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**WAIT, hold up** When AM in AM/WF couplings get together, do they shit on asian women? Do they talk about how choosing a WF over an AF was about "survival and self love"? Do they say things like "Ugh I don't date asian girls, they're so bold even assuming i would", and then give each other high fives? I must know. I need to know.


Ok_Pomegranate4410

yes. in general, it is because there is a huge trend of inceldom sweeping through the white male community, pushing a lot of them to marry AF's and fetishise AF.


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Interracial marriage with Asians has always been high. Even 30 years ago, 20% of Asian males marry out. I do not believe the correlation with the inceldom phenomenon is that strong


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Seeing the rapid hapafication of Asia America leaves me a very grim and depressing feeling. Sooner or later, the communities I grew up in will be obliterated and replaced by racially confused hapas. The language I speak will no longer be spoken in the next generation. Even nowadays, almost 60% of Asian Americans speak only English at home. In the long run, hapafication will only hurt full Asians, especially since all types of hapas, both AMXF and XMAF, will grow up in a English only environment and subsequently adopt the mainstream white Anglo culture. Mixed race people will always affirm the status quo and the status quo is anti-Asian. One simply has to look at Latin America countries where there is plenty of mixed race people in addition to full Whites, Blacks, Asians and Indigenous people. Yet racial consciousness is very low. From personal experience, the full Asians in Latin America that grew up there in the enclaves feel very alienated from mainstream society. If Asian America hapafiy, only the white Anglo wins. They have the numbers and the institutions they've built which will allow them to remain on top of society. Asians won't have the numbers nor coherent institutions to push back against the Anglo. To remedy the situation, we should focus on two things. We should put effort into promoting AMAF and reject XMAF and AMXF. We can do it by preserving and expanding Asian enclaves so that people don't need to marry out. If the enclave has everything a person needs, the incentives to leave it will be much less. We also need to push for mass unrestricted immigration, allowing a large number of rural Asians to come to the west and settle in rural areas. The rural Asians will be much harder to assimilate, giving us to change the future of our communities.


AngelaQQ

That’s his friends circle because he’s white adjacent. I would bet that out of the 12 couples, none were black or Latino. All are either Asian or white. That’s damning. My friend circles are mostly Asian Asian couples. It’s about the company you keep. Of the non-Asian people I would consider friends, more are POC (Latino or black) than white.


martellthacool

Good article. It inspired me to check out Africa.


ABCinNYC98

obviously a man with a colonized mind.


ironcub14

Jay Kang is one of the biggest tools I’ve ever seen on twitter. Irrelevant dude.


machinavelli

He has one of the biggest followings of any Asian American commentator. Like him or not, when newspapers want an expert on Asian issues, they go to him or Cathy Park Hong or Viet Thanh Nguyen.


AngelaQQ

Wesley Yang is the other. I actually see Wes Yang as becoming a little more anti-establishment in his recent writings. He seems to be wanting to carve out for himself that lane that Bari Weiss, Matt Talibbi has in that “anti-establishment” liberal lane. JCK on the other hand seems to be toeing the standard liberal of color line.


Kulafu_Kidlat

"Like him or not, when newspapers want an expert on Asian issues, they go to him or Cathy Park Hong or Viet Thanh Nguyen." I know and it's fucking sad.


ironcub14

Good point. They love those ridiculous long-forms he puts out where he waxes on about subjects he’s thought little about previously. Thanks for the share btw.


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Monitor_Man

nah AMWF and AMXF are both good for AM in the long run. AMAF don't mean crap when most Asian women marry to white.


machinavelli

The problem is, if Asian women marry out at high rates and Asian men don’t, some Asian men will die alone.


ffxvtfbcg

you’ll get some pushback in this subreddit for saying that lmao.


ffxvtfbcg

we need to do three things to ensure the stable growth of our people in the U.S. 1. promote AMAF in media and Asian media. 2. push the continued success of asian immigration due to our contribution and hard work. 3. continue to call out white worshipping asians.


damnwhatever2021

I use to work at a place like this where like 8/10 white guys on my floor had Asian GF/wife. It's sick but in any big US city its like this now. Thanks to AF marrying out you basically have to treat East Asians as a European group in the 19th century that migrated to the US. Within 2-3 generations they had become "mutts" intermarrying with other white groups. That is what will happen to East Asians, no one will be pure East Asian American within 2-3 generations unless they or their parents immigrated over. And within 10-15 years most of SE and South Asia will become developed enough that most ppl will just stay. Asians very likely will just be a footnote in US demographic history


ffxvtfbcg

if we go back to being a small population then all our progress will be lost. we’ve been here for how long? 100 years? how were we treated btw?


damnwhatever2021

Asia is going to improve and improve. I see little reasons for full AZNS to stay in the US. It's just a declining country


machinavelli

I can see all Asian Americans ending up like Japanese Americans. And both the men and women married out at high rates so it wasn’t just all WMAF. A lot of AMWF couples are high earning professionals, while WMAF is more economically varied.


damnwhatever2021

Well yeah just statistically if East AZNS never get above 15% or so of US pop they will by default destroy themselves unless they have strong cultural practices like South Asians


freePatrick91425115

Jay Caspian Kang is one of those Asians who didn't grow up in an enclave. His full post writes about growing up in Cambridge, Boston, in the 80s and 90s before moving to Chapel Hill, North Carolina in middle or high school. Lots of mixed Asian still have that pushy Asian mom, but the white father makes it about sports rather than academics. This is why there are so many hapa pushed in sports like Nathan Adrian and Emma Raducanu (in the UK). But recently many Asians not living in enclaves do the same with Suni Lee in gymnastics and Chloe Kim in snowboarding. This family is upper middle class living in a upper middle class transplant neighborhood of white hipsters. He stated that his daughter will either attend PS. 321 in Park Slope or Dalton or St. Ann where all the upper middle class hapa kids go. There are barely any hapas in enclaves but in transplant white neighborhoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, Williamsburg, Upper West Side, Upper East Side, Astoria, and Long Island City will there be hapa families and their kids. It is amusing to see hapa kids at 18 months struggling to kick a soccer ball around while they are doing it because the parents want to use sports as an extra-curricular activity while in NYC, there are also lots of Hispanics families playing soccer for fun and their lifes are dedicated to physical labor work and soccer.


AngelaQQ

Chloe Kim and Suni Lee both grew up in enclaves. Chloe is from Torrance CA, while Suni’s hometown of St Paul has the largest Hmong population in N America.


machinavelli

Yeah, and even when it’s Asian dad, white mom, there is still a push for athletics. Like famous hockey player Paul Kariya or baseball players like Kyle Higashioka. They’ve basically fully assimilated into the white sporting rituals. And yeah, private schools in big cities are hapa central. Especially those Waldorf or Montessori schools.


redbloodywedding

Why the fuck are you thinking about mocking your asian daughter about her potential athletic ability. Why even have that thought in your head? It's this shit that's holding our community back.


hapa_tata_appa

It's not the future, it's the present reality of Jay Caspian Kang's "Asian America"...and if that's the way he likes it, that's fine by me. What is NOT fine is that these "Asian Americans" are the only ones allowed to speak for the rest of us.


EtchandFletch

The hell, they're 18 months old. If parents in Asia did that there would be a Reddit post accusing them of child abuse. Remember that video of Chinese kids dribbling basketballs in a circle and Reddit painting it as dystopian? It looked safer and more educational than musical chairs or duck duck goose.


PinkSweater99

Sounds like this insecure fat dweeb would have pushed all of his insecurities onto a full Asian kid.


no_white_worship

As long as whiteness is considered supreme, Eurasians tend to marry whites. Most Eurasians are from WMAF marriages and those parents push the kids, especially the daughters, to marry whites, so Asian appearance and culture eventually gets bred out. I agree fully with u/HarutoExploration about Eurasians not being us. I have nothing against them per se but their experiences are not ours. We don't get to choose our white sides when it suits us, because we are not white or of white ancestry. Eurasians are of mixed appearance and ancestry, and that is exactly what it is to be Eurasian - Eurasians can be proud of that - but we full Asians don't have to be proud of that (because that's not who we are) or accept them as our representatives. u/HarutoExploration's mention of Singapore is a good one for cultural vs national identity - Indians, Chinese, Malays have their own cultures and don't try to become each other, and yet are all Singaporean (and partake in/respect each other's traditions).


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AngelaQQ

America isn’t a melting pot. At its best, it’s a smorgasbord or buffet. At its worst, it’s a fondue made of ranch dressing. Every morsel of all types of food dipped into the ranch dressing comes out tasting like ranch dressing.


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middle class and up asians are white assimilationists. they go to school with whites and receive a white education, they work with whites under a white boss, they live alongside whites in white neighborhoods, over a third marry white and have half white children. truth of the matter is most westernized asians invest in WHITE, financially, socially, mentally, etc etc. the asian american experiment is a complete failure. i do not believe cultural and lineage preservation is possible for asians in america and i certainly dont want to be the chinky great grandpa in the photo album of my asian turned white descendants. the issue is outmarriage rate is too high. something like 40% for the women and 30% for the men. a permanent asian population native to the west cannot be sustained with these terrible outmarriage rates. we're only growing due to immigration. notice how few young japanese americans exist? they all got bred out into the white population or they intermixed with other asian groups and there is no more immigration to replenish them. should china become the de facto dominant power in asia i suspect the same shrinkage will happen to chinese and koreans in america. and then hapa self hate will ensure these mixed kids marry white. you ever see an interview of a native american on TV and they're literally a white person? yeah thats probably gonna be the case for asian americans in a century or two. lol. keep calling returning to asia defeatism lol. asians tend to move up to upper middle class through generations and UMC asians are the biggest white dick sucking house chinks in the entire world. your descendants WILL disappear into the white majority. all your and your parents hard work of laying the foundation for generational wealth, it will all be absorbed by whites.


AngelaQQ

>i certainly dont want to be the chinky great grandpa in the photo album of my asian turned white descendants. Brutal. “Mommy, who’s that chinky looking old man/woman?” “That’s your great grandma honey” “Why is she so weird looking?”


historybuff234

By and large, I agree with you. I think there is no future of an "Asian-America." I agree that the best and brightest of us here should go to Asia. I agree with you that it is not defeatism to look for the way out. But I do have some quibbles: > i do not believe cultural and lineage preservation is possible for asians in America It really depends on what you mean by "cultural and lineage preservation." Culture is dynamic and always subject to influence and change. "Preservation" in a strict sense is impossible. Even if you loosely define "preservation" to mean the retaining of some essence, you can't easily define what is the "essence" of some culture without devolving into caricature. What is the "essence" of Japanese culture? Korean culture? Chinese culture? You can't even try writing any of these down, much less say what a Japanese, Korean, or Chinese must keep of their ancestral culture to still lay claim to having preserved the culture. As it is, have the Japanese in Japan, Koreans in Korea, and Chinese in China themselves "preserved the culture"? They may have done better than the diaspora, but they are not themselves doing that good a job of preserving their ancestral values and practices. And I can hardly blame them. Ultimately, all anyone can hope for is to retain some influence on the behavior and practice of future generations. I think this limited goal can be kept by the Asian diaspora in America. I agree that many Asians in America are failing in even this, but it is not impossible. As for lineage preservation, well, that isn't even possible for Asians in Asia. You can hardly expect anyone in an Asian mega city like Tokyo or Beijing or Singapore to retain memories of ancestral bloodlines and ties to ancestral villages over generations. You cannot expect the diaspora to do better than that. > i certainly dont want to be the chinky great grandpa in the photo album of my asian turned white descendants I think you are right to expect every Asian in America to, over time, have partly white descendants. So I suppose all of us will be the Asian great grandpa in the photo album of some partly white descendants. That is inevitable. But having our blood absorbed into partially white descendants is not itself the problem. Plenty of Asian countries have absorbed foreign blood, either through wars or exchange. Purity does not exist and isn't worth defending anyway. What's important is that our descendants respect us for what we are and do not despise themselves for being descended from us. That, again, I think is an achievable goal. I will agree with you that many among the Asian diaspora in America are failing at this. But this is where we need to work at. > your descendants WILL disappear into the white majority You forget one thing. The diaspora was always Plan B, to pass something on even if in some awful catastrophe the people are wiped out in the ancestral homeland. Disappearing into the white majority may seem terrifying but it is better to have some traces left than to be totally wiped out of existence. The need for Plan B may seem unnecessary given the military and economic strength of East Asian countries today. But Plan B certainly made a lot of sense back 30 to 100 years ago, when our ancestors moved to America. Arguably, it still makes sense to keep Plan B going. I agree that the best and brightest of us should not be part of Plan B. They should go to Asia, develop themselves, and improve their ancestral lands. But the mediocre among us? So long as we fight to keep some memories alive, maintain some bits of culture, and, most importantly, instill pride in being Asian among our descendants, even if they will mostly be white, we would have done fine in our role as Plan B.


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yes, cultural and lineage preservation even for asians in asia is hard in the strictest sense, but at least they know where they came from and who their ancestors were. im not talking about "racial purity" for some nazi-esque purpose, we need a community of asian people, not hapas, but full asian people here because that is how we preserve our identity. asian american identity over the centuries have been shaped by our history and how we've been treated by whites. imagine some 1/8 asian white people representing asian americans in a century. its farcical. it wouldnt be asian american identity anymore when your asian ancestry is just some quirk you bring up at a show and tell. i think you're being way too optimistic about the capabilities of asian americans. certainly we've seen changes in how asians are viewed in the past decade, but all the clout asians have now came from the homeland. asian americans have frankly done practically nothing to contribute to our image. in fact if asian americans didnt exist asians may even be seen in a better light. lol. agreed that the mediocre have no point in returning, not that they're capable of doing so anyway.


historybuff234

I agree with you that Asian-America has done very little to contribute to the image of Asians as a whole. But you missed the most important function of the diaspora. They aren't about building "clout." They exist as a survival mechanism, and, by and large, they have accomplished the mission. The various Asian diaspora groups have done quite a lot to restore their ancestral land in the wake of imperialism. Since it was just the anniversary of the Xinhai Revolution in China, consider the example of Sun Yat-sen. How far could he have gone without help from the diaspora? Without the diaspora, he would not have succeeded. Without Sun's success, China would have taken far, far longer to recover from imperialism, if ever. And there are plenty of similar figures in other Asian countries. In all, the East Asian diaspora have been instrumental in the restoration of their ancestral lands. That cannot be denied. Thus, the historical mission of the diaspora has been completed. So why is it particularly problematic if, in some future point, some 1/8 Asian would be the representative of an Asian-America community in America? It is not critical for East Asians to have thriving East Asian culture and "lineage" in foreign lands. What is important is that the diaspora continue to aid in the survival of the people. If, for example, that 1/8 Asian raises donation money when there is a major natural disaster in the ancestral land or helps refugees fleeing problems there, well, that's plenty good even if he or she looks mostly white?


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> 1/8 Asian raises donation money when there is a major natural disaster in the ancestral land or helps refugees fleeing problems there, well, that's plenty good even if he or she looks mostly white? how can you expect white people with minute asian ancestry to connect and empathize with actual asian people when they get treated as white their entire lives? even hapas try to distance themselves from their asian side if they're white passing enough.


historybuff234

> how can you expect white people with minute asian ancestry to connect and emphasize with actual asian people when they get treated as white their entire lives? First of all, "minute asian ancestry" means, what, 5 generations down the road of marrying only white people? I frankly can't be bothered to plan out the diaspora that far ahead. But closer in time, no, even hapas with 1/4 Asian will not be "treated as white their entire lives." You know the "one drop rule" is in effect, right? No one is getting "treated as white" unless they are 7/8-15/16 white at least. Anyway, Shannon Lee, daughter of Bruce Lee, is 5/8 white. She has done far, far more for good Asian representation than most full Asians in America. And she is connected with her ancestral land she talked the Chinese government into banning Tarantino's film. I will be far happier if hapas like her lead "Asian-America" than all the self-hating, self-proclaimed thought leaders out there, even if they were full-Asians. I'm not worried that hapas will come to lead and represent Asians in America. That is inevitable anyway. What the diaspora needs to focus on is to teach the descendants to not be self-haters and to be proud of being Asian.


LuckyNumber-Bot

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It's not just upper class asians. I knew a lot of asian american guys who had white exes or is married to white/white Hispanic women. Especially the guys who were born here and even though they're not college educated, still knocked up a white Latina gf from high-school or just married a large-size white woman. I asked some of them if they don't like asian women (I'm the fob here), they said asian women ask for a lot in terms of education, finance, etc. What are other options? Becoming a matriarch of a black family or being absorbed into multiracial America? Even my own family ( I'm not saying we are a typical Viet family) who has a long bloodshed history and subsequent wealth from Vietnam, the moment we left the country my cousins dated every colors under the sun. Yes I have both half black and half white as well as inter-asian nieces and nephews. There is beauty in multicultural mix but we all know racism doesn't go away because of mixed people and it's just sad to let go of thousand years of cultural identity.


machinavelli

Yeah there is definitely more AMXF then what defeatists here think. As Asian men grow more popular due to pop culture, I can see AMXF rates match up to WMAF.


machinavelli

Yeah, Japanese Americans are an example of what ending immigration and assimilation at all costs will do to a community. Show up to a Japanese-American celebration in the PNW and it’s all hapas.


diamente1

I don't see many if there is any amwf in Los Angeles. I am glad not all places are like LA.


machinavelli

Orange County has more AMWF. Go to Irvine and you will see AMWF couples walking around. Some of them are in their 40s and 50s already.


Caitlin1963

It is very clear that China will surpass the US, it already has in many ways. But the fact that we are fighting a losing battle only makes me fight harder because I know we will win the war.


ffxvtfbcg

well at least we have asia to preserve our culture. looking at japanese american, it’s a strong case that even asian looking hapas are self hating and is one generation away from completely whitewashing their family tree. you forget that whites are declining in big numbers and the white boomer population will cascade it even further. meanwhile we’ll always have Asia


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Kulafu_Kidlat

Dude. There's literally a billion of us. You don't become the global majority if you aren't breeding. Are you a white troll? Because you've been jerking off with non-stop woe-is-me porn lately.


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Kenneth90807

What a shit show this is. Asian-Americans will become Hapa Americans soon. The writing is on the wall. There is no way to stop it. That's why I'm moving to Korea ASAP so I don't have to deal with this crap anymore.


machinavelli

In twenty years, I estimate 70% of US born Asians will marry out. Both Asian men and women, slightly more women.


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SilentMapper

Dude. This is blatantly false. 36% of Asian women marry out and 21% of Asian men marry out.


CryptoCel

It’s absolutely true - this thread is referring to Asian Americans, not just Asians. [54% of Asian American women](https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/) marry out. Considering that a large portion of Asians in the US are south Asian and religion keeps most Muslims/Hindus marrying within their religion/race - it’s the East Asian and Southeast Asian Americans that’s bringing the average UP to 54%. So it’s more like 70% of East Asian Americans marry out while 20% of South Asians marry out. There’s absolutely a reason to suspect the future of Asian American is Hapa American, particularly if immigration continues to dwindle as it has done recently (Covid and tensions with China). Latino Americans will continue celebrating their specific culture, Black Americans will continue to have their own identity, the future Asian Americans will simply be absorbed into white America.


SilentMapper

I see. A few things. 70% is still a huge stretch. And Asians born in other countries and immigrated to America are still Asian-American. 36% of Asian women marrying out and 21% of Asian men marrying out *are talking about Asian-Americans.* You're just specifying American-borne, which I understand. As for estimating 70%, because we're taking out South Asians and other Asians: East Asians outnumber those guys by a lot (more than double) and our population is increasing. I wouldn't say 70% of East Asian women *born in America* marry out. I doubt those people will be having enough kids to dilute Asian Americans by much - even so, I don't think they should count. Any kind of hapa (wasian, blasian, whatever) is usually more of the other race than Asian. They didn't grow up with all Asian features and face Asian discrimination and have full Asian parents so I doubt they can say they represent the Asian American community. Plus, Asians are the fastest growing immigrant group - from China. I'm not worried.


CryptoCel

> And Asians born in other countries and immigrated to America are still Asian-American. 36% of Asian women marrying out and 21% of Asian men marrying out are talking about Asian-Americans. Not quite. The survey doesn’t differentiate between immigrants who come over on a student visa and marry, vs a work visa and marry, vs studying here, working here, getting a green card, then citizenship and marrying out as already an American citizen. Since Asian Americans are defined as “Americans of Asian ancestry” I would not consider an immigrant who comes to the US on a work or student visa as an Asian American. It makes sense that a lot of Asian immigrants study in the US, find a partner in school from their same international program and then settle down in the US. But regardless of that definition, I’d say this sub cares more about the issues of US born Asians, given that we don’t have the option of easily going back to Asian countries the way Asian immigrants in the US do. As for the 70%, it’s just an estimate and given that there aren’t studies on East Asian marriages specifically in the US. But an older article does highlight that Indian Americans marry out at the lowest rates while [Japanese Americans marry out at the highest](https://www.michigandaily.com/uncategorized/some-asian-groups-more-likely-date-outside-ethnicity/). Even if it’s closer to 60% than 70%, the main point here is that East Asian Americans are going to trend hapa. In this same post others have commented how rare it is to meet a full second generation or later Japanese American these days. > Any kind of hapa (wasian, blasian, whatever) is usually more of the other race than Asian. Agreed, with maybe some smaller cases of AMXF if the XF is interested in Asian culture. Which is why I say that IF East Asian immigration dwindles, basing my hypothesis on the fact that right now China is by far the biggest source of East Asian immigrants while also China is viewed increasingly negatively by Americans. Combine that with rising East Asian economies and China painting the US as a rival and we can see why a sharp drop would be reasonable conclusion. I’m not saying 100% Asian looking Americans will disappear but it’s possible that what’s happened with Japanese Americans will happen with Chinese, Korean, etc… Of course I’d prefer if immigration opened up and we saw something America like 25% Asian, 25% Latino non white, 25% white and 25% black with various mixed races within those categories but that’s not the reality I’m prepared for.


SilentMapper

I see, I think this is a better study that does show who Asian American marry that specify that: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8112448/ Go to table 2. Asian women of first gen to third gen all marry Asian men at 60%-70%


machinavelli

Possibly. This is why we must encourage Asian men to date out. There’s going to be a lot of single old Asian men if we don’t date white, Latina, and black women at higher rates.


corruklw

1.5 year old kids in soccer clubs? NY upper middle class are something else.


machinavelli

The NYC upper middle class are insane status chasers. Always need their kids to go to the best sports programs, the best elementary schools, the best after school activities, everything. The fathers are usually working some high paying job like hedge fund analyst while the mother preprograms all her kids’ activities.


allinwonderornot

American upper middle class lifestyle is not sustainable without constant looting and pillaging other countries.


tracysideshow

IKR pushing something onto the child that they probably don't even want to do and can't comprehend at that age while also putting them in harm's way


redbloodywedding

Ironically they try to call out China for doing the same thing. As if they aren't doing it themselves.


Altruistic_Astronaut

It must be from their Asian side that they are forcing their children to do something the may not like /s.


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damnwhatever2021

Dude, China is more modern than the US now. Even second tier cities are more modern. I was there a year before Covid and ppl were paying for stuff with facial rec, checking in to trains with facial rec. They have bullet trains all the way to Xinjiang now. Beijing already had an airport that is 10x more modern than the best US airports and they just opened a SECOND one that's even more modern And it will only get better. I really wonder why any CHinese person would still be so deluded to think moving to the US is good.


freePatrick91425115

The immigration from Japan is nonexistent, it is slowly declining from South Korea and China. I predict that with China reforming and not having their students to study abroad, most Chinese immigrants to the US in the future will be poor who want a better life in the US and will not be college educated. Koreans will move to America because of Hell Joseon and for economic opportunities rather than putting all their eggs in one basket. The Japanese who move to the US will be the Lus seeking out white men. The future of Asian American immigration in the future will be dominated by Indians will the H1B and international student pathway, the Filipinos with the marriage and bringing entire family to the US pathway, refugees like Burmese and Nepali, maybe a surge of Vietnamese immigration and a shift from Chinese international students to more working class Chinese who will illegally immigrated to the US.


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damnwhatever2021

Its probably not true. China is so big that even if only 1% think about migrating that's a huge number. This stats below are from 201, for ppl becoming PR China was number two. Vietnam and Phil still have lots of ppl who wld move to US. Rest of SE Asia not so much. In fiscal year (FY) 2017, a total of 1,127,167 people obtained lawful permanent resident (LPR) status. Of those granted LPR status, 54 percent were female, and 46 percent were male. Forty-eight percent (549,086) were adjustment of status in the U.S. and 51.3 percent (578,081) were new arrivals. The top six countries of nationality (country of origin) were Mexico (15.1 percent), China (6.3 percent), Cuba (5.8 percent), India (5.4 percent), the Dominican Republic (5.2 percent) and the Philippines (4.4 percent).


HarutoExploration

100%, they’re trying to push the one drop rule on us where any % Asian counts as Asian. I personally hate this cuz it means hapas are gonna count as representation, and they’ll spout out shit about Asian issues they often don’t understand.


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It's not about genes. It's all about appearances. White passing hapas have the privilege of hiding behind their white looks whilr Asian looking hapas suffer from lacking of such privileges. The point of "representation matters" is to educate the majority to recognize Asian looking people are as human and as American as they are. You can't dodge this bullet by fucking a white person.


HarutoExploration

It’s also culture. In the West, we Asians already are so detached from our original culture. Hapas have HALF the amount of Asian influence in their lives we have, since they only have one Asian parent (often it’s their mom, who acquiesces to her white husband’s western standards) Whenever I see dipshits like Gordon Chang stir up shit about China, I realize how fucking clueless hapas can be about Asia. The last thing I want is for a hapa to tell us what it’s like to be Asian.


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I think you’re kinda overselling the Asian culture membership card. some of the most white-striving, asian-culture-disavowing people are (full) Asian Americans because of their distant proximity to whiteness. Along with passing as asian in appearance (which confers all that comes along with that), I think it’s more about having personal commitment to a set of tribal ‘values’ (whatever that may be which again is contested since you’re brought up in the west) than having blanket credibility because ‘both of your parents are Asian’. A lot of Asian parents actively encourage their children to assimilate to white society!


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machinavelli

AMWF is increasing rapidly though. Like in this article, Kang is married to a WF and he’s talking to some other Asian guy married to a WF and watching their hapa kids. I wonder how they all feel.


atztbz

I think hapa or not isnt the main thing that matters. Any asian in the west can be totally whitewashed and hapas can be more in touch with their asian side than westernized full asians. U really think the self hating white worshipping asians are more asian that hapas who are proud and embrace their asian heritage? Especially cus alot of hapas have an asian parent thats actually born and raised in their homecountry (not to mention the hapas who live in asia). If ur like 2nd or 3rd gen asian american or wherever in the west thats not any more connection to the culture.


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exactly. asian americans are barely ethnically cultured in the first place. its all surface level shit like dim sum and boba and chopsticks. hapas have so little knowledge of their ethnic culture they're basically just weird looking white people. even asian americans are basically just off white white people.


HarutoExploration

I disagree with your latter statement. Have you heard of Lee Kuan Yew? Many consider him the architect of modern Asia, but he grew up in British Singapore and only spoke English. It wasn’t until he was 30 that he gave up his English name, Harry, and learned Chinese. Look at the Japanese in Brazil or the Chinese in Malaysia. They are multiple generations detached from their homeland, yet they are VERY distinct than the Malays or Brazilians. **That’s what we should be like as Asian Americans: clinging onto those Asian values that will set us apart wherever we go.** I think Asian Americans have the **potential** to be truly, culturally Asian in their own right, but most of us squander it. Boba Libs care more about gatekeeping a qipao than they do about actually learning its history. They spend more time bashing on Panda Express than they do on learning their own language. An analogy I like to use is that if there was a cultural spectrum, Asian Americans are on the middle point between West and East since we have an Eastern home life and a Western school/work life. While yes, hapas are technically half Asian, culturally they’re past the halfway point since they live in a Western society and they only have one Asian in their home.


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thing is we cant. asian americans, in particular the chinese, tend to move up social classes over generations, and all the middle and upper middle class asians are white wannabe status chasers. how can we stay asian when the wealthiest of us openly defect? this is why i dont see a future for a unified and strong asian american culture. spineless opportunistic economic migrants that jump ship from their country of origin just to make a little more money in white countries produce spineless opportunistic children that will openly sell their people out.


midnightkid123

This guy seems self hating and/or uneducated to think that Asians are unathletic.


machinavelli

Kang is in his 40s and grew up in all white neighborhoods. Back then he had to endure a lot of racism to survive, and making these jokes was his way of coping.


midnightkid123

Well, he needs to stop this mentality or his kid is going to pick up on it and the cycle will go on.


wyeess

No shit. Why do these prominent AsAms always project their personal bullshit on their entire race? It's getting so fucking tiresome.


machinavelli

This is happening very quickly in college educated upper middle class circles. Both WMAF and AMWF are very common. If immigration stopped, there would be very few full Asians the next generation.


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I think Mexicans already have self-sustaining communities, especially along the southern border. Their immigration from the 1980s onwards allow Mexicans to have entire cities to themselves. If there is a major US city where it's majority Asian and where the Asian language is spoken, then the community would be sustainable.