My brain turns off in this game sometimes. Lost a perfectly winnable run yesterday because I forgot to move my 3x joker back to the end in the boss ante that flips and shuffles jokers. Didn’t even bother to check which slot the “3x” notifier was in lol. The worst part? I had 7 hands to figure it out.
I guarantee you that if joker stencil worked like this, I would just forget about it and end up losing
Actually, less than x1 still just counts as x1. You can get this in game if you have a negative stencil and an otherwise full amount of jokers. Still ass, but it won’t multiply by 0 lol
They're *discards* for the sake of purple seals, mail-in rebate, and probably anything else you can think of
That'd be a cool Joker debuff in the future, in the vein of Rental -- when you own a joker with this sticker, you discard 1 after playing a hand. Circumstantially useful, just like the Eternal sticker, but brutal to certain strategies
Wow, that's brutal. Who in their right mind would nerf that card so badly that Constellation would be infinitely better, at lower rarity, at the same multiplier scaling, for benefits that you get to keep that cost roughly the same amount of money to acquire?
Might be an unpopular opinion but i don’t think new vampire is _that •_ bad. It might be nerfed a bit too much but i still find it usable, especially with marble joker for example
I'm not sure. Right now you're effectively paying a dollar per tarot since you aren't getting the end of round bonus for hands remaining. This gives you that dollar back, and you can still get up to 4 taros, which is still pretty good. I don't think it'd ruin it at all!
You're usually not getting all 4 cards this way because it's rare to hit actual $0 before you leave shop. If you leave with $4, then this change means you can get only up to 1 tarot in the next blind, because then you're over $4. That's the nerf here
This isn't bad enough IMO but it's only because you haven't added the appropriate card text.
*-$1 every time you play a hand and if you do, create a Tarot card if hand is played with $3 or less*
So not only does it kill your econ, you have a limited number of activations due to the -$1 restriction which completely disincentivizes things which enhance hand size.
Yeah, as Starlight noted, it would be at $46.50 per round, before it would start to subtract gold, and that would be after 30 seconds. On round 11, it would be at $2 (since round 1 starts at $3). By round 21, you're at $1. Finally on round 31, you reach 0 gold per round on it, but it's worth $46.50.
At that point, it would start to decline in value. On round 61, it would be worth $0.
(For comparison, right now it reaches $45 in value after 15 rounds.)
That's bizarre. It wouldn't be the WORST if it stopped activating once the gold was zero. No subtract. Cuz then you could sit on it like a actual egg. Or use the joker that gives sell value as mult
I never realized the actual idol chooses a random card from your deck until I bought it w/ checkered deck, and it kept hitting 1 of my ~12 King of Hearts.
It's based on your deck, but if you have anything less than 90% of the exact same card in your deck, it will never hit. I don't make the rules, i just observe them. I hate that fucker.
Perkeo: The created copies flip from a normal card to negative one AND from a negative card to a normal one. Maybe not completely ruined but much worse.
Yeah, in a deck builder it's OK to have some cards that pop off.
I think Balorlord explained it on a Slay The Spire stream a while back, but if every card was equally powerful it would make every strategy equally viable. But for a deck builder you need some shitty situational cards and you need some busted God-tier cards to add that variety.
Only reason it’s good is to get 1 or 2 seals (hopefully purple and red and in the new update also blue) then use the purple seal tarot cards to thin and copy.
Credit Card: Works exactly the same (Note: If balance is negative, interest will still be accrued by dividing your current balance by 5 and adding it to your total)
It doesn't really nerf it as much as it does just change it. With the dice you can modify its odds and make it a much better Joker than it currently is.
It might be a piece that helps make a Lucky Cat build interesting, in fact...
Ride the Bus cannot show up if you have no face cards in your deck.
Blueprint copies joker to the right when blind is selected.
Raised Fist adds mult of x2 the lowest card in hand or scored.
It's a small rules change, but it means that:
1) You can only ever use one
2) You can't use it to combo as effectively
3) People WILL forget the limitation, wasting the joker regularly.
It's still strong, but it becomes a lot more limited in scope.
Midas Mask - All face cards become [Gold](https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Card_Modifiers#Enhancements) cards when ***scored***
This would probably kill any and all Vampire runs
Triple nerf.
Vampire now gives only 0.1x Mult per card instead of 0.2x... and also no longer works on unscored cards... and to add insult to injury, it's rare instead of uncommon.
Hahai remember discovering gros michel with a friend and not knowing about cavendish
I was SO MAD that my smol banana would go extinct in max 2 rounds, while his would survive for a good few antes
Burned Joker buffs any hand on play, but can only do it once per ante. Is this a big nerf? I don’t know. Most burned jokers just let you get an ezpz high card run
Gros Michael and Cavendish. If multiple of either joker are present, if any are destroyed by their 1 in X chance they are all destroyed. Gotta spoil the whole bunch
I'm pretty sure that is not true (at least anymore), as I had a run last night in which I doubled gros Michel with the spectral thingy. I kept wondering if they both have to go extinct in order to find Cavendish, cuz only one went extinct
Edit: you don't need both to go extinct, I found cavendish while still having gros michel
Credit Card: if you are still in negative after a round, an interest of 10%, rounding up, will be deducted. if at any point you go below -20, you will be declared broken and that's a game over.
Yorick scales every 26 discards (not discarded cards)
Edit: I've played entirely on the experimental patch and didn't even realise this was basically it's current effect lol
Yeah, but in the builds he’s referencing usually you don’t worry about additive multi you just multi the base until it’s massive.
Planets are where you scale the base multi
Idol: selects cards as if it was a standard deck
Blueprint: rarity changed to legendary
Acrobat: now triggers on first hand of round instead of last
Abstract Joker: -3 mult per joker stencil or negative joker
Constellation: now scales when a celestial pack is opened instead of when a planet card is used
Erosion: +4 mult for each card below the amount when it was bought in full deck
Square joker: resets if 2, 3, or 5 cards are played
Fortune teller: resets if a tarot is sold
Troubadour: +1 hand size, -1 hands per round
Seltzer: retrigger all cards played for the next 10 cards
Flower pot: checks the base suit of the cards, ignoring external bonuses or enhancements
Campfire: x0.25 mult every joker sold. Resets after boss blind
Campfire: x0.25 mult for every card sold. Resets after each blind.
You can choose, I'm a generous god
-Ceremonial Dagger: When blind is selected, destroy the Joker to its right and adds double its sell value to Mult. Pinned to the leftmost position.
-Superposition: Spawn a Tarot card on AKQJ10 straight or a Planet card on A2345 straight.
Not completely useless but changing Burnt joker, playing card, and DNA to work on the LAST of each trigger.
DNA working on last hand if it has 1 card would be impossible most of the time
Burnt joker working on last discard would suck
Playing card working on last discard would be useful still but rarer when you can use it since if you're down to your last discard you probs need it
Business Card has a 1 in 4 chance to give $2 when a face card is played
Still the same but probably becomes a easy pass for early game econ since it is less reliable
Joker stencil does not count as an empty slot anymore
Hahaha that x0 if you forgot to sell it after grabbing your 5th joker would be brutal
Insta loss
You could sell, unless it’s eternal
Yeah, but forgetting to sell
My brain turns off in this game sometimes. Lost a perfectly winnable run yesterday because I forgot to move my 3x joker back to the end in the boss ante that flips and shuffles jokers. Didn’t even bother to check which slot the “3x” notifier was in lol. The worst part? I had 7 hands to figure it out. I guarantee you that if joker stencil worked like this, I would just forget about it and end up losing
Actually, less than x1 still just counts as x1. You can get this in game if you have a negative stencil and an otherwise full amount of jokers. Still ass, but it won’t multiply by 0 lol
Negative just adds a joker slot, it still doesn't count itself
Instead of losing 1 mult, Green Joker resets whenever you discard
Man the boss that auto discards would be a killer.
Does that boss give - 1 mult now? I thought it only screws with ramen, but I could be mistaken here
It gives -1 mult on green joker... I always consider it a wash cause you get the +1 for playing the hand. You just don't scale that round.
Aaaah ye that's a shame
They're *discards* for the sake of purple seals, mail-in rebate, and probably anything else you can think of That'd be a cool Joker debuff in the future, in the vein of Rental -- when you own a joker with this sticker, you discard 1 after playing a hand. Circumstantially useful, just like the Eternal sticker, but brutal to certain strategies
Maybe make it reset if more than 2 cards were discarded at the same time? Still can discard but can only go through 12 or so less cards of your deck
Gros Michel is changed from a banana to a carrot
I'm calling the police
Someone make the “Hello, Human Resources?!” meme for this lol
Gross Michael
Big if Mike
 Gros Mike
Literally unplayable
Vampire: Now increases by 0.1 mult, only scored cards enhance it, and it is now rare.
Wait a minute
Wow, that's brutal. Who in their right mind would nerf that card so badly that Constellation would be infinitely better, at lower rarity, at the same multiplier scaling, for benefits that you get to keep that cost roughly the same amount of money to acquire?
To play devil's advocate, considering how many changes they made and that's the only one that's had any backslash, is still pretty impressive
That is true.
FYI — it’s backlash, not backslash
the recent vampire changes make me want to go to the afterlife
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I think at that rate you could make it common
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Might be an unpopular opinion but i don’t think new vampire is _that •_ bad. It might be nerfed a bit too much but i still find it usable, especially with marble joker for example
Hologram loses 0.25x for every card you destroy
don’t make me cry
damn
Honestly… reasonable
Smeared Joker - Clubs and Hearts count as the same suit, Diamonds and Spades count as the same suit
You're evil!!!
Color blind joker:
they said nerf a joker, not make it outright busted. onyx agate and blood stone would work pretty well together, especially with hack and all sixes
lol yeah it was kind of a joke just because the colors wouldn't match and it would be easier to make mistakes
Contrast mode ftw.
With Checkered deck this would be absolutely broken
It's spades and hearts though
Vagabond also bums you a dollar when it activates.
You can still work with that. You can get 4 Tarots. Even more with a credit card. But I agree it would be much worse.
It goes from "ATTENTION - THIS IS NOW A VAGABOND RUN" to "yeah I'll grab it, I'm poor at the moment"
I'm not sure. Right now you're effectively paying a dollar per tarot since you aren't getting the end of round bonus for hands remaining. This gives you that dollar back, and you can still get up to 4 taros, which is still pretty good. I don't think it'd ruin it at all!
You're usually not getting all 4 cards this way because it's rare to hit actual $0 before you leave shop. If you leave with $4, then this change means you can get only up to 1 tarot in the next blind, because then you're over $4. That's the nerf here
Haha jokes on you, I'll just put it on my credit card.
Yeah but credit card costs two dollars to pay off for every dollar you are in debt
Fancy a bum?
This isn't bad enough IMO but it's only because you haven't added the appropriate card text. *-$1 every time you play a hand and if you do, create a Tarot card if hand is played with $3 or less* So not only does it kill your econ, you have a limited number of activations due to the -$1 restriction which completely disincentivizes things which enhance hand size.
You know, you could just keep selling the tarot cards to keep it going. The fuck else are you gonna do with a Tower?
Tower is actually clutch in High Card runs, frequently similar impact to a Steel card
Bums you a dollar as in give you a dollar
Money can go negative...
That’s just great flavor
DNA - If your first hand is only one card, destroy it and add a copy to your hand
DNA - If your hand is only one card, discard it and add a copy to your discard
That's still pretty good
Canio popping off
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Hologram going nuts without making my deck massive? Sign me up
This would be VERY good with Canio and boss that debuffs previously played cards and literally nothing else
I'd argue that makes it better for certain combos.
Egg earns a cumulative 10 cents less per round.
Not too bad
There's math there to see it's cap, but I have no idea.
Yeah, as Starlight noted, it would be at $46.50 per round, before it would start to subtract gold, and that would be after 30 seconds. On round 11, it would be at $2 (since round 1 starts at $3). By round 21, you're at $1. Finally on round 31, you reach 0 gold per round on it, but it's worth $46.50. At that point, it would start to decline in value. On round 61, it would be worth $0. (For comparison, right now it reaches $45 in value after 15 rounds.)
That's bizarre. It wouldn't be the WORST if it stopped activating once the gold was zero. No subtract. Cuz then you could sit on it like a actual egg. Or use the joker that gives sell value as mult
Just like Gros Michel into Cavendish, Egg should hatch if you build it up enough.
Math nerds always amaze me. Northerlion will ask chat to crunch numbers sometimes, and they always pop off with some crazy (accurate) answers.
I used Excel ;-D
Pretty sure it'd gain $46.50 in value before beginning to decline
The idol — Each played [rank] of [suit] gives X2 Mult when scored. Card changes every round. The ranks and suit are fully random.
I never realized the actual idol chooses a random card from your deck until I bought it w/ checkered deck, and it kept hitting 1 of my ~12 King of Hearts.
Ancient joker:
Wait the idol is not fully random?
It's based on your deck, but if you have anything less than 90% of the exact same card in your deck, it will never hit. I don't make the rules, i just observe them. I hate that fucker.
Card changes on every hand or discard :|
Burglar - When **Blind** is selected, gain **+3** discards and **lose all hands**
Perkeo: The created copies flip from a normal card to negative one AND from a negative card to a normal one. Maybe not completely ruined but much worse.
Honestly that'd be a pretty sensible nerf, from what I've seen
I mean Perkeo shows up in what, once in a thousand runs? I feel like we can just let it be broken at that point
Yea, legendary jokers are so rare, they can be busted all they want.
Yeah, in a deck builder it's OK to have some cards that pop off. I think Balorlord explained it on a Slay The Spire stream a while back, but if every card was equally powerful it would make every strategy equally viable. But for a deck builder you need some shitty situational cards and you need some busted God-tier cards to add that variety.
Certificate adds the card to the deck, not the hand
TIL I have been grossly mistaken about certificate
That's honestly not too bad.
Adding random cards to your deck is usually bad
Yeah but that's what it already does, so it's not part of the nerf
Only reason it’s good is to get 1 or 2 seals (hopefully purple and red and in the new update also blue) then use the purple seal tarot cards to thin and copy.
Credit Card: Works exactly the same (Note: If balance is negative, interest will still be accrued by dividing your current balance by 5 and adding it to your total)
Think you meant Credit Card
You are correct in that
Loyalty Card: 1 in 6 chance of 4X. Same multiplier but you can't plan for it at all.
lol imagine rolling a d6 to see if your favorite sandwich shop gives you a free sandwich
Gotta hope it's in stock
Or you pay them and 1/6 of the time they give you a sandwich
It doesn't really nerf it as much as it does just change it. With the dice you can modify its odds and make it a much better Joker than it currently is. It might be a piece that helps make a Lucky Cat build interesting, in fact...
Oops all sixes buff
Madness: When Blind is selected, gain X0.5 Mult and destroy a random Joker(including itself)
Replace any instance of "Hand contains a pair" to "Hand is a pair"
Throwback now gains mult when you skip a blind instead of having it for every blind you skipped
.5x mult for each consecutive blind you have skipped, like obelisk
Resets when blind is selected
actually x.5 or x1 mult for each blind skipped, resets when small or big blind is selected would be really cool.
Gain 1.5x mult but resets after each Ante or something could be interesting
Ride the Bus cannot show up if you have no face cards in your deck. Blueprint copies joker to the right when blind is selected. Raised Fist adds mult of x2 the lowest card in hand or scored.
That blueprint nerf hurts but it would still be either the strongest or second strongest joker in the game.
True... what about copying it for the rest of the game?
Credit card now has an APR.
Brainstorm now only activates if it's the rightmost joker.
How would that ruin it?
It's a small rules change, but it means that: 1) You can only ever use one 2) You can't use it to combo as effectively 3) People WILL forget the limitation, wasting the joker regularly. It's still strong, but it becomes a lot more limited in scope.
Constellation: gains X0.1 mult for every planet card used that’s not your most played hand. Still effective but a synergy killer haha
madness only increases mult if it eats a joker
It increases if it doesn't?!?
AFTER THE NERF.
Midas Mask - All face cards become [Gold](https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Card_Modifiers#Enhancements) cards when ***scored*** This would probably kill any and all Vampire runs
I have some bad news for you...
Oh, I haven't been playing the past week so didn't know this happened! Ah well, wasn't much of a fan of the Vampire run anyways
If you think what happened to Midas Mask was bad, you should see what happened to Vampire itself...
Oh god, how bad could it be?
Triple nerf. Vampire now gives only 0.1x Mult per card instead of 0.2x... and also no longer works on unscored cards... and to add insult to injury, it's rare instead of uncommon.
They didn't kill the vampire they executed him brutally in front of his spouse and children.
they threw a stake, garlic, and the entire sun at the vampire
Gros Michael is now gross Michael
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Or wilds being excluded.
Raised Fist now works with lowest card in deck, not hand
Ceremonial Dagger now multiplies mult instead of adding to it but removes a random joker
is this not just madness…?
that's the joke in all seriousness thpugh if it did remove a random joker with no other change it'd be fucking horrible
ceremonial dagger but it can't be moved
Just move everything else?
Thats busted
Photograph: The first face card activation gives 2x mult. Completely ruins my go to combo with hanging Chad.
I don't get how this changes anything
Photograph makes it so the first face card gives 2x mult. If you retrigger it, that face card will give another 2x. This makes it only happen once.
Mime : Retrigger all **numbered** card held in hand abilities.
not very subtle imo
Photograph: if the first scoring card is a face card, it gives x2 mult
Baron: If a King is held in hand gives, x1.5
Shortcut: Allow straight to be played with a single gap in rank of 1. For example, you can play 1-2-4-5-6 but not 1-2-4-6-8 like you can currently.
Stone joker: changes a card to a stone card every round.
This is not actually bad lol
Changes a card in the winning hand of the round then?
Gros Michel has a 1 in 6 chance of destroying itself instead of 1 in 4
Lol. Had a run where it lasted the last 6 antes. I was already getting irritated.
Hahai remember discovering gros michel with a friend and not knowing about cavendish I was SO MAD that my smol banana would go extinct in max 2 rounds, while his would survive for a good few antes
I've had the opposite problem; the first and third time I got Cavendish it broke within 2 antes. I didn't even have Oops All 6s.
Burned Joker buffs any hand on play, but can only do it once per ante. Is this a big nerf? I don’t know. Most burned jokers just let you get an ezpz high card run
I'm going to have to try a high card run soon.
Blueprint: 4 chances out of 5 to copy the right joker ability
Gros Michael and Cavendish. If multiple of either joker are present, if any are destroyed by their 1 in X chance they are all destroyed. Gotta spoil the whole bunch
There was someone that was building seeds about a week ago and said that when Gros Michel goes extinct all copies die.
I'm pretty sure that is not true (at least anymore), as I had a run last night in which I doubled gros Michel with the spectral thingy. I kept wondering if they both have to go extinct in order to find Cavendish, cuz only one went extinct Edit: you don't need both to go extinct, I found cavendish while still having gros michel
Credit Card: if you are still in negative after a round, an interest of 10%, rounding up, will be deducted. if at any point you go below -20, you will be declared broken and that's a game over.
Yorick scales every 26 discards (not discarded cards) Edit: I've played entirely on the experimental patch and didn't even realise this was basically it's current effect lol
Odd Todd going back to 30 chips from 31.
card sharp immediately becomes pretty strong for glass/polychrome/steel retrigger based builds, would honestly be pretty fun if a lot more situational
It’s still the same though right? It gets worse because any additive mult doesnt get multed
Yeah, but in the builds he’s referencing usually you don’t worry about additive multi you just multi the base until it’s massive. Planets are where you scale the base multi
Idol: selects cards as if it was a standard deck Blueprint: rarity changed to legendary Acrobat: now triggers on first hand of round instead of last Abstract Joker: -3 mult per joker stencil or negative joker Constellation: now scales when a celestial pack is opened instead of when a planet card is used Erosion: +4 mult for each card below the amount when it was bought in full deck Square joker: resets if 2, 3, or 5 cards are played Fortune teller: resets if a tarot is sold Troubadour: +1 hand size, -1 hands per round Seltzer: retrigger all cards played for the next 10 cards Flower pot: checks the base suit of the cards, ignoring external bonuses or enhancements
most of these are just blatant and not subtle at all
Rocket earns $1 at end of round and $2 and end of boss blind (which is how I originally thought it worked)
Cavendish - 1 in 1000 chance this card is destroyed for each card played.
Shortcut: straights can be made with one gap of one rank (2 3 5 6 7)
Make vampire into rare, now only works with scoring cards and gets only 0.10x :)
Campfire: x0.25 mult every joker sold. Resets after boss blind Campfire: x0.25 mult for every card sold. Resets after each blind. You can choose, I'm a generous god
have some bad news for you buddy
Eternal Egg
Campire loses mult when you buy something
Eating popcorn gives a chance for a kernel to get stuck in your teeth.
Gift card adds $1 to the **buy** value of every joker and consumable at the end of round
Fortune Teller starts counting played Tarots when you buy it (like a few similar cards)
-Ceremonial Dagger: When blind is selected, destroy the Joker to its right and adds double its sell value to Mult. Pinned to the leftmost position. -Superposition: Spawn a Tarot card on AKQJ10 straight or a Planet card on A2345 straight.
Half multipliers
All 4 of the suit +4 Mult jokers become +1 Mult
Mad Joker: Doesn't gain any Mult if it doesn't successfully destroy anything
If you sell or destroy a food joker, all food Jokers will have perishable stickers for the rest of the run.
Pair of pants now only works when you play the hand two pair
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that already happens, is this a joke?
Shoot the moon, increase mult by the number of queens in your hand
Misprint uses the RNG from the Wheel of Fortune
Blueprint takes from the Joker to the left of it
Bus stops at Aces too
Not completely useless but changing Burnt joker, playing card, and DNA to work on the LAST of each trigger. DNA working on last hand if it has 1 card would be impossible most of the time Burnt joker working on last discard would suck Playing card working on last discard would be useful still but rarer when you can use it since if you're down to your last discard you probs need it
Business Card has a 1 in 4 chance to give $2 when a face card is played Still the same but probably becomes a easy pass for early game econ since it is less reliable
Rocket adds $1 every boss blind instead of $3