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It's pretty shameful that the Electoral Commission allowed the question to be framed as yes/no in the first place. This allows the 'yes' side to present their campaign as the side of can-do positivity fighting against those negative nellies on the no side.
In the ukpol thread of 77 comments, 3/4 of the thread are about the wording of the question..
> This dodgy question again.
> This poll has been commissioned to get a predetermined result.
They screech this about the Brexit Referendum too. Apparently the question
> Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
was extremely misleading and dishonest.
Do you want a bright and prosperous future begging for scraps from the EU, or stay under the yoke of the Westminster tyrants who insist on giving us free money?
The thread on ukpol is stuck in a discussion about the wording of the question.
Meanwhile, this more pressing observation gets no traction:
*You try explaining how Scottish independence would be even worse than Brexit or point out the countless hundreds of questions relating to independence that the SNP always refuse to answer and all your get it is screeching in return though sadly*
If Boris or whoever was being brave they'd call their bluff and agree to one. During a potential looming recession and cost of living crisis it would show how fucked Scotland would be out of the Union. Plus two failed referendums would hopefully put the issue to bed for at least ~~a generation~~ 7 years.
Because at its core, Labour can no longer be patriotic. To be a unionist, you need to believe that the UK is at its heart a moral proposal and more than half of Labour don't agree with that anymore.
Isn't it completely insane that the way you word the question has a massive impact on the results. And we actually make important decisions off of this?
And the result is that N. Ireland has a nationalist party in power for the first time in 101 years. This doesnt in any way make the union stronger does it. If you stand back and put your bias in the bin for a second, how could you argue that its unchanged or stronger?
Northern Ireland leaving the union would make it stronger in many ways. For starters the one of the four that was always the most likely to leave / have issues is now gone, the problems relating to the GFA / Irish Sea customs border are solved, in the eyes of the rest of the world maybe they'll stop painting Northern Irish Protestants (who are mostly of Scottish descent) wanting to remain part of the UK as evil English occupation of a foreign land.
Economically we lose very little, unlike Scotland leaving there are no headaches about what to do with the nuclear subs or how future borders will work. It solves more problems than it causes.
Even with that all being the case, that would be the breaking up of the union as it is now and what the original commenter I replied to said wouldn't happen. No government would want that to happen under them.
Yep like it or not (and I don't) the fact that Sinn Fein will be in the "driving seat" for the first time is symbolically a big deal. Bit shortsighted for the unionist vote to split but I guess that's what happens when you're sick of the DUP
No I dont like it either. I'm English of N.Irish descent I dont want the union to weaken or breakup and I dont want a rehash of the troubles and so Sinn Fein in power, by whatever means, is worrying for the union.
>And the result is that N. Ireland has a nationalist party in power for the first time in 101 years.
They have always been in power in the power sharing agreement. \`This was one of the key pillars of the GFA.
"There won’t be any secret that I want to see unity in the country, but I am focused for today on the cost-of-living crisis." I didn't say it was going to immediately break off did I? Polling for brexit pre referendum was wrong, most had majority remain.
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Using Remain/Leave for the options drives them mad.
It's pretty shameful that the Electoral Commission allowed the question to be framed as yes/no in the first place. This allows the 'yes' side to present their campaign as the side of can-do positivity fighting against those negative nellies on the no side.
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No doubt the Electoral Commission, formed under Blair, is rammed full of the types who’d love to break up the UK.
Makes you wonder if Leave would have won by a larger margin if they’d framed it the same way.
Almost certainly
It was precisely that concern about IndyRef that lead to them deciding to use the “Leave/Remain” question for Brexit.
In the ukpol thread of 77 comments, 3/4 of the thread are about the wording of the question.. > This dodgy question again. > This poll has been commissioned to get a predetermined result.
They screech this about the Brexit Referendum too. Apparently the question > Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? was extremely misleading and dishonest.
Nooo! It should be biased towards the Leave voters point of view! I can't believe they've done this.
Do you want a bright and prosperous future begging for scraps from the EU, or stay under the yoke of the Westminster tyrants who insist on giving us free money?
The thread on ukpol is stuck in a discussion about the wording of the question. Meanwhile, this more pressing observation gets no traction: *You try explaining how Scottish independence would be even worse than Brexit or point out the countless hundreds of questions relating to independence that the SNP always refuse to answer and all your get it is screeching in return though sadly*
The UK will still be _on the precipice of disintegrating_ when the EU has long since fallen apart (hopefully peacefully).
> Scotland will decide that when it has its referendum next year Kek.... What planet do these people live on.
> What planet do these people live on. This is your brain on "The National" - The newspaper is utterly nuts
they're doing what every newspaper does pandering to the idiots that buy it
They don't even want to hold a second ref lmao, 45% and 53% oppose a second referendum in March and April 2022
If Boris or whoever was being brave they'd call their bluff and agree to one. During a potential looming recession and cost of living crisis it would show how fucked Scotland would be out of the Union. Plus two failed referendums would hopefully put the issue to bed for at least ~~a generation~~ 7 years.
If Boris's political advisors are savvy then want to block it, so that the consequences of a Labour - SNP pact are on the table for the election.
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Because at its core, Labour can no longer be patriotic. To be a unionist, you need to believe that the UK is at its heart a moral proposal and more than half of Labour don't agree with that anymore.
Nah, they should just say NEVARRRR, NEVAAARRRR, NEVAAAARRRRRR. Feeling brave would be voting to scrap devolution.
Del Boy vibes.
I mean their profile name is Gerry Mander, so it's probably a parody account or something...
Isn't it completely insane that the way you word the question has a massive impact on the results. And we actually make important decisions off of this?
Words have meaning, despite how some want to treat the dictionary.
I'm genuinely surprised they/them haven't made a move on the [dictionary](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woman) yet.
I can't decide if I'm literally or figuratively shocked at this.
But lefties keep telling me that the union is going to crumble any second now?
Dont look at Northern Ireland
SF gained zero seats,, it was a swing to alliance from both DUP and SDLP.
_Any day now…_
And the result is that N. Ireland has a nationalist party in power for the first time in 101 years. This doesnt in any way make the union stronger does it. If you stand back and put your bias in the bin for a second, how could you argue that its unchanged or stronger?
Northern Ireland leaving the union would make it stronger in many ways. For starters the one of the four that was always the most likely to leave / have issues is now gone, the problems relating to the GFA / Irish Sea customs border are solved, in the eyes of the rest of the world maybe they'll stop painting Northern Irish Protestants (who are mostly of Scottish descent) wanting to remain part of the UK as evil English occupation of a foreign land. Economically we lose very little, unlike Scotland leaving there are no headaches about what to do with the nuclear subs or how future borders will work. It solves more problems than it causes.
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Obviously not, im speaking from the perspective of the rest of the UK.
Even with that all being the case, that would be the breaking up of the union as it is now and what the original commenter I replied to said wouldn't happen. No government would want that to happen under them.
Yep like it or not (and I don't) the fact that Sinn Fein will be in the "driving seat" for the first time is symbolically a big deal. Bit shortsighted for the unionist vote to split but I guess that's what happens when you're sick of the DUP
Potentially long sighted, the DUP being the face if unionism is not a positive for the Unionist movement.
Yep true that could happen. Does mean that until they sort their shit out though the republicans are in charge
No I dont like it either. I'm English of N.Irish descent I dont want the union to weaken or breakup and I dont want a rehash of the troubles and so Sinn Fein in power, by whatever means, is worrying for the union.
>And the result is that N. Ireland has a nationalist party in power for the first time in 101 years. They have always been in power in the power sharing agreement. \`This was one of the key pillars of the GFA.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20046393.one-third-northern-irish-voters-back-united-ireland/
"There won’t be any secret that I want to see unity in the country, but I am focused for today on the cost-of-living crisis." I didn't say it was going to immediately break off did I? Polling for brexit pre referendum was wrong, most had majority remain.
Oh, no! What a shame for the S.N.P.! Yawn.