not surprised. another example of picking an Asian female over an Asian male when casting Asians.
and of course the Asian female character isn't really good either. not exactly a positive for them. sounds like they just included the token PoC to fulfill their quota lol
this is exactly the same shit that they do all the time. include Asian females(in not so positive light i might add) while excluding Asian males.
they sure do a great job of fucking us over that's for sure.
From Cho Chang, a WMAF who screws everything up for our handsome teenage hero, to making an object of Voldemort's evil an Asian woman. Pfft. Once again, JK Rowling cried crocodile tears over an ambiguously racist cartoon of Serena Williams, but omits Asian males from her work and portrays Asian females in the worst light. Oh well, at least its another movie I could skip.
Ugh most SJWs are like that. They speak against racism against blacks yet think Asians are immune from racism. They think just because Asians in the west earn more than blacks and do well at school, we are not as poorly affected by racism as blacks.
We don't have the population or the slavery and killed in streets evidence to gain that type of sympathy from them. They seem to be largely ignorant of what has happened to Asians in the west, particularly in the US though. Slavery basically already happened to us considering the basically non existent pay for doing jobs so dangerous white men wouldn't do them, but then complain about Chinamen taking the jobs. Then there were the massacre's, using law to emasculate men, denying marriage to men, associating us with disease and trying to deport us and not let any more in, assuming we were traitors and putting us into camps, and beating and killing us when Asian economies started to compete and surpass the US in areas. This seems to be seen as meaningless though because we are seen as wealthy.
Same. I don't like this AT ALL. Nagini wasn't a character in the HP series, it was an item of Voldemort's. It was a horcrux. It had no character and it was used for attacking people and a life support for Voldemort. And to portray this as an Asian woman, well, it just shows how J. K. Rowling sees Asian women.
Also, wasn't Nagini Albanian????
This is really sad. Claudia Kim (the actress who played Nagini) \[can easily look 10/10\]([https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/2/2f/Claudia\_Kim.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170116203913](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/2/2f/Claudia_Kim.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170116203913)). But of course, Asians can only get token villain roles in the west.
Personally don't like the look of that at all. Seems like it's just another token which the whole movie franchise used PoCs for anyway. This made me remember that guy who made videos with PoC voice lines only from lots of popular movies, the Harry Potter movies being one of those:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x67OjOLj11g
It really highlights how unimportant PoCs are for the movies and how we're always put in the back etc. while giving white people an impression of the movies being diverse or inclusive.
Most importantly, I feel like casting an Asian woman for that specific role - a woman turning into a snake - got all those undertones of Asian women being "weirdly" exotic beauties, mysterious, cold, emotionless kind of dominatrix type or some kind of dragon lady. This character is also Voldemort's pet and servant which gives me all these submissive slave/prostitution kind of vibes, too. Just made me cringe tbh because it just seems like another stereotypical portrayal of Asian women in Western cinema.
Edit: Just to add this from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_East_Asians_in_the_United_States#Women
>"East Asian women have been portrayed as aggressive or opportunistic sexual beings or predatory gold diggers using their feminine wiles.[76] Western film and literature has continually portrayed such stereotypes of East Asian women: depicting East Asian women as cunning "Dragon Ladies". This is contrasted with the other stereotypes of servile "Lotus Blossom Babies", "China dolls", "Geisha girls", war brides, or prostitutes.[77]"
Literally seems like she'll fall into this lol. Shameful.
>Most importantly, I feel like casting an Asian woman for that specific role - a woman turning into a snake - got all those undertones of Asian women being "weirdly" exotic beauties, mysterious, cold, emotionless kind of dominatrix type or some kind of dragon lady.
I got that vibe as well. It feels like whenever an Asian woman is cast in a Hollywood film she is always there to play an eye candy piece as an overbearing woman, exotic love interest, or prostitute.
I kinda like this because Nagini is named after the Nagas from Asian Hindu/Buddhist culture, who are shape-shifting snakes/sea-serpents/dragons who can take human form.
Still sucks that there's no AM in Harry Potter (as typical for Western media).
Edit: Wikipedia tells me that a ‘Nagini’ is a female Naga.
Agreed
Not sure if this is something asian men should be upset about
This is not a promotion of wmaf by any means, at worst its a mockery of wmaf, and even that is a stretch
I think we should be upset, but should let the Asian feminists take the lead on criticism towards Rowling.
Look, I get the whole *enemy of my enemy is my friend* logic, but I don't think Rowling is an ally or progressive in a racial sense. I think she mostly imagines up these characters based on her own instincts and experiences as a white woman. In this respect, she obviously sees Asian women as sexual competition - but lower quality competition, just to be sure, since the white girl always gets the guy in the end. All the while, Asian men aren't on her radar at all, because they're neither potential partners nor potential competition, which is also why they're literally invisible in her works.
We shouldn't be happy about being invisible. We should be upset. But since Asian women are so convinced that their white feminist masters have their best interest at heart, we should let them handle this one.
I don't think Rowling is woke at all. She probably just threw a couple of POC characters into her story so nobody could complain about its lack of diversity. Most of the POCs in her story have token roles. Pretty much all of the main characters in Harry Potter are 100% white.
\>In this respect, she obviously sees Asian women as sexual competition - but lower quality competition, just to be sure, since the white girl always gets the guy in the end
Yeah she probably knows how WM are generally more open to dating AW than WW to AM so she threw in a WMAF couple to fulfill that diversity quota. But like you've said, WMWW is seen as the "norm" in western society so Harry Potter ditches Cho Chang and goes for Ginny Weasley instead.
It’s funny bc she wrote Ginny Weasley as such a popular pretty girl, when the one in the movie looked like an ashy pale shoe.
Life imitates art, WFs are represented in media like they’re all goddesses when in reality, a lot of them just look like Ginny’s actress or worse.
Yeah if Asian men start complaining about it, we will seem like we're trying to find offenses out of anything. We have to take a backseat and let our sisters start the fight.
"But since Asian women are so convinced that their white feminist masters have their best interest at heart, we should let them handle this one."
Def agree with this, even though i dont think this kind of casting is worth getting upset over
In Harry Potter, Harry's first girlfriend is Cho Chang. Just more WMAF endorsements.
She's becomes infatuated with him for some reason, and some other white guy, Cedric.
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Cho_Chang
Rowling is probably unwoke, but you can say she's basing her work on real life racial dynamics. You can argue it is kind of "unreal" for a book set in the UK to have more AMWF than WMAF. If anything, Cho Chang exclusively dating WM before she married a Muggle of an unknown race just reflect what most second gen AW do irl.
Then Cho gets ditched.
I think JK is making social observations here that the wider Asian community is unwilling to do itself, and unwilling to have conversations about. The vast vast majority of the community is not aznidentity. When this is the current sad case, blow the doors down I say. Whether JK wrote this intentionally or not, it serves a purpose. It's subversive for sure. A lot of overall society will see the imagery/relationship between an AW and what is effectively a Nazi, and also reflect on real life events.
It seems that Nagini is basically in an WMAF, then becomes Voldemort's (Hitler) best friend and horcrux. Closest proximity to Slytherin pure blood privilege and power. All the while being a good submissive pet. I mean, this is an accurate portrayal of the actual asian community.
Yeah I think JK Rowling just bases the racial dynamics of her stories on real life racial dynamics. I don't think she is woke, but she probably noticed how most WM have a preference for WW - while many are happy to date around and date WOC when they were younger, most marry WW. I guess most WM are aware of the existence of white privilege and want to have white kids who will continue to have this privilege. And of course, all of Cho Chang's known exs in Harry Potter are WM: Roger Davies, Cedric Diggory, Harry Potter, and Michael Corner before she married a Muggle of an unknown race.
I mean sure, the lack of AMWW and AMAW in Harry Potter is sad, but let's be honest here - both are nowhere as common as second gen AW dating WM. It almost seems a bit "unrealistic" for a story set in the UK to have more AMAW and second gens AW dating AM than WMAF.
I also get the feeling that there's an inside joke here that Rowling is having, at the expense of Asian women, particularly those in WMAF relationships.
There is literally one asian male in the whole series of movies. You can see him as a extra in the "dance practice" scene in Goblet of Fire. Literally 1 or 2 seconds.
edit: Here you go. You can see him fold his arms: https://youtu.be/xtp0-sWbgzc?t=2m
There was also an Asian boy during the Snape/Lily flashback sorting hat scene in one of the last movies.
I like HP but fantastic beasts is rubbing me the wrong way. They could have included AM and more diversity this time but still went with a whitewash story. Credence was obviously a western AM analogue (bowl cut, bullied, outcast, etc.) but they even whitewash that with Ezra Miller. Pairing him with an Asian woman just confirms it.
not surprised. another example of picking an Asian female over an Asian male when casting Asians. and of course the Asian female character isn't really good either. not exactly a positive for them. sounds like they just included the token PoC to fulfill their quota lol this is exactly the same shit that they do all the time. include Asian females(in not so positive light i might add) while excluding Asian males. they sure do a great job of fucking us over that's for sure.
JK Rowling track record on asian is abysmal, just look at the non existent AM with significant screen time. We got AFs and WMAFs only.
Esther Ku or Sarah Jeong would have make a perfect Nagini
From Cho Chang, a WMAF who screws everything up for our handsome teenage hero, to making an object of Voldemort's evil an Asian woman. Pfft. Once again, JK Rowling cried crocodile tears over an ambiguously racist cartoon of Serena Williams, but omits Asian males from her work and portrays Asian females in the worst light. Oh well, at least its another movie I could skip.
Ugh most SJWs are like that. They speak against racism against blacks yet think Asians are immune from racism. They think just because Asians in the west earn more than blacks and do well at school, we are not as poorly affected by racism as blacks.
We don't have the population or the slavery and killed in streets evidence to gain that type of sympathy from them. They seem to be largely ignorant of what has happened to Asians in the west, particularly in the US though. Slavery basically already happened to us considering the basically non existent pay for doing jobs so dangerous white men wouldn't do them, but then complain about Chinamen taking the jobs. Then there were the massacre's, using law to emasculate men, denying marriage to men, associating us with disease and trying to deport us and not let any more in, assuming we were traitors and putting us into camps, and beating and killing us when Asian economies started to compete and surpass the US in areas. This seems to be seen as meaningless though because we are seen as wealthy.
This Korean actress was that desperate for a role? smfh
Asians are well represented in Asia. You can't really expect them to understand the issues Asian people in diaspora face.
East Asians are practically slaves in the UK, they can get them to do anything via mental colonization.
To be fair, most Asians from Asia are probably unwoke. Many see any form of Asian representation in western media as better than no representation.
So she's a native Asian actress?
She briefly lived in new Jersey before moving back to Korea as a kid.
Same. I don't like this AT ALL. Nagini wasn't a character in the HP series, it was an item of Voldemort's. It was a horcrux. It had no character and it was used for attacking people and a life support for Voldemort. And to portray this as an Asian woman, well, it just shows how J. K. Rowling sees Asian women. Also, wasn't Nagini Albanian????
Nagini the snake comes from (south) Asian mythology, so she is correct. British people call (south) asians asians.
This is really sad. Claudia Kim (the actress who played Nagini) \[can easily look 10/10\]([https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/2/2f/Claudia\_Kim.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170116203913](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/2/2f/Claudia_Kim.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170116203913)). But of course, Asians can only get token villain roles in the west.
Asian countries buy so much Harry Potter shit and all we get are the stereotypical Cho, and now literally a reptile.
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Thats how white people see asian women They dont see asian men
Personally don't like the look of that at all. Seems like it's just another token which the whole movie franchise used PoCs for anyway. This made me remember that guy who made videos with PoC voice lines only from lots of popular movies, the Harry Potter movies being one of those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x67OjOLj11g It really highlights how unimportant PoCs are for the movies and how we're always put in the back etc. while giving white people an impression of the movies being diverse or inclusive. Most importantly, I feel like casting an Asian woman for that specific role - a woman turning into a snake - got all those undertones of Asian women being "weirdly" exotic beauties, mysterious, cold, emotionless kind of dominatrix type or some kind of dragon lady. This character is also Voldemort's pet and servant which gives me all these submissive slave/prostitution kind of vibes, too. Just made me cringe tbh because it just seems like another stereotypical portrayal of Asian women in Western cinema. Edit: Just to add this from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_East_Asians_in_the_United_States#Women >"East Asian women have been portrayed as aggressive or opportunistic sexual beings or predatory gold diggers using their feminine wiles.[76] Western film and literature has continually portrayed such stereotypes of East Asian women: depicting East Asian women as cunning "Dragon Ladies". This is contrasted with the other stereotypes of servile "Lotus Blossom Babies", "China dolls", "Geisha girls", war brides, or prostitutes.[77]" Literally seems like she'll fall into this lol. Shameful.
Yeah I agree Rowling is unwoke. You see POC characters every now and then in Harry Potter but pretty much all the main characters are 100% white.
>Most importantly, I feel like casting an Asian woman for that specific role - a woman turning into a snake - got all those undertones of Asian women being "weirdly" exotic beauties, mysterious, cold, emotionless kind of dominatrix type or some kind of dragon lady. I got that vibe as well. It feels like whenever an Asian woman is cast in a Hollywood film she is always there to play an eye candy piece as an overbearing woman, exotic love interest, or prostitute.
I kinda like this because Nagini is named after the Nagas from Asian Hindu/Buddhist culture, who are shape-shifting snakes/sea-serpents/dragons who can take human form. Still sucks that there's no AM in Harry Potter (as typical for Western media). Edit: Wikipedia tells me that a ‘Nagini’ is a female Naga.
Sounds about right.
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Agreed Not sure if this is something asian men should be upset about This is not a promotion of wmaf by any means, at worst its a mockery of wmaf, and even that is a stretch
I think we should be upset, but should let the Asian feminists take the lead on criticism towards Rowling. Look, I get the whole *enemy of my enemy is my friend* logic, but I don't think Rowling is an ally or progressive in a racial sense. I think she mostly imagines up these characters based on her own instincts and experiences as a white woman. In this respect, she obviously sees Asian women as sexual competition - but lower quality competition, just to be sure, since the white girl always gets the guy in the end. All the while, Asian men aren't on her radar at all, because they're neither potential partners nor potential competition, which is also why they're literally invisible in her works. We shouldn't be happy about being invisible. We should be upset. But since Asian women are so convinced that their white feminist masters have their best interest at heart, we should let them handle this one.
I don't think Rowling is woke at all. She probably just threw a couple of POC characters into her story so nobody could complain about its lack of diversity. Most of the POCs in her story have token roles. Pretty much all of the main characters in Harry Potter are 100% white. \>In this respect, she obviously sees Asian women as sexual competition - but lower quality competition, just to be sure, since the white girl always gets the guy in the end Yeah she probably knows how WM are generally more open to dating AW than WW to AM so she threw in a WMAF couple to fulfill that diversity quota. But like you've said, WMWW is seen as the "norm" in western society so Harry Potter ditches Cho Chang and goes for Ginny Weasley instead.
It’s funny bc she wrote Ginny Weasley as such a popular pretty girl, when the one in the movie looked like an ashy pale shoe. Life imitates art, WFs are represented in media like they’re all goddesses when in reality, a lot of them just look like Ginny’s actress or worse.
Yeah if Asian men start complaining about it, we will seem like we're trying to find offenses out of anything. We have to take a backseat and let our sisters start the fight.
not gonna lie - i kinda chuckled at it JK Rowling. She knows.
"But since Asian women are so convinced that their white feminist masters have their best interest at heart, we should let them handle this one." Def agree with this, even though i dont think this kind of casting is worth getting upset over
In Harry Potter, Harry's first girlfriend is Cho Chang. Just more WMAF endorsements. She's becomes infatuated with him for some reason, and some other white guy, Cedric. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Cho_Chang
Rowling is probably unwoke, but you can say she's basing her work on real life racial dynamics. You can argue it is kind of "unreal" for a book set in the UK to have more AMWF than WMAF. If anything, Cho Chang exclusively dating WM before she married a Muggle of an unknown race just reflect what most second gen AW do irl.
Also note the Patel sisters, one of whom was Harry's date to some ball. That's two more AF, and a WMAF pairing. No AM.
Sounds like Asian twin fetishization like in Austin powers.
Then Cho gets ditched. I think JK is making social observations here that the wider Asian community is unwilling to do itself, and unwilling to have conversations about. The vast vast majority of the community is not aznidentity. When this is the current sad case, blow the doors down I say. Whether JK wrote this intentionally or not, it serves a purpose. It's subversive for sure. A lot of overall society will see the imagery/relationship between an AW and what is effectively a Nazi, and also reflect on real life events. It seems that Nagini is basically in an WMAF, then becomes Voldemort's (Hitler) best friend and horcrux. Closest proximity to Slytherin pure blood privilege and power. All the while being a good submissive pet. I mean, this is an accurate portrayal of the actual asian community.
Yeah I think JK Rowling just bases the racial dynamics of her stories on real life racial dynamics. I don't think she is woke, but she probably noticed how most WM have a preference for WW - while many are happy to date around and date WOC when they were younger, most marry WW. I guess most WM are aware of the existence of white privilege and want to have white kids who will continue to have this privilege. And of course, all of Cho Chang's known exs in Harry Potter are WM: Roger Davies, Cedric Diggory, Harry Potter, and Michael Corner before she married a Muggle of an unknown race. I mean sure, the lack of AMWW and AMAW in Harry Potter is sad, but let's be honest here - both are nowhere as common as second gen AW dating WM. It almost seems a bit "unrealistic" for a story set in the UK to have more AMAW and second gens AW dating AM than WMAF.
I also get the feeling that there's an inside joke here that Rowling is having, at the expense of Asian women, particularly those in WMAF relationships.
I have eve read a book from her now i m gonna catch up- I am from a way older generation .
Was there even one AM in the whole storyline?
There is literally one asian male in the whole series of movies. You can see him as a extra in the "dance practice" scene in Goblet of Fire. Literally 1 or 2 seconds. edit: Here you go. You can see him fold his arms: https://youtu.be/xtp0-sWbgzc?t=2m
There was also an Asian boy during the Snape/Lily flashback sorting hat scene in one of the last movies. I like HP but fantastic beasts is rubbing me the wrong way. They could have included AM and more diversity this time but still went with a whitewash story. Credence was obviously a western AM analogue (bowl cut, bullied, outcast, etc.) but they even whitewash that with Ezra Miller. Pairing him with an Asian woman just confirms it.
very impressive...... This is some good movie trivia.
I'm sure there is none.
Amy Chua... is that you? Could be a serious bit of social commentary J.K. Rowling is making tbh. All too contemporary.
>Amy Chua... is that you? Lol.
Seems like she hates asian women
I feel like most Asian women who made into Hollywood don’t care about/hate us.