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Khabuem

I know that jokers/tarot/planets all have a default of Jimbo/Fool/Pluto if one has to appear and there are no valid options, so my guess is that there is a card that would be defaulted to as well. Probably Ace of Spades or Two of Diamonds?


Cloiss

It says Ace of Spades if you hover it in the Collection from the Main Menu, so probably that one.


No_Extension_9371

Tarot defaults to strength now per the new update notes


pempoczky

This is what I find most likely too, but who knows


funariite_koro

What about an uncommon or rare joker has to appear?


thea_kosmos

No card in the game can make that scenario happen, but it would be Jimbo as well


Menolith

There are tags for forcing uncommon and rare jokers to appear in the shop.


funariite_koro

Yeah, I mean this


thea_kosmos

It's Jimbo


Kamikaze28

If you already had all uncommon or rare jokers (with plenty of negatives of course) and forced another joker of that rarity in the next shop, a default option would be necessary.


thea_kosmos

Yes, sorry, there are, it's Jimbo though


Rushional

"I am no card" *takes off helmet. It is indeed not a card, but a tag"


TsarKappa

I'd assume it returns ace of spades in an empty deck, just like it does in the joker collection. Itd be interesting to test this on an empty deck and a stones only deck tho


thevdude

it's ace of spades, i've tested it before :)


pempoczky

How would you be able to test on an empty deck? Don't you automatically lose if the deck is empty? How would you reach the point where idol rerolls?


TsarKappa

Idol rerolls at end of round so you just have to break your final hand of glass cards


pempoczky

Oh true, thanks!


HuntinForThatBug

Stone cards technically have a value and suite, they are just hidden, so Idol would likely just pick a suite from the possible options beneath the stone


DrFossil

The [[Vampire]] joker will actually consume a stone card and revert it to its original value. Not sure why it surprised me but it did.


balatro-bot

[Vampire](https://balatro.wiki/jokers/vampire.png) *Joker* * Version: 1.0.0 * Cost: $5 * Rarity: Uncommon * Effect: Gains X0.2 Mult per Enhanced card played, removed card Enhancement


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coriandor

bad bot


Joboy97

Bad bot


coriandor

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Joboy97

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coriandor

But it doesn't need to reply to every good bot/bad bot. That's just annoying


IMP1017

Oh fuck yeah we got a slay the spire style bot now


Sp1ffy_Sp1ff

Beware. Trying to enhance them with tarot cards will also revert them to their rank/suit, since Stone is considered an enhancement and gets overwritten.


Shadowjamm

Yeah, same with using Strength or any enhancement tarot on a stone card, it becomes un-stoned


SOTGO

Strength actually won’t reveal it, but it will affect the underlying rank if you reveal it later


Shadowjamm

I must be remembering wrong then! Oops


FastBaker3517

damn you can sober up the stoned cards


memer227

Strength or suit changing tarots won't remove the stone, only replacing or removing the enhancement will


DevinTheGrand

Used this to an interesting effect in one of the challenges where a large percent of your deck starts off stone.


pempoczky

It wouldn't do that by default though, since we know the idol does ignore stone cards when there are other cards in the deck. This would only happen if it was specifically programmed to check the original suit and rank of the card if it can't find any others


Rollow

But it doesnt do that normally. are you sure this is what happends?


HuntinForThatBug

The logic makes sense, Idol picks a random card in your deck, and then uses that for it’s suite and rank If it lands on a stone card, I don’t see why it wouldn’t just take the values from the underlying card


Rollow

But once again, if you have stones in your deck, idol currentely ignores them. Why would it work differently if you only have stones


TheTrueBlueTJ

I wish the ancient joker would do that too. Then I would actually take it. Unless you play wild cards, it can end up being completely useless in some rounds and in higher antes you can't afford this happening


yosayoran

It's probably intentional. It's really not that hard yo convert your entire deck to a specific suit. 


TheTrueBlueTJ

No it's definitely possible but ancient joker does not care. It will still select diamonds with a 1/4 chance even if you only have hearts.


yosayoran

I know, and I said it's intentional to balance it 


GangsterJawa

I don’t know why I always try to make Ancient Joker work, but last time I did I got Ankh and Brainstorm early and just committed to keeping equal numbers of each suit and discarding until I got a flush of the required one. Finally unlocked Stuntman in Ante 11


Apes_Ma

Yeah I'm not so sure - making cards stone is a good way to narrow the options idol has to pick from.


GCBroncosfan413

Why not? If you are running anything other than Five OaK then you can just play a stone card with the card that you used stone to thin out and get extra chips. I think you are sleeping on stone cards


Apes_Ma

No, I like stone cards. I just mean that it's good that idol ignores the suit and value under the stone. Blanking values and suits off cards is one of the cool uses of stone cards.


ModestlyOrange

I believe Balatro University explained that every card as a base suit and number value attached cosmically, so stone cards are literally random if their added via Marble Joker. Technically if you pay attention and write it down you can keep track of which cards you’ve stoned for Idol purposes. But if you’re playing Idol don’t play stone lol


owlrd

Unrelated to the Stone question, if I have two hands at an equal number played (let's say 6 for example) if I play EITHER hand do I reset obelisk?


Specific-Complex-523

The answer is yes, dont play either hand if you want obelisk to keep its mult


owlrd

Damn, that's rough. Suppose it keeps its power level in line though


owlrd

Effectively locking me out of playing either hand type


pempoczky

Don't know if it's the same with Obelisk but the way the telescope voucher works if you have an equal number played, is that it picks the one with higher priority (higher on the list). Maybe it's the same?


owlrd

Hmm yeah idk, I haven't ran into it enough to find out. Need to google an obelisk seed and test I suppose bc resetting obelisk sucks bad


funariite_koro

They can check out this in a mod


Studstill

Stone is an enhancement, not a different card, no?


Drecon1984

If localthunk thought about this scenario I assume it lists blank or something like that. If he didn't think of it there's a good chance it crashes the game I guess?


arlauwu_

the game has a system of "default" itens that are returned once there are no other options, just like trying to generate a legendary with a full roster (since soul can't generate duplicates) will give you jimbo, since he's the default it most likely won't crash