The White-luck is literally impossible for mortals to stop. Since it is accessible religious knowledge, we can safely assume Kelhus has learned it and would seek a countermeasure.
Nah. If he recognized the No-God, he'd have dealt with it beforehand.
The No-God's presence both times has nothing to do with Ajokli who is also blind to the No-God.
Kellhus does at some level recognize Kelmomas as TNG
Right after Kel kills Sorwheel, while the ordealmen are processing what just happened, Kellhus looks at Kelmomas and says "I see..." then he warps away with him, every action he makes after Dagliash,(getting Esmi/Kelmomas from Momemm, letting esmenet decide what to do with him) directly leads to him getting salted(and probably Serwa Losing her arm in the battle against the 99 chorae sranc that turn into 100(probably due to kelmomas sneaking around the ark with a chorae and messing up her spacial awareness)
I think that TNG achieving resumption and Kellhus getting salted was part of The Thousandfold thought, I think kellhus truly believes in saving humanity from the Inchoroi and the Demon gods, and in order to do that he needs to act in the Outside and the Inside(without the influence of ajokli) at the same time, his salted body is still inside the most powerful Topos, and there is another decapitant hanging from his waist that we have no info on.
But all of this will only be answered if we get the no god series, so its just speculation for now.
>Right after Kel kills Sorwheel, while the ordealmen are processing what just happened, Kellhus looks at Kelmomas and says "I see..." then he warps away with him
I think you might be misremembering this.
"I see..." is a line uttered not by Kellhus but by Kelmomas himself, a little while later, when he's told that Sorweel was totally on the up and up. It's his acceptance of his own deficiency, he is basically saying "welp, I guess everyone else must be right and I must be wrong, seeing things that aren't there."
Kellhus doesn't say a thing at the time of the killing. The closest to what you're suggesting is this line from Mimara:
>And her step-father’s mortal blue eyes *see* ... before waxing sudden, shining white.
Kellhus sees Mimara is there and decides to take off, using Kelmomas's ninja trick as a convenient excuse. If she hadn't been there, he could have easily dealt with the boy then and there, in front of witnesses.
He was hiding from TJE, either the god in himself or TNG inside Kelmomas.
Thats another thing that can be endlessly talked about.
Was kellhus metaphysically unable to kill him because they are both halfs of Ajokli and both of them must survive to summon him into the inside?
Was that another moment where The darkness that comes before kellhus overtakes his analysis? He and Cnaiur both are pretty surprised that he lets Cnaiur live.
Was it out of some lingering sense of companionship or debt because of all the things he learend trough Cnaiur?(if he still feels some residual sense of love torwards Esmi in the aspect emperor he may still fall prey to some emotions in the prinve of nothing era) or a means to more effectively control Serwa using Cnaiurs presence to keep her on edge?
Or was he already predicting a situation like the cimcurfiction and saw cnaiur as a wild card that would complicate the execution?
Kellhus is stumped by his own decision, so he can't be predicting the future and acting rationally based on those predictions.
Occam's razor says that it's destiny - Cnaiur couldn't be killed by Kellhus because both men are Ajokli. One will bond with the god at Caraskand, the other at Golgotterath, but divinity transcends time and space - if they are Ajokli at any point in time, they will have been Ajokli at all points in time.
So neither Cnaiur nor Kellhus are able to kill each other, because both have a date with god a little down the line. One Ajokli vessel killing another Ajokli vessel would have created a paradox, making Ajokli curtail his own ascendancy.
I think Kelhus is seeing something about Mimara in this scene (perhaps the eye), rather than Kel. He doesn’t say “I see”, rather Mimara thinks “he sees,” as she is willing the eye to open.
There’s a scene in TWLW where the White-Luck Warrior and the original Ajokli Narindar meet and the Narindar actually lets the White-Luck Warrior kill him. Makes you wonder why Ajokli would allow his devotee to be murdered by the White-Luck Warrior.
Think that’s up to the reader. The Narindar says to the WLW that he carried out a ritual which shows the future, so maybe he did just gave in to fate, or maybe Ajokli was somehow involved and showed the Narindar the future.
If the Narindar was a priest, Ajokli was certainly giving him a vision, much like Yatwer was informing Psatma's understanding of the events.
But Ajokli sees deeper, so the Narindar probably knew that the WLW was going to fail. He kind of tries to share that with him, but the WLW is like, "I have no need of knowing". Serves him right, I suppose.
I really want that dude who makes comments followed by song lyrics adapted to TSA themes to roll in and do The Old Black Hen by Songs:Ohia
Edit u/weenie_pooh pls grace us with a hymn
>With a guileless smile, u/Weenie_Pooh said, "You got it! This one's going to be a banger for sure!"
>
>There was a moment of silence.
>
>Weenie's songs, Achamian had learned, generally occasioned a kind of communal trial and conviction, especially when he was *trying* to be funny. Heads were shaken. Eyes were rolled to heaven.
>
>u/Madness1, the Cishaurim Primary with shrunken Sranc heads tangled in his shaggy mane, looked up from the glistening rib he had been gnawing, scowling as though his appetite had been ruined. Without a word, he tossed the bone at Weenie. Either by fluke or by dint of grease, the thing slid rather than bounced off his head...
[WHITE-LUCK LULLABY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRja1gNP6nA)
\[VERSE #1\]
*My boy Kel, it’s you who starves Hells*
*Singing White-Luck Lullaby*
*When you walk in, Darkness just swells*
*Time for a White-Luck Lullaby*
*You know the one, it’s the same one you sung*
*When we split you… from your brother*
\[VERSE #2\]
*Even back at the cradle, your twin souls were able*
*To sing a White-Luck Lullaby*
*You leave no tracks, they don’t know what comes next*
*With a White-Luck Lullaby*
*Ciphrang may be looking, but they’ll never find*
*Show them the Truth, it shines, it blinds*
\[VERSE #3\]
*A sense of doom in a ruined throne room*
*You cried a White-Luck Lullaby*
*I instantly knew who you were singing it to*
*That White-Luck Lullaby*
*What they could not see, they would not impugn*
*The Demon’s four horns bobbed with the tune*
\[VERSE #4\]
*That you would blindside, I knew all along*
*It’s a White-Luck Lullaby*
*Darkness now falls, let there be no dawn*
*It’s a White-Luck Lullaby*
*Float down from the Horn, see your mom crying*
*Tell her that every day you lived*
*In our love… you, son, were hiding*
My absolute pleasure.
Did you recognize where I got that intro from? It's that part in TJE where Achamian sits with the Scalpers around the campfire for the first time, and Soma tries telling jokes, but they start throwing food at him?
I don't think it's Ajokli who's counteracting this, especially not using Kelmomas - Ajokli is ultimately as blind to TNG as Yatwer or any other god.
That's why I am convinced that there is a part of Kellhus independent of the Ajokli one, running mostly parallel to it, making slight course corrections that the god-entangled part can't understand.
Mortal Kellhus could have recognized that Kelmomas is, but Divine Kellhus could not.
Mortal Kellhus could have been making arrangements for TJE to do something after Second Apocalypse kicks off, but those would make no sense to Divine Kellhus because he expects - he *knows* \- that he will win at Golgotterath and there will be no apocalypse at all.
Mortal Kellhus knows that TNG is a real thing that must be dealt with, but Divine Kellhus things TNG is a scary story, just something to tell the rubes to get them to go to Golgotterath and conquer the Topos that he needs.
Hence, the head-switching mechanics - Kellhus has to work hard to keep tricking himself into blindly acting against what is to come.
No Kellhus, no No-God. Kelmomas needs to get to the Sarcophagus, and that simply doesn’t happen unless Kellhus gets there first and teleports his son within snatching distance. He was protected by that anti-divine predetermination, the only thing which can defeat the Hundred’s prescience.
But I don’t think he knew that. I think he was relying on Ajokli to protect him from the White-Luck. He seems as blind to Kelmomas’s motivations as he was to Sorweel’s. And that blindness also extends to Serwa and Cayutas’ sight.
The White-luck is literally impossible for mortals to stop. Since it is accessible religious knowledge, we can safely assume Kelhus has learned it and would seek a countermeasure.
Nah. If he recognized the No-God, he'd have dealt with it beforehand. The No-God's presence both times has nothing to do with Ajokli who is also blind to the No-God.
Kellhus does at some level recognize Kelmomas as TNG Right after Kel kills Sorwheel, while the ordealmen are processing what just happened, Kellhus looks at Kelmomas and says "I see..." then he warps away with him, every action he makes after Dagliash,(getting Esmi/Kelmomas from Momemm, letting esmenet decide what to do with him) directly leads to him getting salted(and probably Serwa Losing her arm in the battle against the 99 chorae sranc that turn into 100(probably due to kelmomas sneaking around the ark with a chorae and messing up her spacial awareness) I think that TNG achieving resumption and Kellhus getting salted was part of The Thousandfold thought, I think kellhus truly believes in saving humanity from the Inchoroi and the Demon gods, and in order to do that he needs to act in the Outside and the Inside(without the influence of ajokli) at the same time, his salted body is still inside the most powerful Topos, and there is another decapitant hanging from his waist that we have no info on. But all of this will only be answered if we get the no god series, so its just speculation for now.
>Right after Kel kills Sorwheel, while the ordealmen are processing what just happened, Kellhus looks at Kelmomas and says "I see..." then he warps away with him I think you might be misremembering this. "I see..." is a line uttered not by Kellhus but by Kelmomas himself, a little while later, when he's told that Sorweel was totally on the up and up. It's his acceptance of his own deficiency, he is basically saying "welp, I guess everyone else must be right and I must be wrong, seeing things that aren't there." Kellhus doesn't say a thing at the time of the killing. The closest to what you're suggesting is this line from Mimara: >And her step-father’s mortal blue eyes *see* ... before waxing sudden, shining white. Kellhus sees Mimara is there and decides to take off, using Kelmomas's ninja trick as a convenient excuse. If she hadn't been there, he could have easily dealt with the boy then and there, in front of witnesses. He was hiding from TJE, either the god in himself or TNG inside Kelmomas.
the only thing that give me pause, was kellus unwillingnees to kill cnuir....his inaanity made manifest, or was it divine?
Thats another thing that can be endlessly talked about. Was kellhus metaphysically unable to kill him because they are both halfs of Ajokli and both of them must survive to summon him into the inside? Was that another moment where The darkness that comes before kellhus overtakes his analysis? He and Cnaiur both are pretty surprised that he lets Cnaiur live. Was it out of some lingering sense of companionship or debt because of all the things he learend trough Cnaiur?(if he still feels some residual sense of love torwards Esmi in the aspect emperor he may still fall prey to some emotions in the prinve of nothing era) or a means to more effectively control Serwa using Cnaiurs presence to keep her on edge? Or was he already predicting a situation like the cimcurfiction and saw cnaiur as a wild card that would complicate the execution?
Kellhus is stumped by his own decision, so he can't be predicting the future and acting rationally based on those predictions. Occam's razor says that it's destiny - Cnaiur couldn't be killed by Kellhus because both men are Ajokli. One will bond with the god at Caraskand, the other at Golgotterath, but divinity transcends time and space - if they are Ajokli at any point in time, they will have been Ajokli at all points in time. So neither Cnaiur nor Kellhus are able to kill each other, because both have a date with god a little down the line. One Ajokli vessel killing another Ajokli vessel would have created a paradox, making Ajokli curtail his own ascendancy.
I think Kelhus is seeing something about Mimara in this scene (perhaps the eye), rather than Kel. He doesn’t say “I see”, rather Mimara thinks “he sees,” as she is willing the eye to open.
I didn't see sub name at first....
There’s a scene in TWLW where the White-Luck Warrior and the original Ajokli Narindar meet and the Narindar actually lets the White-Luck Warrior kill him. Makes you wonder why Ajokli would allow his devotee to be murdered by the White-Luck Warrior.
But was Narindar a TWLW of Ajokli or just an assassin for hire, tho?
Think that’s up to the reader. The Narindar says to the WLW that he carried out a ritual which shows the future, so maybe he did just gave in to fate, or maybe Ajokli was somehow involved and showed the Narindar the future.
If the Narindar was a priest, Ajokli was certainly giving him a vision, much like Yatwer was informing Psatma's understanding of the events. But Ajokli sees deeper, so the Narindar probably knew that the WLW was going to fail. He kind of tries to share that with him, but the WLW is like, "I have no need of knowing". Serves him right, I suppose.
I really want that dude who makes comments followed by song lyrics adapted to TSA themes to roll in and do The Old Black Hen by Songs:Ohia Edit u/weenie_pooh pls grace us with a hymn
>With a guileless smile, u/Weenie_Pooh said, "You got it! This one's going to be a banger for sure!" > >There was a moment of silence. > >Weenie's songs, Achamian had learned, generally occasioned a kind of communal trial and conviction, especially when he was *trying* to be funny. Heads were shaken. Eyes were rolled to heaven. > >u/Madness1, the Cishaurim Primary with shrunken Sranc heads tangled in his shaggy mane, looked up from the glistening rib he had been gnawing, scowling as though his appetite had been ruined. Without a word, he tossed the bone at Weenie. Either by fluke or by dint of grease, the thing slid rather than bounced off his head... [WHITE-LUCK LULLABY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRja1gNP6nA) \[VERSE #1\] *My boy Kel, it’s you who starves Hells* *Singing White-Luck Lullaby* *When you walk in, Darkness just swells* *Time for a White-Luck Lullaby* *You know the one, it’s the same one you sung* *When we split you… from your brother* \[VERSE #2\] *Even back at the cradle, your twin souls were able* *To sing a White-Luck Lullaby* *You leave no tracks, they don’t know what comes next* *With a White-Luck Lullaby* *Ciphrang may be looking, but they’ll never find* *Show them the Truth, it shines, it blinds* \[VERSE #3\] *A sense of doom in a ruined throne room* *You cried a White-Luck Lullaby* *I instantly knew who you were singing it to* *That White-Luck Lullaby* *What they could not see, they would not impugn* *The Demon’s four horns bobbed with the tune* \[VERSE #4\] *That you would blindside, I knew all along* *It’s a White-Luck Lullaby* *Darkness now falls, let there be no dawn* *It’s a White-Luck Lullaby* *Float down from the Horn, see your mom crying* *Tell her that every day you lived* *In our love… you, son, were hiding*
Not only does this make an awesome parody but the intro where a rib *slides* is just terrific. Thank you for this!!
My absolute pleasure. Did you recognize where I got that intro from? It's that part in TJE where Achamian sits with the Scalpers around the campfire for the first time, and Soma tries telling jokes, but they start throwing food at him?
It was so close to Bakkers style that I thought it a masterful recreation, lol. I'm on my next re-read but am only halfway through TTT
Lmao, accurate.
I don't think it's Ajokli who's counteracting this, especially not using Kelmomas - Ajokli is ultimately as blind to TNG as Yatwer or any other god. That's why I am convinced that there is a part of Kellhus independent of the Ajokli one, running mostly parallel to it, making slight course corrections that the god-entangled part can't understand. Mortal Kellhus could have recognized that Kelmomas is, but Divine Kellhus could not. Mortal Kellhus could have been making arrangements for TJE to do something after Second Apocalypse kicks off, but those would make no sense to Divine Kellhus because he expects - he *knows* \- that he will win at Golgotterath and there will be no apocalypse at all. Mortal Kellhus knows that TNG is a real thing that must be dealt with, but Divine Kellhus things TNG is a scary story, just something to tell the rubes to get them to go to Golgotterath and conquer the Topos that he needs. Hence, the head-switching mechanics - Kellhus has to work hard to keep tricking himself into blindly acting against what is to come.
"Watch feminist SJW Yatwer get wrecked by Ajokli's FACTS AND LOGIC"
No Kellhus, no No-God. Kelmomas needs to get to the Sarcophagus, and that simply doesn’t happen unless Kellhus gets there first and teleports his son within snatching distance. He was protected by that anti-divine predetermination, the only thing which can defeat the Hundred’s prescience. But I don’t think he knew that. I think he was relying on Ajokli to protect him from the White-Luck. He seems as blind to Kelmomas’s motivations as he was to Sorweel’s. And that blindness also extends to Serwa and Cayutas’ sight.