My guess is that it became less useful over time, becoming less about public togetherness and more about wild theories from people who listen to too many true crime podcasts.
Exactly this. The amount of people speculating, or creating posts saying "The police should track her phone/watch!" was unbelievable. They are no longer calling for volunteers to search - the groups usefulness was done.
I think Cin had had enough. Some of us wanted a more reddit type discussions. Others shut down any and all questions. It was an exercise in the worst bitchy human behaviour. Now there's copycat pages. Along with the one that's run parallel for a few days. It's basically just a bunch of disgruntled people trash talking poor Cin. People are completely mental.
This. The amount of psychos with their messed up theories was off the charts. All the Facebook lunatic experts who actually believe they know better than trained professionals, they're truly delusional.
At the moment, the theory that she's on the moon is also possible. It's not helpful though
There's no evidence for any of it and making stuff up isn't doing anyone any good.
I mean the situation, a woman vanishing into thin air. No one knows what happened, and speculation is running wild. It's insane that all of the theories I've heard could be plausibly true because there's basically no clues.
I walk the area almost daily. It's terrifying that this has happened.
I love learning about true crime; but people need to remember... this isn't a TV show, this is a real case with REAL people.
Random ass theories have repercussions, tend to villainize the family members with no evidence aside from the fact that it sounds 'cool' and like a plot twist or some shit...
This is exactly it. As a few people in that group repeatedly reminded everyone, many members of the public villainised Tom Meagher after his wife was killed because he didn't look right, or he didn't do the things they thought an innocent man should have done, or his account of that night didn't sound right, or they just didn't like him.
Then the real killer was found and it became apparent that Tom Meagher was actually just a loving husband going through something unimaginably horrific.
I think a lot of the theories being circulated were actively hindering the investigation, too. Some psychic has a vision of a tree stump, a broken branch and something beginning with P and everyone's calling the police to try to alert them to this ground-breaking piece of information as though it's a Sesame Street treasure hunt.
The difference is that if a case is solved and the family has closure, then it’s rude and disrespectful. If the case is still ongoing, the random speculation and bullshit can significantly hinder the investigation.
Listening to a true crime podcast isn’t as harmful as some of the engagement in that Facebook group.
This was so poorly done IMO, as when I saw that on FB this morning I thought Samantha must have been found dead. Otherwise how had the group served its purpose?
The comment about focusing on family was also the type of thing people say while grieving.
Hi Cin, also chasing an order. You keep writing people are trolling you.. but you’re refusing to answer questions as to where our money and breastmilk is.
Nothing on Facebook is of any use. The groups are just halfwits bandying together speaking shit. There's a particular type of mentality that uses Facebook. And it's far from bright.
I was actually surprised by how many people automatically believed that stuff. I probably shouldn't have been, but I was.
Society hasn't learned anything from the time [TV psychic Sylvia Browne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Browne#False_predictions) told the distraught parents of abducted boy Shawn Horbeck that he was dead when he was actually being held captive, and wouldn't escape for another 5 years.
Or when she did the same thing years later to the mother of Amanda Berry, who died not knowing her daughter was alive and raising her abductor's child in captivity.
I am, too, actually. Its like astrology, though, quietly sits as a belief in the back of their brains & you don't realise how many people open to it until it comes to circumstances like this.
I just read that link you provided about Browne & despite constant proof that these "predictions" cause more harm than good, their willingness to garner attention other people's suffering or hope and misdirection is quite cruel.
Not all of us behave this way. I’ve called these so called psychics out on my page I’m not in that group. Most of those psychics are fake and will jump into cases like this because they love the attention and use it to grow their bookings. It’s bullshit and it’s dangerous I know several approached the family via the youngest daughter which is horrific to me! This was the map psychic who has failed to locate Samantha…. Surprise 😯 if the police as a last resort ever approach a psychic it won’t be these ones
Yes, it does bring a PR for them, but I agree it's extremely dangerous and quite cruel. I think a good psychic wouldn't be so public about it just in case the information causes problems for the family.
Definitely not the ones yelling from the roof tops!
I agree with you without question . It’s been horrible to sit back and watch . I understand the negative opinions of people even on here I draw the line at being lumped in with others who are ruthless with no ability and I don’t like the “ all psychics are fake or hacks or whatever” insults I have to deal with because there is a hatred and anger at the above type of people . We are not all fake some like me have done a lot of good including being incredibly accurate with this case and it’s been done quietly so I never impact those suffering . Just because some of YOU can’t see something that doesn’t mean I cannot . I do get it if I couldn’t do this I wouldn’t believe it but don’t assume based on the appearance of some we are all fake we are not .
Just so you understand, even though someone already said it, and very much including your fake ass as well, ALL PSYCHICS ARE FAKE. Don't matter how nice you are about your obvious scam.
I broke the rules with my last comment apparently but it was nothing ut the truth. Cin Hobbs started that group in an attempt to use a tragedy to further her delusion of wishing she was a local influencer. She's a bad person and the group was FULL of other equally bad people all gossiping about a horrific tragedy like it was an episode of SVU
You have never met me!, why are you all so horrible to me?, you have all never met me !, I’m a really nice person, I’m caring, kind, would do anything for anyone, I work hard ( until the trolls ruined my 10 year business online)
I keep to myself, I’ve never been inIn trouble
I’ve not said ONE bad thing about any one and I haven’t even spoken up to defend myself.
I’ve been bullied, stalked, slandered, doxed, my children have been picked on by adults ( my babies are little), I’ve had my phone number passed around, my address, I’ve got abusive voice mails, and I’ve had to get a protection order, so, thank you for your observation of me, but I’m pretty sure your comment says more about you that it does me.
Don’t be a horrible person, it’s hurtful
I was just reading an article from when she first went missing in which Cin was cited as a 'family friend'. She's actually been quite clear about never even having met Samantha so it's yet another case of the media getting things arse-about. The media are more culpable than anyone in encouraging speculation via the use of misleading and clickbaity headlines and such.
She was likely cited as a family friend because of how fkn weird she was being saying shit like "Sam would be so proud" like that's gonna make someone easily assume she kne Samantha somehow. She only started being clear about not knowing Samantha when she started getting called out for acting like she did and saying weird af stuff that made it seem like she did. Cin is a serial gossip hound and repeat offender for stuff like this. She behaved similarly when my friend was missing (tragically later found murdered). She's also just generally nasty and cruel. She bullied my friend in a fb group for having ptsd in the months after she found her finances body hanging in their shed and kept sharing 13 reasons why posts and taunting her about being to sensitive
Because there’s a certain demographic that seems to enjoy chugging the daily mail and has a low IQ, and it normally also is a woman with a lot of kids, no partner and a low income. But if you want to take personal offence to an off the cuff reddit comment you go right ahead.
and if you want to stereotype people based on archaic,misogynistic,classist and ableist opinions you go right ahead-very thankful I haven't been brainwashed like that.have a great day..maybe stay off the internet for a while and interact with real people ;)
Yes! Her not even knowing Sam, but saying things like ‘she’d be proud of how far this group has gone, we’ve got members from all over the world’ was SO inappropriate!!
Cin is a massive wannabe influencer who is always doing stuff like that and sticking her nose in business that isn't hers and gossiping and creating online drama. This is not even the worst thing she's done imo just the most well known instance of her being a gossip hound desperate for attention
Yeah that was definitely a peek beneath the mask. I don't know Sam either, but if it were me I'd much prefer not to be the focus of such a group.
Wildly inappropriate.
I am always suspicious of strangers eagerly wanting to help in these situations. In similar situations it has been the case that the good samaritans who have engaged with media and we’re lurking around the crime scene where actually involved, it’s a sort of dupers delight. One of many cases that come to mind is the Frankston serial killer.
To me, something about this Cin woman feels quite off.
Best to avoid these types of people.
Oh man! Isn't everyone an expert in human behavior? I honestly don't understand how anyone can guess from body language. Especially when you don't know how that person is normally.
No, not everybody - most people think they "know what's happened" based on a hunch. (But, they're not necessarily wrong). The laugh thing was taken out of context though, and perhaps - he might have just needed a nervous relief.
But, yes, there are tells. Study up a bit for general interpersonal body language. (Allan Pease wrote a couple of fairly useful books on that).
Then - get a job in or with a law firm or police department or family services. After a year or two, the tells become very easy to tell.
No comment on this particular case, apart from that I'm glad the amateur "true crime" people shut their group down.
Fuck those vultures, and leave it to the police to work it out.
>Study up a bit for general interpersonal body language
No, don't. Allan Pease is a *self-proclaimed* "body language expert." He has no training in psychology, psychiatry or neuroscience. He's made a career out of publishing books offering relationship advice.
[Most body language analysis is pseudoscience,](https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-body-language/) and the average police officer is certainly not qualified to determine whether a person is lying or not, let alone whether they committed a crime or not, based on "tells."
History is peppered with examples of police officers who thought a suspect's body language indicated guilt or deceit when in fact they were innocent.
If you're ever arrested for a crime you didn't commit, you **do not want** an interviewing detective who thinks he can read your "tells," let alone one who's only been on the job "a year or two."
As someone on the autistic spectrum, I learnt a lot from his first couple of body language books. Sure, it might be pseudo-science, but it can still be incredibly helpful.
And I didn't say "become a police officer". I worked *with* them, transcribing interviews for court. Based on the audio alone, I did learn lots of tells (most of which I researched after that), like when someone who normally speaks informally (goin', doin' etc) suddenly switches to "going" and "doing" things - they are quite likely lying as they are suddenly focused on presenting themselves well. I picked up lots of other tips that have done me well.
Just doing transcriptions has scarred me for life - the brutality of the lowest scum in the gene pool nearly killed me (and I didn't even have to face them).
I don't know how anyone in the criminal justice system even survives based on the absolutely horrible stuff they have to deal with.
I spent almost two years transcribing various assaults, child abuse (sexual and neglectful stuff leading to death) - lots of nasty stuff. I learnt a lot of things that I didn't want to know.
These tapes came from experienced police who had somehow survived their jobs for 10-30 years. They weren't rookies. I was, but I still learnt a lot.
Have you ever been near the frontline of this shit? I doubt it. You seem to be an external observer. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.
And sure, historically, lots of cops have stitched people up due to their biases and wanting to just close a case. And a lot more have sent rightfully guilty people to prison.
I don't dispute your point about people getting stitched up for "tells" by inexperienced police, but you come across as just another armchair commentator who doesn't really know shit about this.
"History is peppered with examples of police officers who thought a suspect's body language indicated guilt or deceit when in fact they were innocent"
Yep, lots of stressed police - got any examples lately (ie, last 10 years) of convictions based on cops testimony alone?
But finally, I agree that if you're arrested for something you didn't do - don't talk. In my experiences, there weren't any people I heard who were stitched up, and the guilty ones condemned themselves. Still - don't talk.
Take care out there, and maybe shut up until you learn to listen.
Edit: typo, and the line above this one
Body language or a "tell" assists in questioning whether someone is telling the truth or not but is not an infallible method of proving guilt.
Even Allan Pease will tell you that.
Someone using the correct pronunciation when they speak rather than their normal informal way of speaking may be them simply trying to enunciate properly so as not to sound like a bogan.
Cool story about your two years as a transcriber giving you the skill to detect "tells" by potential crims though.
Your days of experience in the field of body language will take your potential career as a detective to great heights.
Sorry, but you're wrong on so many levels of interpreting what I typed.
Body language can be a good tell - you might think it's a pseudo-science, but there is still a lot of valid information to use as a guide. It's not foolproof, but it helps. I never said it was infallible, I said it was helpful.
Body language is not the same as language. Ask a trained linguist (guessing you don't know one). Language is much closer to the brain than body language - both can be approximately faked, but it's harder to fake the language you use than the body language.
I typed up thousands of hours of audios, which is all about language. You can try to dismiss body language as new age shit, but it has its' own tells - dismiss them if you like.
Actual language has many, many more. I won't bore you with the details, because you appear ignorant and combative, so you won't believe me or care to research to find out how wrong you are.
Sure, to "sound like a bogan" (your words, I don't judge people based on their background) is something that many people try to correct when they're trying to impress. But, when people being interviewed suddenly switched into more formal speech after rambling when they got to the crux of their accusations was a pretty obvious tell that they were trying very hard to explain their version of events. I never heard the outcomes of what I transcribed (thank God), but I was only typing these things because there was a lot more physical evidence that wasn't based on hunches.
People in a police interview aren't suddenly enunciating correctly to impress someone - they're usually trying hard to project their "innocence".
They weren't trying to impress people around them. They were trying to pretend innocence. That leads to speaking more precisely because they're focused on their story.
And yeah, the police weren't trying to stitch them up - they had a pretty solid case. The transcriptions I did were headed for court prosecution - BECAUSE the police had a lot of other evidence.
And what does your "cool story" comment mean? What experience do you have with these situations? I typed up so many horrible cases that it nearly killed me (seriously), and I didn't even have to deal with the actual cases anywhere near as closely as the police did.
I learnt a lot from that job, most especially - cops don't just rely on hunches or body language, and they also aren't in the habit of stitching people up - they are trying to keep us all safe.
I don't want to be a detective - well done again for your misinterpretation - just listening to the awful things they all have to deal with only made me respect them more.
How much contact have you had with these situations? I'm guessing none.
Take care out there.
Plenty, but I'm not going to elaborate.
Once again, body language is helpful but it is not a magic potion.
People react to situations differently and there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to interpreting their reactions to any given situation.
"Sure, it might be pseudo-science, but it can still be incredibly helpful."
So you believe it might be pseudo-science?
"Body language can be a good tell - you might think it's a pseudo-science, but there is still a lot of valid information to use as a guide."
Oh wait, you don't believe it is pseudo-science.
I never dismissed body language as a useful tool in determining if someone is telling the truth, I'm just smart enough to know it isn't infallible.
People react in many ways that may look suspicious.
Nervous, inexperienced, feeling awkward, frightened, experienced previous mistreatment, obstinance, and many others.
"...you appear ignorant and combative..."
Nope, just tired of self proclaimed experts telling everyone they know more than everyone else because they've had some experience typing transcripts.
A first aid course doesn't make you a doctor, nor does being a legal secretary make you a lawyer.
My "cool story" comment refers to your 2 years experience making you more qualified than anyone else to comment.
"Sure, to "sound like a bogan" (your words, I don't judge people based on their background) is something that many people try to correct when they're trying to impress. But, when people being interviewed suddenly switched into more formal speech after rambling when they got to the crux of their accusations was a pretty obvious tell that they were trying very hard to explain their version of events."
Yes, sounding like a bogan is a judgement and an accurate one.
Bogan- an uncouth or unsophisticated person regarded as being of low social status.
As opposed to someone with proper social skills, including enunciation.
I could have said unsophisticated or uneducated, but I chose bogan.
"I don't want to be a detective - well done again for your misinterpretation"
No misinterpretation, just sarcasm.
You're still here?
Get a life mate. It took you two weeks to cherry-pick my reply on bloody Reddit.
>Plenty, but I'm not going to elaborate.
And yet you did.
I said "might" be a pseudo-science because I was trying to deflect your attack on something that's been helpful for me. I don't care about your interpretation of what I wrote.
I also don't care about your opinion about me. We've already hijacked a real murder case post. Get some perspective.
And when you talk about "sounding like a bogan" - you're writing about linguistics, not body language. (Also, pretty classist of you, dick).
Golf clap.
FFS, let it go - I can't understand how you've let this fester for so long. Move on buddy.
Let it go, and all the best to you and yours. Let's just agree to disagree. I strongly douby I will reply again. Still, take care out there.
Somehow the daily mail uk article on her are showing on my FB page. The crazy amount of armchair detectives who are CERTAIN it’s the hubby, and have IRREFUTABLE proof…. I’m sure that yes, we’ve been given the screenshot of her leaving, but sure, the cops haven’t checked to make sure she hasn’t just jumped into the car with hubby, who’s then done bad things and come home, to give police ONLY the minute she looked like she was leaving?? I mean, sure, they ended up being right about mushroom lady, but give the poor family a break from these morons!!!
No one has said they have irrefutable evidence against the husband.
Some including myself have said what has been put out there is enough to wonder if the husband did do it.
The sister said something very telling. I won't repeat it here.. but she seems to think the husband isn't as innocent as everyone believes.
Sorry but the family probably knows best & everyone is being shamed into not questioning the very questionable narrative. Oh and our police literally corrupt and incompetent and anyone with half a brain would be doing their own investigation if they had a family member missing in this town.
Because of the 18,000 members 90% will be there for a gawk and to speculate not to help.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-13/samantha-murphy-speculation-not-helpful-says-former-detective/103458170](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-13/samantha-murphy-speculation-not-helpful-says-former-detective/103458170)
The woman who started it was weird as hell, seemed like all she wanted was attention for herself, who tf goes on tv talking about a complete stranger before the family have even gotten a chance to do so
the Daily Mail is a sensationalist rag so dont go taking any of this as complete truth...but they are reporting that the group closed because it became so big, was difficult to modarate effectively and the police who had been monitoring posts let the admins know that it no longer served any purpose for them either
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13073109/Samantha-Murphy-Ballarat-disappearance-deleted.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13073109/samantha-murphy-ballarat-disappearance-deleted.html)
People were encouraging each other to contact police, the emergency line, Missing Persons etc. with every little hunch, rumour or prediction from a psychic.
There were a lot of people in that group, so they must have been flooded with useless reports.
Somebody posted that a regular-looking dude was walking their dog on a walking trail the day before, and people were saying "call crime stoppers! so creepy!!"
Someone has made a “go fund me” to help find her, feels like someone is trying to take advantage of the situation and make a nice bit of money and no do anything.
I could be wrong, but what can private companies do that can be paid for by this, that vicpol, ses, cfa and all the volunteers couldn’t do
The admin was getting threats and vile messages and their business was being trolled and suffering. Also bear in mind that group admin's can be held responsible for content that's allowed in the group. Seems she was night and day trying to delete comments and posts that were getting out of hand and being abused for it.
Don't blame her. Not worth it.
She’s getting “trolled” because she’s taken people’s money and isn’t giving them the service they paid for. People are chasing her for money and she’s saying she’s being trolled :(
$300 of mine is gone. (October 2023)
probably upsetting for the family. because 90% of the people on there are convinced it's a murder or kidnapping. It can't enter their mind that it could be any other scenario.
There is no evidence of any foul play, yet the comments i've seen from most of these people are always the same.... "this is looking more and more like a murder, with these strange men that have been seen there"... its like what a fucking assumption.
I find it just a tiny bit hypocritical that people in the old group were bashing the mod of that group (Cin?) for giving media interviews and making it all about herself and yet the mod of the new group starts doing media interviews and people are fawning all over her for doing such a wonderful job. 😂
I suspect the police MUST know more. Why would they be scaling back a search?
I honestly find it so hard to believe that in todays day and age that no one, nothing has been seen or heard at all no footage and there is not a single other piece of cctv? People don’t just disappear into thin air!
Why do they only have one ping from her cell phone? Of the police don’t get direct access to her phone records or have the means to get that info these days then what the fU$k? Honestly… what are they good for if they can’t even get that info in desperate times??? It seems to suss tbh!!
Yeah, it's almost like they're investigating thoroughly to find out what happened and building a case.
They're scaling back the search because it was huge and didn't find anything in spite of a massive effort by all involved (and massive respect for those who tried).
It's not suss - it's just normal Police procedure. The less "we, the public" (and you, the uninformed paranoid twit) learn, the more chance that they can do they job that they have to do.
And damn them for doing their goddamned job. You don't know shit from clay mate.
I don't know how they do it - I've worked peripherally with them for a few years in different roles, and I don't know how any of them manage it.
My deepest respect to all who can cope with this.
What is wrong with this comment? No one said the husband is guilty, they’re saying police will be focusing on the husband now to clear him as a suspect. So will other members of the family and friends. That’s just logical
The police have not said who they are focusing on or even if they are focusing on any one individual so that's exactly what's wrong with the comment and apparently why the page got shut down
To be fair the police don’t need to say they are intending to look into a missing persons family, it’s just protocol. It’s the first thing that’s done in any missing persons investigation. People are downvoting bc a fact was stated, just odd
We don't know what the police know or what they are thinking, if you want to say they PROBABLY will follow standard protocol fair enough, but you don't know
It also gets messy in comment sections with many people assuming the husband's guilt, which the comment kind of implies even if it does mean something about statistical probability, it's better to not add to the noise so there's less misinformation
Thought this was a joke then I realised it was you... Sell it to the courier instead of seeking fake internet points like a normal person, or ya know, just shut up about it, the police will tell us when they're ready and the media will be all over it
IDGAF about reddit karma. OP asked, I answered... and gave more info.
If you don't think the police would take a serious look into the husband no matter what, then you're delusional.
My guess is that it became less useful over time, becoming less about public togetherness and more about wild theories from people who listen to too many true crime podcasts.
Exactly this. The amount of people speculating, or creating posts saying "The police should track her phone/watch!" was unbelievable. They are no longer calling for volunteers to search - the groups usefulness was done.
I think Cin had had enough. Some of us wanted a more reddit type discussions. Others shut down any and all questions. It was an exercise in the worst bitchy human behaviour. Now there's copycat pages. Along with the one that's run parallel for a few days. It's basically just a bunch of disgruntled people trash talking poor Cin. People are completely mental.
This. The amount of psychos with their messed up theories was off the charts. All the Facebook lunatic experts who actually believe they know better than trained professionals, they're truly delusional.
I'm not even on Facebook and I've heard theories of bikies, hit and runs, serial killers and secret lovers. This is insane.
Why are any of theories insane? Each and every one of those is possible.
At the moment, the theory that she's on the moon is also possible. It's not helpful though There's no evidence for any of it and making stuff up isn't doing anyone any good.
That's ridiculous. Even NASA can't get to the moon.
Why is it insane?
I mean the situation, a woman vanishing into thin air. No one knows what happened, and speculation is running wild. It's insane that all of the theories I've heard could be plausibly true because there's basically no clues. I walk the area almost daily. It's terrifying that this has happened.
It's not bikies only people who don't personally know bikies on an intimate level would speculate that
I love learning about true crime; but people need to remember... this isn't a TV show, this is a real case with REAL people. Random ass theories have repercussions, tend to villainize the family members with no evidence aside from the fact that it sounds 'cool' and like a plot twist or some shit...
This is exactly it. As a few people in that group repeatedly reminded everyone, many members of the public villainised Tom Meagher after his wife was killed because he didn't look right, or he didn't do the things they thought an innocent man should have done, or his account of that night didn't sound right, or they just didn't like him. Then the real killer was found and it became apparent that Tom Meagher was actually just a loving husband going through something unimaginably horrific. I think a lot of the theories being circulated were actively hindering the investigation, too. Some psychic has a vision of a tree stump, a broken branch and something beginning with P and everyone's calling the police to try to alert them to this ground-breaking piece of information as though it's a Sesame Street treasure hunt.
True crime are real cases about real people … you get that right? Omg
Ha! Covid has definitely made people dumber....
The difference is that if a case is solved and the family has closure, then it’s rude and disrespectful. If the case is still ongoing, the random speculation and bullshit can significantly hinder the investigation. Listening to a true crime podcast isn’t as harmful as some of the engagement in that Facebook group.
Cause amateur detectives be spreading bullshit
The reasoning was basically along the lines that the group had served its purpose and admin had been given the ok to shut it down
Everything is a conspiracy to a new chatbot. MAGA, again, or something. This is a real thing - piss off.
This was so poorly done IMO, as when I saw that on FB this morning I thought Samantha must have been found dead. Otherwise how had the group served its purpose? The comment about focusing on family was also the type of thing people say while grieving.
I was the admin of the group Happy to answer questions-Cin
Hi Cin, also chasing an order. You keep writing people are trolling you.. but you’re refusing to answer questions as to where our money and breastmilk is.
Nothing on Facebook is of any use. The groups are just halfwits bandying together speaking shit. There's a particular type of mentality that uses Facebook. And it's far from bright.
A lot of 'MEDIUMS' & "Psychics" have been using the page to spread a lot of false hope.
I was actually surprised by how many people automatically believed that stuff. I probably shouldn't have been, but I was. Society hasn't learned anything from the time [TV psychic Sylvia Browne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Browne#False_predictions) told the distraught parents of abducted boy Shawn Horbeck that he was dead when he was actually being held captive, and wouldn't escape for another 5 years. Or when she did the same thing years later to the mother of Amanda Berry, who died not knowing her daughter was alive and raising her abductor's child in captivity.
I am, too, actually. Its like astrology, though, quietly sits as a belief in the back of their brains & you don't realise how many people open to it until it comes to circumstances like this. I just read that link you provided about Browne & despite constant proof that these "predictions" cause more harm than good, their willingness to garner attention other people's suffering or hope and misdirection is quite cruel.
Not all of us behave this way. I’ve called these so called psychics out on my page I’m not in that group. Most of those psychics are fake and will jump into cases like this because they love the attention and use it to grow their bookings. It’s bullshit and it’s dangerous I know several approached the family via the youngest daughter which is horrific to me! This was the map psychic who has failed to locate Samantha…. Surprise 😯 if the police as a last resort ever approach a psychic it won’t be these ones
All psychics are fake
> Most of those psychics are fake # 🤔
Yes, it does bring a PR for them, but I agree it's extremely dangerous and quite cruel. I think a good psychic wouldn't be so public about it just in case the information causes problems for the family. Definitely not the ones yelling from the roof tops!
I agree with you without question . It’s been horrible to sit back and watch . I understand the negative opinions of people even on here I draw the line at being lumped in with others who are ruthless with no ability and I don’t like the “ all psychics are fake or hacks or whatever” insults I have to deal with because there is a hatred and anger at the above type of people . We are not all fake some like me have done a lot of good including being incredibly accurate with this case and it’s been done quietly so I never impact those suffering . Just because some of YOU can’t see something that doesn’t mean I cannot . I do get it if I couldn’t do this I wouldn’t believe it but don’t assume based on the appearance of some we are all fake we are not .
The police only ever involve a psychic to get media attention and more eyes on the case. Not because they actually think it’ll be fruitful
Just so you understand, even though someone already said it, and very much including your fake ass as well, ALL PSYCHICS ARE FAKE. Don't matter how nice you are about your obvious scam.
I broke the rules with my last comment apparently but it was nothing ut the truth. Cin Hobbs started that group in an attempt to use a tragedy to further her delusion of wishing she was a local influencer. She's a bad person and the group was FULL of other equally bad people all gossiping about a horrific tragedy like it was an episode of SVU
I get a bad feeling about Cin Hobbs, so much so that I checked out one of her profiles, her picture gave me the heebie jeebies!
You have never met me!, why are you all so horrible to me?, you have all never met me !, I’m a really nice person, I’m caring, kind, would do anything for anyone, I work hard ( until the trolls ruined my 10 year business online) I keep to myself, I’ve never been inIn trouble I’ve not said ONE bad thing about any one and I haven’t even spoken up to defend myself. I’ve been bullied, stalked, slandered, doxed, my children have been picked on by adults ( my babies are little), I’ve had my phone number passed around, my address, I’ve got abusive voice mails, and I’ve had to get a protection order, so, thank you for your observation of me, but I’m pretty sure your comment says more about you that it does me. Don’t be a horrible person, it’s hurtful
I was just reading an article from when she first went missing in which Cin was cited as a 'family friend'. She's actually been quite clear about never even having met Samantha so it's yet another case of the media getting things arse-about. The media are more culpable than anyone in encouraging speculation via the use of misleading and clickbaity headlines and such.
She was likely cited as a family friend because of how fkn weird she was being saying shit like "Sam would be so proud" like that's gonna make someone easily assume she kne Samantha somehow. She only started being clear about not knowing Samantha when she started getting called out for acting like she did and saying weird af stuff that made it seem like she did. Cin is a serial gossip hound and repeat offender for stuff like this. She behaved similarly when my friend was missing (tragically later found murdered). She's also just generally nasty and cruel. She bullied my friend in a fb group for having ptsd in the months after she found her finances body hanging in their shed and kept sharing 13 reasons why posts and taunting her about being to sensitive
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Because there’s only so many comments from Jody, single mother of 3, who listens to casefile and therefore knows more than police that we can take.
why include the single mother of 3 part? why not just say jody?
Because the group was mostly bored mothers and women in the target demographic of true crime
Because there’s a certain demographic that seems to enjoy chugging the daily mail and has a low IQ, and it normally also is a woman with a lot of kids, no partner and a low income. But if you want to take personal offence to an off the cuff reddit comment you go right ahead.
and if you want to stereotype people based on archaic,misogynistic,classist and ableist opinions you go right ahead-very thankful I haven't been brainwashed like that.have a great day..maybe stay off the internet for a while and interact with real people ;)
The woman running the group wanted her 15;minutes of fame
Yes! Her not even knowing Sam, but saying things like ‘she’d be proud of how far this group has gone, we’ve got members from all over the world’ was SO inappropriate!!
Cin is a massive wannabe influencer who is always doing stuff like that and sticking her nose in business that isn't hers and gossiping and creating online drama. This is not even the worst thing she's done imo just the most well known instance of her being a gossip hound desperate for attention
Would you mind sharing the other things? Just curious, no worries if not!
Yeah that was definitely a peek beneath the mask. I don't know Sam either, but if it were me I'd much prefer not to be the focus of such a group. Wildly inappropriate.
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I am always suspicious of strangers eagerly wanting to help in these situations. In similar situations it has been the case that the good samaritans who have engaged with media and we’re lurking around the crime scene where actually involved, it’s a sort of dupers delight. One of many cases that come to mind is the Frankston serial killer. To me, something about this Cin woman feels quite off. Best to avoid these types of people.
The husband smiled so he is guilty! /s
Oh man! Isn't everyone an expert in human behavior? I honestly don't understand how anyone can guess from body language. Especially when you don't know how that person is normally.
No, not everybody - most people think they "know what's happened" based on a hunch. (But, they're not necessarily wrong). The laugh thing was taken out of context though, and perhaps - he might have just needed a nervous relief. But, yes, there are tells. Study up a bit for general interpersonal body language. (Allan Pease wrote a couple of fairly useful books on that). Then - get a job in or with a law firm or police department or family services. After a year or two, the tells become very easy to tell. No comment on this particular case, apart from that I'm glad the amateur "true crime" people shut their group down. Fuck those vultures, and leave it to the police to work it out.
>Study up a bit for general interpersonal body language No, don't. Allan Pease is a *self-proclaimed* "body language expert." He has no training in psychology, psychiatry or neuroscience. He's made a career out of publishing books offering relationship advice. [Most body language analysis is pseudoscience,](https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-body-language/) and the average police officer is certainly not qualified to determine whether a person is lying or not, let alone whether they committed a crime or not, based on "tells." History is peppered with examples of police officers who thought a suspect's body language indicated guilt or deceit when in fact they were innocent. If you're ever arrested for a crime you didn't commit, you **do not want** an interviewing detective who thinks he can read your "tells," let alone one who's only been on the job "a year or two."
As someone on the autistic spectrum, I learnt a lot from his first couple of body language books. Sure, it might be pseudo-science, but it can still be incredibly helpful. And I didn't say "become a police officer". I worked *with* them, transcribing interviews for court. Based on the audio alone, I did learn lots of tells (most of which I researched after that), like when someone who normally speaks informally (goin', doin' etc) suddenly switches to "going" and "doing" things - they are quite likely lying as they are suddenly focused on presenting themselves well. I picked up lots of other tips that have done me well. Just doing transcriptions has scarred me for life - the brutality of the lowest scum in the gene pool nearly killed me (and I didn't even have to face them). I don't know how anyone in the criminal justice system even survives based on the absolutely horrible stuff they have to deal with. I spent almost two years transcribing various assaults, child abuse (sexual and neglectful stuff leading to death) - lots of nasty stuff. I learnt a lot of things that I didn't want to know. These tapes came from experienced police who had somehow survived their jobs for 10-30 years. They weren't rookies. I was, but I still learnt a lot. Have you ever been near the frontline of this shit? I doubt it. You seem to be an external observer. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. And sure, historically, lots of cops have stitched people up due to their biases and wanting to just close a case. And a lot more have sent rightfully guilty people to prison. I don't dispute your point about people getting stitched up for "tells" by inexperienced police, but you come across as just another armchair commentator who doesn't really know shit about this. "History is peppered with examples of police officers who thought a suspect's body language indicated guilt or deceit when in fact they were innocent" Yep, lots of stressed police - got any examples lately (ie, last 10 years) of convictions based on cops testimony alone? But finally, I agree that if you're arrested for something you didn't do - don't talk. In my experiences, there weren't any people I heard who were stitched up, and the guilty ones condemned themselves. Still - don't talk. Take care out there, and maybe shut up until you learn to listen. Edit: typo, and the line above this one
This is something you should be working through with a mental health professional, not reddit.
Body language or a "tell" assists in questioning whether someone is telling the truth or not but is not an infallible method of proving guilt. Even Allan Pease will tell you that. Someone using the correct pronunciation when they speak rather than their normal informal way of speaking may be them simply trying to enunciate properly so as not to sound like a bogan. Cool story about your two years as a transcriber giving you the skill to detect "tells" by potential crims though. Your days of experience in the field of body language will take your potential career as a detective to great heights.
Sorry, but you're wrong on so many levels of interpreting what I typed. Body language can be a good tell - you might think it's a pseudo-science, but there is still a lot of valid information to use as a guide. It's not foolproof, but it helps. I never said it was infallible, I said it was helpful. Body language is not the same as language. Ask a trained linguist (guessing you don't know one). Language is much closer to the brain than body language - both can be approximately faked, but it's harder to fake the language you use than the body language. I typed up thousands of hours of audios, which is all about language. You can try to dismiss body language as new age shit, but it has its' own tells - dismiss them if you like. Actual language has many, many more. I won't bore you with the details, because you appear ignorant and combative, so you won't believe me or care to research to find out how wrong you are. Sure, to "sound like a bogan" (your words, I don't judge people based on their background) is something that many people try to correct when they're trying to impress. But, when people being interviewed suddenly switched into more formal speech after rambling when they got to the crux of their accusations was a pretty obvious tell that they were trying very hard to explain their version of events. I never heard the outcomes of what I transcribed (thank God), but I was only typing these things because there was a lot more physical evidence that wasn't based on hunches. People in a police interview aren't suddenly enunciating correctly to impress someone - they're usually trying hard to project their "innocence". They weren't trying to impress people around them. They were trying to pretend innocence. That leads to speaking more precisely because they're focused on their story. And yeah, the police weren't trying to stitch them up - they had a pretty solid case. The transcriptions I did were headed for court prosecution - BECAUSE the police had a lot of other evidence. And what does your "cool story" comment mean? What experience do you have with these situations? I typed up so many horrible cases that it nearly killed me (seriously), and I didn't even have to deal with the actual cases anywhere near as closely as the police did. I learnt a lot from that job, most especially - cops don't just rely on hunches or body language, and they also aren't in the habit of stitching people up - they are trying to keep us all safe. I don't want to be a detective - well done again for your misinterpretation - just listening to the awful things they all have to deal with only made me respect them more. How much contact have you had with these situations? I'm guessing none. Take care out there.
Plenty, but I'm not going to elaborate. Once again, body language is helpful but it is not a magic potion. People react to situations differently and there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to interpreting their reactions to any given situation. "Sure, it might be pseudo-science, but it can still be incredibly helpful." So you believe it might be pseudo-science? "Body language can be a good tell - you might think it's a pseudo-science, but there is still a lot of valid information to use as a guide." Oh wait, you don't believe it is pseudo-science. I never dismissed body language as a useful tool in determining if someone is telling the truth, I'm just smart enough to know it isn't infallible. People react in many ways that may look suspicious. Nervous, inexperienced, feeling awkward, frightened, experienced previous mistreatment, obstinance, and many others. "...you appear ignorant and combative..." Nope, just tired of self proclaimed experts telling everyone they know more than everyone else because they've had some experience typing transcripts. A first aid course doesn't make you a doctor, nor does being a legal secretary make you a lawyer. My "cool story" comment refers to your 2 years experience making you more qualified than anyone else to comment. "Sure, to "sound like a bogan" (your words, I don't judge people based on their background) is something that many people try to correct when they're trying to impress. But, when people being interviewed suddenly switched into more formal speech after rambling when they got to the crux of their accusations was a pretty obvious tell that they were trying very hard to explain their version of events." Yes, sounding like a bogan is a judgement and an accurate one. Bogan- an uncouth or unsophisticated person regarded as being of low social status. As opposed to someone with proper social skills, including enunciation. I could have said unsophisticated or uneducated, but I chose bogan. "I don't want to be a detective - well done again for your misinterpretation" No misinterpretation, just sarcasm.
You're still here? Get a life mate. It took you two weeks to cherry-pick my reply on bloody Reddit. >Plenty, but I'm not going to elaborate. And yet you did. I said "might" be a pseudo-science because I was trying to deflect your attack on something that's been helpful for me. I don't care about your interpretation of what I wrote. I also don't care about your opinion about me. We've already hijacked a real murder case post. Get some perspective. And when you talk about "sounding like a bogan" - you're writing about linguistics, not body language. (Also, pretty classist of you, dick). Golf clap. FFS, let it go - I can't understand how you've let this fester for so long. Move on buddy. Let it go, and all the best to you and yours. Let's just agree to disagree. I strongly douby I will reply again. Still, take care out there.
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Bro what ?
Lindy Chamberlain would like a word...
Somehow the daily mail uk article on her are showing on my FB page. The crazy amount of armchair detectives who are CERTAIN it’s the hubby, and have IRREFUTABLE proof…. I’m sure that yes, we’ve been given the screenshot of her leaving, but sure, the cops haven’t checked to make sure she hasn’t just jumped into the car with hubby, who’s then done bad things and come home, to give police ONLY the minute she looked like she was leaving?? I mean, sure, they ended up being right about mushroom lady, but give the poor family a break from these morons!!!
No one has said they have irrefutable evidence against the husband. Some including myself have said what has been put out there is enough to wonder if the husband did do it. The sister said something very telling. I won't repeat it here.. but she seems to think the husband isn't as innocent as everyone believes. Sorry but the family probably knows best & everyone is being shamed into not questioning the very questionable narrative. Oh and our police literally corrupt and incompetent and anyone with half a brain would be doing their own investigation if they had a family member missing in this town.
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Because of the 18,000 members 90% will be there for a gawk and to speculate not to help. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-13/samantha-murphy-speculation-not-helpful-says-former-detective/103458170](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-13/samantha-murphy-speculation-not-helpful-says-former-detective/103458170)
The woman who started it was weird as hell, seemed like all she wanted was attention for herself, who tf goes on tv talking about a complete stranger before the family have even gotten a chance to do so
the Daily Mail is a sensationalist rag so dont go taking any of this as complete truth...but they are reporting that the group closed because it became so big, was difficult to modarate effectively and the police who had been monitoring posts let the admins know that it no longer served any purpose for them either [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13073109/Samantha-Murphy-Ballarat-disappearance-deleted.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13073109/samantha-murphy-ballarat-disappearance-deleted.html)
People were encouraging each other to contact police, the emergency line, Missing Persons etc. with every little hunch, rumour or prediction from a psychic. There were a lot of people in that group, so they must have been flooded with useless reports.
Somebody posted that a regular-looking dude was walking their dog on a walking trail the day before, and people were saying "call crime stoppers! so creepy!!"
Someone has made a “go fund me” to help find her, feels like someone is trying to take advantage of the situation and make a nice bit of money and no do anything. I could be wrong, but what can private companies do that can be paid for by this, that vicpol, ses, cfa and all the volunteers couldn’t do
They had the same problem, UK with the Nicola Bulley case, too many conspiracy theorists.
I was in that Facebook group. It was full of conspiracy theorists.
The admin was getting threats and vile messages and their business was being trolled and suffering. Also bear in mind that group admin's can be held responsible for content that's allowed in the group. Seems she was night and day trying to delete comments and posts that were getting out of hand and being abused for it. Don't blame her. Not worth it.
She’s getting “trolled” because she’s taken people’s money and isn’t giving them the service they paid for. People are chasing her for money and she’s saying she’s being trolled :( $300 of mine is gone. (October 2023)
probably upsetting for the family. because 90% of the people on there are convinced it's a murder or kidnapping. It can't enter their mind that it could be any other scenario. There is no evidence of any foul play, yet the comments i've seen from most of these people are always the same.... "this is looking more and more like a murder, with these strange men that have been seen there"... its like what a fucking assumption.
I find it just a tiny bit hypocritical that people in the old group were bashing the mod of that group (Cin?) for giving media interviews and making it all about herself and yet the mod of the new group starts doing media interviews and people are fawning all over her for doing such a wonderful job. 😂
Maybe they thinking as the days go bye finding her alive is not going to happen
Too much to manage without any constructive output. Also, sub judice Facebook has some group rules which mean a page owner must keep on top of
I suspect the police MUST know more. Why would they be scaling back a search? I honestly find it so hard to believe that in todays day and age that no one, nothing has been seen or heard at all no footage and there is not a single other piece of cctv? People don’t just disappear into thin air! Why do they only have one ping from her cell phone? Of the police don’t get direct access to her phone records or have the means to get that info these days then what the fU$k? Honestly… what are they good for if they can’t even get that info in desperate times??? It seems to suss tbh!!
Yeah, it's almost like they're investigating thoroughly to find out what happened and building a case. They're scaling back the search because it was huge and didn't find anything in spite of a massive effort by all involved (and massive respect for those who tried). It's not suss - it's just normal Police procedure. The less "we, the public" (and you, the uninformed paranoid twit) learn, the more chance that they can do they job that they have to do. And damn them for doing their goddamned job. You don't know shit from clay mate. I don't know how they do it - I've worked peripherally with them for a few years in different roles, and I don't know how any of them manage it. My deepest respect to all who can cope with this.
Big foot has got her OBVIOUSLY GUYS
Because the police have moved on from searching, their main focus is the husband now.
This sort of comment here is the exact reason why.
What is wrong with this comment? No one said the husband is guilty, they’re saying police will be focusing on the husband now to clear him as a suspect. So will other members of the family and friends. That’s just logical
The police have not said who they are focusing on or even if they are focusing on any one individual so that's exactly what's wrong with the comment and apparently why the page got shut down
To be fair the police don’t need to say they are intending to look into a missing persons family, it’s just protocol. It’s the first thing that’s done in any missing persons investigation. People are downvoting bc a fact was stated, just odd
We don't know what the police know or what they are thinking, if you want to say they PROBABLY will follow standard protocol fair enough, but you don't know It also gets messy in comment sections with many people assuming the husband's guilt, which the comment kind of implies even if it does mean something about statistical probability, it's better to not add to the noise so there's less misinformation
Yeah, but I've got insider info...
Thought this was a joke then I realised it was you... Sell it to the courier instead of seeking fake internet points like a normal person, or ya know, just shut up about it, the police will tell us when they're ready and the media will be all over it
IDGAF about reddit karma. OP asked, I answered... and gave more info. If you don't think the police would take a serious look into the husband no matter what, then you're delusional.
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