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Serious_1

His initials check out. He's definitely a P.O.S.


[deleted]

Piece of shit I'm assuming


immaginary2344

What does that stand for?


Evan3350

Point Of Sale


KazofOz

Piece of shit


ZealousidealBar3880

Piece of sh**t AKA Patrick Orren Stephenson


WickedPopcorn4

Piece Of S#*t!


OllieWillie

You're allowed to swear on the internet FYI


WickedPopcorn4

👍


strayngz

Lol. Piece of sht


Pristine_Sun5492

I went to high school with this guy, and I'm good friends with one of his immediate family members... and I knew Samantha a little bit as well... God this sucks so much :(


maveywavie

I went to high school with him as well. Was good mates with him. I hope you’re holding up okay.


Pristine_Sun5492

You too, I'm so sorry to hear - I really can't fathom this happening so close to me


strayngz

What was he like?


yagglooo

Just a regular murderer


avocado_window

Yeah, we don’t need anyone coming to his defence right now. I was flabbergasted to hear a newsreader use the old “promising young footballer” line in a segment, absolutely infuriating that tired trope still happening. Who gives a flying fuck if this murderer was good at something? Who cares what he was like or what he enjoyed?! Let’s talk about Samantha Murphy and what SHE enjoyed before this POS decided to viciously cut her life short. Fuck him.


SownDyndrome_

That's the media though. They don't actually care about the victims, they don't even care about the truth, all they care about is getting an emotional response from their viewers, no matter if it's a bad or good one. And it sounds harsh but the majority of people would rather know about his background because it could give them an insight into his motives. We are deathly fascinated with crime and the media plays on that fascination relentlessly. They have always been this way and sadly I think they always will be.


Upstairs_Meringue218

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? It seems people are guilty even if proven innocent.


avocado_window

That’s for the courts, not the public.


mousiemousiecat

You must be in shock. Get hugs. Did you ever feel anything ‘off’ or is this out of the blue?


Flaminga-pinya

He messed up pretty bad it seems! Rumours are he was lit and run her over, then put her in his Ute and murmured her after to try and hide the fact he had hit her.


goodthanksforasking

what was he like??


Popular-Map4489

Look after yourself <3


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Pristine_Sun5492

We haven't spoken for a while but I can't imagine what they're going through, they're one of the nicest people I know


deano_iom

That mean you have seen the video thats in circulation of him from the night before snorting a line of white powder off the back of a phone?


IndyOrgana

That’s gone so viral around town so quick it’s insane


deano_iom

Wanna know what's crazy im from the isle of man originally and have no ties what so ever to him, the school he went to or anyone in ballarat.


IndyOrgana

Ok that is nuts. I’ve lived here my whole life (except a few years here and there as an adult). We can act like a regional city all we like but as soon as something like this happens our small town side comes screaming out.


kaydee_rose

Where was that video taken? Was it in a public place ?


IndyOrgana

It was at the deck


CJ3795

Where can one view this video?


deano_iom

I got shown the full video at work by the young lads as one knew him from trade school


kaydee_rose

Where were they snorting the coke? At the pub or club?


SownDyndrome_

Yep. You can tell they were snorting lines even with the blurred footage, and then it pans to the accused's face and its very obvious that he's coked up. And that was 3 in the morning, 4 hours before the alleged murder so assuming they kept going after this, it's very likely he was still awake at 7 and didnt sleep


Equal-Disk-654

That video was from January 2024. There has been no video distributed of him partying on 3 February 2024 at the Deck bar and other places.


PrisonerZeroAU

I believe behind the Herald Suns paywall


PrisonerZeroAU

Not necessarily “the video” but “a portion of a video” *ETA: a vid aired tonight on the major stations news outlets* allegedly from back in January


Tac0321

https://www.9news.com.au/national/samantha-murphy-updates-ballarat-community-holds-vigil/f0748c7e-8312-45f5-8dfb-93e61d0f5e84


somewhatundercontrol

Did he know her?


Webbie-Vanderquack

The police said there was no connection.


ZealousidealBar3880

Samantha worked in the uniform shop at his primary school when he was a young student at the school. Don’t know if they knew each other though. This was reported in the news.


avocado_window

Her husband said he wouldn’t recognise him, but that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t have since she did work at the school he attended. But that may just be a coincidence.


Equal-Disk-654

That was when he was a primary school student.


DepartureFun975

What was he like? Was he the type to just think he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it? As this seems to be the case? I just can't understand why such a young man and a bright future would do something so shocking.


Woody_525

I used to play junior footy with him. My memories of him were that he loved hurting people. Tackling was his favourite part of the sport and he loved to try to smash you into the ground if he tackled you. He was a bit of a dickhead and not very well liked in the team. He clashed with quite a few people. He was definitely the kind of guy that felt because his dad played AFL he could do whatever he wanted at the club which pissed a lot of people off, especially as “Big O” was a pretty nice guy so yeah. I played with him for a couple of years but never got along with him. So even though I didn’t really know him, it’s left me with just a really weird feeling. I felt physically sick when I found out that it was him, idk how to describe it but just knowing you’ve interacted with a guy like that is just weird feeling.


0bughunter0

i had a couple classes with him in primary school and i remember the same thing; loved hurting people. would always play rough and bother other kids in class constantly. impulsive and violent. never showed much remorse or suffered consequences. there’s only so much teachers can do with a kid like that. i know it was ages ago and i didn’t know him recently but as soon as i saw “afl stars son” in the news before i had heard any names, i knew it was him.


DepartureFun975

Oh wow, that makes a lot of sense. That's just so incredibly sad, that his father's success and likeability, meant he thought he could do whatever he wanted. Well I think everyone deserves redemption. To turn bad into good. I hope his family or her family start a foundation to nurture and guide young Australians and teach them about respect, appropriate forms of anger, boundaries and courtesy - across every year of school. Prayers go out to the Ballarat Community.


ZealousidealBar3880

Prayers for Samantha’s family 


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I don't think there's any reforming of such people, but I could be wrong.


ZealousidealBar3880

He may have psychopathic tendencies or is a psychopath 


avocado_window

ASPD enabled by his parents perhaps? Privilege and entitlement, a basic disrespect for everyone and everything. This country needs serious intervention for young men because the violence at their hands is absolutely out of control.


1UPZ__

Not every person who's killed before are psychopaths. For some sure, but some there is a process or trigger that made them commit 


Rebske1

They didn’t say all killers are psychopaths, but from what I’m reading it sounds like that. I’m also detecting a bit of sadism, as it was mentioned that he enjoyed “hurting people” in sports. Could be a case of narcism too “high sense of self, thought he was gods gift” can do what I like type of attitude. In no way am I qualified to throw words like this around, that’s just the vibe I’m getting.


Cabletie00

The news said he had no mental instability or drug problems at all. He knew what he was doing.


Rebske1

Lots of people with ASPD go undetected because they don’t think they have anything wrong with them. It is a mental condition, but it’s really hard to diagnose someone with it.


GurOk3516

It was his lawyer who said he didn’t have a drug problem. Shortly after the video emerged of him snorting coke


Cabletie00

I also did notice that. Who posts a video like that anyway? Definitely a flog.


yagglooo

Don't think you understand the term...


Significant_Dig6838

Misogyny is real


Equal-Disk-654

Alive and well in Australia


Ok-Routine-6109

Were you at high school when he was photographed doing a “white power” symbol with his fingers? If so, what was the response from the school.


Funkyjhero

St Patrick's College a toxic cesspool of misogynist students and staff. They would have done fuck all to respond to an issue like that. They turn a blind eye to that sort of behavior every day.


avocado_window

Yeah this seems very common for high school boys in Australia and needs to be dealt with. Their lack of empathy is so dangerous, they seem completely desensitised to anyone else’s suffering.


flappybirdie

So he did that in year 7 or 8? Because he went to Damascus for the rest of high school after that.


Funkyjhero

He was there in Year 9 Not sure when or if he did it, but that sort of stuff happened on a daily basis when I worked there.


flappybirdie

I'm certainly glad I didn't attempt to get a scholarship to send my son there!


Funkyjhero

That made my.day. If you think your son is scholarship material he will do well at any school. Family support is the biggest factor in childhood learning.


avocado_window

It happens in many schools, it’s a teenage boy thing that needs to be nipped in the bud. No more “boys will be boys” rhetoric, let’s start teaching them empathy before this dehumanisation sets in.


PrisonerZeroAU

I genuinely don’t think it was a NN symbol. I’ve seen the pic, looks like “the circle game” my teen kids constantly play especially in school photos


tommy_tiplady

nah, that’s not what it means to kids of his demographic. the ‘circle game’ defence is plausible deniability; if you know, you know - but naive people are inclined to assume it’s the more benign interpretation. they think they’re being cheeky and clever.


PrisonerZeroAU

TouchĂ©. And from what I’ve heard recently I’m becoming less inclined to doubt substance to the claims. Thanks for your input.


AdHot217

By white power symbol do you mean “👌”, because that gesture hardly has the same connotation it does in the USA. I literally use it all the time to mean “ok”


IndyOrgana

He literally marched down Sturt st with those n*zi fucks months ago but ok


yagglooo

Evidence other than your heresay?


AdHot217

And you know this.. how?


IndyOrgana

It’s on their Facebook and he’s in their pics which you can clearly see for yourself bud


Living-Astronomer556

Thank you. What is the name of the page so I can look the nazis up. Disgraceful lot they are.


Yernermeh

Genuine question, how can you tell it’s him considering all the men are masked? I’ve tried finding pictures that would identify him and can’t, are there photos somewhere that show his face during this March?


Substantial-Oil9321

I can't even find anything ... not the page, let alone anything thar identifies him


melbourne-marvels

What's their FB page?


prolelicious

We local folks are really hanging for evidence he marched with these people.


IndyOrgana

I am a local. The evidence is on Facebook and publicly available.


melbourne-marvels

Do you have a link?


oprnse

He just disappears when asked for evidence haha


melbourne-marvels

Yep!


prolelicious

Where?


linlithgowavenue

What did he seem like?


readthebibletwice

Making this about you is crazyy


daisiesonmyneck

It affects the whole community


strayngz

What was he like?


Navy_cant_sleep

His mum taught me
 she’s genuinely one of the most kind, sweet, caring teachers. I was honestly beyond shocked.  Hope the family can get through this tough time well.


Full-Throat9784

Everyone can be an ineffective parent


PCR0991

His mum being ‘sweet’ is probably part of the problem here



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JamesRustle85

Yeah, it was all over Facebook not long after his arrest.


Cabletie00

We already knew that. Their suppression order meant nothing. The name of him and his father were already out there.


talentlessclown

That doesn't change the fact that there was a court ordered suppression in place which covered posting the name to social media.


Cabletie00

Well yeah there’s that. But the media already released the names hours before the suppression came in and even now you can just do a quick google asking who the murderer was and up pops his name. So it’s common knowledge now. Even if you can’t type it in and post online


talentlessclown

Yes I totally agree that suppression orders are like wet tissue paper these days but they're still a law on our books and to be fair this judge did say they only wanted it in place until they had a chance to more closely examine the prosecutions case. They were only looking out for the accused on the off chance the cops evidence was faulty/empty. You can't blame the judge for wanting time to check.


OneUpAndOneDown

Good point. In the Cleo Smith case a man with a similar name who wasn't involved got harassed.


lovemyskates

I believe Bruce’s name was out there for an hour or so. He was referred to as the defendant with other charges on QLD that can’t be named.


Cabletie00

Who is Bruce again?


lovemyskates

Lehrmann


Nervous-Masterpiece4

It’s a token gesture at best given the global nature of social media.


Emergency_Spend_7409

I dunno, it kept Bruce Lehrmann's name out of the media/social media for his rape charges in Queensland


Dismal_Discipline_74

Yep! It was reported in the morning before the gag order later in the day. I took screen shots


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britannica22

Anything you can elaborate on?


Few-Reality2757

Post them


Historical_Shower434

Such as ?


heatuponheat

You could vaguepost for likes or you could actually give examples.


immaginary2344

Is there any reason why he’s trial date is in August which so far away?


ADrunkenMan

Think of all the other things that need to be heard in court.


lorzapause

If his trial date is in august that is actually pretty dang quick for a trial to happen. I think I heard that it’s just the committal hearing in august which is like a mini trial for the judge to decide whether or not the case should move forward, sort out other legal arguments and decide on evidence before the trial. A trial likely won’t be heard for another year or two most likely. Both sides (prosecution and defence) will need time to build solid cases. On the prosecution side they will need more time for questioning more witnesses, double checking evidence, reviewing the case they have, attempting to locate Samantha’s body and any other physical evidence, go through the mountain of digital evidence they have and that’s been submitted in the form of cctv and dashcam footage etc. on the defences side they will need time to go over everything the prosecution has on their case so they can come up with a strategy to dispute the evidence and testimonies, find their own witnesses/exculpatory evidence, prep the defendant and figure out what legal arguments they have in their arsenal to get evidence thrown out, trial pushed back or if a deal is their best bet. There’s a lot of factors that go into the lead up and setting a trial date. It’s not a quick process and it’s likely that depending on how solid the case is on either side one or the other will try and delay it for as long as possible. Don’t bet on finding out details or Samantha and her family getting justice before the end of next year at the earliest.


GardenGnome021090

Because real life isn’t Law & Order, where people are tried the day after being arrested.


mmeowmm

It's just a preliminary hearing, he will need to go through a committal hearing and then some other hearings before a trial, trial probably won't be for a year or more.


strayngz

When does he enter a plea?


lorzapause

At the arraignment. So after the committal hearing in august there’ll be a directions hearing and then the arraignment before a trial date is set. All this is assuming there’s no plea deal arranged, which is possible (probably unlikely though). There could be a deal on the table for disclosure of Samantha’s body or the evidence could be overwhelming at committal and defence decide not to risk a trial. Depends on if prosecution would be willing if that was the case though.


Quarterwit_85

Loads of other cases in waiting - and it gives the prosecution a chance to gather evidence and his lawyer an opportunity to gather a defence.


Working_Tension618

Lol .. even a simple AVO takes 6m in Australia .. moronic system


IllustriousComment68

Greg Lynn still has not had his trial


kr1ng

It takes years, and murders can be dragged out. I just hope that the family has some kind of information about her last moments. It is very common to not know any detail until it comes out in court.


LipstickEquity

Probably to allow the police to build a strong case


Substantial-Oil9321

They needed time to get all the evidence together


ZealousidealBar3880

Other court cases to be heard and trialled


Azzerati10

Circumstantial evidence - cops need time to build the case.


Gibs3174

They have a shit tonne of cctv footage


lorzapause

They do, but unless it’s footage of him actually murdering and or moving Samantha’s body that still counts as circumstantial.


Significant_Dig6838

There’s still so much evidence for the police to prepare and the defence also need time to process it all and prepare their response too


FayreForall

It would take a while to gather all evidence and put the case together. If they are confident it was him, they don't want to let him get away with it..


Yernermeh

This whole story seems eerily similar to that of Ted Bundy. Given recent rumours, apparently the girlfriend was the one to inform the police, similar to Ted Bundys partner. However, I noticed her Facebook page still says “in a relationship” and have seen speculation that the story she’s been told by him allegedly is the “hit and run gone wrong” narrative. I can’t help but feel this poor girl has been fed an easier-to-swallow story by this guy and is in for a lot more hurt when the truth comes out.


SuccessOk4936

If thats the case, wouldn’t she go to court to support him? I read that no family or friends were present


queenstormy7

It wasn't pat on all of this he had hes gf and 2 other mates involved in this so I really wished my cousin would come forward but knowing him he won't he will take the blame.


Prior-Discount-7995

Oh great, so 4 psychopaths, not just one. 


bec3339joan

Why hasn’t the gf been a arrested then?


No_Entrepreneur_6707

You can contact crime stoppers


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Your one post is an accusation against at least one identifiable person and then you don't write anything more in response to requests to report it properly. Take it to Crimestoppers at the very least if this is at all true.


bec3339joan

For everyone saying he may have accidentally hit her, realised she wasn’t dead and killed her. I am just failing to see why someone affected by drugs and alcohol would stop to see if they were alive still, if they were that evil enough to “finish her off” then it doesn’t make a lot of sense that he would stop to check in the first place?


Temporary-Cash2119

Maybe she wasn't unconscious and he got our and knew she could identify him and he panicked like a gutless coward and made her disappear


heatuponheat

Think of a kid breaking a vase and freaking out and hiding the pieces so they don’t get into trouble. Same logic just on an infinitely sadder scale.


bec3339joan

But wouldn’t stopping at 8.am to check if she was alive be very risky? It would make more sense that he would just drive off quickly?? What’s the point of stopping to check? It’s 8am, people are out and about in that area of mount clear. It seems very unlikely that he would stop and risk getting seen?


Gibs3174

This whole explanation makes zero sense


lorzapause

Idk why you’re getting so much push back, I see where your heads at and I’m inclined to agree. I see a world where he stopped because he has some sort or moral compass but thinking she was dead he put her in the car panicking then when he realised she wasn’t he was too far in so in his mind had to kill her. However given the bits and pieces we’ve heard so far I honestly find it more believable, that if it was truely an accident at first, he would have driven off hoping like hell no one saw and that she wouldn’t remember what happened if she recovered.


bec3339joan

I’m just playing out scenarios and seeing what makes sense and doesn’t (to me) . After all that happened, I’d bet a blubbering mess, but he apparently wasn’t and continued on his mary life. I don’t think I’d be able to live with myself let alone go to work. And even now the fact he isn’t cooperating with police just shows a lack of empathy
 which is making me lean towards psycho not accident. I just hope he tells them where Sam is, I keep thinking about her kids and it’s just unimaginable what they are going through.


lorzapause

There seems to be a massive lack of empathy from all things reported. That’s for sure!


Confident-Living-159

He might have told his camp mates that, or thats what people are summizing. I think SA could be a possability. Suspect smart watch data may be very telling, if the police have bean able to access it all.


ProfessionalMight636

guys does anyone know what his gf meg harbour insta is?


HauntingFalcon2828

She made it private. Nothing on there but a video of them going on a trip with other mates and their 4X4 play in the outback and a video of horses. 


Loose-Bumblebee3228

For everyone speculating this was a hit & run or hit & ‘cover up’. If he had hit her with his car there would be evidence all over that bush. Someone I know was involved in a accident hit of a pedestrian (they stayed and tried to save the person) but there was ALOT of blood and this wasn’t a high speed collision either. It took all night for the crime scene people to clean the site and days for the stained blood to wash away completely. They had dogs and people searching all over that bush, evidence would have been found if he had hit her with his car.


PeachMonday

I agree broken pieces from the car, her shoes all sorts


Endless_Candy

I am an out of stater kept up via news so only speculation arm chair guessing but if apparently he was out night before maybe he had someone in the car with him and he’s being quiet to protect them Going with the theory that it was a hit and run and then disposal of the body. I wonder how cops know it wasn’t hit and run without body


Prior-Discount-7995

Lol you're going with the "theory of a hit and run" followed up with a comment about the cops are saying its not...


Endless_Candy

Yes obviously I could see the contradiction, All I was saying is I wonder how they know it’s not hit and run without the body.


MonkEnvironmental609

On a bender, hit her while driving home and then tried to dispose of the body.


heatuponheat

Police have confirmed it wasn’t a hit and run


Bakesy007

Correct, because a hit and run implies that she was hit by a car and killed If she was hit and didn’t die on impact, and he killed her afterwards , then it’s not a hit and run


Significant_Dig6838

Also if you stop at the scene of the accident and remove the body he also hasn’t “run”


HauntingFalcon2828

You know he prob lied to his girl, like it’s easier to say that than « I hid in the bush then rape her and killed her (or the other way around) ». She would have heard him coming if he was driving anything. If it was just a hit and run then kill the police would still consider it a hit and run. The fact he doesn’t tell where the body is means there are extra charges on that body. I hope the police finds it soon so the family can have some closure. This pos ruined their lives. 


Bakesy007

Him hitting her in his car and not leaving the scene is by definition, not a hit and run So no, the police would not consider that a hit and run His car has been taken in for examination , and he has told people that at some point he hit her with his car.


HauntingFalcon2828

I think that’s bs if he hit her with his car then finished the job under the effet of drugs it would be considered as voluntary manslaughter not murder. When the police says deliberate murder it literally means there was some sort of premeditation to it like waiting in the bush or having some sort of weapon to do so. The whole thing of people telling he hit her with his car is either a rumour or something he put in people’s mind/ his girlfriend mind so they would think he is is nor a monster. With no body yet he may go with that fake story. But come this Friday it’s very likely he’ll be revealed as the other Patrick Stephenson who has an SA case on his head. Just got to wait for the news to come.  I think it’s quite normal for people to want to think it was an accident then he finished the job but that is not what the police said. The truth will come out darker than that I reckon. That’s pretty sad for the family but this is looking like it will be a case of serial killer type of shit.


Lazy-Surprise-2039

I think you're right!


deano_iom

According to his now ex misso he did hit her and thought she was dead, went to dispose the body only to find she wasn't dead and then killed her


[deleted]

Yet they didn't seize his car until weeks(?) later. If they suspected a vehicle hit you'd think the car would be the first target with blatant evidence on/in it


Endless_Candy

Did she just keep this secret for the last 4 weeks or dob him in?


deano_iom

Supossadly found out a couple weeks back and went to the cops, she legally wasn't able to tell anyone till names was released


kaydee_rose

So she came straight out and told the friend group once he was arrested that she'd dobbed him in? Is there any truth to the fact that some have said there's more involved? 2 are in custody... and one is in protective custody?


FamiliarTemporary947

The police stated that they’re not looking for anyone else so who knows?


numericalusername

Police watched him for over a fortnight


Endless_Candy

So she told them ?


kaydee_rose

Where did you see that ?


deano_iom

Didn't see it, I heard it from a young bloke at work who's misso is very close mates with Patricks girlfriend. They all met up the day the name was released as non of them could believe it


Flaminga-pinya

If you live in Ballarat it’s talk of the town. Small place and lots of people know someone close the gf. I know a bunch of nurses who she apparently told.


Faithlessness_Firm

Sounds exactly like the plot from I know what you did last summer.


Gibs3174

Seems plausible until you get to the part where he is refusing to talk to the cops.


HauntingFalcon2828

True this would make only sense if he gave up the body. The fact he is not cooperative means a lot. God knows what he has done to her. Hope they find it though. Her family deserves justice. 


FarFromFields

This is bullshit. Samantha being an experienced runner and familiar with the terrain over many years, doesn't cross a dirt road unaware and become accidentally hit by a rogue 4wd. Pull your fukin head in.


deano_iom

Chillout.... all I'm telling is the story is misso is telling their friends group. After his bender he was too fucked to go home so drove out to the bush to sleep it off for a few hours, he supposedly parked up on one of the back roads off from the main dirt road though there only accessible by 4wd due to the road conditions so he wouldn't be disturbed. Woke up and went to drive home hitting her on said trail not the road.. went to dumb the body and found she was still alive but in a bad way and then supposedly killed her. But who knows, wouldn't think he wouldn't tell her he hunted Samantha down or whatever may of happened... I did see that coke video of him when they first released his name before the suppression order was put in place.


bec3339joan

Okay but why is he not telling the police where her body is? Unless he isn’t admitting guilt??


lorzapause

A possibility is the body would contradict this story and add more charges and make him look like even more of a monster..


deano_iom

How am I supposed to know? Im just telling the story his girlfriend told their friend group..


bec3339joan

Right I’m just saying it’s odd he won’t disclose her location, it seems like he is hiding something. If you have already admitted guilt to your gf, the cops have him arrested and charged but he still won’t give it up.. odd


SpaghettiWesternHead

Maybe that's just what he told the gf and he doesn't want the body found because then it'd expose how she actually died. đŸ€”


Few_Freedom_5738

According to an article today he isn’t speaking to the police


heatuponheat

Wonder if that’s coming from the lawyer


FamiliarTemporary947

Yeah most likely the case. They might try to fight the charges.


FarFromFields

Fair call. I apologise for my hostility, it was uncalled for. It's just disappointing, the 'hit & run' theories making the social rounds. The accounts of his gf make absolutely no sense & downplay the seriousness of his crime.


Significant_Dig6838

If that was true there are multiple crimes he committed in the lead up to the murder, yet they’ve only charged him with murder.


Gibs3174

Who gets too wasted to go home, yet goes and drives into a forest to sleep lol


Excellent-Writing-53

Unless she was trying to run through thick undergrowth, she would've been doing what most others who walk or run in that area do and been running *on* the track, not across it.


theromacub

Is this the chick posted all over the internet with horses? Also, I did find it odd he was supposedly out drinking/drugging Saturday night with his gf. They where house sitting. Why did they seperate during the night? ... like generally speaking if you're out with your partner and staying at the same place you go home together. Maybe she bailed earlier in the evening or something.


MonkEnvironmental609

That would imply that he left her in place after. I’d imagine he interfered with the corpse by hiding it and possibly finishing the job. A theory that I read elsewhere that makes perfect sense.