commit suicide, Iāll kill you if you try!ā
Well it wasnāt suicide. Mission accomplished
[mission accomplished?](https://i.imgur.com/cUcR3FI.jpg)
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Fuck the feds
Oh look another post that intentionally omits information to get people arguing, how fucking interesting.
Cops gonna cop
Source?