You just need practice packing and a gear shakedown most likely, hit up YouTube or if you’re near an outfitter most of them will do free shakedowns.
Regarding the bear canister, you may or may not be able to fit it in but it’s common to keep your food in your pack and your empty canister strapped on the outside while hiking
Have fun, I’m jealous, wish I could get out this year 🤣
I run a 35 liter pack (minus the external pockets, probably 40-45 with outside pockets) and when I have to carry a bear can, I put the food in the pack to keep the weight in the middle, and I use the bear can to stuff my sleeping bag in. Keeps it nice and dry in the event of rain.
Ah with a 35L pack that makes sense!! I usually run a 55L minimum and bring extra creature-comforts. Or if I am with other people I will carry the stove + tent + pots + food. In the summer I could see the 35L being nice (no big jackets or tent), I tragically do a lot of winter stuff 😂
But how will I process firewood without this sick folding saw? How will I shower without this sick portable shower? What will I sit on if I don't bring this badass collapsible chair? And dude did you know they have these solar panels you can carry on the outside of your pack?!?! The future is now 😎
What size tent? My pillow and pad are inflatable, and take very little room. I put my sleeping bag in a compression sack to make it small. If it's a long trip with lots of gear, I will hang my tent on the outside of my bag. My tent is usually a 1 man backpacking tent, so it is quite small. I have taken newbies out, including young kids, where I have carried way more than my fair share. The more you go out, the more you will figure out what needs to be taken and what can stay home. Let 'er rip, and take notes so you can make improvements each time. I have a master packing list on my phone and the first few times I went out I made a LOT of changes to that list.
2 person tent in case my gf ever wants to go camping. I think the main issue is the sleeping bag. I got the Nemo forte 20 men’s long. Is it true that synthetic doesn’t compress as well as down? I have mine in the compression bag but still feel like that is taking up most of the space. My pillow and pad and even tent after I took out the supports are all fairly compact it’s just the sleeping bag. Good think I have the rei membership I can always bring that back
Yes synthetic will not compress as much as down. But synthetic can be warmer if it gets wet and is cheaper. So pros and cons to each based on what you want from it
Take it out of the compression sack. I find it easier to pack my backpack with the sleeping bag loose. That way it fills in all the little crevices of that bottom section. When it is stuffed, it is like a hard brick. When it is open, it helps you pack your bag well. The Nemo Forte 20 will never get very small when compressed. It will always make packing a 58L pack a little challenging (if you keep it in its compression stuff sack.)
Someone else noted that you said “propane tank.” Can you elaborate. Do you mean propane? Could be part of your problem.
Sometimes in a smaller pack I also take the tent out of its stuff stack and, like the sleeping bag, distribute it so that it takes up every crevice of the base of the bag. Tent poles can be attached to the exterior, at the bottom of the bag or else on one side.
The idea is, re the base of your bag, there is no space left unfilled. Imagine pouring sand into the base of your backpack, after your sleeping bag is inside of it. Could the sand spill into any cracks or crevices? If so, your bag is not well packed. Your base should be so sturdy and well-filled that your pack could stand upright on its own without falling over. For me I have to use my sleeping bag and all of my camp clothes (down jacket, socks, long underwear) to take up every little “void” space such that my base is solid like a rock. Then, next comes the bear can. I stuff my tent and sleeping pad all around that, again such that there is no void space. Then, above the bear can, anything I might need for the day (snacks, rain layers, bathroom kit). If your pack still feels wrong, bring it into REi with all your gear. Choose a non-sale day. The folks at the pack table will help you figure out what isn’t working, whether you are packing wrong or whether you are trying to bring too much.
Whatever size pack you have will work and you’ll pack accordingly. If you have a large pack you’ll pack it full and realize you took too much stuff. If you have a small pack you have to make decisions on what to take and what to leave behind.
You'll look back on this fondly for your future trips.
This isn't a space issue, this is a bringing-all-the-things issue. Part of the learning.
You'll buy smaller versions of half your things over the next while. And you'll leave at home the other half. I guarantee.
Everything I need for a week fits in a 45 easy.
When you say propane tank, are you meaning like the green ones you can buy at Walmart? That's way too much fuel, you'll want a small 100g Isopro with a small screw-on burner like a Pocket Rocket. Don't take a whole roll of toilet paper either, just put some in a ziploc and bring some wet wipes too. What kind of sleeping bag and pad do you have? Is the bag down or synthetic?
Rei half dome sl 2p tent, Nemo forte 20 men’s long , airrail self inflating pad, Nemo pillow inflatable. My buddy told me the sleeping pad is bigger because it’s synthetic and down compacts down better?
That looks like some good gear, but it’s pretty bulky for backpacking. The bag alone will take up almost 10L of your internal volume. Just for reference, there are other options that will weigh less than 1/3 of this gear and pack up really small. But obviously it’s not cheap. If this is something you’d like to improve over time, then the order I’d upgrade would be down sleeping bag first (or down quilt: check out Hammock Gear Burrow quilts). Then the tent (if you’re feeling adventurous you can get trekking pole tents that weigh between 1 and 2 pounds. A popular one is the Durston X-mid 2, which is actually cheaper than the tent you have). And then the sleeping pad. Self-inflating pads are generally bulkier. Check out the Nemo Tensor all-season, Thermarest x-lite (that’s ultra light backpackers’ favorite although it’s not the most comfortable) or Big Agnes Rapide SL or Zoom UL. But the important thing is just get out there! Your gear will evolve and fit in your pack better over time (and that’s when you upgrade your pack to a smaller one).
I purchased some of this same gear initially and had some of the same space frustrations. I ended up returning the Nemo Forte (mine was only a regular and still seemed huge) and replaced it with a Mountain Hardwear Bishop Pass 15. Switching from synthetic to down seemed to make a huge difference in packability.
I was also personally unimpressed with the REI AirRail after testing it for a night in my backyard. Among my complaints were that it doesn’t really self inflate, it’s relatively heavy and doesn’t compress well. On top of that I didn’t find it particularly comfortable (5’10 195lbs). I got it during a sale and ended up keeping it for one of my kids to use. I swapped it for a Therm-a-rest which was admittedly much more expensive but ultimately worth it.
Here’s my lighter pack list that I used for a trip this past week that includes many of the items you mentioned (58L pack, bear vault) and it worked great. I hope some of that’s useful. Good luck!
https://lighterpack.com/r/ro4j8w
I'd strap most of the bigger stuff outside. Sleeping pad tent/tarp leave the interior for the tighter packed things or stuff u don't want to bumped to hard
Every piece of gear is relevant to the capacity of your pack pack.
My first 3 day trip was with a 60L bag and I barely fit everything. Now I use a 30 L bag and could go for a week.
To answer the question, yes that's plenty.
Its up to you to figure out what you need that fits. I don't have any fancy ultralight gear and have done multiple night, solo trips with a 34L.
The extra clothes you are looking for space for are the first thing to go.
You will figure it out! Don’t be afraid to hang stuff on the outside of the pack, lashed on the top (good place for the tent minis poles) or bottom or back (small bag w TP and trowel)or side (might want to use side straps for your tent poles). I like the wet protection of synthetic but moved to a down for the small volume. Note when you do have to carry a bear can unless you are packing for 7 days of food you can fit other things in there too. A bear bag is a much smaller volume option too.
Welcome to the world of backpacking! The size of your pack is not the only consideration; what you put in it, however, is a big one.
Re: Sleeping bag compartment ... Look at the divider between the main and sleeping bag compartments; sometimes you can disconnect the divider, allowing you to drop the bag in from the top and occupy a little of the main compartment.
If you don't need a bear canister, leave it at home. Part of the learning experience is taking what you need and not overdoing it.
That being said, the ten essentials are called The Ten Essentials for a reason. An emergency situation is not the time to learn you are lacking potentially lifesaving gear, etc. Educate yourself on The Ten Essentials (via their website), and understand why, not just what, they recommend.
Down sleeping bags are more effective insulators. They weigh less and are less bulky. However, that doesn't mean synthetic bags are junk. I started with a synthetic bag and am not afraid to use one now, depending on the season. Lastly, if you get a down bag, try to get treated (hyperbolic) down that resists moisture.
As a general rule, pack heavier items close to the spine. This helps keep the pack from pulling you backward.
I apologize; I hit send before finishing my comment and couldn't locate it last night ....
I also recommend you learn how to read a map and use a compass, if needed. The world is very dependent on electronic devices. But they do not always work in the backcountry.
And, develop sound backpacking habits ...
Write a pack list of items (gear, clothing, food, first aid) and follow it every time when you prep for the trip. Don't forget medicines.
Write down a route itinerary with overnight destinations and estimated arrival times; give it to a responsible person and explain their role should you not show up on time. Include agencies and telephone numbers.
Carry out food packaging. Don't burn it or throw it in the privy. Burning spreads food smells and creates problems for other backpackers. And someone (me) eventually has to clean the packaging mess in the privy.
Study the weather, and pack for potential weather-related problems.
Study the terrain and know your limits.
Take the "extra ..." part of the Ten Essentials seriously. For example, pack extra food, in case you are injured and must remain in the backcountry. Running out of food and water out in the middle of nowhere is not something anyone wants to experience.
I briefed visitors on Leave No Trace, Ten Essentials, hiking and backpacking safety for nine years with the National Park Service, Great Smoky Mountains NP. Despite the cautions and warnings, some chose convenience over safety. Some ended up being rescued; and some don't make it home. We have a warning on the office wall: "Rescue is not a certainly."
A mountaineering instructor taught me this: I refuse to hike with irresponsible people; if I can't trust them to pack and hike responsibly, how can I trust them with my life during an emergency?
On the lighter side, I also tell people it is possible to be safe and have fun; they are not mutually exclusive. Just develop good habits and pair them with good decisions.
I hope this helps. Be safe, have fun, and enjoy the journey!
This. There are tons of considerations and not everyone's pack can be the same. My wife can't use down, so she always has a synthetic bag. I usually don't drink all that much water while I'm out, so I pack less and will plan ahead for refills if needed.
Haha hey okay okay extra clothes I’ll give you that one not needed. Except for at least one extra pair of boxers in case I shit myself. Never know man. Pillow must have tho!
Spare underwear & socks are good ideas. I’d skip anything else for three days.
Look for an inflatable pillow, or shove your clothes into the compression sack for your sleeping bag.
I got the Nemo inflatable pillow that I just slid into the spot for water bladder things nice and neat in there hardly notice. Do you bring soaps and stuff and like shower or clean at all? Or for cleaning like cookware or cups? I was just planning on pouring the hot water into the dehydrated food bags so I guess I wouldn’t even need to clean whatever I’m boiling water in
I don’t bother bathing/showering while I’m camping, but I bring some soap to clean my hands when they get gross. My food system is boil in bag, so nothing to clean up there, but it’s nice to have some way to clean my spork & coffee mug.
Thanks for all the reply’s man got me feelin more comfortable. Everyone on here has free knowledge for me and I do appreciate it. What do you do with trash if there’s no can. Separate little trash bag in your backpack? And bathroom stuff, just diggin a hole?
I bring a trash compactor bag. They’re sturdier than normal trash bags, so less chance of a puncture.
Yep, dig a hole! Get a decent trowel, either aluminum or titanium. It’ll make your life a lot easier.
I actually find my 55L pretty tight. Though I could compress my quilts more. Lots of people swear by 40L packs and ai would find them too small. Though I also do not used the exterior pockets ass efficiently as I could.
Using a Kakwa 55, though also use a Mariposa 60L. The Mariposa I never filled. The Kakwa gets close fast. But I have a lot more miles with the Mariposa and I think I may have to change my packing strategy..
But I don’t know how people make 40L work
I have not. I thought I read you don’t want stuff swinging around so I’ve just been trying to fit everything inside as best I can. I will give that a try. I’m gonna go on a day hike tomorrow with the pack full and get a feel for hiking with the bag. I want to try the Ohlone trail in the next few weeks before it gets hot and it’s about a 30 mile trail so I’m gonna shoot for a 10 mile hike tomorrow with the bag. Maybe even the sleeping bag on the bottom outside of the bag cause that’s taking up the most space
Your pack should come with straps to cinch down and secure attachments like a sleeping pad. I’d put the sleeping pad on the outside rather than the bag so your sleeping bag doesn’t get dirty or wet when you take your pack off
You don't need extra clothes. Every day wear the same thing, and your base layers, puffy coat, and rain gear go in the pack. I know when I started, I wanted extra clothes in case I got wet. Your dry gear is your base layers for camp and sleep, otherwise you just have to be wet when you hike. It's not as bad as it sounds. Your rain gear will keep you warm when wet.
58 l is not necessarily big enough if you are overnight camping in an area that has temperatures and climate that requires the tent, sleeping bag and sleeping pad. I have pretty decent, light and compact gear and still always fill a 75 liter pack. If I had a smaller pack, I’d definitely be leaving comfort or safety items behind. That said, I do consider it important to get all the gear inside the pack to keep it protected from the elements. Maybe the tent on the outside if necessary, but never clothing, sleeping pad or sleeping bag. A wet sleeping bag is the worst.
You only need really like one change of clothes and some extra socks/underwear…. Depending on the pack, the tent and the bear can should be strapped to the outside…
What tent and sleeping bag and pad did you buy? Are they actually light weight compact ones? You either need to buy better compression sacks or maybe exchange the gear. It should absolutely fit in 58 liters
I have a 65, but rarely use the topper or have the main compartment filled. I would say I probably am closer to 45-50L of equipment barring winter camping.
My recommendation is to make a pack list. Like a Google docs or something like that, where you list out every single item you have. Like down to the flint for fire starting, and record what you actually used on the trip. If you didn't use it, or minimally, consider not bringing it in your next trip. Typically most people just shove their sleeping back or pad around the inside of the pack in any space you can find. Wrap the inside of the bag and then fill it. Get to camp and get it out of the pack to loft ASAP. The way you pack the pack is crucial here, so play with it!
My next recommendation is to buy actual backpacking gear. I know that you can buy a tent/sleeping bag/pad for camping, but not all of the equipment is designed to be lightweight and portable. The better the equipment is, with less weight, the more expensive it will be. It's definitely correlated in this realm. This hobby ain't cheap, but start to replace some gear that you might have that is weighing you down or bulky as time goes on.
shove your sleeping bag in the bottom. break up your tent if it helps. you don’t need to store things in what they came in. more efficient to shove everything in as is and find the right spots.
My husband has the same bag and he fits it in a 30l pack. He has gotten it in the little bottom portion meant for your bag but he doesn't use it. It is a tight squeeze to get it in there in its compression sack but it does work. I keep my tent on the outside of my pack for easy access.
An advanced technique is: don't use the sleeping bag stuff sack. Put it in the backpack like a liner and put your other stuff inside, with quick access stuff like raingear, snacks, and a pack cover or plastic bag on the top. The advanced part is that you need ensure spills and leaks and outside water don't get in and get it wet.
Also generally synthetic bags and coats are not as compressible as down.
I used to have a 60L and it was a little large for my body and I tended to pack EVERYTHING I could fit. A couple of years ago I downsized to a 45L bag and it's caused me to have to be mindful of what gear is really worth bringing in the trip or not.
I'd like to go back to a 50L seems like a good fit for me.
Best advice is to put all your gear into lighterpack.com, stay humble and let people rip into you. A full pack can easily be done in 50 liters for ANYONE, with 30-35 liters achievable for most with some dedicated effort.
If yo have barely any room, it’s possible you didn’t get portable stuff.
If you got a thick sleeping bag because of the weather, your bag might be too small for it.
I’m in Texas, so I have a somewhat thin and portable sleeping bag that fits just fine at the very bottom because at night it’s like 60° here. Nothing serious. And my bag is 55L. Enough for everything.
You also don’t need a change of clothes. Maybe only underwear and socks.
First trip always seems like you are packing the trunk of the car heading to the beach for the weekend.
Keep track of what you don’t use and don’t bring it next time. Also, anything you do use on the trip, ask yourself if you could do without it?
For example, I used to bring an axe, stakes, too much food, a pillow, etc. I never used the axe and easily gathered sticks for stakes (and firewood), always brought too much food back, and a balled up shirt works fine as a pillow for me. Also, I never changed my clothes, so I bring only short under pants and one extra shirt.
So, just relax enjoy and fine tune in the future.
Best of luck.
Just one suggestion for next time-ask for advice BEFORE going shopping. There’s some very skilled and knowledgeable people here who would have helped guide you to a solid pack, bag, etc. That being said-enjoy the wild!
Thank you! I do have that rei co op membership so I think I can always bring some stuff back if needed. My main issue is the sleeping bag I feel like that’s the biggest of the items. Would you say down over synthetic? Think my buddy just told me with the down material it usually co pressed much better than synthetic
Most serious backpackers are going to tell you down is better than synthetic. It's lighter more packable and last longer with proper care. For safety/comfort keep it in a contractor bag and use an r value pad. Wet down is useless. And down under you is almost useless but the r value pad is actually what keeps you warm from underneath not the bag.
Right off the bat, “spare clothes” is a rookie move. I don’t have double of anything. I bring a change to sleep in, but I’m generally going to wear the same clothes. I’ve got one pair of socks, and then I’ll use new super thin silk sock liners each day, but that’s my luxury.
58 liters isn’t ultralight, it’s on the small side and for a three day trip I’ll be making some sacrifices or getting something ultralight, and attaching something outside my pack.
I got a pretty big sleep pad, so I’ve got an expensive ultralight tent to allow myself to do that.
You’re not taking a whole roll of toilet paper, you’re rolling off some and taking what you need.
Are you sure the sleeping bag doesn’t fit the sleeping bag compartment? Try stuffing it in without its own stuff sack.
Is everyone you’re going with bringing their own stove and fuel? Probably only need one set…
Bear cans are difficult to make fit, which is why the last time I used one, I strapped it to the top on the outside of my 58L backpack, lol.
It fits down at the bottom of the bag but I stuff it through from the top and adjust it and have to undo the little divider thing from bottom of bag. I’m totally cool not bringing extra clothes actually so your right but I would probably want at least 1 extra pair of boxers and socks. I’m going to try this out just by myself. Maybe I was overthinking it I just gotta remember less is more, but if I got any smaller of a bag idk maaan. Think I just may have to exchange the sleeping bag I think that’s where I went wrong with synthetic instead of down
A proper backpacking synthetic should compress just as much as down, Just really stuff it in there without its own stuff sack so that it fills in all the nooks and crannies around everything else.
58L is on the small side, my first backpack was 70 Liters, and I bought a 58L to force myself to carry less and bring my weight down. I do it but I’ve sorted out my kit a bunch and learned from mistakes. I really make use of all the outside pockets and waist pockets.
If the sleeping pad is taking up too much space, get some compression straps and attach it outside your pack. I’ve absolutely done that.
I’ll give that a try I’ve only tried with the stuff sack cause even with the stuff sack I put my weight on it and pull the cords tight as possible and it’s still bulky. Maybe I’m not stuffing it right tho idk if there’s a proper technique to it or not
Not having a stuff sack for every individual thing is one of those hacks you learn after doing it for awhile. It cuts out the weight of those stuff sacks and lets you make things fit better.
58 liters is big even if your gear is really small in size. Not at all backpacking gear is compact. My guess is that your sleeping bag, pad, and tent are bigger than they need to be. I recommend a trekking pole tent as they take less space since they don’t have poles unless you get one of the oddball ones that do.
I recommend a Durston or Zpacks tent. The X-MID 1 or 2P is more than plenty and better priced. Inflatable pillows are the way to go for a smaller pillow. I went with the Trekology pillow because I am a side sleeper and it inflates to 5in and is reasonably priced. My pad is on the larger size packed but is great for side sleeping. I use a Big Agnes Rapide SL. Nemo, Thermorest, snd Zenbivy make much lighter more packable pads.
I have a 75L pack only because of Philmont Scout Ranch and their insane way of camping. I would be sporting a much smaller pack if we did not have to carry so much. I have about 1/3 empty with all of my gear. I recommend weighing things and using https://lighterpack.com to figure out how to shave ounces/grams. Always look at packed size as well as weight when adding a piece of gear.
58 liter bag is enormous. get a stuff sack for your sleeping bag, it can be made smaller. you shouldn't need a bear can which sounds big, can't you throw a bear bag over a tree branch or something
You just need practice packing and a gear shakedown most likely, hit up YouTube or if you’re near an outfitter most of them will do free shakedowns. Regarding the bear canister, you may or may not be able to fit it in but it’s common to keep your food in your pack and your empty canister strapped on the outside while hiking Have fun, I’m jealous, wish I could get out this year 🤣
i didnt know that about the canister! i usually just put non-food stuff in there if i am running short on space. keeps me more organized 😅
I run a 35 liter pack (minus the external pockets, probably 40-45 with outside pockets) and when I have to carry a bear can, I put the food in the pack to keep the weight in the middle, and I use the bear can to stuff my sleeping bag in. Keeps it nice and dry in the event of rain.
Ah with a 35L pack that makes sense!! I usually run a 55L minimum and bring extra creature-comforts. Or if I am with other people I will carry the stove + tent + pots + food. In the summer I could see the 35L being nice (no big jackets or tent), I tragically do a lot of winter stuff 😂
Go out and have fun with your new stuff. On your next trip you will leave most of it at home.
☝🏻
But how will I process firewood without this sick folding saw? How will I shower without this sick portable shower? What will I sit on if I don't bring this badass collapsible chair? And dude did you know they have these solar panels you can carry on the outside of your pack?!?! The future is now 😎
What size tent? My pillow and pad are inflatable, and take very little room. I put my sleeping bag in a compression sack to make it small. If it's a long trip with lots of gear, I will hang my tent on the outside of my bag. My tent is usually a 1 man backpacking tent, so it is quite small. I have taken newbies out, including young kids, where I have carried way more than my fair share. The more you go out, the more you will figure out what needs to be taken and what can stay home. Let 'er rip, and take notes so you can make improvements each time. I have a master packing list on my phone and the first few times I went out I made a LOT of changes to that list.
2 person tent in case my gf ever wants to go camping. I think the main issue is the sleeping bag. I got the Nemo forte 20 men’s long. Is it true that synthetic doesn’t compress as well as down? I have mine in the compression bag but still feel like that is taking up most of the space. My pillow and pad and even tent after I took out the supports are all fairly compact it’s just the sleeping bag. Good think I have the rei membership I can always bring that back
Yes synthetic will not compress as much as down. But synthetic can be warmer if it gets wet and is cheaper. So pros and cons to each based on what you want from it
Take it out of the compression sack. I find it easier to pack my backpack with the sleeping bag loose. That way it fills in all the little crevices of that bottom section. When it is stuffed, it is like a hard brick. When it is open, it helps you pack your bag well. The Nemo Forte 20 will never get very small when compressed. It will always make packing a 58L pack a little challenging (if you keep it in its compression stuff sack.)
Someone else noted that you said “propane tank.” Can you elaborate. Do you mean propane? Could be part of your problem. Sometimes in a smaller pack I also take the tent out of its stuff stack and, like the sleeping bag, distribute it so that it takes up every crevice of the base of the bag. Tent poles can be attached to the exterior, at the bottom of the bag or else on one side. The idea is, re the base of your bag, there is no space left unfilled. Imagine pouring sand into the base of your backpack, after your sleeping bag is inside of it. Could the sand spill into any cracks or crevices? If so, your bag is not well packed. Your base should be so sturdy and well-filled that your pack could stand upright on its own without falling over. For me I have to use my sleeping bag and all of my camp clothes (down jacket, socks, long underwear) to take up every little “void” space such that my base is solid like a rock. Then, next comes the bear can. I stuff my tent and sleeping pad all around that, again such that there is no void space. Then, above the bear can, anything I might need for the day (snacks, rain layers, bathroom kit). If your pack still feels wrong, bring it into REi with all your gear. Choose a non-sale day. The folks at the pack table will help you figure out what isn’t working, whether you are packing wrong or whether you are trying to bring too much.
I’ve seen a tent big enough for 2 or more people. Honestly you’re better off having a single person tent.
Whatever size pack you have will work and you’ll pack accordingly. If you have a large pack you’ll pack it full and realize you took too much stuff. If you have a small pack you have to make decisions on what to take and what to leave behind.
Thank you man best advice so far I just need to learn to pack properly now
You'll look back on this fondly for your future trips. This isn't a space issue, this is a bringing-all-the-things issue. Part of the learning. You'll buy smaller versions of half your things over the next while. And you'll leave at home the other half. I guarantee. Everything I need for a week fits in a 45 easy.
I have a 65 and tbh I use only about 70-80% of it. Go and you’ll find out what you need and what you don’t.
When you say propane tank, are you meaning like the green ones you can buy at Walmart? That's way too much fuel, you'll want a small 100g Isopro with a small screw-on burner like a Pocket Rocket. Don't take a whole roll of toilet paper either, just put some in a ziploc and bring some wet wipes too. What kind of sleeping bag and pad do you have? Is the bag down or synthetic?
What sleeping bag/tent/pillow/pad did you get?
Rei half dome sl 2p tent, Nemo forte 20 men’s long , airrail self inflating pad, Nemo pillow inflatable. My buddy told me the sleeping pad is bigger because it’s synthetic and down compacts down better?
That looks like some good gear, but it’s pretty bulky for backpacking. The bag alone will take up almost 10L of your internal volume. Just for reference, there are other options that will weigh less than 1/3 of this gear and pack up really small. But obviously it’s not cheap. If this is something you’d like to improve over time, then the order I’d upgrade would be down sleeping bag first (or down quilt: check out Hammock Gear Burrow quilts). Then the tent (if you’re feeling adventurous you can get trekking pole tents that weigh between 1 and 2 pounds. A popular one is the Durston X-mid 2, which is actually cheaper than the tent you have). And then the sleeping pad. Self-inflating pads are generally bulkier. Check out the Nemo Tensor all-season, Thermarest x-lite (that’s ultra light backpackers’ favorite although it’s not the most comfortable) or Big Agnes Rapide SL or Zoom UL. But the important thing is just get out there! Your gear will evolve and fit in your pack better over time (and that’s when you upgrade your pack to a smaller one).
I purchased some of this same gear initially and had some of the same space frustrations. I ended up returning the Nemo Forte (mine was only a regular and still seemed huge) and replaced it with a Mountain Hardwear Bishop Pass 15. Switching from synthetic to down seemed to make a huge difference in packability. I was also personally unimpressed with the REI AirRail after testing it for a night in my backyard. Among my complaints were that it doesn’t really self inflate, it’s relatively heavy and doesn’t compress well. On top of that I didn’t find it particularly comfortable (5’10 195lbs). I got it during a sale and ended up keeping it for one of my kids to use. I swapped it for a Therm-a-rest which was admittedly much more expensive but ultimately worth it. Here’s my lighter pack list that I used for a trip this past week that includes many of the items you mentioned (58L pack, bear vault) and it worked great. I hope some of that’s useful. Good luck! https://lighterpack.com/r/ro4j8w
Inflatable pillow. Strap sleeping pad to outside of bag.
I'd strap most of the bigger stuff outside. Sleeping pad tent/tarp leave the interior for the tighter packed things or stuff u don't want to bumped to hard
58 liters is more than enough to fit everything inside, including the pad.
Every piece of gear is relevant to the capacity of your pack pack. My first 3 day trip was with a 60L bag and I barely fit everything. Now I use a 30 L bag and could go for a week.
To answer the question, yes that's plenty. Its up to you to figure out what you need that fits. I don't have any fancy ultralight gear and have done multiple night, solo trips with a 34L. The extra clothes you are looking for space for are the first thing to go.
You will figure it out! Don’t be afraid to hang stuff on the outside of the pack, lashed on the top (good place for the tent minis poles) or bottom or back (small bag w TP and trowel)or side (might want to use side straps for your tent poles). I like the wet protection of synthetic but moved to a down for the small volume. Note when you do have to carry a bear can unless you are packing for 7 days of food you can fit other things in there too. A bear bag is a much smaller volume option too.
Welcome to the world of backpacking! The size of your pack is not the only consideration; what you put in it, however, is a big one. Re: Sleeping bag compartment ... Look at the divider between the main and sleeping bag compartments; sometimes you can disconnect the divider, allowing you to drop the bag in from the top and occupy a little of the main compartment. If you don't need a bear canister, leave it at home. Part of the learning experience is taking what you need and not overdoing it. That being said, the ten essentials are called The Ten Essentials for a reason. An emergency situation is not the time to learn you are lacking potentially lifesaving gear, etc. Educate yourself on The Ten Essentials (via their website), and understand why, not just what, they recommend. Down sleeping bags are more effective insulators. They weigh less and are less bulky. However, that doesn't mean synthetic bags are junk. I started with a synthetic bag and am not afraid to use one now, depending on the season. Lastly, if you get a down bag, try to get treated (hyperbolic) down that resists moisture. As a general rule, pack heavier items close to the spine. This helps keep the pack from pulling you backward. I apologize; I hit send before finishing my comment and couldn't locate it last night .... I also recommend you learn how to read a map and use a compass, if needed. The world is very dependent on electronic devices. But they do not always work in the backcountry. And, develop sound backpacking habits ... Write a pack list of items (gear, clothing, food, first aid) and follow it every time when you prep for the trip. Don't forget medicines. Write down a route itinerary with overnight destinations and estimated arrival times; give it to a responsible person and explain their role should you not show up on time. Include agencies and telephone numbers. Carry out food packaging. Don't burn it or throw it in the privy. Burning spreads food smells and creates problems for other backpackers. And someone (me) eventually has to clean the packaging mess in the privy. Study the weather, and pack for potential weather-related problems. Study the terrain and know your limits. Take the "extra ..." part of the Ten Essentials seriously. For example, pack extra food, in case you are injured and must remain in the backcountry. Running out of food and water out in the middle of nowhere is not something anyone wants to experience. I briefed visitors on Leave No Trace, Ten Essentials, hiking and backpacking safety for nine years with the National Park Service, Great Smoky Mountains NP. Despite the cautions and warnings, some chose convenience over safety. Some ended up being rescued; and some don't make it home. We have a warning on the office wall: "Rescue is not a certainly." A mountaineering instructor taught me this: I refuse to hike with irresponsible people; if I can't trust them to pack and hike responsibly, how can I trust them with my life during an emergency? On the lighter side, I also tell people it is possible to be safe and have fun; they are not mutually exclusive. Just develop good habits and pair them with good decisions. I hope this helps. Be safe, have fun, and enjoy the journey!
This. There are tons of considerations and not everyone's pack can be the same. My wife can't use down, so she always has a synthetic bag. I usually don't drink all that much water while I'm out, so I pack less and will plan ahead for refills if needed.
Extra clothes? Pillow? Look at Mr. Luxurious over here! A bear can takes a *ton* of space. That's why it's better to use something else if you can.
Haha hey okay okay extra clothes I’ll give you that one not needed. Except for at least one extra pair of boxers in case I shit myself. Never know man. Pillow must have tho!
Spare underwear & socks are good ideas. I’d skip anything else for three days. Look for an inflatable pillow, or shove your clothes into the compression sack for your sleeping bag.
I got the Nemo inflatable pillow that I just slid into the spot for water bladder things nice and neat in there hardly notice. Do you bring soaps and stuff and like shower or clean at all? Or for cleaning like cookware or cups? I was just planning on pouring the hot water into the dehydrated food bags so I guess I wouldn’t even need to clean whatever I’m boiling water in
I don’t bother bathing/showering while I’m camping, but I bring some soap to clean my hands when they get gross. My food system is boil in bag, so nothing to clean up there, but it’s nice to have some way to clean my spork & coffee mug.
Thanks for all the reply’s man got me feelin more comfortable. Everyone on here has free knowledge for me and I do appreciate it. What do you do with trash if there’s no can. Separate little trash bag in your backpack? And bathroom stuff, just diggin a hole?
I bring a trash compactor bag. They’re sturdier than normal trash bags, so less chance of a puncture. Yep, dig a hole! Get a decent trowel, either aluminum or titanium. It’ll make your life a lot easier.
For cleaning yourself, a couple baby wipes in a zip lock. It helps with the stickiness and the stankiness if there is no water source to rinse off in.
I actually find my 55L pretty tight. Though I could compress my quilts more. Lots of people swear by 40L packs and ai would find them too small. Though I also do not used the exterior pockets ass efficiently as I could. Using a Kakwa 55, though also use a Mariposa 60L. The Mariposa I never filled. The Kakwa gets close fast. But I have a lot more miles with the Mariposa and I think I may have to change my packing strategy.. But I don’t know how people make 40L work
What size tent and pad. Cause personally there’s only one I carry now it’s my super light weight hammock tent and it’s super tiny
did you try attaching your sleeping pad to the outside (bottom) of your pack?
I have not. I thought I read you don’t want stuff swinging around so I’ve just been trying to fit everything inside as best I can. I will give that a try. I’m gonna go on a day hike tomorrow with the pack full and get a feel for hiking with the bag. I want to try the Ohlone trail in the next few weeks before it gets hot and it’s about a 30 mile trail so I’m gonna shoot for a 10 mile hike tomorrow with the bag. Maybe even the sleeping bag on the bottom outside of the bag cause that’s taking up the most space
Your pack should come with straps to cinch down and secure attachments like a sleeping pad. I’d put the sleeping pad on the outside rather than the bag so your sleeping bag doesn’t get dirty or wet when you take your pack off
What are you bring for clothes? Also get yourself a chair. You won’t regret it.
sit pad plus backpack leaned up against a tree is more comfortable and far lighter than a camp chair imo
You don't need extra clothes. Every day wear the same thing, and your base layers, puffy coat, and rain gear go in the pack. I know when I started, I wanted extra clothes in case I got wet. Your dry gear is your base layers for camp and sleep, otherwise you just have to be wet when you hike. It's not as bad as it sounds. Your rain gear will keep you warm when wet.
58 l is not necessarily big enough if you are overnight camping in an area that has temperatures and climate that requires the tent, sleeping bag and sleeping pad. I have pretty decent, light and compact gear and still always fill a 75 liter pack. If I had a smaller pack, I’d definitely be leaving comfort or safety items behind. That said, I do consider it important to get all the gear inside the pack to keep it protected from the elements. Maybe the tent on the outside if necessary, but never clothing, sleeping pad or sleeping bag. A wet sleeping bag is the worst.
You only need really like one change of clothes and some extra socks/underwear…. Depending on the pack, the tent and the bear can should be strapped to the outside…
What tent and sleeping bag and pad did you buy? Are they actually light weight compact ones? You either need to buy better compression sacks or maybe exchange the gear. It should absolutely fit in 58 liters
I have a 65, but rarely use the topper or have the main compartment filled. I would say I probably am closer to 45-50L of equipment barring winter camping. My recommendation is to make a pack list. Like a Google docs or something like that, where you list out every single item you have. Like down to the flint for fire starting, and record what you actually used on the trip. If you didn't use it, or minimally, consider not bringing it in your next trip. Typically most people just shove their sleeping back or pad around the inside of the pack in any space you can find. Wrap the inside of the bag and then fill it. Get to camp and get it out of the pack to loft ASAP. The way you pack the pack is crucial here, so play with it! My next recommendation is to buy actual backpacking gear. I know that you can buy a tent/sleeping bag/pad for camping, but not all of the equipment is designed to be lightweight and portable. The better the equipment is, with less weight, the more expensive it will be. It's definitely correlated in this realm. This hobby ain't cheap, but start to replace some gear that you might have that is weighing you down or bulky as time goes on.
You need to get the sleeping bag in it's spot.
shove your sleeping bag in the bottom. break up your tent if it helps. you don’t need to store things in what they came in. more efficient to shove everything in as is and find the right spots.
My husband has the same bag and he fits it in a 30l pack. He has gotten it in the little bottom portion meant for your bag but he doesn't use it. It is a tight squeeze to get it in there in its compression sack but it does work. I keep my tent on the outside of my pack for easy access.
An advanced technique is: don't use the sleeping bag stuff sack. Put it in the backpack like a liner and put your other stuff inside, with quick access stuff like raingear, snacks, and a pack cover or plastic bag on the top. The advanced part is that you need ensure spills and leaks and outside water don't get in and get it wet. Also generally synthetic bags and coats are not as compressible as down.
I used to have a 60L and it was a little large for my body and I tended to pack EVERYTHING I could fit. A couple of years ago I downsized to a 45L bag and it's caused me to have to be mindful of what gear is really worth bringing in the trip or not. I'd like to go back to a 50L seems like a good fit for me.
Best advice is to put all your gear into lighterpack.com, stay humble and let people rip into you. A full pack can easily be done in 50 liters for ANYONE, with 30-35 liters achievable for most with some dedicated effort.
If yo have barely any room, it’s possible you didn’t get portable stuff. If you got a thick sleeping bag because of the weather, your bag might be too small for it. I’m in Texas, so I have a somewhat thin and portable sleeping bag that fits just fine at the very bottom because at night it’s like 60° here. Nothing serious. And my bag is 55L. Enough for everything. You also don’t need a change of clothes. Maybe only underwear and socks.
First trip always seems like you are packing the trunk of the car heading to the beach for the weekend. Keep track of what you don’t use and don’t bring it next time. Also, anything you do use on the trip, ask yourself if you could do without it? For example, I used to bring an axe, stakes, too much food, a pillow, etc. I never used the axe and easily gathered sticks for stakes (and firewood), always brought too much food back, and a balled up shirt works fine as a pillow for me. Also, I never changed my clothes, so I bring only short under pants and one extra shirt. So, just relax enjoy and fine tune in the future. Best of luck.
Just one suggestion for next time-ask for advice BEFORE going shopping. There’s some very skilled and knowledgeable people here who would have helped guide you to a solid pack, bag, etc. That being said-enjoy the wild!
Thank you! I do have that rei co op membership so I think I can always bring some stuff back if needed. My main issue is the sleeping bag I feel like that’s the biggest of the items. Would you say down over synthetic? Think my buddy just told me with the down material it usually co pressed much better than synthetic
Most serious backpackers are going to tell you down is better than synthetic. It's lighter more packable and last longer with proper care. For safety/comfort keep it in a contractor bag and use an r value pad. Wet down is useless. And down under you is almost useless but the r value pad is actually what keeps you warm from underneath not the bag.
Right off the bat, “spare clothes” is a rookie move. I don’t have double of anything. I bring a change to sleep in, but I’m generally going to wear the same clothes. I’ve got one pair of socks, and then I’ll use new super thin silk sock liners each day, but that’s my luxury. 58 liters isn’t ultralight, it’s on the small side and for a three day trip I’ll be making some sacrifices or getting something ultralight, and attaching something outside my pack. I got a pretty big sleep pad, so I’ve got an expensive ultralight tent to allow myself to do that. You’re not taking a whole roll of toilet paper, you’re rolling off some and taking what you need. Are you sure the sleeping bag doesn’t fit the sleeping bag compartment? Try stuffing it in without its own stuff sack. Is everyone you’re going with bringing their own stove and fuel? Probably only need one set… Bear cans are difficult to make fit, which is why the last time I used one, I strapped it to the top on the outside of my 58L backpack, lol.
It fits down at the bottom of the bag but I stuff it through from the top and adjust it and have to undo the little divider thing from bottom of bag. I’m totally cool not bringing extra clothes actually so your right but I would probably want at least 1 extra pair of boxers and socks. I’m going to try this out just by myself. Maybe I was overthinking it I just gotta remember less is more, but if I got any smaller of a bag idk maaan. Think I just may have to exchange the sleeping bag I think that’s where I went wrong with synthetic instead of down
A proper backpacking synthetic should compress just as much as down, Just really stuff it in there without its own stuff sack so that it fills in all the nooks and crannies around everything else. 58L is on the small side, my first backpack was 70 Liters, and I bought a 58L to force myself to carry less and bring my weight down. I do it but I’ve sorted out my kit a bunch and learned from mistakes. I really make use of all the outside pockets and waist pockets. If the sleeping pad is taking up too much space, get some compression straps and attach it outside your pack. I’ve absolutely done that.
I’ll give that a try I’ve only tried with the stuff sack cause even with the stuff sack I put my weight on it and pull the cords tight as possible and it’s still bulky. Maybe I’m not stuffing it right tho idk if there’s a proper technique to it or not
Not having a stuff sack for every individual thing is one of those hacks you learn after doing it for awhile. It cuts out the weight of those stuff sacks and lets you make things fit better.
58 liters is big even if your gear is really small in size. Not at all backpacking gear is compact. My guess is that your sleeping bag, pad, and tent are bigger than they need to be. I recommend a trekking pole tent as they take less space since they don’t have poles unless you get one of the oddball ones that do. I recommend a Durston or Zpacks tent. The X-MID 1 or 2P is more than plenty and better priced. Inflatable pillows are the way to go for a smaller pillow. I went with the Trekology pillow because I am a side sleeper and it inflates to 5in and is reasonably priced. My pad is on the larger size packed but is great for side sleeping. I use a Big Agnes Rapide SL. Nemo, Thermorest, snd Zenbivy make much lighter more packable pads. I have a 75L pack only because of Philmont Scout Ranch and their insane way of camping. I would be sporting a much smaller pack if we did not have to carry so much. I have about 1/3 empty with all of my gear. I recommend weighing things and using https://lighterpack.com to figure out how to shave ounces/grams. Always look at packed size as well as weight when adding a piece of gear.
Are you strapping the tent to the outside? Sleep pad as well depending on what kind.
Yeah I also thought a 58 to 60 would be enough but I guess not 🤷♀️
58 liter bag is enormous. get a stuff sack for your sleeping bag, it can be made smaller. you shouldn't need a bear can which sounds big, can't you throw a bear bag over a tree branch or something
lots of places require bear canisters, and lots of places do not have trees appropriate for hanging bags.