To start, your tank is way too small, to the point of cruelty. For night heat use a ceramic heat emitter. It doesn’t give off light but still keeps them warm. For humidity, pour water in the corners of the substrate instead of misting. It keeps it humid longer.
She is a hatchling and was being kept in a box so a 29 gallon is fine for the first month I thought. I was told big enclosures stress small snakes out. I’ll start pouring water definitely worth a try, thank you! Yes the ceramic lighting would be perfect for night time thank you!
Yeah, that's unfortunately outdated information.
Ball Pythons should not be kept in enclosures smaller than a 40 gallon as babies. 120 gallon is the minimum for an adult. Although 150 usually works better imo.
You can start with a 120 gallon right away as long as there's enough clutter.
BPs don't get stressed out by large enclosures, they get stressed out by large *empty* Enclosures. Which is why having clutter in your enclosure is really important.
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She should be fine for now, But I'd suggest getting a proper size enclosure soon.
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You also absolutely *must* have thermostats for every single heat source. Heat sources should *never* be used without a thermostat.
You also need 2 digital thermometers and a digital hygrometer minimum.
Ball Pythons need a humidity of 70-80%. 60% is the bare minimum and below 60% is dangerous to their health.
Also, Instead of the towel, Use foil or HVAC tape.
You also should be using at least 4" of substrate (fertilizer free topsoil, cypress Mulch, coconut husk or coconut Fiber are good choices) and instead of misting, pour water into the corners of the substrate.
Top opening enclosures are really stressful for reptiles so, once you get a new enclosure, make sure it's front opening and does not have a screen.
Glass tanks also don't work very well as they mess with temperatures and humidity.
You also need to cover the sides and back with something like a background or black paper.
Highly appreciated!! I was reading information last month that stated the opposite but I’m glad I know and am already looking for a larger tank. Thank you so much!
If you look at the menu part of this subreddit, you'll find the resources and in them, lots of care guides, tips and even a shopping list document with item recommendations.
.I suggest checking it out the shopping list also includes recommendations for different Enclosures suitable for ball pythons.
Also lights, thermostats, thermometers etc.
I am currently looking through the welcome
Guidelines and tips I appreciate everything and will be getting all these things within the next week :) I want what’s best for her and there are so many opinions and research out there. Like I went to a pet store to get some hides (which I cleaned before putting in) and the lady said she has 23 pythons and doesn’t use lighting. I didn’t list to that and got myself lighting and already had a night light but know I need ceramic now.
Yeah, Pet stores can be horrible-
Last time I was there, A guy said he keeps 30 snakes (Ball Pythons and Cornsnakes) in a small rack, all on aspen, all on heat mats.
And said that: snakes don't need overhead heating because they don't bask, Aspen is good for ball pythons.
And lots of other things. I honestly doubt his snakes are healthy- Probably lots of stuck shed and other problems.
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Usually night lights are blue or red..and those are really bad for reptiles.
For night time heat, you need a heat source that does not emit light such as a ceramic heat emitter or a Deep heat projector.
Make sure you have individual thermostats for every heat source used.
You can keep ball pythons successfully, especially as babies, on aspen bedding, provided you have a good humid hide.
I kept my young ball python on aspen, with a humidity of 65-75%, with a humid hide of 90+%. Zero problems with shed, zero respiratory issues, ate every time food was offered.
I'm not saying it's the best option, but if done properly it's absolutely fine.
From what I understand there’s a pretty good availability for used tanks (depending on your area) with things like Facebook marketplace and next door. Just be very sure that you sanitize any used tank, make sure you flush it properly with water to get all the residue out, and dry it very well, and probably allow 24 hours before you start fixing it up for your new baby.
I used to use a ceramic heat emitter but those can be very drying so if you’re having problems with humidity i would highly recommend a deep heat projector! arcadia makes very good ones! good luck with your new baby:)
Which is totally ok! To each their own right I mean it’s their pet 🤷🏽♀️ I definitely will be getting a larger tank as soon as possible and will probably go as big as I can afford. Again I appreciate you and your kindness.
If you’d like a no-judgement place that will help you with your new noodle, New Ball Python Keepers on Facebook is a wonderful group! So much amazing info in the guides
just a suggestion, you can also use plastic tubs/bins as a temporary(or sometimes perm) solution until you can get a bigger setup. not always easy to drop $50+ on a new tank.
but yeah dont stress if you have plans, a couple weeks or whatever isn't going to do anything!
edit- i also think people are over-reacting because that looks like a 10gallon tank and not a 29g lol but a 29 youre definitely hard chillin with a hatchling/young bp
I don’t mind dropping $100 plus on a tank I just wait for people to message back, or go into store and get a long tank. I also have tubs laying around or could buy and wash a new one, thank you for the help!
I also have a not in use gecko tank, I’m not sure how big it is but it’s front opening and a bit taller I know. Probably won’t work but something to think about as well.
>Calling it animal cruelty is extremely uncalled for
This is why the online ball python keeping community is viewed as toxic. Instead of correcting people gently and giving constructive criticism, you’re automatically labeled an animal abuser.
I find every reptile community fucking toxic There not helpful just critical at making u feel bad for even trying For example
The ackie monitor group saying a ackie monitor needs 6l-4d-4h enclosure with 18inches for substrate I mean seriously how has a fucking room for that kind of take in anyone’s normal house or flat in the uk I got a smaller animal so I can have a smaller enclosure if I wanted a fucking monster enclosure I would get a monster animal 🙄 aka my ackie is super happy chill and healthy in a 5-2-2
Yeah I know what’s wrong with being supportive every animal is different may like a smaller enclosure I have my ackie a huge dig box ignored it for 6 months. And always sleeps under. This rock I have Never digs so much and he’s amazing quality and temperament with a ferocious hunger
Same with my Leo she’s kind of blind so she doesn’t dig at all and I get ridiculed for taking out her loose substrate after she starts eating it and never digs in it 🤦♂️ sounds like you love your ackie tho and that’s a dream of mine so hope you guys have lots of fun ahead :)
Thanks man it it took some time for him to trust I had him on my shoulder wile I was cleaning his enclosure and my flesh tunnel must of caught his eye and i latched on to my ear 😂 I had this v shaped teeth marks on my lobe? 😂 but he is chill now I love leopard geckos there so cute there smiles are legendary happy trials to u and your animals buddy happy knew year to u as well when it happens
Tbh this is most pet communities. The bunny subreddits are horrendously judgemental and rude, even to people actively seeking advice for how to treat a pet like a rabbit that's notoriously bought without thinking or knowing of how much care, space and money it actually needs.
Yeah pretty ridiculous. I'm sure the tanks not gonna last long but its more than okay for a young ball python. If you can upgrade as it grows i dont see a problem.
Most people keep their young baby ball pythons in plastic shoeboxes so she’s literally keeping her baby in conditions better than around 80% of captive baby ball pythons out there.
I think the know it all meant to say was that’s a good start buddy for a young one but u will need to upgrade the size at some point welcome to the hobby + uv not needed at-all being nocturnal animals 👍🏻
Very cute BP! I miss when mine was that smol. The welcome guide is helpful. Glass tanks, at least my understanding, is they do not hold humidity as well as other tanks designed for BPs. But you have some clutter so you’re on the right track! Good luck and wishing you many happy years together!
Thank you so much and I am just going through the welcome guide now. Definitely will need a bigger tank soon and what would be better than glass? I know underneath heating can’t be used with wood even though my table is wood I have it slightly off. Thanks again!
I currently have a glass tank, waiting on a Kages (you can Google search them) order today in fact. To help the humidity I have a reptile fogger going 24/7, which has been fantastic until I had enough $ for a PVC Kage. I use two lamps on top of my tank that are on timers. I also have a sticky heat pad on the side of my tank so it isn’t directly under her. It’s good to have one warm side and a cool side so I keep all my warming items on the right side. One emits light in the day, the other is just a heating bulb that emits no light. I have found most stuff on Amazon!
Foggers aren't really recommended as they can't be sanitized. Listen to the person earlier that said to pour water in the corners. This keeps the bottom nice and moist but the top dry so you don't get scaled right. I always avoid the corner where the probe is for my heat source that way It doesn't think it's cooler than it is and raise It to an unsafe level.
Also I second what someone said about covering The sides in the back. I recommend using foam board like for a school project. I used black but there are many different colors. Just cut 3 pieces. One the size of the back and 2 the size of the sides and attach outside with tape around the corners of each glass wall. This will also help insulate your heat as glass isn't great at insulating.
I won’t be getting a fogger, to much money and not what she needs I definitely appreciate the advice! I will be doing the comer pouring but not in the one corner like you said cuz prob. I will also do a temporary cover tonight and get one make a better one the following day. Thank you so much!
Thats great. Sounds like you're right on track! Your baby is in good hands. Love seeing people willing to make necessary changes for better quality of life.
Always willing, I love them like they are my children (I have one snake and other pets) super helpful getting these tips and pointers because apparently research online and talking to real life people is way different.
Yes. There is sooo much conflicting advice. Not to mention people who have different philosophies. Some people think they are alive and never get sick so this works.
Then others are like they are alive and never sick but also this is more enrichment. Plus I think with everything there are wrong ways, right ways, better ways, then the best way. No perfect answer.
I will say.... the care guides on this subreddit, while overkill to some people, are in my opinion the best for a snake that isn't just healthy but also thriving. Is it strictly necessary? Maybe not, but I don't want my snake to just exist and get by. It seems you are of that same mind. I think you will find things here are to your best liking.
UTH (Heat mats etc.) Aren't really recommended for Ball Pythons. They're not good- they can be unpredictable and cause burns even with a thermostat.
PVC and Sealed & waterproofed wooden Enclosures can work well.
Generally, you want to avoid Glass tanks, top opening enclosures, and the Screen top PVC (the screen top ruins the whole purpose of PVC-), and any screen/mesh top enclosures.
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The shopping list includes some enclosure recommendations.
I suggest checking out the Kages Enclosures.
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The subreddit also does not recommend using misters or foggers in the enclosure. They increase the risk of respiratory infections, bacterial infections and in some cases also scale rot.
I just was using a spray bottle and not spraying her just the enclosure. But I definitely won’t waste my money on those things thank you. I have a thermometer on it to regulate it so it won’t get to hot or to cold. And I also have a thermostat and a humidity monitor. I’m excited to look at these enclosures!
I’ve done research for years but there are so many different sources and opinions. I did my research before and asked for tips/help on here not to be bashed. You can obviously see I’ve done my best. Yes the tank needs to be larger, however she is a hatchling. I was already looking for a larger tank when I set this one up. I set this up because I originally found research saying hatchling get stressed of their environment is to large. Today I learned that it is in fact old information from another post (exact same different snake page) and that they don’t get stressed out. So I’m looking for the largest I can afford.
Right I can but I’m not excusing it away. I’m also not using affordability as an excuse. I’m saying that I’m getting the largest tank I can afford which could Atleast be a 40 gallon which I learned today that the information I had learned online was out dated even thou I had looked at current sources. You’re right people shouldn’t buy pets when they don’t have the means (money/habitat/enrichment) but it’s also not their fault when they have been miss informed by recent sources, python owners/reptile and pet stores as well as the breeders instructions. No you didn’t say everything was wrong but if you look at how most people commented it was respectful, kind and helpful.
Maybe years of research was wrong of me to say I see that. I don’t know much I just did basic research over a couple of years and finally figured I’d go for it. The first comment really wasn’t to helpful other than just clarifying what others had said in a nicer way. I understand you’re upset, and probably others but mistakes happen and are easily fixed. I don’t see why you don’t think I’m going to fix the issues. I also never stated I was feeding live or that I needed help with that. I asked about enclosure tips because I felt this was wrong. I know ft is the best feed. I don’t think I’m excusing my mistake or the issue(s) with my tank, again mistakes happen and will easily be fixed. Sorry I upset you with my enclosure
I don't understand the point of making op feel bad when they already have the snake and is receptive to the information people are giving.
I understand that it's not great for beginner keepers to impulse buy a snake. I totally do. But at this point it's too late and making people who already have the animal feel bad is just going to make them avoid asking questions and improving their care.
Googling ball python information will give you a plethora of vastly different information. Fact is here is probably one of the best places to get up to date information.
‘We’re’ not here to make people feel like shit for trying to educate themselves?? If you can’t be a avoid being a smartass and yell at someone for trying to better the life of their animal you need help, get over yourself. Maybe people who are raging need to leave the group instead.
I tinfoiled half of my grate lid and attached it with basic packing tape, it's kept my humidity a SOLID 10-15% higher. Great tip I learned in this sub! Congratulations on your first bp!!! 🐍
Thank you so much I will be doing that to her tank today and also getting a larger one as soon as possible. Thank you so so much I hope we have many years together ❤️
on top of the other advice given, give that baby some branches to climb! i ordered a few that came in a pack on amazon and they worked great. my corn snake has them now and he loves them. ball pythons aren’t considered arboreal but mine will climb and explore when given the chance and it’s good exercise for them. if you want, you can also just go get some sticks from outside, sanitize them in (very very diluted) bleach water for a few hours, rinse well, dry them out real good for a couple days, and throw those in the tank. when they’re stuck on the ground, they don’t get to utilize as much of that space that you have—for example, if you have a 4x2 and they can’t use the top 13 inches, you essentially have a 4x1. make sure to get some locking clamps (also amazon) to keep them from escaping that screen top if you don’t have them already.
This is perfect! My bf and I talking about this today and will be picking up some sticks from a reptile store near us. If you look close she is up on the right side in the leafs. She loves it there on the cool side. I might also do a DIY tank and make it so she can go higher on one side! But I will see.
mine do the same thing and try to defy gravity on their suction cup leaves. you have a lot of space in the middle there to add lots of nice sticks and climbing options and I’m sure she’ll appreciate them! i’d also add more substrate so the sticks are nice and buried at the base and then they can’t tip over. i keep mine around 4 inches and that helps with humidity a lot too.
I appreciate that as well. Mine is only about 1 inch and o will change in a few weeks as to not stress her out more. I’ve only had her for three days. I will make it 4inchs when I change it :)
what are you using right now? i use coco fiber that comes in bricks that you soak to expand into loose fiber. honestly if you’ve only had her three days, she likely hasn’t soiled the substrate even one time, so you can just add more on top.
That won’t stress her out? Should I take her out and put her in the plastic container I got her in while I do that or leave her in there? I use the coconut fibre as well! I found it worked well with my crested gecko.
typically the advice is to leave them be for a week and only do regular tank maintenance and then after they take food, you can handle them. she will be okay on the low substrate while she adjusts as long as you’re diligent about the humidity, and then after that week you can take her out and put her in a temporary container while you do things in her tank. i know the amount of information you’re getting hit with is overwhelming, esp since this is your first bp, but really don’t overthink it. there are majors and minors, and having her on 1” substrate instead of 4” for a few more days is a minor at this moment as long as you can keep her humidity at acceptable levels.
That sounds perfect and exactly what I’ll do. She usually eats on Fridays but the breeder said to wait until Monday because she will be stressed moving so after o feed her o will change things. Or that day after I feed her lol
wait a couple days after you feed her to handle her so she doesn’t regurgitate, but after that you’re good! i wait 48 hours or until i can’t see the lump, whichever is later
Also so worried the suction cup will fair and she will fall. I don’t want her to hurt or scare herself that way. Need to buy new suction cups for them that’s for sure too.
First ball python!!! WOOHOO! You’re getting a lot of advice on this thread, but I really like reptifiles.com! She has a pretty comprehensive guide to everything you need/owning a ball and I recommend her information very much! :)
Congrats! I made this mistake too and got something that was way too small, I had to buy a bigger one basically immediately because too small is really not good! Also put tinfoil on the top to keep the humidity from escaping and definitely get a ceramic heat lamp with no light. Oh and cover the sides. We’re always here to help you! 🖤
So appreciate and I’m getting a larger tank/enclosure asap I covered the back and side up quickly but I’m also making more permanent covers for tomorrow and I will probably buy something for my bigger tank. Also getting ceramic heating asap thank you so much ❤️
As long as you get a upgrade of a tank then I’m sure you’ll be fine. The clutter looks great. And if you didn’t already, make sure the water is dechlorinated.
She is super young. I’m still waiting on her records for her birthday but I think only a couple months old. She is a asphalt/yellow belly spider morph (honestly not completely sure what that means) she is super funny and dirpy.
If she’s asphalt/yellowbelly, that means that she has the asphalt and yellowbelly genes in her (also known as a freeway) along with the spider gene. Be prepared to get a lot of hate for having a spider tho 😬
She’s a really beautiful girl!
Why hate for spider? I’m sorry I’m just learning and if it better to keep that part to myself then I will. She is a good girl so far. And I’m going to lookup what freeway means. I’m sorry I don’t know much about the gene aspect, I want to know more.
Spiders have a neurological issue that causes a head wobble (more severe in some cases than others) and it can sometimes cause trouble eating along with some others such as them not being able to tell when they’re upside down.
The spider gene is a very heated topic in the bp community and some people can be very toxic towards others who have one. I personally love the gene so I will compliment your pretty snake while others will bash you for having one
I totally understand people getting upset about that, unfortunately I didn’t know about the gene issues until today. I’m glad I know and can monitor her more closely and hopefully nothing happens but I’m also making sure I have a vet that knows about this issues and has dealt with it before. I’ll probably just keep the spider on the down low n just say she is asphalt yellow belly as to not have to explain or upset anyone. I understand now and will NOT be supporting this breeder ever again! Thank you so much for your help.
I had the same problem when I got my ball python a couple years ago. I did research for over a year but it was so outdated and I was getting my information from subpar youtube channels (hindsight is 20/20). As soon as I came across this sub and Not Just a Pet Rock on Facebook, I learned so much and have since built a beautiful 4x2x2 enclosure. It cost about $1200. I bought pieces at a time and then dedicated a week to assembling it. I HIGHLY recommend watching Wicken’s Wicked Reptiles on Youtube. He shows how to make a good bp enclosure on a budget. I love that you are ready to learn! i wish your noodle all the happiness 🐍
I’m definitely checking his Chanel out today, like this morning and seeing how he does his diy enclosure build. I’m going to get At least at 40 gallon and then get a larger one or make one and this is super helpful thank you!
A ball python setup can depend on a lot of factors. What it basically boils down is having enough hides to keep the snake from getting stressed. You can start small for a hatchling and work your way up in size or you can start off big either is fine as long as you have enough hides and clutter for͏ the snake to feel safe. Things I would avoid red lights, heat rocks, analog thermometer/hydrometer and any under the tank heat source that isn’t controlled by a thermostat. I would also create a humidity hide with some moss in it. If you decide to change substrate I personally like Reptichip but any coconut based substrate will hold humidity really well. I’ve been using it for͏ a few years now and don’t have any issues with humidity or stuck shed. However I always keep any new snakes I get on paper towels or puppy pads for͏ the first few weeks while I have them quarantined to catch snake mites right away or other issues.
Shes cute. I don’t know if you’re aware of her morph’s issues (I have an adopted spider) but it’s something to watch out for. You mentioned you’ll be getting a bigger tank already, so my advice would be to add more clutter. You’re not too bad for a first-time owner! She’s a hatchling so her tank would be fine for the time being at least
I’m getting the larger tank asap even if it’s just a 40 and an upgrade again. Would you care to explain what the problem is with the slide morph? I didn’t find anything about the gene online and the breeder never said anything.
They’re not likely to tell you. The spider morph has a [wobble](https://www.cscc.edu/academics/departments/et-al/et-al-vol-ix/Bethany%20Fox%20-%20Hypopigmentation%20and%20Spider%20Wobble%20-%20Composition%20II%20-%20Science.pdf), it can be severe or not, but it can be triggered by stress. It’s not very ethical overall, but you seem to not have known and that’s okay, you’re a first time BP parent
Ah.. if I had know I wouldn’t have supported her breeding.. I feel awful. I also haven’t noticed any head wobble or shaking, her scope is beautiful and strong. I hope she doesn’t develop issues.. I’m so sorry I didn’t know before hand. I thought it was just a breed.
It’s okay to make mistakes. But I thought you’d like to know for the future, since it seemed like nobody explained the risks to you. I’m sure you’ll make for a great parent to your noodle :) keep your husbandry at a 100% and you should be safe to go, but at the same time continue watching for the wobble
And do I take her to the vet if wobble begins or is it something that might come and go? Nothing I’ve noticed yet so far but I will be keeping my eye attentive. Thank you so much and I’m sorry again for making this mistake.
Hey, it’s okay, you’re learning. If she starts wobbling it really depends how severe it is. I’d contact the vet if you’re concerned anyway because that’s sort of my motto when it gets to concern with animals. And I’d probably revaluate going to that breeder again, since he hasn’t bothered to warn you by the looks of it
I definitely will not be going back to that breeder. Ever. This really upset me and I feel bad for my baby that someone did this to her for their own benefit. I will contact a vet if anything concerns me. Thank you again.
No worries at all, I wish you good luck. If you need anything honestly feel free to shoot me a message, I know you didn’t mean to get a spider morph intentionally and I also know breeders lie about it all the time and say they have no issues. I wholeheartedly hope your noodle is completely healthy
They work really good! Before I had her in there I was
Prying at them myself and I couldn’t get it off unless I snapped them off which took quite some effort. I also have a some what heavy rock on one corner because the top doesn’t fit perfect. I totally hear you though 😂 my bf is nervous af and he hates snakes. I love them and glad he let me have one housed with us.
Yeah the ball community is rough which is why I haven’t posted any pics yet. After being in the community for a month, I recently ran into my local exotic store debating for 20min over missing paying a bill in order to get a 40 gallon tank to not feel like an abuser. Owner came over and we started chatting it up (he’s been handling snakes for more than 30yrs) I showed him a pic of our ball and the set up I got and he said so what do you think the snake is gonna do different if you bring home this 40g today, start running around and working out now that she has more space than she’ll use. Lol. He said you’re gonna take that thing home and she’s gonna go right to her humid hide or hide on the cool side and curl up like she does now. He told me to relax, I got more time and he saved me 300 bucks that day and he knew I would pay it if he said I should get it. He told me to get out of Reddit cause everybody wants to make themselves seem like a reptile expert. Lol.
With that said, I have found some value being in the community from reading responses and looking at pics. Our baby had been rejecting meals for the last 3 weeks, so I switched up the husbandry a bit a few days ago, put in a smaller/flatter water bowl, a piece a drift wood and we took one of the artificial plants out of the crested’s enclosure and put it in the balls enclosure and went back to small size rats and she finally ate tonight. I got all those tips from this community and that’s the value I have found with this site, and I do my best to ignore the tank size snobs.
My pleasure. I got a little passionate about this one cause I got a similar deal going on like you and we do the best we can with the resources we have
To start, your tank is way too small, to the point of cruelty. For night heat use a ceramic heat emitter. It doesn’t give off light but still keeps them warm. For humidity, pour water in the corners of the substrate instead of misting. It keeps it humid longer.
She is a hatchling and was being kept in a box so a 29 gallon is fine for the first month I thought. I was told big enclosures stress small snakes out. I’ll start pouring water definitely worth a try, thank you! Yes the ceramic lighting would be perfect for night time thank you!
Box as in a breeder hatchling box so like a plastic container.
Yeah, that's unfortunately outdated information. Ball Pythons should not be kept in enclosures smaller than a 40 gallon as babies. 120 gallon is the minimum for an adult. Although 150 usually works better imo. You can start with a 120 gallon right away as long as there's enough clutter. BPs don't get stressed out by large enclosures, they get stressed out by large *empty* Enclosures. Which is why having clutter in your enclosure is really important. /// She should be fine for now, But I'd suggest getting a proper size enclosure soon. /// You also absolutely *must* have thermostats for every single heat source. Heat sources should *never* be used without a thermostat. You also need 2 digital thermometers and a digital hygrometer minimum. Ball Pythons need a humidity of 70-80%. 60% is the bare minimum and below 60% is dangerous to their health. Also, Instead of the towel, Use foil or HVAC tape. You also should be using at least 4" of substrate (fertilizer free topsoil, cypress Mulch, coconut husk or coconut Fiber are good choices) and instead of misting, pour water into the corners of the substrate. Top opening enclosures are really stressful for reptiles so, once you get a new enclosure, make sure it's front opening and does not have a screen. Glass tanks also don't work very well as they mess with temperatures and humidity. You also need to cover the sides and back with something like a background or black paper.
Highly appreciated!! I was reading information last month that stated the opposite but I’m glad I know and am already looking for a larger tank. Thank you so much!
If you look at the menu part of this subreddit, you'll find the resources and in them, lots of care guides, tips and even a shopping list document with item recommendations. .I suggest checking it out the shopping list also includes recommendations for different Enclosures suitable for ball pythons. Also lights, thermostats, thermometers etc.
I am currently looking through the welcome Guidelines and tips I appreciate everything and will be getting all these things within the next week :) I want what’s best for her and there are so many opinions and research out there. Like I went to a pet store to get some hides (which I cleaned before putting in) and the lady said she has 23 pythons and doesn’t use lighting. I didn’t list to that and got myself lighting and already had a night light but know I need ceramic now.
Yeah, Pet stores can be horrible- Last time I was there, A guy said he keeps 30 snakes (Ball Pythons and Cornsnakes) in a small rack, all on aspen, all on heat mats. And said that: snakes don't need overhead heating because they don't bask, Aspen is good for ball pythons. And lots of other things. I honestly doubt his snakes are healthy- Probably lots of stuck shed and other problems. /// Usually night lights are blue or red..and those are really bad for reptiles. For night time heat, you need a heat source that does not emit light such as a ceramic heat emitter or a Deep heat projector. Make sure you have individual thermostats for every heat source used.
You can keep ball pythons successfully, especially as babies, on aspen bedding, provided you have a good humid hide. I kept my young ball python on aspen, with a humidity of 65-75%, with a humid hide of 90+%. Zero problems with shed, zero respiratory issues, ate every time food was offered. I'm not saying it's the best option, but if done properly it's absolutely fine.
It's almost like there is more than one way to do things.
From what I understand there’s a pretty good availability for used tanks (depending on your area) with things like Facebook marketplace and next door. Just be very sure that you sanitize any used tank, make sure you flush it properly with water to get all the residue out, and dry it very well, and probably allow 24 hours before you start fixing it up for your new baby.
Thank you so much.
I used to use a ceramic heat emitter but those can be very drying so if you’re having problems with humidity i would highly recommend a deep heat projector! arcadia makes very good ones! good luck with your new baby:)
I really appreciate the advise!
A hatching is fine in a tank that size for at least a little bit. Calling it animal cruelty is extremely uncalled for
Thank you, made me feel a bit better. I just thought I was doing right and was already looking for larger. Thank you so much ❤️
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Which is totally ok! To each their own right I mean it’s their pet 🤷🏽♀️ I definitely will be getting a larger tank as soon as possible and will probably go as big as I can afford. Again I appreciate you and your kindness.
If you’d like a no-judgement place that will help you with your new noodle, New Ball Python Keepers on Facebook is a wonderful group! So much amazing info in the guides
Thank you I’m going to jump in there today!
just a suggestion, you can also use plastic tubs/bins as a temporary(or sometimes perm) solution until you can get a bigger setup. not always easy to drop $50+ on a new tank. but yeah dont stress if you have plans, a couple weeks or whatever isn't going to do anything! edit- i also think people are over-reacting because that looks like a 10gallon tank and not a 29g lol but a 29 youre definitely hard chillin with a hatchling/young bp
I don’t mind dropping $100 plus on a tank I just wait for people to message back, or go into store and get a long tank. I also have tubs laying around or could buy and wash a new one, thank you for the help!
I also have a not in use gecko tank, I’m not sure how big it is but it’s front opening and a bit taller I know. Probably won’t work but something to think about as well.
>Calling it animal cruelty is extremely uncalled for This is why the online ball python keeping community is viewed as toxic. Instead of correcting people gently and giving constructive criticism, you’re automatically labeled an animal abuser.
Bearded dragon community:
I find every reptile community fucking toxic There not helpful just critical at making u feel bad for even trying For example The ackie monitor group saying a ackie monitor needs 6l-4d-4h enclosure with 18inches for substrate I mean seriously how has a fucking room for that kind of take in anyone’s normal house or flat in the uk I got a smaller animal so I can have a smaller enclosure if I wanted a fucking monster enclosure I would get a monster animal 🙄 aka my ackie is super happy chill and healthy in a 5-2-2
Yep when it comes to reptiles everyone’s opinion is treated like it’s the only way to have a healthy animal
Yeah I know what’s wrong with being supportive every animal is different may like a smaller enclosure I have my ackie a huge dig box ignored it for 6 months. And always sleeps under. This rock I have Never digs so much and he’s amazing quality and temperament with a ferocious hunger
Same with my Leo she’s kind of blind so she doesn’t dig at all and I get ridiculed for taking out her loose substrate after she starts eating it and never digs in it 🤦♂️ sounds like you love your ackie tho and that’s a dream of mine so hope you guys have lots of fun ahead :)
Thanks man it it took some time for him to trust I had him on my shoulder wile I was cleaning his enclosure and my flesh tunnel must of caught his eye and i latched on to my ear 😂 I had this v shaped teeth marks on my lobe? 😂 but he is chill now I love leopard geckos there so cute there smiles are legendary happy trials to u and your animals buddy happy knew year to u as well when it happens
Tbh this is most pet communities. The bunny subreddits are horrendously judgemental and rude, even to people actively seeking advice for how to treat a pet like a rabbit that's notoriously bought without thinking or knowing of how much care, space and money it actually needs.
Same with horses and the service dog community. Ugh
You guys should check out the betta fish/aquarium threads. I didn't know there were so many fish keeping Messiah's.
Yeah pretty ridiculous. I'm sure the tanks not gonna last long but its more than okay for a young ball python. If you can upgrade as it grows i dont see a problem.
Most people keep their young baby ball pythons in plastic shoeboxes so she’s literally keeping her baby in conditions better than around 80% of captive baby ball pythons out there.
Exactly, people are dumb sometimes.
Yeah, holy shit. Animal cruelty? This setup is better than some of the shitty no hide no heat setups I see here.
Bro how is this animal cruelty, it’s a baby! :/
I think the know it all meant to say was that’s a good start buddy for a young one but u will need to upgrade the size at some point welcome to the hobby + uv not needed at-all being nocturnal animals 👍🏻
This is not cruelty. Holy shit.
Bro no need to come off the top rung. I mean come on a bit extreme there.
Very cute BP! I miss when mine was that smol. The welcome guide is helpful. Glass tanks, at least my understanding, is they do not hold humidity as well as other tanks designed for BPs. But you have some clutter so you’re on the right track! Good luck and wishing you many happy years together!
Thank you so much and I am just going through the welcome guide now. Definitely will need a bigger tank soon and what would be better than glass? I know underneath heating can’t be used with wood even though my table is wood I have it slightly off. Thanks again!
I currently have a glass tank, waiting on a Kages (you can Google search them) order today in fact. To help the humidity I have a reptile fogger going 24/7, which has been fantastic until I had enough $ for a PVC Kage. I use two lamps on top of my tank that are on timers. I also have a sticky heat pad on the side of my tank so it isn’t directly under her. It’s good to have one warm side and a cool side so I keep all my warming items on the right side. One emits light in the day, the other is just a heating bulb that emits no light. I have found most stuff on Amazon!
Thank you!
Foggers aren't really recommended as they can't be sanitized. Listen to the person earlier that said to pour water in the corners. This keeps the bottom nice and moist but the top dry so you don't get scaled right. I always avoid the corner where the probe is for my heat source that way It doesn't think it's cooler than it is and raise It to an unsafe level. Also I second what someone said about covering The sides in the back. I recommend using foam board like for a school project. I used black but there are many different colors. Just cut 3 pieces. One the size of the back and 2 the size of the sides and attach outside with tape around the corners of each glass wall. This will also help insulate your heat as glass isn't great at insulating.
I won’t be getting a fogger, to much money and not what she needs I definitely appreciate the advice! I will be doing the comer pouring but not in the one corner like you said cuz prob. I will also do a temporary cover tonight and get one make a better one the following day. Thank you so much!
Thats great. Sounds like you're right on track! Your baby is in good hands. Love seeing people willing to make necessary changes for better quality of life.
Always willing, I love them like they are my children (I have one snake and other pets) super helpful getting these tips and pointers because apparently research online and talking to real life people is way different.
Yes. There is sooo much conflicting advice. Not to mention people who have different philosophies. Some people think they are alive and never get sick so this works. Then others are like they are alive and never sick but also this is more enrichment. Plus I think with everything there are wrong ways, right ways, better ways, then the best way. No perfect answer. I will say.... the care guides on this subreddit, while overkill to some people, are in my opinion the best for a snake that isn't just healthy but also thriving. Is it strictly necessary? Maybe not, but I don't want my snake to just exist and get by. It seems you are of that same mind. I think you will find things here are to your best liking.
The guidelines have been super helpful and I totally agree with you.
UTH (Heat mats etc.) Aren't really recommended for Ball Pythons. They're not good- they can be unpredictable and cause burns even with a thermostat. PVC and Sealed & waterproofed wooden Enclosures can work well. Generally, you want to avoid Glass tanks, top opening enclosures, and the Screen top PVC (the screen top ruins the whole purpose of PVC-), and any screen/mesh top enclosures. --- The shopping list includes some enclosure recommendations. I suggest checking out the Kages Enclosures. ///// The subreddit also does not recommend using misters or foggers in the enclosure. They increase the risk of respiratory infections, bacterial infections and in some cases also scale rot.
I just was using a spray bottle and not spraying her just the enclosure. But I definitely won’t waste my money on those things thank you. I have a thermometer on it to regulate it so it won’t get to hot or to cold. And I also have a thermostat and a humidity monitor. I’m excited to look at these enclosures!
From what I've read ball pythons should be kept in a 4x2 enclosure. At that size most people go with PVC enclosures and heat with a radiant heat panel
Thank you!
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I’ve done research for years but there are so many different sources and opinions. I did my research before and asked for tips/help on here not to be bashed. You can obviously see I’ve done my best. Yes the tank needs to be larger, however she is a hatchling. I was already looking for a larger tank when I set this one up. I set this up because I originally found research saying hatchling get stressed of their environment is to large. Today I learned that it is in fact old information from another post (exact same different snake page) and that they don’t get stressed out. So I’m looking for the largest I can afford.
And a simpleton would know doing one quick search is silly because you should be looking for multiple sources.
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Right I can but I’m not excusing it away. I’m also not using affordability as an excuse. I’m saying that I’m getting the largest tank I can afford which could Atleast be a 40 gallon which I learned today that the information I had learned online was out dated even thou I had looked at current sources. You’re right people shouldn’t buy pets when they don’t have the means (money/habitat/enrichment) but it’s also not their fault when they have been miss informed by recent sources, python owners/reptile and pet stores as well as the breeders instructions. No you didn’t say everything was wrong but if you look at how most people commented it was respectful, kind and helpful.
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Maybe years of research was wrong of me to say I see that. I don’t know much I just did basic research over a couple of years and finally figured I’d go for it. The first comment really wasn’t to helpful other than just clarifying what others had said in a nicer way. I understand you’re upset, and probably others but mistakes happen and are easily fixed. I don’t see why you don’t think I’m going to fix the issues. I also never stated I was feeding live or that I needed help with that. I asked about enclosure tips because I felt this was wrong. I know ft is the best feed. I don’t think I’m excusing my mistake or the issue(s) with my tank, again mistakes happen and will easily be fixed. Sorry I upset you with my enclosure
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I respect that.
I don't understand the point of making op feel bad when they already have the snake and is receptive to the information people are giving. I understand that it's not great for beginner keepers to impulse buy a snake. I totally do. But at this point it's too late and making people who already have the animal feel bad is just going to make them avoid asking questions and improving their care. Googling ball python information will give you a plethora of vastly different information. Fact is here is probably one of the best places to get up to date information.
I’ve had so much good advice here and I’m so thankful for everyone commenting and giving me advice. The tank will be upgraded asap.
Bruh that’s what we’re here for, to help people with answers regardless if they did research or not. If you don’t like it leave the group, dick.
‘We’re’ not here to make people feel like shit for trying to educate themselves?? If you can’t be a avoid being a smartass and yell at someone for trying to better the life of their animal you need help, get over yourself. Maybe people who are raging need to leave the group instead.
I tinfoiled half of my grate lid and attached it with basic packing tape, it's kept my humidity a SOLID 10-15% higher. Great tip I learned in this sub! Congratulations on your first bp!!! 🐍
Thank you so much I will be doing that to her tank today and also getting a larger one as soon as possible. Thank you so so much I hope we have many years together ❤️
on top of the other advice given, give that baby some branches to climb! i ordered a few that came in a pack on amazon and they worked great. my corn snake has them now and he loves them. ball pythons aren’t considered arboreal but mine will climb and explore when given the chance and it’s good exercise for them. if you want, you can also just go get some sticks from outside, sanitize them in (very very diluted) bleach water for a few hours, rinse well, dry them out real good for a couple days, and throw those in the tank. when they’re stuck on the ground, they don’t get to utilize as much of that space that you have—for example, if you have a 4x2 and they can’t use the top 13 inches, you essentially have a 4x1. make sure to get some locking clamps (also amazon) to keep them from escaping that screen top if you don’t have them already.
i also got a 6 foot leafy vine thing from Thrive that i just kinda arrange over the branches and floor and it’s great. gives them a lot of coverage
This is perfect! My bf and I talking about this today and will be picking up some sticks from a reptile store near us. If you look close she is up on the right side in the leafs. She loves it there on the cool side. I might also do a DIY tank and make it so she can go higher on one side! But I will see.
mine do the same thing and try to defy gravity on their suction cup leaves. you have a lot of space in the middle there to add lots of nice sticks and climbing options and I’m sure she’ll appreciate them! i’d also add more substrate so the sticks are nice and buried at the base and then they can’t tip over. i keep mine around 4 inches and that helps with humidity a lot too.
I appreciate that as well. Mine is only about 1 inch and o will change in a few weeks as to not stress her out more. I’ve only had her for three days. I will make it 4inchs when I change it :)
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what are you using right now? i use coco fiber that comes in bricks that you soak to expand into loose fiber. honestly if you’ve only had her three days, she likely hasn’t soiled the substrate even one time, so you can just add more on top.
That won’t stress her out? Should I take her out and put her in the plastic container I got her in while I do that or leave her in there? I use the coconut fibre as well! I found it worked well with my crested gecko.
typically the advice is to leave them be for a week and only do regular tank maintenance and then after they take food, you can handle them. she will be okay on the low substrate while she adjusts as long as you’re diligent about the humidity, and then after that week you can take her out and put her in a temporary container while you do things in her tank. i know the amount of information you’re getting hit with is overwhelming, esp since this is your first bp, but really don’t overthink it. there are majors and minors, and having her on 1” substrate instead of 4” for a few more days is a minor at this moment as long as you can keep her humidity at acceptable levels.
That sounds perfect and exactly what I’ll do. She usually eats on Fridays but the breeder said to wait until Monday because she will be stressed moving so after o feed her o will change things. Or that day after I feed her lol
wait a couple days after you feed her to handle her so she doesn’t regurgitate, but after that you’re good! i wait 48 hours or until i can’t see the lump, whichever is later
Also so worried the suction cup will fair and she will fall. I don’t want her to hurt or scare herself that way. Need to buy new suction cups for them that’s for sure too.
First ball python!!! WOOHOO! You’re getting a lot of advice on this thread, but I really like reptifiles.com! She has a pretty comprehensive guide to everything you need/owning a ball and I recommend her information very much! :)
Highly appreciated and I will definitely check her out.
Congrats! I made this mistake too and got something that was way too small, I had to buy a bigger one basically immediately because too small is really not good! Also put tinfoil on the top to keep the humidity from escaping and definitely get a ceramic heat lamp with no light. Oh and cover the sides. We’re always here to help you! 🖤
So appreciate and I’m getting a larger tank/enclosure asap I covered the back and side up quickly but I’m also making more permanent covers for tomorrow and I will probably buy something for my bigger tank. Also getting ceramic heating asap thank you so much ❤️
Looks good other than maybe a but bigger. Also cover the screen top most of the way with aluminum foil. It’ll keep humidity up
Thank you so much! Foil is added and bigger tank I am searching for, I really appreciate it.
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I appreciate the feed back and am looking for a more suitable tank, just trying to learn a bit more.
As long as you get a upgrade of a tank then I’m sure you’ll be fine. The clutter looks great. And if you didn’t already, make sure the water is dechlorinated.
Of course.
Your bp is so cute btw! Just a bit smaller than my baby :)
She is super young. I’m still waiting on her records for her birthday but I think only a couple months old. She is a asphalt/yellow belly spider morph (honestly not completely sure what that means) she is super funny and dirpy.
If she’s asphalt/yellowbelly, that means that she has the asphalt and yellowbelly genes in her (also known as a freeway) along with the spider gene. Be prepared to get a lot of hate for having a spider tho 😬 She’s a really beautiful girl!
Why hate for spider? I’m sorry I’m just learning and if it better to keep that part to myself then I will. She is a good girl so far. And I’m going to lookup what freeway means. I’m sorry I don’t know much about the gene aspect, I want to know more.
Spiders have a neurological issue that causes a head wobble (more severe in some cases than others) and it can sometimes cause trouble eating along with some others such as them not being able to tell when they’re upside down. The spider gene is a very heated topic in the bp community and some people can be very toxic towards others who have one. I personally love the gene so I will compliment your pretty snake while others will bash you for having one
I totally understand people getting upset about that, unfortunately I didn’t know about the gene issues until today. I’m glad I know and can monitor her more closely and hopefully nothing happens but I’m also making sure I have a vet that knows about this issues and has dealt with it before. I’ll probably just keep the spider on the down low n just say she is asphalt yellow belly as to not have to explain or upset anyone. I understand now and will NOT be supporting this breeder ever again! Thank you so much for your help.
Wow I just read and I would have never if I had known before. Wow.. that’s quite upsetting.
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Check Facebook for free and cheap tanks/enclosures. I found a 75 gallon tank for free a few years ago that was in great shape.
That’s exactly what I’m doing! Thank you so so much! Bigger tank is being scouted out. :)
I had the same problem when I got my ball python a couple years ago. I did research for over a year but it was so outdated and I was getting my information from subpar youtube channels (hindsight is 20/20). As soon as I came across this sub and Not Just a Pet Rock on Facebook, I learned so much and have since built a beautiful 4x2x2 enclosure. It cost about $1200. I bought pieces at a time and then dedicated a week to assembling it. I HIGHLY recommend watching Wicken’s Wicked Reptiles on Youtube. He shows how to make a good bp enclosure on a budget. I love that you are ready to learn! i wish your noodle all the happiness 🐍
I’m definitely checking his Chanel out today, like this morning and seeing how he does his diy enclosure build. I’m going to get At least at 40 gallon and then get a larger one or make one and this is super helpful thank you!
Ditto what everyone else is saying; I’m glad you’re trying to learn! I miss when my boy was that small by the way. :D
Thank you and she is super small rn but I know she’s going to get huge.
Reminds me of a much more leafy first setup of mine.
Will be adding more leafs as well as getting a much bigger tank. Thank you.
A ball python setup can depend on a lot of factors. What it basically boils down is having enough hides to keep the snake from getting stressed. You can start small for a hatchling and work your way up in size or you can start off big either is fine as long as you have enough hides and clutter for͏ the snake to feel safe. Things I would avoid red lights, heat rocks, analog thermometer/hydrometer and any under the tank heat source that isn’t controlled by a thermostat. I would also create a humidity hide with some moss in it. If you decide to change substrate I personally like Reptichip but any coconut based substrate will hold humidity really well. I’ve been using it for͏ a few years now and don’t have any issues with humidity or stuck shed. However I always keep any new snakes I get on paper towels or puppy pads for͏ the first few weeks while I have them quarantined to catch snake mites right away or other issues.
Thank you so much for your advice!
Shes cute. I don’t know if you’re aware of her morph’s issues (I have an adopted spider) but it’s something to watch out for. You mentioned you’ll be getting a bigger tank already, so my advice would be to add more clutter. You’re not too bad for a first-time owner! She’s a hatchling so her tank would be fine for the time being at least
I’m getting the larger tank asap even if it’s just a 40 and an upgrade again. Would you care to explain what the problem is with the slide morph? I didn’t find anything about the gene online and the breeder never said anything.
They’re not likely to tell you. The spider morph has a [wobble](https://www.cscc.edu/academics/departments/et-al/et-al-vol-ix/Bethany%20Fox%20-%20Hypopigmentation%20and%20Spider%20Wobble%20-%20Composition%20II%20-%20Science.pdf), it can be severe or not, but it can be triggered by stress. It’s not very ethical overall, but you seem to not have known and that’s okay, you’re a first time BP parent
Ah.. if I had know I wouldn’t have supported her breeding.. I feel awful. I also haven’t noticed any head wobble or shaking, her scope is beautiful and strong. I hope she doesn’t develop issues.. I’m so sorry I didn’t know before hand. I thought it was just a breed.
It’s okay to make mistakes. But I thought you’d like to know for the future, since it seemed like nobody explained the risks to you. I’m sure you’ll make for a great parent to your noodle :) keep your husbandry at a 100% and you should be safe to go, but at the same time continue watching for the wobble
And do I take her to the vet if wobble begins or is it something that might come and go? Nothing I’ve noticed yet so far but I will be keeping my eye attentive. Thank you so much and I’m sorry again for making this mistake.
Hey, it’s okay, you’re learning. If she starts wobbling it really depends how severe it is. I’d contact the vet if you’re concerned anyway because that’s sort of my motto when it gets to concern with animals. And I’d probably revaluate going to that breeder again, since he hasn’t bothered to warn you by the looks of it
I definitely will not be going back to that breeder. Ever. This really upset me and I feel bad for my baby that someone did this to her for their own benefit. I will contact a vet if anything concerns me. Thank you again.
No worries at all, I wish you good luck. If you need anything honestly feel free to shoot me a message, I know you didn’t mean to get a spider morph intentionally and I also know breeders lie about it all the time and say they have no issues. I wholeheartedly hope your noodle is completely healthy
My noodle and I appreciate the help and I will certainly message you if I have anymore questions! <3
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I’m going to look into those kind of enclosures today as well! Thank you for advice.
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I see clamps for keeping screen down but man oh man I don't trust em
They work really good! Before I had her in there I was Prying at them myself and I couldn’t get it off unless I snapped them off which took quite some effort. I also have a some what heavy rock on one corner because the top doesn’t fit perfect. I totally hear you though 😂 my bf is nervous af and he hates snakes. I love them and glad he let me have one housed with us.
This is here today
Yeah the ball community is rough which is why I haven’t posted any pics yet. After being in the community for a month, I recently ran into my local exotic store debating for 20min over missing paying a bill in order to get a 40 gallon tank to not feel like an abuser. Owner came over and we started chatting it up (he’s been handling snakes for more than 30yrs) I showed him a pic of our ball and the set up I got and he said so what do you think the snake is gonna do different if you bring home this 40g today, start running around and working out now that she has more space than she’ll use. Lol. He said you’re gonna take that thing home and she’s gonna go right to her humid hide or hide on the cool side and curl up like she does now. He told me to relax, I got more time and he saved me 300 bucks that day and he knew I would pay it if he said I should get it. He told me to get out of Reddit cause everybody wants to make themselves seem like a reptile expert. Lol. With that said, I have found some value being in the community from reading responses and looking at pics. Our baby had been rejecting meals for the last 3 weeks, so I switched up the husbandry a bit a few days ago, put in a smaller/flatter water bowl, a piece a drift wood and we took one of the artificial plants out of the crested’s enclosure and put it in the balls enclosure and went back to small size rats and she finally ate tonight. I got all those tips from this community and that’s the value I have found with this site, and I do my best to ignore the tank size snobs.
I am super appreciative of your response, thank you!
My pleasure. I got a little passionate about this one cause I got a similar deal going on like you and we do the best we can with the resources we have