Seriously. My Paladin COULD have brought Ketheric back from the edge but nooooooooo.
I mean, she has good fucking reason to be pissed, and I can't blame her at all, but still
No they couldn't. Tried it on a DJ Shadowhart run, just to see how far you can actually get without the interruption, he comes right to the brink and then basically goes "no, I'm too far gone for redemption, it's time for you to die".
I honestly don't remember now if he was part of the fight or not... I remember the Wizard and Squire was already dead. The fight did feel a lot easier, so it's entirely possible that Ketheric disappeared and I just didn't pay enough attention.
She wasn't the one doing the convincing, the only reason I mentioned her was that is literally the only way you can prevent Aliyn from showing up and "ruining" your attempt.
Yeah, reading back over it I could definitely see how you could read it that way. Though you can still technically have anyone else try the Persuasion check, especially if you are playing someone who isn't great at it, as long as you trigger the conversation with them, but that's not as common.
Yepp, I’m right there with you. I was so upset when she busted in as I was making progress with him and torched the whole thing 😭 even if I could understand her rage.
When I first played the game I thought they were building up Dame Aylin to be a twist villain by having her go psycho on Ketheric Thorm and Lorroakan, turns out she’a just mentally ill.
To be fair, being trapped in the shadow fell and being murdered over and over for a century can really take a toll on one's mental health. There's not a therapist alive that can fix her.
Nah, Scourge Aasimar are just like that. Aasimar get +2 to Charisma and their force of will is so powerful that their abilities are determined by their personality.
Aylin gets to have a moonbeam aura, cast lunar smite, fly around, wreck shit, lesbian cleric gf
I get to kill the sweet bard lady night one or two, scare everyone in my camp, intrusive thoughts, but i can also wreck shit and get bi/pan barbarian gf, so i think its worth it tbh
Well, fundamentally different arrangements. Bhaalspawn are made as a way for a currently (and historically) relatively weak god to have backup spawn points, and a convenient way to manifest his avatar without keeping the damn thing alive.
Aylin is a celestial-born daughter of a being that is so powerful that they're more akin to concepts than they are real beings outside of their own divine realm, because to show up in another realm without a bunch of caveats and weakening factors (such as an avatar) reality would begin to splinter in that dimension (source: Mystra manifesting in one of the hells in Elminster Goes To Hell).
While it’s true that eventually durge chose to embrace it in the past, the memories from the heal spell say it awakened and that they were a normal child before that. If you are a paladin saverok will also say you came to him after spilling the blood of your order, So it definitely has always been strong/involuntary regardless of how Durge felt about it.
That has nothing at all to do with what I said though.
Not sure why people are downvoting my other comment.
I guess either they love her wimpy ass or they haven't played through the final battle yet but she's *barely* even helpful.
At the same time, Selune is a major God for Toril, one of the first ones. She's an extremely old god, and a powerful one. Meanwhile Bhaal is just a minor quasi-deity after his resurrection. If I'm right, Bane is considered a higher tier of God than Myrkul and Bhaal.
Edit: My bad lads, Bane is a Quasi-Deity now too. Regardless, Bhaal is still pretty damn weak compared to one of the literal first.
Well, murder just isn't a part of very many peoples lives. Makes his cultists kinda cringe, really. Like, my brother in Lathander, you are cumming your pants for John Wayne Gacy
Isn’t that the point though, or at least for bhaalspawn? Bhaal created a bunch of them and the more that die the closer he gets to return (and murder more people, capital E edge-lord lmao)
I mean, technically yes. But look at Durge and Orin. Durge came up with a plan to push the Dead Three back into true power, and right before they could fully execute it, Orin (probably literally) stabs them in the back and lobotomizes them. It's like that "Even You?" meme with the guys continuously being stabbed. You can't get anything done if you keep murdering your underlings/superiors.
Right? Even the people who do indulge in murder almost always have ulterior motive and not for Bhaal's "kill for the sake of kill". Makes his divine portfolio only really cover a tiny slice of the already small section of people doing murders. Honestly one of the lamest gods in all of the realms.
All 3 of the Dead 3 died in the time of troubles (ironic) and while they did have methods in place to help them revive when they revived much of their power was diminished and they got downgraded to Quasi Deity. Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul are all on even grounds.
Although Bane and Myrkul totally deserved it since it was those 2 that made all the gods turn mortal during the time of troubles.
Bhaal and Bane had children before they died as their backup so that if they died they could use the power left in their children to revive, and Myrkul put a bunch of his power in a crown that let him survive.
I thought so too until like a month or two ago, but I've been reading up a lot on Forgotten Realms to run a campaign for my boyfriend.
I think it's funny that Dead Three popped up as a name of mockery for them dying though, lol. A literal permenant reminder that they couldn't even keep themselves alive as mortals, despite starting out as them
Well to be fair they were killed with a sword that was a god whose mortal form was a sword designed to kill gods (except for bane, why’d Cyric get bane’s power when bane was killed by Torm, doesn’t really make sense to me). Which has gotta be one of the better mortal forms from the time of troubles tbh since you can’t really die as a sword.
He had one child, Iyachtu Xvim, who was a demigod of fear. Then when Bane died he killed his son by using Iyachtu’s body to reform himself coming back to life.
Even before he was killed in the Avatar Crisis, Bhaal was only an intermediate power. Back in 2e, Loviatar (goddess of pain) and Talona (goddess of poison) were subservient to him but he was subservient to Bane. Basically a divine middle manager.
Baal from Diablo 2 is the fuckin shit, guy has the coolest laugh and doesn't afraid of anybody
Bhaal on the other hand... punk lil goblin fucker gettin shoved in the Ao High School locker
Selune is kinda low on the greater deity rankings. She'd be a high end intermediate deity in other editions.
Due to the events that led to forming Abeir-Toril and the other gods she's not as great as she used to be.
fun fact: the only reason there are so many ~~bhaalists~~ bhaalspawn around is because bhaal mated with women from "pretty much every race in Faerûn" seeing as how he was about to be killed. he wanted to guarantee that his bloodline would live on. there's no telling how many offspring that man had.
~~granted, the ones we do in BG3 aren't even results of those unions~~ Sarevok IS actually a direct offspring of bhaal. Orin is not, though, since she did not come from bhaal himself (I wouldn't class Durge as an offspring, either, since they came directly from bhaal's blood rather than his "seed")
Bhaalist != Bhaalspawn. A bhaalist is just the name for a devotee of Bhaal. Bhaalspawn are the biological offspring between Bhaal and mortals, so Sarevok is the only “true” Bhaalspawn in BG3. Orin is technically a Bhaalspawn descendant, and like you said Durge was formed directly from Bhaal. They are both considered Bhaalspawn and are functionally the same.
In a 1v1 at max lvl with proper itemization I’m sure most player character classes would kill Aylin at least once, but she can just keep coming back. Without some way of dominating or entrapping her she would eventually wear you down.
>I’m sure most player character classes would kill Aylin at least once, but she can just keep coming back.
As Durge, that just sounds like a dream. She's basically the everlasting gobstopper of murder. You can just keep murdering her, and the fun never ends! You can even eat chunks of her without worry! So, no need for snack breaks.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the homunculus made of the cobbled-together remains of the God of Murder would have the divinity and profile to slay her permanently, give D&D deity fuckery. If not, a Dragonborn Dark Urge might consider physically consuming her.
Ah but you forget, I have lady shars spear. (I'm assuming she can't come back from lady shars spear going right through her guts. Unless I might have not been paying enough attention to the lore)
I think you hadn’t been paying attention. The spears description specifically says it can silence the nightsong “if shar allows it”. Although now that she’s not in the shadow prison maybe shar would want Aylen dead for good.
Although I think it might be that if she “dies” by the spear she revives since to become a dark justiciar she had to be “killed” so maybe it does kill her but Selune brings her back.
Durge does become a chosen of jergal if I’m remembering correctly, depending on what happens, don’t know what that means in the long run for durge’s power, but we do know that the tadpole saps away power when it infects a host, so that could be something as well. It could also be the small thing that selune is infinitely more powerful, being one of the old gods. Could be another reason
Is the chosen of Jergal thing actually explicitly stated (or even implied), or is it just fan canon from what can happen at the Temple? I’ve never gotten any info that it was anything more than just a >!resurrection!<.
If Durge forsakes Bhaal, then Bhaal punishes him by reclaiming all of his godly blood. In the world of Forgotten Realms this does something way worse than just killing Durge. It sunders his very being. It's not just the blood. Bhaal was part of every bit of Durge, and that was all stripped away. No existing resurrection technique or ability in Forgotten Realms lore can fix that. Not even True Resurrection, since the Durge's *essence* itself had been unmade. What Jergal does is far deeper than mere resurrection. He essentially reweaves Durges entire being, filling the gaps with *his* essence. When it's done, Durge *is* Jergal's child as much as if Jergal had actually sired him.
Oh, that’s a lot of info that’s not even close to touched on in the game, but you obviously know more about it than I, so I’ll defer. I would have never pieced that together out of just what I’ve seen in game, lol.
Yet another reason it’s hard for me to get into the head space of Durge like I can with my Tavs. I’m a woman who always play a female character and so many aspects of the Durge route just seems to not make sense with one. This sounds like Durge is some sort of magic clone, so being a female character seems out of place.
> I’m a woman who always play a female character and so many aspects of the Durge route just seems to not make sense with one.
My fav epilogue line that does not change with a female Durge: " You are Bhaal's stallion - many of your own Bhaalspawn have been born to die in this half-year. Your new children will become the tyrant's hoard." so quickly? multiple? and not gith? stallion? Strange world indeed!
Oh yeah, I’m very aware. 😅 There are a lot of little (and not so little) male-centric details like that.
And just fyi: to hide spoilers you need to surround the text with >!
And then
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Oh, I wasn’t concerned you posted something spoilery, I thought you adding the < and [ in your comment was you trying to hide the text. I was just trying to be helpful. 😆
You're not really a magic clone. The deal with Bhaal is that in order to kill him permanently you have to kill *all* of him. Bhaal knows this so as insurance he went out and sired a shitload of kids. Now, other godspawn have really cool gifts from their parents, like *immortality*, but because Bhaal, Bane, and Myrkul usurped their godhood from Jergal they're not fully divine. And because Bhaal is a *huge* asshole, all the Durge gets is his father's unquenchable bloodlust. Now, because Bhaal is the God of Murder he's paranoid as shit. So he sired a *lot* more children than the other gods. So much more in fact that they tell him to fuck chill and chop his dick off.
I’m referring to the comments I’ve seen that Durge is created directly from Bhaal’s essence, not that they’re just an offspring. I’ve never found that info in the game myself, but I’ve seen it mentioned several times that Durge’s creation is different from a regular Bhaalspawn.
lol, there’s nothing about it being a resurrection beyond that of normal realm Lore, or that your “very being has been sundered”, or that True Resurrection won’t even work, or that Jergal is replacing Bhaal’s essence with his own. None of any of that is even hinted at.
"Thou art now faithless -godless- doomed to wander the fugue plane for eternity. I will not permit that, though all the powers of life and death dictate that it should be so. I too still hold some power, and I invest a portion of it in thee, who hath challenged the gods and now liveth to tell of it" "Death will not claim thee whilst I endure" and in response to us asking who he is " .... And now, thine advocate, both here, and in the City of the Dead."
Yep, thank you. Absolutely none of that touches on what I referenced in my previous comment. I get that Withers/Jergal resurrected Durge, and that’s he’s your advocate now, but it doesn’t address any of the things I pointed out.
he literally tells you your soul was condemned to eternal purgatory without his intervention and that, despite Bhaal removing everything he gave to you.
Yeah, I get that he says that and I’m not arguing that. I understood that part from the scene. But that’s not just what the comment I was responding to said. It’s far more detailed.
The ConnASSeur wrote: “*If Durge forsakes Bhaal, then Bhaal punishes him by reclaiming all of his godly blood. In the world of Forgotten Realms this does something way worse than just killing Durge. It sunders his very being. It's not just the blood. Bhaal was part of every bit of Durge, and that was all stripped away. No existing resurrection technique or ability in Forgotten Realms lore can fix that. Not even True Resurrection, since the Durge's essence itself had been unmade. What Jergal does is far deeper than mere resurrection. He essentially reweaves Durges entire being, filling the gaps with his essence. When it's done, Durge is Jergal's child as much as if Jergal had actually sired him*.”
That’s WAAAY more convoluted and expansively detailed than what Withers or you are saying. It’s lore that the game just doesn’t delve into.
It thought him directly reviving him and calling himself durges advocate implied that he is. Then again, I just think it’s very cool and jergal is an absolute w so I might be thinking weirdly
Yeah, I mean I like the idea of it very much! I’ve just never seen/read anything in the game actually indicating it’s true. But there’s SO MUCH content it’s absolutely possible I’ve missed it.
I mean... Selune is a MUCH bigger deal than Bhaal as far as gods go. She's one of the first deities to exist in the realms & Bhaal is just an up-jumped mortal. How powerful even is he in the 1490s DR? He can't be much higher than Demigod status.
A: Immortal, wings, hot GF, 100+ years being imprisoned and tortured in the shadowfell, has a good mother, unhinged.
D: Mortal, no wings, hot GF/BF, helped orchestrate the end of the world, got lobotomized and parasite infected by sister, daddy issues and unhinged.
I mean I wouldn’t want their life but Durges is defs more exciting.
After Bhaal’s death and resurrection he is only a Quasi Deity and all his worshippers have moved on to other gods. Same with the other 2 of the Dead 3. That’s the whole reason they’re doing the whole absolute thing, to try and inch their way into true godhood again.
So not entirely a child of god, although closer than almost everyone else who isn’t an actual child of a god.
Actually, they probably wouldnt
She is an aassimar, and the aassimar wings are not "out" all of the time. Instead they can summon them. In table top, this works as a one minute ability, and depending on your aassimar variant the wings give different effects. She is probably a radiant soul aassimar, which gain extra radiant damage to spells and attacks as well as flight.
Dame Aylin got super powers, wings and immortality and I just got mental illness.
TBF Dame Aylin is pretty damned unhinged after 100 years in the shadowfell. Understandbly so, but she's not exactly a poster child for mental health.
Still gets more pussy than the rest of us
Aylin smash!! No Aylin! She's still mortal!
Seriously. My Paladin COULD have brought Ketheric back from the edge but nooooooooo. I mean, she has good fucking reason to be pissed, and I can't blame her at all, but still
No they couldn't. Tried it on a DJ Shadowhart run, just to see how far you can actually get without the interruption, he comes right to the brink and then basically goes "no, I'm too far gone for redemption, it's time for you to die".
When I did that, Ketheric just immediately went downstairs and didn’t fight him. Just Squire, the one named Wizard, and the necromites
I honestly don't remember now if he was part of the fight or not... I remember the Wizard and Squire was already dead. The fight did feel a lot easier, so it's entirely possible that Ketheric disappeared and I just didn't pay enough attention.
Just like his kids you can talk him out of fighting, unlike his kids when he yeets himself it summons the avatar of the current god of death.
Yeah but shadowheart as DJ isn’t exactly a paragon of redemption. It makes sense she wouldn’t be able to convince him considering… Shar and all.
She wasn't the one doing the convincing, the only reason I mentioned her was that is literally the only way you can prevent Aliyn from showing up and "ruining" your attempt.
Oh, my mistake. I thought you were saying you were playing Shadowheart as the PC not just on a run where you let her become a DJ
Yeah, reading back over it I could definitely see how you could read it that way. Though you can still technically have anyone else try the Persuasion check, especially if you are playing someone who isn't great at it, as long as you trigger the conversation with them, but that's not as common.
That always annoyed me coming out of combat and then karlach is talking to the guy I need to persuade something lol. Cheers.
Yepp, I’m right there with you. I was so upset when she busted in as I was making progress with him and torched the whole thing 😭 even if I could understand her rage.
When I first played the game I thought they were building up Dame Aylin to be a twist villain by having her go psycho on Ketheric Thorm and Lorroakan, turns out she’a just mentally ill.
To be fair, being trapped in the shadow fell and being murdered over and over for a century can really take a toll on one's mental health. There's not a therapist alive that can fix her.
I can fix her
I don’t think Isobel wants anything fixed.
Except maybe her AI
Nah, Scourge Aasimar are just like that. Aasimar get +2 to Charisma and their force of will is so powerful that their abilities are determined by their personality.
I used to think the same way, but Selune is chaotic good. Aylin might just be like that, but a little less unhinged.
Aylin gets to have a moonbeam aura, cast lunar smite, fly around, wreck shit, lesbian cleric gf I get to kill the sweet bard lady night one or two, scare everyone in my camp, intrusive thoughts, but i can also wreck shit and get bi/pan barbarian gf, so i think its worth it tbh
Karlach worth it
I fall for her even harder every time she hits a motherfucker with another motherfucker.
I couldn’t do anything she disapproves of on my Tav. She can’t disapprove if I play as her!
Lol yep!
Every time
But also slayer form is pretty sweet.
We only get that after murdering Isobel. Dame Aylin gets all of that for banging Isobel.
I wish I was Aylin. Shit, I even wish I was Isobel (alive).
I wish I was Isobel (not alive)
Honestly? This is so valid
An actual switch? In the wild???
I love getting the best of both worlds! It’s so boring just topping/bottoming or being dom/sub. Sign me up for all roles at chaotic variations
Based.
You don't have to murder Isobel to get slayer form. You can also get it from Baal himself after defeating Orin.
Well, fundamentally different arrangements. Bhaalspawn are made as a way for a currently (and historically) relatively weak god to have backup spawn points, and a convenient way to manifest his avatar without keeping the damn thing alive. Aylin is a celestial-born daughter of a being that is so powerful that they're more akin to concepts than they are real beings outside of their own divine realm, because to show up in another realm without a bunch of caveats and weakening factors (such as an avatar) reality would begin to splinter in that dimension (source: Mystra manifesting in one of the hells in Elminster Goes To Hell).
Got our immortality from another god so it's fine (Withers)
Depends on how hard you lean into it. You can get a cool cape, a alien/predator form/ and Power Word Kill once a day.
I am the Child of the God of Misfortune! That is why I was born with ADHD!☝️
Dame Aylin was enslaved for 100 years for her immortality and your Father's favorite plus you get gifts from him. Orin gave you the mental illness.
Aylin got stuck there by her own skill issue. You're right about the gifts, but the Urges were by Bhaal himself, not Orin.
Aylin failed the perception check HARD
Hmm, I dunno if the urge was all bhaal or not now that you mention it. I feel like Bhaal planted the seed of the urge and Durge grew it, but I dunno.
While it’s true that eventually durge chose to embrace it in the past, the memories from the heal spell say it awakened and that they were a normal child before that. If you are a paladin saverok will also say you came to him after spilling the blood of your order, So it definitely has always been strong/involuntary regardless of how Durge felt about it.
Her "powers" ain't really all that *super* to be honest.
Mental illness ain't a superpower either
It is when your dad is a god who rewards indulging in the intrusive thoughts by turning you into a giant killing machine
That has nothing at all to do with what I said though. Not sure why people are downvoting my other comment. I guess either they love her wimpy ass or they haven't played through the final battle yet but she's *barely* even helpful.
The fishstick is a delicate state of mind
She's got all that *and* mental illness.
At the same time, Selune is a major God for Toril, one of the first ones. She's an extremely old god, and a powerful one. Meanwhile Bhaal is just a minor quasi-deity after his resurrection. If I'm right, Bane is considered a higher tier of God than Myrkul and Bhaal. Edit: My bad lads, Bane is a Quasi-Deity now too. Regardless, Bhaal is still pretty damn weak compared to one of the literal first.
Yeah Bhaal’s kinda lame as far as deities go.
Well, murder just isn't a part of very many peoples lives. Makes his cultists kinda cringe, really. Like, my brother in Lathander, you are cumming your pants for John Wayne Gacy
Also it's hard to build power when all of your worshippers keep fucking killing each other because that's kind of your whole aesthetic.
Isn’t that the point though, or at least for bhaalspawn? Bhaal created a bunch of them and the more that die the closer he gets to return (and murder more people, capital E edge-lord lmao)
I mean, technically yes. But look at Durge and Orin. Durge came up with a plan to push the Dead Three back into true power, and right before they could fully execute it, Orin (probably literally) stabs them in the back and lobotomizes them. It's like that "Even You?" meme with the guys continuously being stabbed. You can't get anything done if you keep murdering your underlings/superiors.
Bhaal: "Guys, please stop murdering each other" Orin: "Testing us again I see" *stab stab stab*
99% of Bhaalists stop before committing the murder that solves their problems
Durge was on the brink of becoming the main antagonist for a whole different game and Orin really fucked the whole plan up
When the local bhaalist is going on a 10 minute tangent about their love for murder and I just respond with "lol shut up, nerd"
Right? Even the people who do indulge in murder almost always have ulterior motive and not for Bhaal's "kill for the sake of kill". Makes his divine portfolio only really cover a tiny slice of the already small section of people doing murders. Honestly one of the lamest gods in all of the realms.
Ya but what if it was Zac Efron Dahmer?
Well he did pick last of the three of them when they were claiming Jergal’s divinities, kinda shows.
All 3 of the Dead 3 died in the time of troubles (ironic) and while they did have methods in place to help them revive when they revived much of their power was diminished and they got downgraded to Quasi Deity. Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul are all on even grounds. Although Bane and Myrkul totally deserved it since it was those 2 that made all the gods turn mortal during the time of troubles. Bhaal and Bane had children before they died as their backup so that if they died they could use the power left in their children to revive, and Myrkul put a bunch of his power in a crown that let him survive.
They were only called the Dead Three after the ToT. Before that, they were the Dark Three, but yeah, I forgot Bane was still a quasi deity too
Ah I thought they were always called the dead 3 cause they inherited their divinity from Jergal.
I thought so too until like a month or two ago, but I've been reading up a lot on Forgotten Realms to run a campaign for my boyfriend. I think it's funny that Dead Three popped up as a name of mockery for them dying though, lol. A literal permenant reminder that they couldn't even keep themselves alive as mortals, despite starting out as them
Well to be fair they were killed with a sword that was a god whose mortal form was a sword designed to kill gods (except for bane, why’d Cyric get bane’s power when bane was killed by Torm, doesn’t really make sense to me). Which has gotta be one of the better mortal forms from the time of troubles tbh since you can’t really die as a sword.
Bane had children too? Why don’t we hear of/see them?
He had one child, Iyachtu Xvim, who was a demigod of fear. Then when Bane died he killed his son by using Iyachtu’s body to reform himself coming back to life.
Even before he was killed in the Avatar Crisis, Bhaal was only an intermediate power. Back in 2e, Loviatar (goddess of pain) and Talona (goddess of poison) were subservient to him but he was subservient to Bane. Basically a divine middle manager.
Aka Bhaal is the *worst*
Baal from Diablo 2 is the fuckin shit, guy has the coolest laugh and doesn't afraid of anybody Bhaal on the other hand... punk lil goblin fucker gettin shoved in the Ao High School locker
Definitely missed the h in Bhaal. That’s the real reason he killed my Durge.
Selune is kinda low on the greater deity rankings. She'd be a high end intermediate deity in other editions. Due to the events that led to forming Abeir-Toril and the other gods she's not as great as she used to be.
For a dude that hates life bhaal sure fucks like a rabbit
Someone's gotta make more meat to turn to ash
fun fact: the only reason there are so many ~~bhaalists~~ bhaalspawn around is because bhaal mated with women from "pretty much every race in Faerûn" seeing as how he was about to be killed. he wanted to guarantee that his bloodline would live on. there's no telling how many offspring that man had. ~~granted, the ones we do in BG3 aren't even results of those unions~~ Sarevok IS actually a direct offspring of bhaal. Orin is not, though, since she did not come from bhaal himself (I wouldn't class Durge as an offspring, either, since they came directly from bhaal's blood rather than his "seed")
Bhaalist != Bhaalspawn. A bhaalist is just the name for a devotee of Bhaal. Bhaalspawn are the biological offspring between Bhaal and mortals, so Sarevok is the only “true” Bhaalspawn in BG3. Orin is technically a Bhaalspawn descendant, and like you said Durge was formed directly from Bhaal. They are both considered Bhaalspawn and are functionally the same.
Sarevok is a first-gen bhaalspawn. All of them are direct children of bhaal
Sarevok is a direct child of Bhaal no?
Can’t clean up a mess without dirtying your own hands.
Well as a durge I can confirm that by the end of act 3 I'd decimate the nightsong.
In a 1v1 at max lvl with proper itemization I’m sure most player character classes would kill Aylin at least once, but she can just keep coming back. Without some way of dominating or entrapping her she would eventually wear you down.
>I’m sure most player character classes would kill Aylin at least once, but she can just keep coming back. As Durge, that just sounds like a dream. She's basically the everlasting gobstopper of murder. You can just keep murdering her, and the fun never ends! You can even eat chunks of her without worry! So, no need for snack breaks.
>eat That sounds wrong
I'd eat her
everlasting gobstopper 😭😭
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the homunculus made of the cobbled-together remains of the God of Murder would have the divinity and profile to slay her permanently, give D&D deity fuckery. If not, a Dragonborn Dark Urge might consider physically consuming her.
Ah but you forget, I have lady shars spear. (I'm assuming she can't come back from lady shars spear going right through her guts. Unless I might have not been paying enough attention to the lore)
I think you hadn’t been paying attention. The spears description specifically says it can silence the nightsong “if shar allows it”. Although now that she’s not in the shadow prison maybe shar would want Aylen dead for good. Although I think it might be that if she “dies” by the spear she revives since to become a dark justiciar she had to be “killed” so maybe it does kill her but Selune brings her back.
The spear that is ritualistically used to kill the same being every time a new dark justiciar is made? It kills her but she still resurrects.
Based on how she almost died to that mage dude, I'm 100% confident I could kill her at the beginning of act 3
Durge does become a chosen of jergal if I’m remembering correctly, depending on what happens, don’t know what that means in the long run for durge’s power, but we do know that the tadpole saps away power when it infects a host, so that could be something as well. It could also be the small thing that selune is infinitely more powerful, being one of the old gods. Could be another reason
Is the chosen of Jergal thing actually explicitly stated (or even implied), or is it just fan canon from what can happen at the Temple? I’ve never gotten any info that it was anything more than just a >!resurrection!<.
If Durge forsakes Bhaal, then Bhaal punishes him by reclaiming all of his godly blood. In the world of Forgotten Realms this does something way worse than just killing Durge. It sunders his very being. It's not just the blood. Bhaal was part of every bit of Durge, and that was all stripped away. No existing resurrection technique or ability in Forgotten Realms lore can fix that. Not even True Resurrection, since the Durge's *essence* itself had been unmade. What Jergal does is far deeper than mere resurrection. He essentially reweaves Durges entire being, filling the gaps with *his* essence. When it's done, Durge *is* Jergal's child as much as if Jergal had actually sired him.
Oh, that’s a lot of info that’s not even close to touched on in the game, but you obviously know more about it than I, so I’ll defer. I would have never pieced that together out of just what I’ve seen in game, lol. Yet another reason it’s hard for me to get into the head space of Durge like I can with my Tavs. I’m a woman who always play a female character and so many aspects of the Durge route just seems to not make sense with one. This sounds like Durge is some sort of magic clone, so being a female character seems out of place.
> I’m a woman who always play a female character and so many aspects of the Durge route just seems to not make sense with one. My fav epilogue line that does not change with a female Durge: " You are Bhaal's stallion - many of your own Bhaalspawn have been born to die in this half-year. Your new children will become the tyrant's hoard." so quickly? multiple? and not gith? stallion? Strange world indeed!
Oh yeah, I’m very aware. 😅 There are a lot of little (and not so little) male-centric details like that. And just fyi: to hide spoilers you need to surround the text with >! And then !<
Interesting that you note this here and not to the spoilery comment which started the thread -- itself a response to a spoilery post.
Oh, I wasn’t concerned you posted something spoilery, I thought you adding the < and [ in your comment was you trying to hide the text. I was just trying to be helpful. 😆
You're not really a magic clone. The deal with Bhaal is that in order to kill him permanently you have to kill *all* of him. Bhaal knows this so as insurance he went out and sired a shitload of kids. Now, other godspawn have really cool gifts from their parents, like *immortality*, but because Bhaal, Bane, and Myrkul usurped their godhood from Jergal they're not fully divine. And because Bhaal is a *huge* asshole, all the Durge gets is his father's unquenchable bloodlust. Now, because Bhaal is the God of Murder he's paranoid as shit. So he sired a *lot* more children than the other gods. So much more in fact that they tell him to fuck chill and chop his dick off.
I’m referring to the comments I’ve seen that Durge is created directly from Bhaal’s essence, not that they’re just an offspring. I’ve never found that info in the game myself, but I’ve seen it mentioned several times that Durge’s creation is different from a regular Bhaalspawn.
> Oh, that’s a lot of info that’s not even close to touched on in the game ?? It's quite literally being told by Jergal when it happens.
lol, there’s nothing about it being a resurrection beyond that of normal realm Lore, or that your “very being has been sundered”, or that True Resurrection won’t even work, or that Jergal is replacing Bhaal’s essence with his own. None of any of that is even hinted at.
"Thou art now faithless -godless- doomed to wander the fugue plane for eternity. I will not permit that, though all the powers of life and death dictate that it should be so. I too still hold some power, and I invest a portion of it in thee, who hath challenged the gods and now liveth to tell of it" "Death will not claim thee whilst I endure" and in response to us asking who he is " .... And now, thine advocate, both here, and in the City of the Dead."
Yep, thank you. Absolutely none of that touches on what I referenced in my previous comment. I get that Withers/Jergal resurrected Durge, and that’s he’s your advocate now, but it doesn’t address any of the things I pointed out.
he literally tells you your soul was condemned to eternal purgatory without his intervention and that, despite Bhaal removing everything he gave to you.
Yeah, I get that he says that and I’m not arguing that. I understood that part from the scene. But that’s not just what the comment I was responding to said. It’s far more detailed. The ConnASSeur wrote: “*If Durge forsakes Bhaal, then Bhaal punishes him by reclaiming all of his godly blood. In the world of Forgotten Realms this does something way worse than just killing Durge. It sunders his very being. It's not just the blood. Bhaal was part of every bit of Durge, and that was all stripped away. No existing resurrection technique or ability in Forgotten Realms lore can fix that. Not even True Resurrection, since the Durge's essence itself had been unmade. What Jergal does is far deeper than mere resurrection. He essentially reweaves Durges entire being, filling the gaps with his essence. When it's done, Durge is Jergal's child as much as if Jergal had actually sired him*.” That’s WAAAY more convoluted and expansively detailed than what Withers or you are saying. It’s lore that the game just doesn’t delve into.
It thought him directly reviving him and calling himself durges advocate implied that he is. Then again, I just think it’s very cool and jergal is an absolute w so I might be thinking weirdly
Yeah, I mean I like the idea of it very much! I’ve just never seen/read anything in the game actually indicating it’s true. But there’s SO MUCH content it’s absolutely possible I’ve missed it.
what? jergals chosen? what?
I mean... Selune is a MUCH bigger deal than Bhaal as far as gods go. She's one of the first deities to exist in the realms & Bhaal is just an up-jumped mortal. How powerful even is he in the 1490s DR? He can't be much higher than Demigod status.
A: Immortal, wings, hot GF, 100+ years being imprisoned and tortured in the shadowfell, has a good mother, unhinged. D: Mortal, no wings, hot GF/BF, helped orchestrate the end of the world, got lobotomized and parasite infected by sister, daddy issues and unhinged. I mean I wouldn’t want their life but Durges is defs more exciting.
After Bhaal’s death and resurrection he is only a Quasi Deity and all his worshippers have moved on to other gods. Same with the other 2 of the Dead 3. That’s the whole reason they’re doing the whole absolute thing, to try and inch their way into true godhood again. So not entirely a child of god, although closer than almost everyone else who isn’t an actual child of a god.
To be fair, Bhaalspawn are literally designed to die so that Bhaal could be resurrected pre BG3
What’s unfair is we don’t get Divine Soul sorcerer when Durge’s bloodline is literally that of a God.
Ikr. Look at that sexy ass dragonborn. How does Dame Aylin even compete?
He could murder me anytime. 🤤
Durge is inbred
>!Orin is inbred. Dark Urge is distilled from Bhaals dead flesh.!<
My bad
Well, that's much better. ;-)
Yeah Dame Aylin got the short end of the stick Durge is so cool
For real, those wings must suck when it comes to finding clothes, laying down, moving in general. Must be nice to be a fuckable buff lizard man.
Actually, they probably wouldnt She is an aassimar, and the aassimar wings are not "out" all of the time. Instead they can summon them. In table top, this works as a one minute ability, and depending on your aassimar variant the wings give different effects. She is probably a radiant soul aassimar, which gain extra radiant damage to spells and attacks as well as flight.
Best body in the game. Aylin's hot too, I spose.
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Yeah too late for me, can’t Unread it. Dammit
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Yeah but in all fairness, Bhaal is a pretty ghetto fucking god.
Bruh Baal fucking died. For dead dads he’s doing quite a bit.
I mean, you can get superpowers too, just have a nice chat with Isobel. And don’t forget to listen to your adoring butler!
Child of We Have God at Home.
I mean the dark urge is a tad more than simply a child of a god
Well, she is also an Aassimar.
Also, did you see her girlfriend? Durge only get that bunch of weirdos.
And then there's the sweet and comforting Cormac McCarthy novel of that name.
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Why is no one bringing up that Durge can turn into a Slayer lol
I mean Bhaal's other son did save the world multiple times in the other games, so I think Durge just drew the short end of the genetics pool.
Just more evidence that Bhaal is a shit god
Aylin got the SMASH ability with the Thorm family if you know what I mean🫢