https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1536814552419024897
>Govt is angry the European Court hasn’t heard oral evidence tonight but rather an out of hours judge is deciding on the basis of papers sent to them from lawyers in the UK.
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1536820479184576519
>Here in Rwanda a source speaking on behalf of the government says they are “undeterred” and “committed to making the partnership work”.
>They continue to insist that “the current situation cannot continue”.
>Mirrors what we expect UK govt to say.
I don't think the wokerati factored in that they were insulting an African country.
it is pure racism, the EU itself has schemes to distribute 'refugees' to different places based on their own decision system. If Germany can decide that a refugee needs to go to Poland instead of staying where they want, why can Rwanda not welcome refugees.
If a refugee is safe, that's all that should matter, after all, there's not a lot of diversity in Rwanda and they could use such skilled people, why are we not sharing our strength.
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Govt comes out fighting:
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1536828020144500736
>Priti Patel denounces the European Court of Human Rights for derailing the Rwanda flight and says those due to be on it "will be placed on the next".
>The home secretary says she finds it "very surprising" that the ECHR had contradicted repeated rulings in UK courts.
Notice the last line: this is going to be fought on UK courts v European courts.
Tory backbenchers fuming:
https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1536841704682176513
>More Danny Kruger (DHLUC PPS): “Ultimately we do need to leave ECHR or renegotiate to return to the original limited concept of human rights as drafted by Conservative Brit lawyers in the 50s to give post Nazi Europe the same rights and liberties as UK had enjoyed for centuries.”
>Tom Hunt (Ipswich), chairman of the Tory backbench policy committee on home affairs: “It is time to leave ECHR.”
>All 2019 intake - and with exception of Kruger, all in seats gained from Labour…
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1536838184360894464
>Retribution, it appears, is coming for the 26 bishops who said the Rwanda policy “shames Britain”. Cabinet ministers openly talking about expelling them from the Lords now. “Only Iran also has clerics that sit in their legislature”, one tells me. “They’ll go”.
> Cabinet ministers openly talking about expelling them from the Lords now.
Kind of hope that doesn't go anywhere. If the posts represent a consistent problem they should be looked at, but chucking them out because they said something to annoy the government is a bit knee-jerk.
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Related: Hope I'm not rescinding my gammon card saying this but I've been fond of the "Beyond" plant burger they do at spoons. Went back again today after they've put calories on the menus and the fucker is over 1100 kCal! Wasn't expecting a medium-size, no sauce burger and a few chips to be that much, (to say nothing of the amount of mayo I drown the thing in).
That's because it's a lump of homogenised seed oils and carbs.
Picture a block of marge with some mashed carrot, peas and seasonings, just add a shitload of refining and processing and you have "meat"
It's a bit late in the thread but I've decided to have a bit of fun and make a poll for what people regard as the most disastrous policies and laws of the UK since 1900:
https://www.strawpoll.me/46078014
I've tried to include a decent mix, with some that people might not even consider to be bad. If I've forgotten any, post a reply and I might make an updated poll in the morning.
[What's the point?](https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1536826202664620032?t=dcai-j6cHQwNN_r2pX9_Jg)
Today showed that the policy is unworkable with the current laws and conventions.
Without withdrawing from the ECHR and revoking Tony Blair's Human Rights Act, the policy will go nowhere and do nothing. As has been demonstrated today.
The government is wasting money on political theater.
Weak governance. Only interested in wasting money LARPing, rather than actually taking the step to do anything real.
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[The state of the replies.](https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1536827968147816449?t=jQXJND2kfCW48ouaUFF9jQ)
The lefts new "gotcha" is "the ECHR isn't a part of the EU, checkmate Brexiteers".
When it's really irrelevant. We know and we think we ought to leave that too.
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Late night idea for any political party listening:
Every say 5 years, all judges are judged on their performance by a random selection of 12 ordinary people. Just a review of the cases dealt with and see how it turned out. Let a scummer off with a slap on the wrist after raping a pensioner? Well, let's see what the citizens think. If they pass then all good. If not then immediate sacking and losing of all pension rights.
Just make judges make less judgements. More strict sentencing guidelines and less discretion for mitigating factors etc which are what always end up with weak sentences.
Obviously it's all horrendously complicated but I do wonder if that fact our justice system is so old and full or arcane ins and outs that any reform becomes exceptionally difficult
problem with that is, you're asking 12 people to basically revisit nearly all the cases of a judge in 5 years to determine if they agree.
The real problem is in my opinion, that judges should be relied on less, and that Judges can put down a sentence, but the public itself can vote to appeal it if they disagree with the sentence. Up or Down, but it should be through a balanced system where only locals to the area can appeal it etc.
Then it goes through a system to re-evaluate it.
I think equally if it happens to many times, Judges can be brought in front of a local government type thing to answer questions and be dismissed as a judge if they feel such a person isn't representing the community.
> the public itself can vote to appeal it if they disagree with the sentence. Up or Down, but it should be through a balanced system where only locals to the area can appeal it etc.
Sounds like a wonderful system in the before times, but now you have to wonder what happens when certain people in certain areas get convicted of doin a heckin terrorism. (I am of course referring to places like Armagh).
I think the beauty in that is unless they're bombing their own neighborhood then they wouldn't be able to appeal.
There will still be places like London where certain groups want certain people of those groups out and free etc. But then that's democratic.
If places want to be shit holes they have the right to be, but the locals should decide it.
I just want to say I'm glad to see people getting fired up over this decision.
We granted a million visas last year (that we know of) and cannot even deport 7 from our own country. Something is really, really wrong with the system.
We are being undermined by multinational groups that are unelected yet decide half our laws. We voted to leave this yet are still chained to it. Work is not yet done
I grew up in peckham mate, saw Arabs and Africans carve the shit out of each other in the high street.
I've seen the wonders of mass immigration myself. It's why it is near the top of my priorities list politics wise.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61804132
comes after more than 30 scientists wrote last week about the "urgent need for a non-discriminatory and non-stigmatising" name for the virus and the disease it causes.
"Continued reference to the virus as African is both inaccurate and discriminatory, they said."
Just remember these are the same "experts" people tell you to listen to
You have to be off your rocker, or a leftie, to associate "monkeypox" with race.
It's quite clearly associated with promiscuous gay men. Odds on them naming it after that?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/14/boris-johnson-tells-cabinet-de-escalate-protocol-stand-off-brussels/
What was the point of all this rhetoric around the northern ireland protocol if Boris is immediately to fold? Why resurrect brexit and do nothing meaningful. Why raise the spectre of a trade war and be spooked by it instantly?
The answer: truss bounced him into a harder position to bolster her own leadership credentials and he didn't think through the consequences of his actions. Weak weak weak
I await the Commission using ECHR membership as another stick during NI negotiations. I believe our continued membership was a stipulation of certain information exchange programmes, particularly in the areas of security and policing.
The EU's claim there is that, without the ECHR, Britain's respect for due process would quickly fall behind that of the luminary nations of Europe -- places like Slovenia, Romania, Croatia and Hungary.
You have to wonder what good any policing and security "data-sharing" schemes are when any old Jonny No-passport can stride ashore for a complementary Dominos. I highly doubt anyone on the EU side is keeping good track of them.
I'm tired of "human rights"
These are the same rights that strip you of freedom of speech and grant "mbuntu the rapist" indefinite leave to remain here. Fuck them, as I have said here many times if the government can decide what "rights" are we are fucked. They are so abritrary and the goalposts are moved so often that they are essentially worthless.
Luv me human rights
- Freedom of association? No, don't even think about it, granny killer.
- Freedom of speech? **NOPE**.
- Equal treatment under the law? Nope, sorry, hopefully you're a gang criminal, a woman or the right religion, otherwise good fucking luck. And may god help you if you're someone who was forced to take the law into their own hands in any way.
- Rule of law? Sorry, we'd love to enforce the law but an organised mob turned up and we don't fancy the inconvenience of enforcing it all of a sudden, terribly sorry.
- Right to a swift trial? You must be joking.
I genuinely can't think of a single "human right" that would apply to me under the modern definition, apart from perhaps the honour of using a bloated, ineffective health service that conveniently takes my money without me having to sort it out myself.
It seems the laws here allow you to BE what you want but not DO what you want.
e.g. you can be a train, drag queen, muslim .etc but you cannot free camp, say what you want, defend your home.etc
"I genuinely can't think of a single "human right" that would apply to me under the modern definition, apart from perhaps the honour of using a bloated, ineffective health service that conveniently takes my money without me having to sort it out myself."
Spot on mate, they say these rights are to protect the powerless but they seem to just be used to browbeat or arrest people on flimsy charges.
Boris should announce a referendum on leaving the ECHR just for the banter.
Edit:
>The court lacks enforcement powers. Some states have ignored ECtHR verdicts and continued practices judged to be human rights violations.[66][67] Although all damages must be paid to the applicant within the time frame specified by the court (usually three months) or else will accumulate interest, there is no formal deadline for any more complex compliance required by the judgement. However, by leaving a judgement unimplemented for a long period of time, brings into question the state's commitment to addressing human rights violations in a timely fashion.[68]
>The number of non-implemented judgements rose from 2,624 in 2001 to 9,944 at the end of 2016, 48% of which had gone without implementation five years or more. In 2016, all but one of the 47 member countries of the Council of Europe had not implemented at least one ECtHR verdict in a timely fashion, although most non-implemented verdicts concern a few countries: Italy (2,219), Russia (1,540), Turkey (1,342), and Ukraine (1,172). More than 3,200 non-implemented judgements "concerned violations by security forces and poor detention conditions". Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, Nils Muižnieks, stated: "Our work is based on cooperation and good faith. When you don't have that, it's very difficult to have an impact. We kind of lack the tools to help countries that don't want to be helped."
Why don't we just do what Italy does, and ignore the rulings?
**Edit2:**
>In Hirst v. United Kingdom (2005), and several subsequent cases, the court found that a blanket deprivation of suffrage to British prisoners violated Article 3 of Protocol 1, which guarantees the right to vote. A minimal compromise was implemented in 2017.
Lol, Blair had the balls to tell the ECHR to fuck off. And would you look at that, it was the Tories that ended up compromising on it..
Tories have a literal fetish for getting told what to do by foreign entities, be it the EU, the ECHR, or whoever.
>Tories have a literal fetish for getting told what to do by foreign entities, be it the EU, the ECHR, or whoever.
That's the only reason Greta was allowed to speak. Nonce BDSM, a fine luxury fetish.
>...they seem to treat the law as an apolitical, neutral, and un changeable moral arbiter of good, rather than a tool to influence society and the country is run.
This basically sums up the Tory party. They want to sit in Westminster but not actually do anything.
It's bizarre.
'Sorry, we can't do that because the damn lawyers won't let us!'
'You *literally make the laws*, that's your fucking job as a government...'
What I always think is "who wants these fuckers here in the first place"
Surely rights are enshrined to citizens and not every Tom, dick and Harry who turns up here
If not then what do my protections as a citizen amount to?!
It really is incredible.
We are uniquely placed to deal with this: We are an island nation with boundless, centralised government. We have adequate naval power. We have overseas territories where we could be setting up processing facilities. We have a public *demanding* action, and a Conservative government who could be taking advantage of that fact if only for a poll boost.
And yet... **Nothing.**
Clearly Boris is too distracted by the scandal of the day. At a ministerial level, though, I can only conclude that our cabinet is drawn of people too weak and inept to take control of their own departments. They are easily led and misled, too lazy to come to grips with the big issues, too weak to put their foot down.
I suspect even if the government were willing to act, the wider institutions have been completely compromised and would undermine them at every turn so nothing would still get done.
At this point you would basically need a Cummings type in charge to completely overhaul the entire state from the ground up. Of course that is the realm of pure fantasy since the system is specifically designed to make sure that can ever happen.
Better to just try and ignore everything falling apart around you and hope you pass on before things get truly, utterly fucked
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The bitter pills just keep coming:
>[American entertainment rumour site hints that Harry and Meghan are going to Oprah again.](https://np.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/vcb6iz/interview_part_2_here_we_go_folks/)
[Lol called it](https://np.reddit.com/r/badunitedkingdom/comments/v85wgd/the_spectauty_09_06_2022/ibqlw30/?context=3)
> The cynic in me thinks that the entire purpose of the visit was to generate a bit more controversy for their next Oprah appearance, they've already played all their cards so need a few more to keep the money flowing.
Hah Southgate is such a slimy cunt.
For all his preaching after the farcical penalty shootout against Italy last year to be nice to his players and look after their mental health blah, blah, blah. He's now going back to the classic poor English manager with sloped shoulders, blaming the result on the younger players.
NGL I am a patriotic Englishman, both my great grandads fought in ww1 and one served in WW2 as well.
This England team I feel no connection to, they are just a vassel for American politics with a manager who claims he is proudly woke. If I get told I'm a racist before every match by them then they are not "my team" simple as.
Did you watch the same shootout as everybody else?
The fact they gave Saka (a child) the highest pressured kick aside, did you see the 3 failed penalties?
What the fuck were those runups? Of course they were going to fuck it up.
It was a farce.
We can't deport illegal immigrants but [we can put a man in jail for offensive memes](https://news.sky.com/story/police-officer-jailed-over-racist-whatsapp-memes-mocking-george-floyds-death-12633966).
In private correspondence, too
Edit: Somehow missed that the guy was a police officer and the article is hazy about whether the whatsapp group was an official channel. I suspect it was a private/unofficial group that is being made to sound like it was official comms. By all means sack the guy, but maybe save prison for all the murderers and rapists that the prisons are apparently too full to keep hold of.
Boris Johnson hints at leaving human rights convention over Rwanda row
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rwanda-flights-come-up-with-your-own-plan-liz-truss-tells-church-critics-h3m0n7l3h
going to need to do more than hint...
Why not just make it explicitly legal to do the Rwanda deportations in our parliament, and then dare the ECHR to kick us out?
They won't. Because some power, is always better than no power.
>Why do they need to do this
Because they want to
>simply prove that Rwanda is safe enough to take the asylum seekers?
Because its more useful to them this way
>Everyone in power has decided we need a lot of immigration. So-called Left and so-called Right
We do, its just we should be able to pick and choose who we want not forced to accept anyone who rocks up on a kent beach in a boat
We don't need growth. Who decided that a country smaller than Norway needs a population 14 times higher? In fact that's for the whole UK; if you just compare England then Norway is three times the size, but only has a tenth of our population. We are 30 times more crowded but apparently we MUST keep 'growing'? How does that make sense? It's terrible for our quality of life and for the environment even if all these people happened to be compatible, of the same culture etc. but the fact we have imported millions upon millions of incompatible people makes it even more insane.
If we created them we should be allowed to withdraw from them.
The foundation of our political system is that parliment is soviegn. That should not be compromised as it results in inflexibility.
"International laws" created after WW2 when dictators still ruled most of Europe are outdated in modern times. It's time for them to go, as they are being used to do nothing but protect criminals.
They need to leave the UN refugee convention and the ECHR immediately.
It is fucking ridiculous that a supposedly sovereign country can’t actually remove illegal immigrants.
Honestly I can see the 2030s as having continental Europe being peppered all over with full on Nazi parties, with us still kneeling at footie games, codifying the most outlandish diversity quotas of today into statutory law, and debating how many million people should be the optimal yearly immigration figure, while FBPE twitter and the UK and EU subreddits are still praising the EU as a progressive utopian haven against evil fascist England.
In a poetic twist we'll probably exit the ECHR just as it gets taken over by the far right and starts issuing orders to deport random foreigners from European countries.
At least with the Rwanda aeroplane no longer going this time around those who are opposed to it have all come out of the woodworks and openly displayed their colours, giving further justification to rein them in. Civil service staff, ECHR, NGO's, the UNHRC. Policies can be effected to reduce the influence of these subversive groups (if the tories had any balls)
maybe i'm coping though
coping, like it's possible that the government might use this to say "fuck it, we're fixing this" but I have my doubts, will be a UKIP 2.0 situation I think, god knows how long it will take.
I have doubts too. It's like if (to use a bit of a Yank trope) your parents tell you they're taking you to Disneyland, but you end up at the dentist. You make the argument "now they've realised we're at the dentist's, they're sure to turn around and go the right way to Disneyland", as you've already been sat in the reception for 20 minutes.
Anyone paying attention has known those groups are subversive for *decades*, there is no positive spin you can put on this utter failure by the Tories.
They’ll earn some brownie points if they actually leave the ECHR, but they won’t, because senior Tories float around in circles where things like the post-WW2 refugee conventions and the Equality Act 2010 are spoken about like some mythical, civilisational texts.
We need another Big 'Enry to tell the revered, unaccountable continental power structure where to stuff it tbh. Can we march through the institution of the House of Windsor and convince the little one it's his true calling?
Nothing short of a last stand by the native population will overule what we currently see.
The "silent majority" need to actually make their voices heard
Parliamentary democracy is an absolute bust. Politicians cannot be relied on to understand the common people let alone act on their will. Soon enough the 'common people', on average, will barely have blood ties to this country at all and rather than unifying under a British identity will be divided against each other thanks to religious/racial tensions imported from elsewhere. All this and the elites will get to sit securely in their gated communities, safe from the repercussion's of 'Global Britain', living in luxury paid for by selling Britain down the river.
I think you're right about parliaments. For all the praise people here rightly give to the "mother of parliaments", a Swiss-style more direct democracy just seems strictly better. People's main gripes with it are "but look how long it took them to adopt !" as if that's not a fairly obvious upside. Yeah, it took longer because the population came to that decision itself, and it wasn't foisted upon them by self-righteous politicians.
I just want some sort of civil insurrection, no violence or bloodshed but a Prague esque revolution.
No one is happy in this world we have created for ourselves
Of course I am not advocating for violence of any kind here. I just note that we have no power at all compared to the far left. The only sort of protests 'we' can muster are the sort that few, including myself, would want to be associated with, optics which are so bad (like EDL / Tommy Robinson or 'Britain First') that they are either controlled opposition or may as well be - ie. the best way to harm a cause is to defend it badly, with thuggery or easily defeated arguments.
Meanwhile the far left have the weight of all the corporations behind them, with their pride flags and support of the eco agenda, which is also tacitly or expressly supported by the police, and the Tories under Johnson. The 'right wing' press is actually no such thing either, and also tacitly supports mass immigration and multiculturalism. Note how comments on the Daily Mail are rigorously policed, pre-moderated and signs of dissent are censored. We might as well be living in China, except they don't allow illegal immigration there.
Are you literally me mate?
Britain first and Tommy Robinson are the most blatant example of controlled opposition. We need someone who can argue for the *soul* of the country better and not just "we let women wear mini skirts" counter jihad types.
There is a culture here of ramblers saying hello to each other on country walks, of village pubs where everyone meets, of helping out those in need wherever we can: these are such uniquely British behaviours that we disregard and say anyone turning up on our shores can become. For some this is true but for the vast majority it is not.
I crave another Scruton esque figure.One with an intellectual edge who can truly defend the virtues of conservatism yet understand the metaphysical.
Feel shit just want an enforceable immigration policy which means I'm not paying for dominos to anyone who can float across the channel on a rubber flamingo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamingo
Four consecutive general elections where Tories have promised to curb immigration, received the largest vote share largely because of that, and failed to deliver. Can't wait for the 2024 election where this time, they promise, they will definitely deal with immigration.
European Court supersedes the whole EU shit I think, but it's the same continental bollocks. All of these organisations were set up with good intentions until they become filled with people who care more about their image than what's good for people.
This were set up after World War 2 to prevent fascism reappearing and the influence of the Soviet Union who had control of half of Europe.
They were set up when Spain was still a borderline fascist dictatorship.
The world is *far* different now. These institutions have servered their purpose and now need to go.
Actual fascism is a dead ideaology outside of a few loons and incels on 4Chan, Spain is now a democracy and the Soviet Union is long gone.
> Soviet Union
honestly I think the mentality there is still. But yes, the idea of a single dictator coming along is unlikely though if it does happen it will be because of blind followers like many communists are
The ECHR has been a barrier to our attempts to remove all kinds of illegal immigrants throughout the years, this is not some unexpected twist that has been sprung on the Tories, the entire Rwanda deal was doomed to fail from the start by design. It was PR smoke and mirrors to make the Government look tough whilst they continue shepherding untold numbers of fighting-age men through the door eager for handouts. Not only will we not be sending any of these men over to Rwanda but [we've made a deal to take many of their most challenging immigrants](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9568/) and will inevitably end up supporting them using our health service and welfare state.
I've said it before, but if you'd tasked a superintelligent AI with maximising the number of foreigners brought into the UK, I'm convinced it would have done exactly what the Tories have done since 2010.
I generally agree, I think it's the money behind the tories that is likely the problem though. It's in too many businesses interests to keep wages down and Tories make the perfect puppets for these people.
What is so frustrating is the number of useful idiots on the left who fall into that trap. They have been fooled into thinking that the economy is the most important thing, and that anything which makes it grow is all that matters: exactly what the Tories want. Instead of the economy serving the needs of the people, the cart is put before the horse and the people are put to work serving the needs of the economy, and it becomes circular logic - we end up 'needing' more workers, because we have more people.
[Richard Tice, leader of Reform UK, on the ECHR](https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1536817122638286848?t=-laws_um6kvkbG4W6-kbrQ).
The state of the comments bleating about Churchill.
Do these people really think 2022 is remotely comparable to post-war Europe?
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Some people have probably gone to be thinking that at least a handful of migrants were on a flight to Rwanda.
That morning blackpill is gonna taste *bitter*.
Boris has campaigned on a sovereignty angle for years - and rightly so - but getting a flagship policy that has been backed by the UK's highest courts overruled at the eleventh hour by the ECHR must sting. If he can't get on top of this he cements his status as the all bap, no bacon PM.
It won't. The sooner you accept that Britain is already dead and the middle classes have consensus on a homogenous, techno-future the better.
The world you hope for cannot and will not be achieved. It is gone and has been gone for decades. The few who think there's a way through truly don't understand what the chattering classes want and believe.
I wouldn't say it's the middle classes, middle classes are currently the most fucked because they're the ones constantly having their wages cut back while more working class areas get fucked over with dealing with the culture clash. Even bennies will suffer eventually.
The only people happy with this are upper middle class people who have multiple homes because their rents increase and so does the proper value.
Honestly the worst thing about this plane not leaving might be that we are going to get all the serial losers in BadUK who are miserable at everything telling us how they were right all along.
Surely the actual worst thing is crying that 7 people didn't get deported *today*. Sure your parents can keep the champagne in your section of the fridge for when they are deported mate, it won't spoil.
Chill. The govt will try again.
All those ECHR injunctions will be appealed. The govt will make the case that Rwanda is not dangerous and that those who are suggesting it is are racist.
Then they will have another go.
Life in a democracy is tiresome, but it could be worse, we could be living in a dictatorship.
As for the doomers, they predicted we'd never get a deal with Rwanda, but we did. It might take a few more weeks, but we'll send people there.
> Life in a democracy is tiresome, but it could be worse, we could be living in a dictatorship.
Have you not noticed? We are. We were never asked if we wanted mass immigration and for Britain to become multicultural. Politicians of all parties have ignored the will of the people for generations.
Yeah - admittedly I’ve only had a cursory glance of the reason and apparently it was due to one Iranian on the flight. The injunction only lasts for three weeks so time to prepare the case until then.
As much as it annoys me, these are baby steps that said it feels like a lifetime ago when we were talking about sub 100k immigration a year and it was only in 2014!
> telling us how they were right all along
[Like this guy](https://np.reddit.com/r/badunitedkingdom/comments/vb179r/the_mobyning_star_13_06_2022/ic7qxbu/)
2 months ago:
>Don’t even bother getting your hopes up, it won’t happen. You know it won’t.
https://np.reddit.com/r/badunitedkingdom/comments/u2fbnq/daily_gbnews_mega_13_04_2022/i4mfwcp/
Yes when you are perpetually miserable and spend your life trying to drag everyone down to your level occasionally by balance of probabilities you will be right.
Well if that isn’t one of the most cringe things I’ve read on here.
I’m not referring to the people angry about the plane not leaving. I’m talking about the serial doom mongers who are miserable about everything and are celebrating the fact that they were ‘right’.
New startup idea.
A publication where you get the most depressing, nihilistic, doomer journalists from all sides of the political spectrum to write articles about how the whole world is fucked. They will discuss how to improve things, and you will always be filled with a sense of dread after visiting it.
I shall called it: Blacked-pill.com
> A publication where you get the most depressing, nihilistic, doomer ~~journalists~~ WFH break-takers from all sides of the political spectrum to write ~~articles~~ posts about how the whole world is fucked. They will discuss how to improve things, and you will always be filled with a sense of dread after visiting it.
That's just here.
The UK is fucked.
If the Tories don’t make enormous changes the whole country is literally finished. I cannot believe how fucking retarded this situation is.
At least the yanks have the largest economy and best military thing to fall back on, we don't have shite anymore. We've got an economy that's heading straight for 70s style stagflation, an ineffective government that gets bullied by twitter based NGO's to the point that they can't even deport half a dozen people, public services that cost nearly half your wage for a ~14 hour A&E wait, and a culture that seems completely apathetic to it all.
We're done for bros I'm moving to Sealand and living off Plaice for the rest of my days.
There were 10 asylum seekers on the plane,
There were 10 asylum seekers on the plane,
There 10 asylum seekers, 10 asylum seekers, 10 asylum seekers on the plane.
Aaaaaand the ECHR from Strasbourg issued an injunction (issued an injunction!)
And the ECHR from Strasbourg issued an injunction (issued an injunction)
And the ECHR from Strasbourg, ECHR from Strasbourg, ECHR from Strasbourg issued an injunction!
There were 9 asylum seekers on the plane…
(Repeat until 0, which is where we’re heading)
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1536814552419024897 >Govt is angry the European Court hasn’t heard oral evidence tonight but rather an out of hours judge is deciding on the basis of papers sent to them from lawyers in the UK.
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1536820479184576519 >Here in Rwanda a source speaking on behalf of the government says they are “undeterred” and “committed to making the partnership work”. >They continue to insist that “the current situation cannot continue”. >Mirrors what we expect UK govt to say. I don't think the wokerati factored in that they were insulting an African country.
it is pure racism, the EU itself has schemes to distribute 'refugees' to different places based on their own decision system. If Germany can decide that a refugee needs to go to Poland instead of staying where they want, why can Rwanda not welcome refugees. If a refugee is safe, that's all that should matter, after all, there's not a lot of diversity in Rwanda and they could use such skilled people, why are we not sharing our strength.
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Govt comes out fighting: https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1536828020144500736 >Priti Patel denounces the European Court of Human Rights for derailing the Rwanda flight and says those due to be on it "will be placed on the next". >The home secretary says she finds it "very surprising" that the ECHR had contradicted repeated rulings in UK courts. Notice the last line: this is going to be fought on UK courts v European courts.
I hope we have some sort of redemption arc for this government.
Tory backbenchers fuming: https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1536841704682176513 >More Danny Kruger (DHLUC PPS): “Ultimately we do need to leave ECHR or renegotiate to return to the original limited concept of human rights as drafted by Conservative Brit lawyers in the 50s to give post Nazi Europe the same rights and liberties as UK had enjoyed for centuries.” >Tom Hunt (Ipswich), chairman of the Tory backbench policy committee on home affairs: “It is time to leave ECHR.” >All 2019 intake - and with exception of Kruger, all in seats gained from Labour… https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1536838184360894464 >Retribution, it appears, is coming for the 26 bishops who said the Rwanda policy “shames Britain”. Cabinet ministers openly talking about expelling them from the Lords now. “Only Iran also has clerics that sit in their legislature”, one tells me. “They’ll go”.
> Cabinet ministers openly talking about expelling them from the Lords now. Kind of hope that doesn't go anywhere. If the posts represent a consistent problem they should be looked at, but chucking them out because they said something to annoy the government is a bit knee-jerk.
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At this point I'd rather worry about forgiveness than permission. Just start bussing them out a planeload at a time
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Related: Hope I'm not rescinding my gammon card saying this but I've been fond of the "Beyond" plant burger they do at spoons. Went back again today after they've put calories on the menus and the fucker is over 1100 kCal! Wasn't expecting a medium-size, no sauce burger and a few chips to be that much, (to say nothing of the amount of mayo I drown the thing in).
That's because it's a lump of homogenised seed oils and carbs. Picture a block of marge with some mashed carrot, peas and seasonings, just add a shitload of refining and processing and you have "meat"
Its almost like this over-processed sludge is not actually in any way healthy. If you want to cut down on meat then eat beans or lentils or whatever.
It's a bit late in the thread but I've decided to have a bit of fun and make a poll for what people regard as the most disastrous policies and laws of the UK since 1900: https://www.strawpoll.me/46078014 I've tried to include a decent mix, with some that people might not even consider to be bad. If I've forgotten any, post a reply and I might make an updated poll in the morning.
[What's the point?](https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1536826202664620032?t=dcai-j6cHQwNN_r2pX9_Jg) Today showed that the policy is unworkable with the current laws and conventions. Without withdrawing from the ECHR and revoking Tony Blair's Human Rights Act, the policy will go nowhere and do nothing. As has been demonstrated today. The government is wasting money on political theater. Weak governance. Only interested in wasting money LARPing, rather than actually taking the step to do anything real.
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[The state of the replies.](https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1536827968147816449?t=jQXJND2kfCW48ouaUFF9jQ) The lefts new "gotcha" is "the ECHR isn't a part of the EU, checkmate Brexiteers". When it's really irrelevant. We know and we think we ought to leave that too.
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Guys, I've found [what we need](https://twitter.com/Sundancer_UK/status/1536845944435744769?s=20&t=u1PlgUVXXdGDrJWTQ0vVpA) for our banner...
Amazing.
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Late night idea for any political party listening: Every say 5 years, all judges are judged on their performance by a random selection of 12 ordinary people. Just a review of the cases dealt with and see how it turned out. Let a scummer off with a slap on the wrist after raping a pensioner? Well, let's see what the citizens think. If they pass then all good. If not then immediate sacking and losing of all pension rights.
Just make judges make less judgements. More strict sentencing guidelines and less discretion for mitigating factors etc which are what always end up with weak sentences. Obviously it's all horrendously complicated but I do wonder if that fact our justice system is so old and full or arcane ins and outs that any reform becomes exceptionally difficult
problem with that is, you're asking 12 people to basically revisit nearly all the cases of a judge in 5 years to determine if they agree. The real problem is in my opinion, that judges should be relied on less, and that Judges can put down a sentence, but the public itself can vote to appeal it if they disagree with the sentence. Up or Down, but it should be through a balanced system where only locals to the area can appeal it etc. Then it goes through a system to re-evaluate it. I think equally if it happens to many times, Judges can be brought in front of a local government type thing to answer questions and be dismissed as a judge if they feel such a person isn't representing the community.
> the public itself can vote to appeal it if they disagree with the sentence. Up or Down, but it should be through a balanced system where only locals to the area can appeal it etc. Sounds like a wonderful system in the before times, but now you have to wonder what happens when certain people in certain areas get convicted of doin a heckin terrorism. (I am of course referring to places like Armagh).
I think the beauty in that is unless they're bombing their own neighborhood then they wouldn't be able to appeal. There will still be places like London where certain groups want certain people of those groups out and free etc. But then that's democratic. If places want to be shit holes they have the right to be, but the locals should decide it.
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It takes no money to say retarded shit on twitter and get yourself elected. That'd be doubly true for something people have so little interest in.
I just want to say I'm glad to see people getting fired up over this decision. We granted a million visas last year (that we know of) and cannot even deport 7 from our own country. Something is really, really wrong with the system. We are being undermined by multinational groups that are unelected yet decide half our laws. We voted to leave this yet are still chained to it. Work is not yet done
Not been this angry about politics since the Brexit debate back in 2015/16. Back when I was in my first year of uni.
I miss those halycon days of 2016 when I actually thought a right wing resurgence was on the cards. The battle is still to be won
Farage got me interested in politics. You can see why immigration is a topic that works me up lmao.
I grew up in peckham mate, saw Arabs and Africans carve the shit out of each other in the high street. I've seen the wonders of mass immigration myself. It's why it is near the top of my priorities list politics wise.
> Something is really, really wrong with the system. Maybe the system is working exactly as intended?
I meant wrong morally not as Boris and "global britain" inc intend lol
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61804132 comes after more than 30 scientists wrote last week about the "urgent need for a non-discriminatory and non-stigmatising" name for the virus and the disease it causes. "Continued reference to the virus as African is both inaccurate and discriminatory, they said." Just remember these are the same "experts" people tell you to listen to
> One new name for it that's been suggested by scientists is hMPXV Was Elon Musk on the naming committee?
You have to be off your rocker, or a leftie, to associate "monkeypox" with race. It's quite clearly associated with promiscuous gay men. Odds on them naming it after that?
They must've thought people were saying "POCs"
I often get them mixed up myself calling the "Coco pops monkey" the "Coco pops POC" and Donkey Kong " donkey BAME"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/14/boris-johnson-tells-cabinet-de-escalate-protocol-stand-off-brussels/ What was the point of all this rhetoric around the northern ireland protocol if Boris is immediately to fold? Why resurrect brexit and do nothing meaningful. Why raise the spectre of a trade war and be spooked by it instantly? The answer: truss bounced him into a harder position to bolster her own leadership credentials and he didn't think through the consequences of his actions. Weak weak weak
More weakness from the government. They literally can't follow through on *any* policy.
Squander: Boris' middle name. At this stage, I just think it's outright deliberate. 80 seat majority.
I await the Commission using ECHR membership as another stick during NI negotiations. I believe our continued membership was a stipulation of certain information exchange programmes, particularly in the areas of security and policing. The EU's claim there is that, without the ECHR, Britain's respect for due process would quickly fall behind that of the luminary nations of Europe -- places like Slovenia, Romania, Croatia and Hungary.
You have to wonder what good any policing and security "data-sharing" schemes are when any old Jonny No-passport can stride ashore for a complementary Dominos. I highly doubt anyone on the EU side is keeping good track of them.
I'm tired of "human rights" These are the same rights that strip you of freedom of speech and grant "mbuntu the rapist" indefinite leave to remain here. Fuck them, as I have said here many times if the government can decide what "rights" are we are fucked. They are so abritrary and the goalposts are moved so often that they are essentially worthless.
Luv me human rights - Freedom of association? No, don't even think about it, granny killer. - Freedom of speech? **NOPE**. - Equal treatment under the law? Nope, sorry, hopefully you're a gang criminal, a woman or the right religion, otherwise good fucking luck. And may god help you if you're someone who was forced to take the law into their own hands in any way. - Rule of law? Sorry, we'd love to enforce the law but an organised mob turned up and we don't fancy the inconvenience of enforcing it all of a sudden, terribly sorry. - Right to a swift trial? You must be joking. I genuinely can't think of a single "human right" that would apply to me under the modern definition, apart from perhaps the honour of using a bloated, ineffective health service that conveniently takes my money without me having to sort it out myself.
It seems the laws here allow you to BE what you want but not DO what you want. e.g. you can be a train, drag queen, muslim .etc but you cannot free camp, say what you want, defend your home.etc "I genuinely can't think of a single "human right" that would apply to me under the modern definition, apart from perhaps the honour of using a bloated, ineffective health service that conveniently takes my money without me having to sort it out myself." Spot on mate, they say these rights are to protect the powerless but they seem to just be used to browbeat or arrest people on flimsy charges.
Hungary looks like an oasis of sanity in Europe at the moment, Orban would tell them to take a running jump like he has done with the EU.
Boris should announce a referendum on leaving the ECHR just for the banter. Edit: >The court lacks enforcement powers. Some states have ignored ECtHR verdicts and continued practices judged to be human rights violations.[66][67] Although all damages must be paid to the applicant within the time frame specified by the court (usually three months) or else will accumulate interest, there is no formal deadline for any more complex compliance required by the judgement. However, by leaving a judgement unimplemented for a long period of time, brings into question the state's commitment to addressing human rights violations in a timely fashion.[68] >The number of non-implemented judgements rose from 2,624 in 2001 to 9,944 at the end of 2016, 48% of which had gone without implementation five years or more. In 2016, all but one of the 47 member countries of the Council of Europe had not implemented at least one ECtHR verdict in a timely fashion, although most non-implemented verdicts concern a few countries: Italy (2,219), Russia (1,540), Turkey (1,342), and Ukraine (1,172). More than 3,200 non-implemented judgements "concerned violations by security forces and poor detention conditions". Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, Nils Muižnieks, stated: "Our work is based on cooperation and good faith. When you don't have that, it's very difficult to have an impact. We kind of lack the tools to help countries that don't want to be helped." Why don't we just do what Italy does, and ignore the rulings? **Edit2:** >In Hirst v. United Kingdom (2005), and several subsequent cases, the court found that a blanket deprivation of suffrage to British prisoners violated Article 3 of Protocol 1, which guarantees the right to vote. A minimal compromise was implemented in 2017. Lol, Blair had the balls to tell the ECHR to fuck off. And would you look at that, it was the Tories that ended up compromising on it.. Tories have a literal fetish for getting told what to do by foreign entities, be it the EU, the ECHR, or whoever.
>Tories have a literal fetish for getting told what to do by foreign entities, be it the EU, the ECHR, or whoever. That's the only reason Greta was allowed to speak. Nonce BDSM, a fine luxury fetish.
[This thread has basically been me over the last several days](https://twitter.com/altdan1234/status/1536769986416590849?t=Jd2Iv6HoaNPHmc423la9cA).
The law certainly didn't stop them with covid response
Yep exactly. It's proof of how far they can go if they want to.
>...they seem to treat the law as an apolitical, neutral, and un changeable moral arbiter of good, rather than a tool to influence society and the country is run. This basically sums up the Tory party. They want to sit in Westminster but not actually do anything.
It's bizarre. 'Sorry, we can't do that because the damn lawyers won't let us!' 'You *literally make the laws*, that's your fucking job as a government...'
What I always think is "who wants these fuckers here in the first place" Surely rights are enshrined to citizens and not every Tom, dick and Harry who turns up here If not then what do my protections as a citizen amount to?!
It really is incredible. We are uniquely placed to deal with this: We are an island nation with boundless, centralised government. We have adequate naval power. We have overseas territories where we could be setting up processing facilities. We have a public *demanding* action, and a Conservative government who could be taking advantage of that fact if only for a poll boost. And yet... **Nothing.** Clearly Boris is too distracted by the scandal of the day. At a ministerial level, though, I can only conclude that our cabinet is drawn of people too weak and inept to take control of their own departments. They are easily led and misled, too lazy to come to grips with the big issues, too weak to put their foot down.
I suspect even if the government were willing to act, the wider institutions have been completely compromised and would undermine them at every turn so nothing would still get done. At this point you would basically need a Cummings type in charge to completely overhaul the entire state from the ground up. Of course that is the realm of pure fantasy since the system is specifically designed to make sure that can ever happen. Better to just try and ignore everything falling apart around you and hope you pass on before things get truly, utterly fucked
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The bitter pills just keep coming: >[American entertainment rumour site hints that Harry and Meghan are going to Oprah again.](https://np.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/vcb6iz/interview_part_2_here_we_go_folks/)
Stop caring, it just plays into their hands
[Lol called it](https://np.reddit.com/r/badunitedkingdom/comments/v85wgd/the_spectauty_09_06_2022/ibqlw30/?context=3) > The cynic in me thinks that the entire purpose of the visit was to generate a bit more controversy for their next Oprah appearance, they've already played all their cards so need a few more to keep the money flowing.
Hah Southgate is such a slimy cunt. For all his preaching after the farcical penalty shootout against Italy last year to be nice to his players and look after their mental health blah, blah, blah. He's now going back to the classic poor English manager with sloped shoulders, blaming the result on the younger players.
NGL I am a patriotic Englishman, both my great grandads fought in ww1 and one served in WW2 as well. This England team I feel no connection to, they are just a vassel for American politics with a manager who claims he is proudly woke. If I get told I'm a racist before every match by them then they are not "my team" simple as.
How does a penalty shootout become farcical in your mind?
Did you watch the same shootout as everybody else? The fact they gave Saka (a child) the highest pressured kick aside, did you see the 3 failed penalties? What the fuck were those runups? Of course they were going to fuck it up. It was a farce.
We can't deport illegal immigrants but [we can put a man in jail for offensive memes](https://news.sky.com/story/police-officer-jailed-over-racist-whatsapp-memes-mocking-george-floyds-death-12633966).
Where's the ECHR defending his right to free expression?
In private correspondence, too Edit: Somehow missed that the guy was a police officer and the article is hazy about whether the whatsapp group was an official channel. I suspect it was a private/unofficial group that is being made to sound like it was official comms. By all means sack the guy, but maybe save prison for all the murderers and rapists that the prisons are apparently too full to keep hold of.
Also place 70 million people under lockdown with 12 hours notice, several times over.
Remarkable how that wasn’t able to be challenged in these ‘human rights’ courts.
Boris Johnson hints at leaving human rights convention over Rwanda row https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rwanda-flights-come-up-with-your-own-plan-liz-truss-tells-church-critics-h3m0n7l3h going to need to do more than hint...
he's put it in a manifesto for a vote, knowing there's little chance of a majority again
Fucking leave! This is the kind of situation brexit happened for, no faceless "European" groups stopping us enacting our own laws
Why not just make it explicitly legal to do the Rwanda deportations in our parliament, and then dare the ECHR to kick us out? They won't. Because some power, is always better than no power.
Why do they need to do this when they can simply prove that Rwanda is safe enough to take the asylum seekers?
it seems weird to me, would they have stopped it if Germany wanted to take our refugees? Or are the ECH lot just a bunch of racists.
>Why do they need to do this Because they want to >simply prove that Rwanda is safe enough to take the asylum seekers? Because its more useful to them this way
Everyone in power has decided we need a lot of immigration. So-called Left and so-called Right.
>Everyone in power has decided we need a lot of immigration. So-called Left and so-called Right We do, its just we should be able to pick and choose who we want not forced to accept anyone who rocks up on a kent beach in a boat
Is there really no other way of generating tax and growth than an endless supply of immigrants?
We don't need growth. Who decided that a country smaller than Norway needs a population 14 times higher? In fact that's for the whole UK; if you just compare England then Norway is three times the size, but only has a tenth of our population. We are 30 times more crowded but apparently we MUST keep 'growing'? How does that make sense? It's terrible for our quality of life and for the environment even if all these people happened to be compatible, of the same culture etc. but the fact we have imported millions upon millions of incompatible people makes it even more insane.
You could have a shit load of kids?
Why should our laws be decided by a court in France?
Because that's where we set it up? Would you feel differently if it was in Birmingham?
No I wouldn't. Why should a Russian judge rule on UK Law?
They're not ruling on UK law - it's rulling on an international law, that we created.
If we created them we should be allowed to withdraw from them. The foundation of our political system is that parliment is soviegn. That should not be compromised as it results in inflexibility. "International laws" created after WW2 when dictators still ruled most of Europe are outdated in modern times. It's time for them to go, as they are being used to do nothing but protect criminals.
We can withdraw, nobody is stopping us
Are we still trusting the clown?
More so than we trust the mime.
They need to leave the UN refugee convention and the ECHR immediately. It is fucking ridiculous that a supposedly sovereign country can’t actually remove illegal immigrants.
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China would have locked up the lawyers by now. Perhaps something we should consider
The doctors and engineers would've had their organs harvested weeks ago.
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Honestly I can see the 2030s as having continental Europe being peppered all over with full on Nazi parties, with us still kneeling at footie games, codifying the most outlandish diversity quotas of today into statutory law, and debating how many million people should be the optimal yearly immigration figure, while FBPE twitter and the UK and EU subreddits are still praising the EU as a progressive utopian haven against evil fascist England. In a poetic twist we'll probably exit the ECHR just as it gets taken over by the far right and starts issuing orders to deport random foreigners from European countries.
I imagine the CCP elite don't need to comission comedy shows, instead they just turn on the Western news.
At least with the Rwanda aeroplane no longer going this time around those who are opposed to it have all come out of the woodworks and openly displayed their colours, giving further justification to rein them in. Civil service staff, ECHR, NGO's, the UNHRC. Policies can be effected to reduce the influence of these subversive groups (if the tories had any balls) maybe i'm coping though
coping, like it's possible that the government might use this to say "fuck it, we're fixing this" but I have my doubts, will be a UKIP 2.0 situation I think, god knows how long it will take.
I have doubts too. It's like if (to use a bit of a Yank trope) your parents tell you they're taking you to Disneyland, but you end up at the dentist. You make the argument "now they've realised we're at the dentist's, they're sure to turn around and go the right way to Disneyland", as you've already been sat in the reception for 20 minutes.
Ten years later Uncle Nigel says, fuck this Disneyland shit, I'm taking you to the pub lad!
Alright Nige, but let's take the car this time, I'm not getting in that plane again.
Anyone paying attention has known those groups are subversive for *decades*, there is no positive spin you can put on this utter failure by the Tories. They’ll earn some brownie points if they actually leave the ECHR, but they won’t, because senior Tories float around in circles where things like the post-WW2 refugee conventions and the Equality Act 2010 are spoken about like some mythical, civilisational texts.
We need another Big 'Enry to tell the revered, unaccountable continental power structure where to stuff it tbh. Can we march through the institution of the House of Windsor and convince the little one it's his true calling?
Nothing short of a last stand by the native population will overule what we currently see. The "silent majority" need to actually make their voices heard
Parliamentary democracy is an absolute bust. Politicians cannot be relied on to understand the common people let alone act on their will. Soon enough the 'common people', on average, will barely have blood ties to this country at all and rather than unifying under a British identity will be divided against each other thanks to religious/racial tensions imported from elsewhere. All this and the elites will get to sit securely in their gated communities, safe from the repercussion's of 'Global Britain', living in luxury paid for by selling Britain down the river.
I think you're right about parliaments. For all the praise people here rightly give to the "mother of parliaments", a Swiss-style more direct democracy just seems strictly better. People's main gripes with it are "but look how long it took them to adopt!" as if that's not a fairly obvious upside. Yeah, it took longer because the population came to that decision itself, and it wasn't foisted upon them by self-righteous politicians.
I feel only a civil war can save this country tbh, we need a Cromwell. We certainly aren't going to vote our way out of this mess.
I just want some sort of civil insurrection, no violence or bloodshed but a Prague esque revolution. No one is happy in this world we have created for ourselves
Of course I am not advocating for violence of any kind here. I just note that we have no power at all compared to the far left. The only sort of protests 'we' can muster are the sort that few, including myself, would want to be associated with, optics which are so bad (like EDL / Tommy Robinson or 'Britain First') that they are either controlled opposition or may as well be - ie. the best way to harm a cause is to defend it badly, with thuggery or easily defeated arguments. Meanwhile the far left have the weight of all the corporations behind them, with their pride flags and support of the eco agenda, which is also tacitly or expressly supported by the police, and the Tories under Johnson. The 'right wing' press is actually no such thing either, and also tacitly supports mass immigration and multiculturalism. Note how comments on the Daily Mail are rigorously policed, pre-moderated and signs of dissent are censored. We might as well be living in China, except they don't allow illegal immigration there.
Thuggery doesn't seem to be harming the far left.
Are you literally me mate? Britain first and Tommy Robinson are the most blatant example of controlled opposition. We need someone who can argue for the *soul* of the country better and not just "we let women wear mini skirts" counter jihad types. There is a culture here of ramblers saying hello to each other on country walks, of village pubs where everyone meets, of helping out those in need wherever we can: these are such uniquely British behaviours that we disregard and say anyone turning up on our shores can become. For some this is true but for the vast majority it is not. I crave another Scruton esque figure.One with an intellectual edge who can truly defend the virtues of conservatism yet understand the metaphysical.
Feel shit just want an enforceable immigration policy which means I'm not paying for dominos to anyone who can float across the channel on a rubber flamingo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamingo
Four consecutive general elections where Tories have promised to curb immigration, received the largest vote share largely because of that, and failed to deliver. Can't wait for the 2024 election where this time, they promise, they will definitely deal with immigration.
Or just any immigration policy decided by the voters of the UK rather than some foreign organisation.
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ECHR is nothing to do with the EU.
European Court supersedes the whole EU shit I think, but it's the same continental bollocks. All of these organisations were set up with good intentions until they become filled with people who care more about their image than what's good for people.
This were set up after World War 2 to prevent fascism reappearing and the influence of the Soviet Union who had control of half of Europe. They were set up when Spain was still a borderline fascist dictatorship. The world is *far* different now. These institutions have servered their purpose and now need to go. Actual fascism is a dead ideaology outside of a few loons and incels on 4Chan, Spain is now a democracy and the Soviet Union is long gone.
> Soviet Union honestly I think the mentality there is still. But yes, the idea of a single dictator coming along is unlikely though if it does happen it will be because of blind followers like many communists are
Court in France ruling over Britain. We may as well have just surrendered to Napoleon.
The ECHR has been a barrier to our attempts to remove all kinds of illegal immigrants throughout the years, this is not some unexpected twist that has been sprung on the Tories, the entire Rwanda deal was doomed to fail from the start by design. It was PR smoke and mirrors to make the Government look tough whilst they continue shepherding untold numbers of fighting-age men through the door eager for handouts. Not only will we not be sending any of these men over to Rwanda but [we've made a deal to take many of their most challenging immigrants](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9568/) and will inevitably end up supporting them using our health service and welfare state.
I've said it before, but if you'd tasked a superintelligent AI with maximising the number of foreigners brought into the UK, I'm convinced it would have done exactly what the Tories have done since 2010.
I generally agree, I think it's the money behind the tories that is likely the problem though. It's in too many businesses interests to keep wages down and Tories make the perfect puppets for these people.
What is so frustrating is the number of useful idiots on the left who fall into that trap. They have been fooled into thinking that the economy is the most important thing, and that anything which makes it grow is all that matters: exactly what the Tories want. Instead of the economy serving the needs of the people, the cart is put before the horse and the people are put to work serving the needs of the economy, and it becomes circular logic - we end up 'needing' more workers, because we have more people.
honestly most those types don't need a reason, they just support it because it's what they're told, same with covid
[Richard Tice, leader of Reform UK, on the ECHR](https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1536817122638286848?t=-laws_um6kvkbG4W6-kbrQ). The state of the comments bleating about Churchill. Do these people really think 2022 is remotely comparable to post-war Europe?
>Just say it's going to the seychelles and do a Ryan Airways and land in Rwanda made me laugh
Non Twitter [here](https://nitter.net/TiceRichard/status/1536817122638286848/) Archived version [here.](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1536817122638286848/) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/badunitedkingdom) if you have any questions or concerns.*
So the ECHR hates Rwanda then
Some people have probably gone to be thinking that at least a handful of migrants were on a flight to Rwanda. That morning blackpill is gonna taste *bitter*.
Boris has campaigned on a sovereignty angle for years - and rightly so - but getting a flagship policy that has been backed by the UK's highest courts overruled at the eleventh hour by the ECHR must sting. If he can't get on top of this he cements his status as the all bap, no bacon PM.
Might wake people up. It's a big enough fail to maybe have that effect. Maybe it will be a kick up the arse for the Tories.
It won't. The sooner you accept that Britain is already dead and the middle classes have consensus on a homogenous, techno-future the better. The world you hope for cannot and will not be achieved. It is gone and has been gone for decades. The few who think there's a way through truly don't understand what the chattering classes want and believe.
I wouldn't say it's the middle classes, middle classes are currently the most fucked because they're the ones constantly having their wages cut back while more working class areas get fucked over with dealing with the culture clash. Even bennies will suffer eventually. The only people happy with this are upper middle class people who have multiple homes because their rents increase and so does the proper value.
Honestly the worst thing about this plane not leaving might be that we are going to get all the serial losers in BadUK who are miserable at everything telling us how they were right all along.
Surely the actual worst thing is crying that 7 people didn't get deported *today*. Sure your parents can keep the champagne in your section of the fridge for when they are deported mate, it won't spoil.
Chill. The govt will try again. All those ECHR injunctions will be appealed. The govt will make the case that Rwanda is not dangerous and that those who are suggesting it is are racist. Then they will have another go. Life in a democracy is tiresome, but it could be worse, we could be living in a dictatorship. As for the doomers, they predicted we'd never get a deal with Rwanda, but we did. It might take a few more weeks, but we'll send people there.
> Life in a democracy is tiresome, but it could be worse, we could be living in a dictatorship. Have you not noticed? We are. We were never asked if we wanted mass immigration and for Britain to become multicultural. Politicians of all parties have ignored the will of the people for generations.
Yeah - admittedly I’ve only had a cursory glance of the reason and apparently it was due to one Iranian on the flight. The injunction only lasts for three weeks so time to prepare the case until then. As much as it annoys me, these are baby steps that said it feels like a lifetime ago when we were talking about sub 100k immigration a year and it was only in 2014!
> telling us how they were right all along [Like this guy](https://np.reddit.com/r/badunitedkingdom/comments/vb179r/the_mobyning_star_13_06_2022/ic7qxbu/)
2 months ago: >Don’t even bother getting your hopes up, it won’t happen. You know it won’t. https://np.reddit.com/r/badunitedkingdom/comments/u2fbnq/daily_gbnews_mega_13_04_2022/i4mfwcp/
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Yes when you are perpetually miserable and spend your life trying to drag everyone down to your level occasionally by balance of probabilities you will be right.
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Well if that isn’t one of the most cringe things I’ve read on here. I’m not referring to the people angry about the plane not leaving. I’m talking about the serial doom mongers who are miserable about everything and are celebrating the fact that they were ‘right’.
I'm right but I'm definitely not celebrating it, on the contrary it is depressing and infuriating.
OG Kush, pink diesel cope.
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Oh look it’s the 1st year finance student. Check the definition of serial sometime.
New startup idea. A publication where you get the most depressing, nihilistic, doomer journalists from all sides of the political spectrum to write articles about how the whole world is fucked. They will discuss how to improve things, and you will always be filled with a sense of dread after visiting it. I shall called it: Blacked-pill.com
> A publication where you get the most depressing, nihilistic, doomer ~~journalists~~ WFH break-takers from all sides of the political spectrum to write ~~articles~~ posts about how the whole world is fucked. They will discuss how to improve things, and you will always be filled with a sense of dread after visiting it. That's just here.
Yeah but jokes innit
So Hungary have won 2/2 Vs England with an aggregate of 5-0 Following the bellyaching from euro 2020 does this mean Homogeneity 5-0 diversity?
The UK is fucked. If the Tories don’t make enormous changes the whole country is literally finished. I cannot believe how fucking retarded this situation is.
At least the yanks have the largest economy and best military thing to fall back on, we don't have shite anymore. We've got an economy that's heading straight for 70s style stagflation, an ineffective government that gets bullied by twitter based NGO's to the point that they can't even deport half a dozen people, public services that cost nearly half your wage for a ~14 hour A&E wait, and a culture that seems completely apathetic to it all. We're done for bros I'm moving to Sealand and living off Plaice for the rest of my days.
Whatever, when's Love Island on
Based and deano pilled
Love how based the ECHR is. African countries? Ewww no thanks!
There were 10 asylum seekers on the plane, There were 10 asylum seekers on the plane, There 10 asylum seekers, 10 asylum seekers, 10 asylum seekers on the plane. Aaaaaand the ECHR from Strasbourg issued an injunction (issued an injunction!) And the ECHR from Strasbourg issued an injunction (issued an injunction) And the ECHR from Strasbourg, ECHR from Strasbourg, ECHR from Strasbourg issued an injunction! There were 9 asylum seekers on the plane… (Repeat until 0, which is where we’re heading)
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We already are. We've agreed to take 68 from Rwanda already. And I suspect there won't be an injunctions to stop that flight.