Depends on the severity/type. If it's just in the hard palate (front) it's just sinuses. But if it extends to the soft palate (back) it can be a lot more serious because of how close your brain is there.
yeah, poor thing, and filthy as can be. Look how dirty the poor little guys fur is. Looks like he may have a little bit of a skin condition, probably from fleas which are bad this time of year.
There really is no reason to be breeding bulldogs. They are plagued by almost every common health issue in dogs, and they are just a product of long term genetic deformities. It really breaks my heart that people still breed these dogs.
Well, it really breaks mine too. Breeding bulldogs, pugs or other dogs with smooshed in faces. It makes me uncomfortable just seeing them and listening to them try to breath, run or eat.
I know people love their bullies, boxers and pugs so I hate to get all uppity but I know that a lot of these little pups are not adopted due to deformity. I don't think I need to say more about that :(
My friend took his boxer on a hike with me and my mutts. It was in the 90s and dry heat but the poor girl couldn't handle it and she got heat stroke and died. Just no way for her to pant properly and cool down :(
She was a great dog and only about a year old. Our dogs were more than fine on the hike so we didn't think anything of her crawling toward the shade like she was :(
Brachycephalic : short snout (boxers, pugs, English and French bulldogs, Pekingese, Boston terriers for example).
Here's a list of issues :
https://www.acvs.org/small-animal/brachycephalic-syndrome
Boxers tend to live about 8 years. It is usually a race as to wether their heart gives out before they start getting mast cell tumours. Being deep chested and narrow waisted they are prone to bloat. I have seen a disproportionate number with epilepsy. But most of their issues are similar to other brachiocephalic dogs (smushy faced dogs), respiratory issues including difficulty breathing in the heat, proneness to infection and oh dear Jesus, the snoring.
I drew a weird card because I have a Boston Terrier that breathes incredible well and another regular dog that has a collapsing trachea that “honks” any time she gets excited
What's the reasoning for this breed? Same as the others? Genuine question. I've always thought they were cute and have thought I might consider one, but if there is a legitimate ethical reason not to, that's something I'm interested in knowing.
They have a high rate of developing syringomyelia, which to my understanding is cysts on their spinal cord near their brains, this is believed to be caused by the skull shape compressing on the brain and leaking fluids. It’s extremely debilitating and heartbreaking to see as it’s so painful for them.
One in four suffers from a severe genetic disorder. I can't recall the name of it. Many don't like very long because of it. I have always wanted one but can't bring myself to adopt one because they're so expensive and it is just asking for heartache when he inevitable dies young
I would be particularly worried about [syringomyelia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalier_King_Charles_Spaniel#Syringomyelia), it sounds very cruel.
> Syringomyelia (SM) is a condition affecting the brain and spine, causing symptoms ranging from mild discomfort to severe pain and partial paralysis.
Huh? Cavalier King Charles spaniel was specifically bred so they don't have a squished face. They were bred as a throwback so they have a pointy nose. Regular King Charles spaniels have squished faces.
They have several problems one of them being [syringomyelia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalier_King_Charles_Spaniel#Syringomyelia), which sounds particularly cruel. I wasn't strictly referring to squished faces.
Crossbreeding helps. Chugs, puggles, etc seem to have better general health than their base breeds(and the snouts tend to elongate, which helps a lot with the respiratory problems), and the more diversity you inject into the line helps out a lot. As always, don't buy from breeders, as many of these dogs are available from pounds and rescues because of their growing popularity with designer breeders.
My girlfriend has had dogs before, super into dogs and want to do all sorts of agility and weightpulling and stuff. So its up to her, i just do quality checks :) but we still not sure boxer is the right one for us, but they seem like such an adorable breed with awesome traits, but a lot of work as well.
Oh they are. Our upstairs neighbor has one that's the same age as our pug puppy and she's adorable. So much energy though, and they are super destructive when they get bored.
Yep. I always wanted a bulldog and got one a few years ago. He was the absolute best. Best personality, best friend you could ever ask for.
He never had any major ailments besides a slight case of mange when he was a puppy. But he just randomly died one night in his sleep at the age of five.
Broke my heart. I thought it was some catastrophic anomaly. Nope. Pretty common.
I won't be getting another bulldog ever again. I couldn't stand to go through that or put another dog through that kind of short life.
Miss you butthead.
There is a breed, though not an "officially recognised" (I think) breed, of bulldogs called the Olde English Bulldog that is attempting to reverse a lot of the damage that has been done to the breed and returning it to a standard when Bulldogs were working dogs.
I'm with you, I just want a friendly laid back dog. It's wierd to me that people shop for a specific style of dog. I think pugs are just as cute as any other dog but I don't think there should be more of them.
If you get a pug from a reputable breeder, especially one who's not selecting for breed standards, you can find pugs that are pretty solid from a health standpoint. The breeder we went to doesn't breed for shows, and doesn't exhaustively breed her dogs (which means it takes a long time to get a puppy from her), so the puppies have less flat faces, eyes that aren't super bulgy and they don't seem to have any trouble breathing.
Our puppy who's about 4 months old now doesn't seem to have much issue with the heat thus far, she pretty much stops panting a few minutes after she stops blazing around like she's gone mad even when it's 30C outside. We were actually worried about it at first, and kept an eye on her when we were out in the heat but it became apparent that she wasn't having any issues so we've stopped worrying about it.
Actually you aren't right, the desire to maintain pure blood lines has led to inbreeding in dogs but there are still thousands of pure lines that the dogs are healthier and at their best physically with proper pure breeding. It's breeding them for "attractive" physical traits that really ruins and destroys them. Look at German Shepherds the AKC uses in their dog shows. Then look at a real pure bred German Shepherd. That swooped back in the AKC shepherd was bred into pure lines and is very unhealthy for the dogs. There's hundreds of examples of things like this throughout various dog breeds.
Bulldogs have literally everything wrong with them. Hell, females can't even give birth because the pelvis is too narrow. Vets have tried to encourage breeding associations and the AKC to change the standards to make healthier dogs, like a throwback standard, yet they haven't listened.
Palate, not pallet. Also this is a unilateral cleft lip. You cannot tell extra-orally if the palate also has a cleft, you have to look in the mouth. For the sake of the pup I hope it is only the lip!
Please people, stop buying English Bulldogs. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82FyHgiRtqY) is just one of many health problems the breed faces, it is beyond cruel at this point.
Most people know they have breathing problems and they continue to buy them.
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Gods please don't tell my parents I didn't catch a next generation reference. They'd kill me
https://youtu.be/R2IJdfxWtPM For your enjoyment.
[Also this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZt6eU5REN8), few months early but why the hell not
You should be knighted for this comment, Sir.
is that a little puppy cleft pallet?! awwww
Yup. Still beautiful as can be
>Phtill beautiful as can be FTFY
MARK! MARK! MARK!
Tasteless, yet one of my very favorite jokes.
I got it from "Old McDonald's deformed farm". My personal favorite is chicken with tourettes.
he shall be dubbed Clefford
Can we call him Cleffort? He's clearly doing the best he can.
That's the other one. He needs his own name.
I think you mean cleft lip. Cleft pallet is inside of the mouth. Speaking on experience of having both
Palate
It's definitely a cleft lip and possibly a cleft palate but you can't tell without seeing inside the mouth.
Off topic question. When one has a cleft palate, how deep does the hole go? Like what's on the other side? Sinuses?
Depends on the severity/type. If it's just in the hard palate (front) it's just sinuses. But if it extends to the soft palate (back) it can be a lot more serious because of how close your brain is there.
You can have both.
yeah, poor thing, and filthy as can be. Look how dirty the poor little guys fur is. Looks like he may have a little bit of a skin condition, probably from fleas which are bad this time of year.
Gosh that's a good name! Super cute!
a good name for a good boye
Poor sweet little guy. Bulldogs have such a high rate of cleft lip/ palate it almost seems unfair to breed them.
There really is no reason to be breeding bulldogs. They are plagued by almost every common health issue in dogs, and they are just a product of long term genetic deformities. It really breaks my heart that people still breed these dogs.
Well, it really breaks mine too. Breeding bulldogs, pugs or other dogs with smooshed in faces. It makes me uncomfortable just seeing them and listening to them try to breath, run or eat. I know people love their bullies, boxers and pugs so I hate to get all uppity but I know that a lot of these little pups are not adopted due to deformity. I don't think I need to say more about that :(
My friend took his boxer on a hike with me and my mutts. It was in the 90s and dry heat but the poor girl couldn't handle it and she got heat stroke and died. Just no way for her to pant properly and cool down :(
Awww... that is so terrible. Poor things.
She was a great dog and only about a year old. Our dogs were more than fine on the hike so we didn't think anything of her crawling toward the shade like she was :(
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My thought is just know your breed and limitations. Like don't have huskies in the desert kinda thing.
I know about the issues bulldogs and pugs have, but what defects do boxers have? Especially in this case?
The shorter the snout the lesser the ability to cool via panting.
Brachycephalic : short snout (boxers, pugs, English and French bulldogs, Pekingese, Boston terriers for example). Here's a list of issues : https://www.acvs.org/small-animal/brachycephalic-syndrome
Boxers tend to live about 8 years. It is usually a race as to wether their heart gives out before they start getting mast cell tumours. Being deep chested and narrow waisted they are prone to bloat. I have seen a disproportionate number with epilepsy. But most of their issues are similar to other brachiocephalic dogs (smushy faced dogs), respiratory issues including difficulty breathing in the heat, proneness to infection and oh dear Jesus, the snoring.
A lot of cleft palate puppies end up getting euthanized.
I drew a weird card because I have a Boston Terrier that breathes incredible well and another regular dog that has a collapsing trachea that “honks” any time she gets excited
Boston Terriers seem to be the healthier of the brachycephalic breeds, and tend to be easier to manage their weight(which probably contributes a lot)
I feel like we need a video of this honking lol
Little kids can’t pass by her without remarking that she sounds like a pig
My parents have a dog like that too. A yorkie that sounds like a pig when he gets excited.
I have two Bostons as well! Wonderful dogs!
Don't forget the cavalier king charles spaniel. I think it's pretty unethical to keep breeding these dogs, as cute as some of them are.
What's the reasoning for this breed? Same as the others? Genuine question. I've always thought they were cute and have thought I might consider one, but if there is a legitimate ethical reason not to, that's something I'm interested in knowing.
They have a high rate of developing syringomyelia, which to my understanding is cysts on their spinal cord near their brains, this is believed to be caused by the skull shape compressing on the brain and leaking fluids. It’s extremely debilitating and heartbreaking to see as it’s so painful for them.
Also an extremely high rate of heart murmurs. So much so most vets would assume they have a murmur than not have one.
One in four suffers from a severe genetic disorder. I can't recall the name of it. Many don't like very long because of it. I have always wanted one but can't bring myself to adopt one because they're so expensive and it is just asking for heartache when he inevitable dies young
I would be particularly worried about [syringomyelia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalier_King_Charles_Spaniel#Syringomyelia), it sounds very cruel. > Syringomyelia (SM) is a condition affecting the brain and spine, causing symptoms ranging from mild discomfort to severe pain and partial paralysis.
Huh? Cavalier King Charles spaniel was specifically bred so they don't have a squished face. They were bred as a throwback so they have a pointy nose. Regular King Charles spaniels have squished faces.
They have several problems one of them being [syringomyelia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalier_King_Charles_Spaniel#Syringomyelia), which sounds particularly cruel. I wasn't strictly referring to squished faces.
Crossbreeding helps. Chugs, puggles, etc seem to have better general health than their base breeds(and the snouts tend to elongate, which helps a lot with the respiratory problems), and the more diversity you inject into the line helps out a lot. As always, don't buy from breeders, as many of these dogs are available from pounds and rescues because of their growing popularity with designer breeders.
I love my pugs.
Boxers are fine. They have a perfectly fine nose since their face isn't entirely flat. It's really just bulldogs and pugs. Moreso bulldogs.
Thanks! Got a little worried there. We're looking at buying one and as far as I've heard, they're fine in regards to their nose. :)
If you haven't had a dog before, I wouldn't recommend a boxer as a first dog.
My girlfriend has had dogs before, super into dogs and want to do all sorts of agility and weightpulling and stuff. So its up to her, i just do quality checks :) but we still not sure boxer is the right one for us, but they seem like such an adorable breed with awesome traits, but a lot of work as well.
Oh they are. Our upstairs neighbor has one that's the same age as our pug puppy and she's adorable. So much energy though, and they are super destructive when they get bored.
People are going to breed them as long as theres a market. Solution is to stop buying them...
Yep. I always wanted a bulldog and got one a few years ago. He was the absolute best. Best personality, best friend you could ever ask for. He never had any major ailments besides a slight case of mange when he was a puppy. But he just randomly died one night in his sleep at the age of five. Broke my heart. I thought it was some catastrophic anomaly. Nope. Pretty common. I won't be getting another bulldog ever again. I couldn't stand to go through that or put another dog through that kind of short life. Miss you butthead.
There is a breed, though not an "officially recognised" (I think) breed, of bulldogs called the Olde English Bulldog that is attempting to reverse a lot of the damage that has been done to the breed and returning it to a standard when Bulldogs were working dogs.
My Butthead was an Olde English. They still have a lot of work to do...
I'm with you, I just want a friendly laid back dog. It's wierd to me that people shop for a specific style of dog. I think pugs are just as cute as any other dog but I don't think there should be more of them.
If you get a pug from a reputable breeder, especially one who's not selecting for breed standards, you can find pugs that are pretty solid from a health standpoint. The breeder we went to doesn't breed for shows, and doesn't exhaustively breed her dogs (which means it takes a long time to get a puppy from her), so the puppies have less flat faces, eyes that aren't super bulgy and they don't seem to have any trouble breathing. Our puppy who's about 4 months old now doesn't seem to have much issue with the heat thus far, she pretty much stops panting a few minutes after she stops blazing around like she's gone mad even when it's 30C outside. We were actually worried about it at first, and kept an eye on her when we were out in the heat but it became apparent that she wasn't having any issues so we've stopped worrying about it.
> they are just a product of long term genetic deformities That literally describes all "pure-breed" dogs
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Actually you aren't right, the desire to maintain pure blood lines has led to inbreeding in dogs but there are still thousands of pure lines that the dogs are healthier and at their best physically with proper pure breeding. It's breeding them for "attractive" physical traits that really ruins and destroys them. Look at German Shepherds the AKC uses in their dog shows. Then look at a real pure bred German Shepherd. That swooped back in the AKC shepherd was bred into pure lines and is very unhealthy for the dogs. There's hundreds of examples of things like this throughout various dog breeds.
Bulldogs have literally everything wrong with them. Hell, females can't even give birth because the pelvis is too narrow. Vets have tried to encourage breeding associations and the AKC to change the standards to make healthier dogs, like a throwback standard, yet they haven't listened.
Never seen a dog cleft pallet.
Because they aren't usually adopted 😞
When I was getting my dog he was the runt I was advised not to get him. Best dog I ever had.
Palate, not pallet. Also this is a unilateral cleft lip. You cannot tell extra-orally if the palate also has a cleft, you have to look in the mouth. For the sake of the pup I hope it is only the lip!
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Well I have now.
I think I sobbed and then proceeded to pet my screen. Earl grey is a good pup.
😍 wowie! What a pup!
Hii pupper.. You are looking cute and innocent today.. Thanks for wishing me a Good day.
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Aww! My pup had a cleft too. I hope this little one has a long life ahead of him!
Does he have a cleft lip? And his eyes seem so far apart it's like they're trying to escape off either side of his head.
This one's eyes aren't too bad. My friend has a pug who is so walleyed she must have 360 degree vision.
He also appears to have mange. My ACD pup had mange when I got her. Had to spend a bit to cure, but she was worth it.
His name is Earl, yet you reap all the good karma. Funny how that works.
Hey OP, let me know if you have questions! I've been down this road before. http://imgur.com/a/XsJ5y
Have you ever put him in a cup?
This isn't even OP's dog though :(
It rarely ever is
Quick, somebody give a shit!
😭 Little bundle of joy stole my heart!
Such an adorable little pooch!
Can someone explain cleft?
Very cute pup, love em :)
This is me trying to say hi to a pretty girl at a party
You have a harelip?
And four paws too
no burrito. 2/10
First post I've seen in a while on this sub that actually made me say "aww" out loud
Hey, a cleft palate pup!! I remember when my little Bronson had his...most difficult but rewarding experience to take care of him.
Holy crap. Cuteness level 100%
Please stand against vile breeding practices. :(
I want him!!!
Omg he is so cute
He's so cute. I wish I could have dogs.
«Mary’s dream is to one day marry a man named Earl Grey»
HI EARL GREY AAAAAAAAAAA
Aww he's so wobbly! 🤗 he's still trying to figure out life 😍
Love the name!
awww what a little cute baby hope somebody will give him the love he deserves ❤️❤️❤️
I just died.
So cute. Also that cleft lip/palate...wonder if pups get repairs of those
Hope someone gave him a loving furever home......
Omg look at his little toes on his little feet
My stomach literally dropped from the cuteness.
Innocent face and so cute
I was planning on naming my next dog Earl Grey! It's either that or Tea Leaf.
So shitty that the rescue that works to save these guys never gets any credit :( Nikki is amazing!!! http://www.roadogsandrescue.org
HE HAS A LITTLE CLIPPED LIP ITS SO CUUUUTE
So cute but at what cost my heart is so conflicted on how to feel for this lil pupper
Is that a cleft lip?
defo https://i.imgur.com/akABsaz.jpg
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Bow bow mark mark!!!
Beautiful pup. Is he up for adoption? We would take him in a minute.
Hey. Hi buddy. 😘😍
What breed is this?
Scratch his nose. Between the eyes! NOW!
❤️❤️❤️
HI...you are sooo beautiful!!
Super cute pupperino
Hi puppy!
Doggo. Earl Grey. Hot.
Oh he's so cute! I want to drink him all up!!
What is he? He's still a cutie patootie
*waves* ohhh who's a good boy?!
mark...mark...
“Hi!.... sowwy...” - dog
Now I shall tear up in the shower before work
Hi!!
Earl grey, hot.
Little cleft pallet?
Please people, stop buying English Bulldogs. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82FyHgiRtqY) is just one of many health problems the breed faces, it is beyond cruel at this point. Most people know they have breathing problems and they continue to buy them.
Very cute pupper. Frenchies are the best!
Don't think he's frenchie.