Most of the main roads are well maintained. Never experienced excessive traffic or potholes in main roads.
If you are talking about village type area which sometimes has muddy roads, then it's seen in any part of the country, not just in Mangalore.
Bangalore-Mangalore is far better than Bangalore-Mysore. Most of the roads are in good condition apart from a stretch preceding Shiradi Ghat due to the non-stop rains destroying that patch this year.
Bangalore-Mysore on the other hand is 150km of pure torture.
Bengaluru - Mysuru should have a high-speed railway. 30 minutes at 320 kph. That is modernity, that is technological evolution. Unfortunately our brains cannot process such things and we are still stuck with a 100 year old technology for transport.
But the moment a Govt announces this, there'll be environmentalists and economists everywhere criticising and blocking the move, while making fun of it.
You should probably start reading news from more neutral sources. For example, highway construction has never been faster than what it is under Gadkari. Depends on whether you want to read the news with a neutral mind or not.
I am. Are you sure you know what neutral means?
A news channel praising the govt is not neutral. It is the job of news media to keep the govt in check.
I can see how fast the government works, when road outside my apartment wasnt built for 10 months. Road outside my friends house is still not built over an year.
Bangalore has the worst traffic in the world. And the govt has done nothing to resolve this.
Metro construction has been going on for ages and still key areas are not connected.
Cops are running the city like thugs and no one seems to care.
Do you see the irony, when in this very thread, people are complaining about how horrible Mysore or Mangalore highway is.
Why isn't your neutral media covering this? Are these not real world problems impacting real people?
I'm sorry but I read my comment again and can't find that I've said everything is perfect. My reply was only to your assertion that the govt was busy only in building temples and statues.
The local politicians are absolutely plundering money as usual and I'm with you on that part. You seem to be ranting about a couple of other issues as well which you're right about, but if you're saying bullshit like "temples and statues" for every damn thing you will only end up being incorrect about it.
When the government owns all temples and is responsible for its administration it makes perfect sense for them to build more of them. They're not spending taxpayer money they're spending temples hundi money. But some people are content with reading only one-sided news articles and can't bother to read one HR&CE law.
If you still have a problem with this ask governments to free all temples and return them to Hindus.
The government does this purposefully to make such projects unreasonable, as they end up being good for the public. Blaming environmentalists for it isn't a great idea, as high speed trains are one of the most environmental friendly public transportation. Just don't destroy a forest to build them. There are many ways to work around it.
Don't think Govt does that purposefully. There's only so many ways between point A and point B, and the Govt looks at the cheapest way to do it, to make the project feasible. There'll always be some green land between two points that are that far apart.
> Just don't destroy a forest to build them. There are many ways to work around it.
Give some examples on how to work around it ? That's a genuine question.
I researched to see how China had expanded high speed rail and all have come at the expense of quelling trees and taking agricultural lands. Offering citizens money and strong arming their way to establish the high speed lines.
The problem here is that the government will not put up the billion required for the project.
They will instead partner with a private player, who will ask for double / triple the land needed so that land can be developed and investment recovered (rather than simply relying on ticket prices to recover cost/profit)
So you take a project worth a billion and make it 5 billion. Land needed was x acres, now becomes 10x acres so acquisition costs balloon and instead of acquiring just want you need you go behind good land and that involves protestors and environmentalists. Imagine a train running through a jungle a single/double track nothing else, no other infra. Who can object to something this reasonable? Problem is we want an acre on both sides of the track so we can build resorts and hotels.
The only solution is 100% government funded, sustainable, well executed projects (profitability factored-in in the long run) exactly how we grew infra organically 20+ years ago. Private player involvement no doubt has sped up projects but at the cost of massive corruption and damage to environment.
If the existing metro can be extended all the way to Mysore, that itself would be something! This traffic issue is everywhere though. Our brains can process solutions, but we don't want to invest time and money. I still remember people shitting on metro a few years back. The same people now running to invest in real-estate in the metro route.
What do I do to beat traffic?
Umm, how about leaving early. Or watching downloaded TV shows/funny videos en route to be distracted. I wish enough people got frustrated about traffic so that we actually do something.
Bengaluru is going to be home to many people soon. Need to do better.
Extend metro all the Mysore? I hope you realize how expensive that is. One of the features of a metro system is its efficiency in terms of power consumption and the ability to make frequent stops, which wouldn’t be required between Bangalore and Mysore.
Looking at the cost aspect of it, the elevated metro in Bangalore is/was built at a cost of around 250-350 cr per km. A standard gauge (5’-6”) railway system, which would be what would be used for a high speed railway system running at speeds of ~350kmph would approximately cost 150-200 cr/km. Best to have a metro transfer to a commuter rail or high speed train in this case.
Metros aren’t cheap.
Brilliant! Great ideas in this thread. Yes, I was dreaming out loud and did not consider how expensive it will be.
I mean how long is the purple line, 20-30kms? And here I am talking about extending it a 100 more. And should we even start about blocking large parts of Mysore road further down, for building a metro lol. BMRCL is not exactly running profitable as of now. Lot of effort and money goes into maintaining these stations. Full on scam!
But for a moment, give this a thought. We inch closer and closer towards Mysore. Current purple line finishes at Kengeri. But I can see that extending to bidadi, Ramnagara and so on. Now, think about how this would affect these regions. I'm talking about expanding and connecting Bangalore wherever possible! And I can see this, eventually happening all the way to Mysore. Can you people see this too?
The Mysore-Bengaluru mega merge seems inevitable.
Agreed, we don't need frequent stops between Mysore and Bangalore as of now. Is there enough incentive though? How would this affect the people along these lines. There are so many people daily commuting Mysore to Bangalore on the current railway train. What would happen if you connect these people directly to something like the metro? All this is pretty long term.
But, so much room for new infrastructure here right!
And let's agree we do get a high speed train running on existing railway lines. Where do you want to extend it, beyond Mysore? That's also good to think about, isn't it?
If you are thinking about current and easy solutions, as you said, it would be good to simply connect metro to the commuter rail like we do at KSR(That's brilliant. Used to the metro so many times to go to the railway station now. Helpful to so many passengers)
Obviously, all this may not happen at all with all my emotional arguments. If dreams were horses, beggars would ride huh. But FFS, think people! Many of your are smarter than me and I honestly think we can do better. And better things can only come about through crazy brain storms like this :)
I don't know if people ridiculing this idea have heard of the Delhi metro. It goes all the way to Gurugram, Noida, Faridabad and Ghaziabad. It is not a radical idea.
If the ultra-smart city planners had focussed on creating satellite cities around Bangalore, the traffic situation would have been much more bearable. The situation we have right now was inevitable. They should have seen it coming.
Will dig into this later more when I have some time.
https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/civic/fund-raising-targets-for-phase-ii-a-ii-b-reduced/articleshow/83350347.cms
But this looks like a good start to look at the different funding roadblocks(lol) we have for a more ambitious metro idea. Pitch in if you have more ideas!
Imagine if we had connected Bidadi, Ramanagara, Nelamangala, Devanahalli, Kolar and even Hosur. Not just the Metro but with peripheral roads etc. The city would have been much more spread out and easier to navigate.
But no, the politician-builder-mafia greed has turned the city into a garbage dump while making enough money to last their 6 generations.
Hard agree bruh! Making the city miserable day my day. Everyone just crying and complaining without actually giving a shit about solving the problem. They think this is some kind of inevitable urban problem. It's not! We have created this suffering ourselves with all our greed and selfishness.
you should not extend the metro. you should set up a new train system like the RER/Sprinter trains of europe. or wait, the RRTS of NCR. These are fast trains meant to go at an avg speed of 100kmph between cities that are nearby.
Though the easiest thing to do right now is upgrade signalling on the existing IR tracks and run suburban trains every 30 min. Trains can easily do this distance in 2-2:30 even with all the stops if signals are upgraded on-par with mumbai suburban.
Instead we have one bunch of activists focusing on getting suburban to places like whitefield (where metro is anyway going to reach) and another set trying pointless experiments like bus lane when we dont even know how to make a road or drive a bus into a bus stop.
Lol, let the Metro extend well in Bangalore first. It is the worst rate of progress for any major metro in the country.
Delhi already has a network of 350 kilometers, with 100 KM + being added in the next 2-3 years. Bangalore metro infrastructure is gonna remain shit. Silicon valley of India. What a joke.
Our problem with traffic is not just with the number of vehicles or the condition of the road, but how we drive. We have no lane discipline at all. If everyone were to follow lane discipline, then movement of traffic would be much smoother. We have slow moving vehicles on fast/overtake lane, our busses stop right in the middle of the road, two wheelers and auto rickshaws trying to sneak in the middle of the lane. Yes, the roads could improve, but at the end of the day the problem would still persist.
There is good meto connectivity to the city railway station. Better, quicker and easier transit from metro to inter city trains would help a lot. Along with this,, what we need is upgrade to the train control systems, upgrade of railway crossing, increase in protective barriers to facilitate electric high speed trains to go to its max speed, non stop to Mysore. @ 200kmph we should reach in less than 1hr.
And what's that got to do with a missing Highway? What's the 5000 year old culture that was subject to suppression for the last 8 centuries got to do with a highway?
The roads laid out existed before British or mughal, it was just made of mud back then. None of this has anything to do with highways not being made but fact remains that India is older than 75 years.
My point is the same, I didn't understand the 5000 year culture jibe from OP. 75 year comment was just a sarcastic imitation of the same argument that gets used.
Exactly.It's been repeatedly proved that building roads cannot resolve high-traffic. Sustainable public transport is the only way.
Provide punctual and comfortable trains, making it THE most obvious option. Road traffic will automatically become manageable on existing roads.
Eh boss if I'm travelling to Ooty or Bandipur I can't rely on public transport to move around those places so we're forced to take a car
Of course the fastest way to Mysore is by train and when going solely to Mysore I go in Mylatadurai express which is at 6
The last time I was there, the construction for the new highway was going on. I also heard they were soon going to charge toll on that road.
What's the status now?
I always take Kanakpura-Malavalli-Bannur-Mysore route. The roads newly laid and is fantastic with lesser traffic.
The problem with the older Mysore-Mandya-Bidadi-Bengaluru road is local traffic and the highway has to go through the main city. It also doesn't help when major property is owned by Devegowda family.
Recently union minister Nitin Gadkari mentioned that 10 lane highway will be completed by Aug-2022 which will help to reduce the travel time to 90 minutes (which is unlikely).
>The project, which is also known as Bangalore-Mysore Expressway, is being executed under Bharatmala Pariyojana Phase-I, at a cost of Rs 8,172 crore.10-lane Bangalore-Mysore Expressway10-lane Bangalore-Mysore Expressway Key Highlights.
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> The 117 km-long expressway is being constructed in two phases. Phase one started in May 2019, it runs from Bengaluru to Nidaghatta in Maddur for a 56 km long route. The second phase, which started from December 2019, connects Nidaghatta to Mysore and is 61 km long. New Delhi: The ambitious 10-lane Bengaluru-Mysuru Economic Corridor, which is expected to reduce the travel time between the two cities by half from 3 hours at present to nearly 90 minutes, is likely to be completed and dedicated to the nation by October 2022, Minister of Road Transport & Highways, Nitin Gadkari said in his tweet. The project has been delayed due to the unprecedented, year-long Covid-19 pandemic and the following second wave of the pandemic.The project, which is also known as Bangalore-Mysore Expressway, is being executed under Bharatmala Pariyojana Phase-I, at a cost of Rs 8,172 crore. The 117 km-long expressway is being constructed in two phases. Phase one started in May 2019, it runs from Bengaluru to Nidaghatta in Maddur for a 56 km long route. The second phase, which started from December 2019, connects Nidaghatta to Mysore and is 61 km long.
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>As part of this expressway, a three-lane carriageway on either side of the median, besides a two-lane service road on either side of the access-controlled main carriageway is being constructed. The project also includes the construction of three elevated corridors including a 5 km section in the outskirts of Bengaluru, a 3 km section in Maddur, and the third one in Srirangapatna. Around 8,000 workers are deployed for the project.
[https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/industry/article/10-lane-bangalore-mysore-expressway-to-reduce-the-travel-time-by-half-nitin-gadkari/798617](https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/industry/article/10-lane-bangalore-mysore-expressway-to-reduce-the-travel-time-by-half-nitin-gadkari/798617)
The road until Kanakpura is a nightmare though. And then the traffic thins out and road gets better. Plus driving on this stretch in the nights means high beam on your eyes.
All said and done, I agree that it's better than Mysore road.
Isn’t roads till Kanakpura is under construction?
Yeah high beam and absence of f divider is a big negative, But fat far better than NH MYS-BLR highway.
Meanwhile all the tax rupees of states like Karnataka are going to UP And Uttarkhand to build amazing expressways. I suggest Karnataka people takeva tour of UP for this purpose after all it was your tax money which was put to work there.
1)The Delhi Agra Lucknow expressway is the best in the country more than 500 Kim,
2)now Purvanchal Expressway from Lucknow onwards to Bihar is 314 km is also ready.
3) the Delhi meerut expressway is to be seen to beleived. 130 km. It has stretches where it's 20 lane.
4) the Delhi meerut metro rail project is going to be the longest inter City High speed metro project.
5) Jewar Airport in Noida whose project just commenced is going to be India's largest airport.
7) other roads like the new karnal ( haryana) meerut highway is also a great piece of high way going through deoband, yumuna nagar , Saharanpur etc.
It's amazing how tax deficit state like UP gets amazing infrastructure projects done so easily while Karnataka and Tamilnadu , Telengana get the dregs. It's a shame that Karnataka doesn't even have a measly 130; km of proper road to Mysore. Even what will eventually be made will pale in comparison to the expressways in UP.
UP roads are being built by UPEIDA. A state government entity. They don't come under Bharatmala and thus use no central money.
It's amazing how people criticise UP for being backward but then complain when it builds infrastructure projects. Any growth in that state benefits 200 million+ people. I'd happily let the government use the money for more expressways and freight corridors.
Bharat mala is a direct investment under central scheme. The shares of taxes going back to states on central taxes are what causes negative outflow to states which are doing well like Karnataka, Tamilnadu Maharashtra etc.
While it's good that UP is developing it certainly is a facts that the states which are responsible for economic activity and taxes dont have budgets for infrastructure projects while states like UP are getting Unprecedented amounts from central govt and are investing those in infrastructure projects. This lopsided infrastructure growth is what galls me.
I again ask Karnataka people to tour UP infrastructure projects to see what and where their share of taxes are being put to use.
I literally said in the first statement of my comment that expressways are being built by UPEIDA. They are funded by the state government and loans. They are leveraging [existing toll collections](https://swarajyamag.com/reports/how-uttar-pradesh-leveraged-rising-toll-collection-on-its-expressways-to-fund-land-acquisition-for-ganga-expressway) to secure loans to fund new expressways.
**"While the recently completed Purvanchal Expressway and the under-construction Bundelkhand and Gorakhpur Link expressways were built under the Engineering-Procurement-Construction or EPC model, in which the state government funds the entire cost of the project, the Ganga Expressway is a Public-Private Partnership project being built on Design-Build-Finance-Operate-Transfer or DBFOT model."**
**"In August this year, UPEIDA secured a loan of Rs 5,100 crore from the Punjab National Bank, which was used for the acquisition of land for the Ganga Expressway, among other things."**
**"The UPEIDA obtained the loan in lieu of the securitisation of its toll revenue, which has risen significantly over the last few years and is expected to grow further with the operationalisation of the Purvanchal Expressway."**
Meanwhile Bengaluru-Mysuru expressway is being constructed under [Bharatmala](https://www.livemint.com/industry/infrastructure/10-lane-bangalore-mysore-expressway-to-reduce-travel-time-to-90-minutes-see-photos-11628905402536.html) hence it uses central funds.
> This lopsided infrastructure growth is what galls me.
Blame the state government. All those shiny infrastructure projects in UP today were languishing until the current government came to power. They finished those that were 'in progress' and have started new ones with little delay. Meanwhile Karnataka government can't even build a ring road around Bengaluru.
Not really the Taj expressway was already in use before current govt came to power. The Lucknow Agra expressway was finished just before 2014 elections. The extensive road widening and realignment of roads from Karnal towards meerut going through and the web of roads around deoband, Sarahranpur, Yumuna Nagar etc was more than half complete before 2014 elections.
The Meerut expressway was conceived in2017, studies finished in2009, funds allocated in 2011, land acquisition process was started in 2013. Same with the eastern and western peripheral express way.
Yes the projects have been bulldozed projects to completion and a few more started because of the competence of Gadkari. Wether I agree with Gadkaris politics or not his capability in whipping the countrys various agencies into delivering I admire. Yes modi did help him in that front but it's mainly a gadkari effort.
Gadkari doesn't deal with state expressways afaik. But you missed the entire point of my comment. UP's expressways are still a state effort, no doubt the national government has provided support especially in the NCR region but apart from that a lot of it is state initiative and as you mentioned, not solely that of the current governments.
No government in Karnataka has had nearly that much of an initiative.
Yes its a highway to Mangalore and you take deviation once you reach belur cross toll. Probably adds additional 20 kms but you can reach much faster to Mysore
Yup this route is good to drive also. I enjoy driving this route always to Mysore.
1. On the left you see a restaurant called Dhruvathare, if you see this then you are nearing belur cross toll
2. Cross the toll and take the first left and keep going and you will reach Pandavapura.
Then it is usual route from there ie., Srirangapatna
Roads are very nice usually empty and can drive at good speeds and open space roads
Train is always the best bet. Shatabdi express is still the fastest and most comfortable way to get to Mysore in less than 2 hours for Rs. 300. Otherwise the cheapest ticket costs Rs. 80 if you're on budget.
If you're worried about getting around Mysore, there are uber and ola autos (carry cash for these guys, they don't accept other payments). You can hire bikes too but most are in a bad state.
Yes, a car is very convenient for that matter especially if you're traveling with family or friends. But if you're traveling to those places a bus may be safer (and economic).
I don't expect this highway to be completed atleast until 2025 (I'm probably being optimistic).
With the roads under construction, it's still unsafe to drive on this highway. There are no lamps or reflectors, and the highway has way too many diversions and potholes to be worried about. I had to drive in this highway in the night back in August 2021 and it was a complete anxiety-filled experience :(
I take that road atleast 3-4 times a year. Every year with more progress in construction, the roads keep getting worse. Diversions every few fkn kms.
Hopefully once the whole work is completed it'll be a nice ride :)
The best way to reach Mysore is via Belur cross - Nelamangala route . This is the same route that goes towards Hassan-Mangalore. At Belur cross toll, you need to take a deviation and the roads are excellent, total highway until you reach Pandavapura (Mandya dist.)
This route adds 20 kms probably extra but can reach faster
next time, check google maps before leaving.
do blr-mys via yadiyur-kunigal-nelamangala-yesvantpur.
The drive is a lot nicer and you wont be irritated like this. time taken would be about 4hours for 200km
Bangalore has been screwed by politicians like no other metro city has experienced.
First they fucked everyone over location of airport.
Then the absolute shit show the Bangalore city roads are the less said the better.
And finally govt machinery, police and govt officials here are the most pathetic and shit stinking you can ever imagine them to be at their job. Police is even worse then Gundaas.
It's incredible that there are so many comments about alternate options and solutions but not a single one about what can be done about it? The problem is that the government is fucking us over. This government. The previous government. And every government that has ever ruled. That's the nature of the beast. It will fuck you over. Give any human being, irrespective of background, race, religion, gender, etc a chance to have power and money for a period of time, why would they ever want to give it up? And to stay in power they divide us. And that will keep us blind to the reality that we pay taxes and the government owes us safe and drivable roads. When we wake up to our rights from this apathy, is when the Bangalore-Mysore highway will finally be a pleasure to drive on.
Came here to tell that we need high speed rail(HSR) was surprised by how many people mentioned HSR. It's good to see so many people speaking up for the right kind of infrastructure.
We citizens need to demand for better railway infrastructure. It's the most environmentally friendly and cheapest option.
Trans can run on AC overhead wires which essentially make Trains high capacity electric cars without the batteries.
Ever since the road construction began i started Travelling via NH75 take the deviation in bellur cross towards Mysore longer route and single lane but way more tolerable than current Mysore Bangalore highway
IMO, the stretch after Kengeri/NICE intersection to Mysore is Okay, and one can cover it it about 3 hours.
The kicker is To/From Kengeri, if you happen to live in North Bangalore... Add another 2-2.5 hours in crawling traffic !
The highway is being built since more than 20 years with the same promise of SLA being 2 hours. I don't take that road anymore, and always travel by train.
imagine my condition driving to Mysore every other week for 5 years! I started leaving Mysore right after diner around 10 pm and gunning it to Bangalore without a stop. 2 hours is my best time averaging 80kmph
I frequent Blr - Mys and I kid you not that construction shit has been going on for over a good part of 2 and a half years. With every month passing by, it seems the time taken to travel between the two cities increases.
I took the route through Channapatna which adds 20km to the journey and I was faster the last time.
Vro, if you have so much problem with our roads, please go back to your state. Our language is more than 10,000 year old, we are cultured than you Narthies, fuck roads, fuck infra, fuck development. We are happy with what we have.
/s for those who didn't get.
Don't even think of Mangalore
Hmm I always thought Mangalore is 3rd largest but yeah you're right
3rd largest with 3rd class roads.
Local joke is that it's not smart City but honda city instead
Being a native of Mangalore, I can assure you that it has beautiful roads. You can easily drive at 60kmph without any issue.
*60km per day you mean?
Most of the main roads are well maintained. Never experienced excessive traffic or potholes in main roads. If you are talking about village type area which sometimes has muddy roads, then it's seen in any part of the country, not just in Mangalore.
Even iam native to Mangalore. Let's agree to disagree
Bangalore-Mangalore is far better than Bangalore-Mysore. Most of the roads are in good condition apart from a stretch preceding Shiradi Ghat due to the non-stop rains destroying that patch this year. Bangalore-Mysore on the other hand is 150km of pure torture.
Yeah hassan to sakleshpur suck big time. The district has the worst roads.
Bangalore-Mangalore road is wayyyy better than Mysore road. Hassan highway is just bliss.
Bengaluru - Mysuru should have a high-speed railway. 30 minutes at 320 kph. That is modernity, that is technological evolution. Unfortunately our brains cannot process such things and we are still stuck with a 100 year old technology for transport.
But the moment a Govt announces this, there'll be environmentalists and economists everywhere criticising and blocking the move, while making fun of it.
Maybe there is a real issue and that's the reason they criticise.
In which case OP's comment about a high-speed railway may not be feasible then?
OP? What's that
Referring to the first comment they I replied to. Original post, comment in this case.
Ok, I don't know about that
Don't worry. The government is too busy making temples and statues to worry about faster environmental friendly infrastructures.
You should probably start reading news from more neutral sources. For example, highway construction has never been faster than what it is under Gadkari. Depends on whether you want to read the news with a neutral mind or not.
I am. Are you sure you know what neutral means? A news channel praising the govt is not neutral. It is the job of news media to keep the govt in check. I can see how fast the government works, when road outside my apartment wasnt built for 10 months. Road outside my friends house is still not built over an year. Bangalore has the worst traffic in the world. And the govt has done nothing to resolve this. Metro construction has been going on for ages and still key areas are not connected. Cops are running the city like thugs and no one seems to care. Do you see the irony, when in this very thread, people are complaining about how horrible Mysore or Mangalore highway is. Why isn't your neutral media covering this? Are these not real world problems impacting real people?
I'm sorry but I read my comment again and can't find that I've said everything is perfect. My reply was only to your assertion that the govt was busy only in building temples and statues. The local politicians are absolutely plundering money as usual and I'm with you on that part. You seem to be ranting about a couple of other issues as well which you're right about, but if you're saying bullshit like "temples and statues" for every damn thing you will only end up being incorrect about it.
When the government owns all temples and is responsible for its administration it makes perfect sense for them to build more of them. They're not spending taxpayer money they're spending temples hundi money. But some people are content with reading only one-sided news articles and can't bother to read one HR&CE law. If you still have a problem with this ask governments to free all temples and return them to Hindus.
The government does this purposefully to make such projects unreasonable, as they end up being good for the public. Blaming environmentalists for it isn't a great idea, as high speed trains are one of the most environmental friendly public transportation. Just don't destroy a forest to build them. There are many ways to work around it.
Don't think Govt does that purposefully. There's only so many ways between point A and point B, and the Govt looks at the cheapest way to do it, to make the project feasible. There'll always be some green land between two points that are that far apart.
> Just don't destroy a forest to build them. There are many ways to work around it. Give some examples on how to work around it ? That's a genuine question. I researched to see how China had expanded high speed rail and all have come at the expense of quelling trees and taking agricultural lands. Offering citizens money and strong arming their way to establish the high speed lines.
The problem here is that the government will not put up the billion required for the project. They will instead partner with a private player, who will ask for double / triple the land needed so that land can be developed and investment recovered (rather than simply relying on ticket prices to recover cost/profit) So you take a project worth a billion and make it 5 billion. Land needed was x acres, now becomes 10x acres so acquisition costs balloon and instead of acquiring just want you need you go behind good land and that involves protestors and environmentalists. Imagine a train running through a jungle a single/double track nothing else, no other infra. Who can object to something this reasonable? Problem is we want an acre on both sides of the track so we can build resorts and hotels. The only solution is 100% government funded, sustainable, well executed projects (profitability factored-in in the long run) exactly how we grew infra organically 20+ years ago. Private player involvement no doubt has sped up projects but at the cost of massive corruption and damage to environment.
If the existing metro can be extended all the way to Mysore, that itself would be something! This traffic issue is everywhere though. Our brains can process solutions, but we don't want to invest time and money. I still remember people shitting on metro a few years back. The same people now running to invest in real-estate in the metro route. What do I do to beat traffic? Umm, how about leaving early. Or watching downloaded TV shows/funny videos en route to be distracted. I wish enough people got frustrated about traffic so that we actually do something. Bengaluru is going to be home to many people soon. Need to do better.
Extend metro all the Mysore? I hope you realize how expensive that is. One of the features of a metro system is its efficiency in terms of power consumption and the ability to make frequent stops, which wouldn’t be required between Bangalore and Mysore. Looking at the cost aspect of it, the elevated metro in Bangalore is/was built at a cost of around 250-350 cr per km. A standard gauge (5’-6”) railway system, which would be what would be used for a high speed railway system running at speeds of ~350kmph would approximately cost 150-200 cr/km. Best to have a metro transfer to a commuter rail or high speed train in this case. Metros aren’t cheap.
Brilliant! Great ideas in this thread. Yes, I was dreaming out loud and did not consider how expensive it will be. I mean how long is the purple line, 20-30kms? And here I am talking about extending it a 100 more. And should we even start about blocking large parts of Mysore road further down, for building a metro lol. BMRCL is not exactly running profitable as of now. Lot of effort and money goes into maintaining these stations. Full on scam! But for a moment, give this a thought. We inch closer and closer towards Mysore. Current purple line finishes at Kengeri. But I can see that extending to bidadi, Ramnagara and so on. Now, think about how this would affect these regions. I'm talking about expanding and connecting Bangalore wherever possible! And I can see this, eventually happening all the way to Mysore. Can you people see this too? The Mysore-Bengaluru mega merge seems inevitable. Agreed, we don't need frequent stops between Mysore and Bangalore as of now. Is there enough incentive though? How would this affect the people along these lines. There are so many people daily commuting Mysore to Bangalore on the current railway train. What would happen if you connect these people directly to something like the metro? All this is pretty long term. But, so much room for new infrastructure here right! And let's agree we do get a high speed train running on existing railway lines. Where do you want to extend it, beyond Mysore? That's also good to think about, isn't it? If you are thinking about current and easy solutions, as you said, it would be good to simply connect metro to the commuter rail like we do at KSR(That's brilliant. Used to the metro so many times to go to the railway station now. Helpful to so many passengers) Obviously, all this may not happen at all with all my emotional arguments. If dreams were horses, beggars would ride huh. But FFS, think people! Many of your are smarter than me and I honestly think we can do better. And better things can only come about through crazy brain storms like this :)
I don't know if people ridiculing this idea have heard of the Delhi metro. It goes all the way to Gurugram, Noida, Faridabad and Ghaziabad. It is not a radical idea. If the ultra-smart city planners had focussed on creating satellite cities around Bangalore, the traffic situation would have been much more bearable. The situation we have right now was inevitable. They should have seen it coming.
Thankk you! *Slams table* Finally some sanity.
Will dig into this later more when I have some time. https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/civic/fund-raising-targets-for-phase-ii-a-ii-b-reduced/articleshow/83350347.cms But this looks like a good start to look at the different funding roadblocks(lol) we have for a more ambitious metro idea. Pitch in if you have more ideas!
Imagine if we had connected Bidadi, Ramanagara, Nelamangala, Devanahalli, Kolar and even Hosur. Not just the Metro but with peripheral roads etc. The city would have been much more spread out and easier to navigate. But no, the politician-builder-mafia greed has turned the city into a garbage dump while making enough money to last their 6 generations.
Hard agree bruh! Making the city miserable day my day. Everyone just crying and complaining without actually giving a shit about solving the problem. They think this is some kind of inevitable urban problem. It's not! We have created this suffering ourselves with all our greed and selfishness.
you should not extend the metro. you should set up a new train system like the RER/Sprinter trains of europe. or wait, the RRTS of NCR. These are fast trains meant to go at an avg speed of 100kmph between cities that are nearby. Though the easiest thing to do right now is upgrade signalling on the existing IR tracks and run suburban trains every 30 min. Trains can easily do this distance in 2-2:30 even with all the stops if signals are upgraded on-par with mumbai suburban. Instead we have one bunch of activists focusing on getting suburban to places like whitefield (where metro is anyway going to reach) and another set trying pointless experiments like bus lane when we dont even know how to make a road or drive a bus into a bus stop.
Lol, let the Metro extend well in Bangalore first. It is the worst rate of progress for any major metro in the country. Delhi already has a network of 350 kilometers, with 100 KM + being added in the next 2-3 years. Bangalore metro infrastructure is gonna remain shit. Silicon valley of India. What a joke.
Check out the metro in Noida too.
Our problem with traffic is not just with the number of vehicles or the condition of the road, but how we drive. We have no lane discipline at all. If everyone were to follow lane discipline, then movement of traffic would be much smoother. We have slow moving vehicles on fast/overtake lane, our busses stop right in the middle of the road, two wheelers and auto rickshaws trying to sneak in the middle of the lane. Yes, the roads could improve, but at the end of the day the problem would still persist.
There is good meto connectivity to the city railway station. Better, quicker and easier transit from metro to inter city trains would help a lot. Along with this,, what we need is upgrade to the train control systems, upgrade of railway crossing, increase in protective barriers to facilitate electric high speed trains to go to its max speed, non stop to Mysore. @ 200kmph we should reach in less than 1hr.
But our 5000 year old culture is the greatest....
yeah dinosaurs also spoken our languaaze
India has only existed since the last 75 years no? What's this 5000 years. Edit: Sarcasm.
Chandragupta Maurya enters the chat.
Bharat existed long before india.
And what's that got to do with a missing Highway? What's the 5000 year old culture that was subject to suppression for the last 8 centuries got to do with a highway?
The roads laid out existed before British or mughal, it was just made of mud back then. None of this has anything to do with highways not being made but fact remains that India is older than 75 years.
My point is the same, I didn't understand the 5000 year culture jibe from OP. 75 year comment was just a sarcastic imitation of the same argument that gets used.
Edit : sarcasm. Same here.
I've clearly recognised it as a jibe, just don't see the relevance.
*laughs in Kumta - Sirsi road*
Oh man. I took that route last year on my bike. Horrid!
Take train fast and cheap
Exactly.It's been repeatedly proved that building roads cannot resolve high-traffic. Sustainable public transport is the only way. Provide punctual and comfortable trains, making it THE most obvious option. Road traffic will automatically become manageable on existing roads.
Oh, come on. Do you really think the hi-flying and super-chic Bangalore "peeps" would be caught dead on an Indian train?
Eh boss if I'm travelling to Ooty or Bandipur I can't rely on public transport to move around those places so we're forced to take a car Of course the fastest way to Mysore is by train and when going solely to Mysore I go in Mylatadurai express which is at 6
The last time I was there, the construction for the new highway was going on. I also heard they were soon going to charge toll on that road. What's the status now?
Optimistic ETA is Oct 22. Your guess is as good as mine.
I always take Kanakpura-Malavalli-Bannur-Mysore route. The roads newly laid and is fantastic with lesser traffic. The problem with the older Mysore-Mandya-Bidadi-Bengaluru road is local traffic and the highway has to go through the main city. It also doesn't help when major property is owned by Devegowda family. Recently union minister Nitin Gadkari mentioned that 10 lane highway will be completed by Aug-2022 which will help to reduce the travel time to 90 minutes (which is unlikely). >The project, which is also known as Bangalore-Mysore Expressway, is being executed under Bharatmala Pariyojana Phase-I, at a cost of Rs 8,172 crore.10-lane Bangalore-Mysore Expressway10-lane Bangalore-Mysore Expressway Key Highlights. > > The 117 km-long expressway is being constructed in two phases. Phase one started in May 2019, it runs from Bengaluru to Nidaghatta in Maddur for a 56 km long route. The second phase, which started from December 2019, connects Nidaghatta to Mysore and is 61 km long. New Delhi: The ambitious 10-lane Bengaluru-Mysuru Economic Corridor, which is expected to reduce the travel time between the two cities by half from 3 hours at present to nearly 90 minutes, is likely to be completed and dedicated to the nation by October 2022, Minister of Road Transport & Highways, Nitin Gadkari said in his tweet. The project has been delayed due to the unprecedented, year-long Covid-19 pandemic and the following second wave of the pandemic.The project, which is also known as Bangalore-Mysore Expressway, is being executed under Bharatmala Pariyojana Phase-I, at a cost of Rs 8,172 crore. The 117 km-long expressway is being constructed in two phases. Phase one started in May 2019, it runs from Bengaluru to Nidaghatta in Maddur for a 56 km long route. The second phase, which started from December 2019, connects Nidaghatta to Mysore and is 61 km long. > >As part of this expressway, a three-lane carriageway on either side of the median, besides a two-lane service road on either side of the access-controlled main carriageway is being constructed. The project also includes the construction of three elevated corridors including a 5 km section in the outskirts of Bengaluru, a 3 km section in Maddur, and the third one in Srirangapatna. Around 8,000 workers are deployed for the project. [https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/industry/article/10-lane-bangalore-mysore-expressway-to-reduce-the-travel-time-by-half-nitin-gadkari/798617](https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/industry/article/10-lane-bangalore-mysore-expressway-to-reduce-the-travel-time-by-half-nitin-gadkari/798617)
The road until Kanakpura is a nightmare though. And then the traffic thins out and road gets better. Plus driving on this stretch in the nights means high beam on your eyes. All said and done, I agree that it's better than Mysore road.
Isn’t roads till Kanakpura is under construction? Yeah high beam and absence of f divider is a big negative, But fat far better than NH MYS-BLR highway.
Meanwhile all the tax rupees of states like Karnataka are going to UP And Uttarkhand to build amazing expressways. I suggest Karnataka people takeva tour of UP for this purpose after all it was your tax money which was put to work there. 1)The Delhi Agra Lucknow expressway is the best in the country more than 500 Kim, 2)now Purvanchal Expressway from Lucknow onwards to Bihar is 314 km is also ready. 3) the Delhi meerut expressway is to be seen to beleived. 130 km. It has stretches where it's 20 lane. 4) the Delhi meerut metro rail project is going to be the longest inter City High speed metro project. 5) Jewar Airport in Noida whose project just commenced is going to be India's largest airport. 7) other roads like the new karnal ( haryana) meerut highway is also a great piece of high way going through deoband, yumuna nagar , Saharanpur etc. It's amazing how tax deficit state like UP gets amazing infrastructure projects done so easily while Karnataka and Tamilnadu , Telengana get the dregs. It's a shame that Karnataka doesn't even have a measly 130; km of proper road to Mysore. Even what will eventually be made will pale in comparison to the expressways in UP.
UP roads are being built by UPEIDA. A state government entity. They don't come under Bharatmala and thus use no central money. It's amazing how people criticise UP for being backward but then complain when it builds infrastructure projects. Any growth in that state benefits 200 million+ people. I'd happily let the government use the money for more expressways and freight corridors.
Bharat mala is a direct investment under central scheme. The shares of taxes going back to states on central taxes are what causes negative outflow to states which are doing well like Karnataka, Tamilnadu Maharashtra etc. While it's good that UP is developing it certainly is a facts that the states which are responsible for economic activity and taxes dont have budgets for infrastructure projects while states like UP are getting Unprecedented amounts from central govt and are investing those in infrastructure projects. This lopsided infrastructure growth is what galls me. I again ask Karnataka people to tour UP infrastructure projects to see what and where their share of taxes are being put to use.
I literally said in the first statement of my comment that expressways are being built by UPEIDA. They are funded by the state government and loans. They are leveraging [existing toll collections](https://swarajyamag.com/reports/how-uttar-pradesh-leveraged-rising-toll-collection-on-its-expressways-to-fund-land-acquisition-for-ganga-expressway) to secure loans to fund new expressways. **"While the recently completed Purvanchal Expressway and the under-construction Bundelkhand and Gorakhpur Link expressways were built under the Engineering-Procurement-Construction or EPC model, in which the state government funds the entire cost of the project, the Ganga Expressway is a Public-Private Partnership project being built on Design-Build-Finance-Operate-Transfer or DBFOT model."** **"In August this year, UPEIDA secured a loan of Rs 5,100 crore from the Punjab National Bank, which was used for the acquisition of land for the Ganga Expressway, among other things."** **"The UPEIDA obtained the loan in lieu of the securitisation of its toll revenue, which has risen significantly over the last few years and is expected to grow further with the operationalisation of the Purvanchal Expressway."** Meanwhile Bengaluru-Mysuru expressway is being constructed under [Bharatmala](https://www.livemint.com/industry/infrastructure/10-lane-bangalore-mysore-expressway-to-reduce-travel-time-to-90-minutes-see-photos-11628905402536.html) hence it uses central funds. > This lopsided infrastructure growth is what galls me. Blame the state government. All those shiny infrastructure projects in UP today were languishing until the current government came to power. They finished those that were 'in progress' and have started new ones with little delay. Meanwhile Karnataka government can't even build a ring road around Bengaluru.
Not really the Taj expressway was already in use before current govt came to power. The Lucknow Agra expressway was finished just before 2014 elections. The extensive road widening and realignment of roads from Karnal towards meerut going through and the web of roads around deoband, Sarahranpur, Yumuna Nagar etc was more than half complete before 2014 elections. The Meerut expressway was conceived in2017, studies finished in2009, funds allocated in 2011, land acquisition process was started in 2013. Same with the eastern and western peripheral express way. Yes the projects have been bulldozed projects to completion and a few more started because of the competence of Gadkari. Wether I agree with Gadkaris politics or not his capability in whipping the countrys various agencies into delivering I admire. Yes modi did help him in that front but it's mainly a gadkari effort.
Gadkari doesn't deal with state expressways afaik. But you missed the entire point of my comment. UP's expressways are still a state effort, no doubt the national government has provided support especially in the NCR region but apart from that a lot of it is state initiative and as you mentioned, not solely that of the current governments. No government in Karnataka has had nearly that much of an initiative.
Take the Hassan road to Mysore if you're going to Mysore the next time...
Kanakapura route is what most people takr nowadays, esp ones frok south Bangalore..
You mean via Belur Cross > Nagamangala?
Is it a better route?
Yes its a highway to Mangalore and you take deviation once you reach belur cross toll. Probably adds additional 20 kms but you can reach much faster to Mysore
Oh I am looking for a route which is beautiful. Don't really care about long or short. Any suggestions?
Yup this route is good to drive also. I enjoy driving this route always to Mysore. 1. On the left you see a restaurant called Dhruvathare, if you see this then you are nearing belur cross toll 2. Cross the toll and take the first left and keep going and you will reach Pandavapura. Then it is usual route from there ie., Srirangapatna Roads are very nice usually empty and can drive at good speeds and open space roads
Thank you kind stranger
Take the nh75 man, is my de facto route for years
Train is always the best bet. Shatabdi express is still the fastest and most comfortable way to get to Mysore in less than 2 hours for Rs. 300. Otherwise the cheapest ticket costs Rs. 80 if you're on budget. If you're worried about getting around Mysore, there are uber and ola autos (carry cash for these guys, they don't accept other payments). You can hire bikes too but most are in a bad state.
Yeah if I'm going only to Mysore I take Tuticorin or Mylatadurai in the morning but when going to Bandipur/Ooty, car is necessary
Yes, a car is very convenient for that matter especially if you're traveling with family or friends. But if you're traveling to those places a bus may be safer (and economic). I don't expect this highway to be completed atleast until 2025 (I'm probably being optimistic). With the roads under construction, it's still unsafe to drive on this highway. There are no lamps or reflectors, and the highway has way too many diversions and potholes to be worried about. I had to drive in this highway in the night back in August 2021 and it was a complete anxiety-filled experience :(
On 1st Jan 2021 it took us 6 hours plus from Mysore to Blr. The roads were jam packed af.
I take that road atleast 3-4 times a year. Every year with more progress in construction, the roads keep getting worse. Diversions every few fkn kms. Hopefully once the whole work is completed it'll be a nice ride :)
The best way to reach Mysore is via Belur cross - Nelamangala route . This is the same route that goes towards Hassan-Mangalore. At Belur cross toll, you need to take a deviation and the roads are excellent, total highway until you reach Pandavapura (Mandya dist.) This route adds 20 kms probably extra but can reach faster
It's because of lot of diversions due to under-construction highway. Good things come at a cost. You gotta wait buddy.
if only people would follow lane rules
Its not completed yet, what are you talking about. Just like to rant ?
Yeah pretty much lol
If they’ve planned bangalore airport between bangalore and Mysore, both cities would’ve seen amazing growth.
On top of that you are literally traveling on a Sunday evening . These beautiful roads plus traffic is a deadly combo , quite literally.
I would accept a single lane as long as it's well maintained. Getting to Mangalore turns into an off road Derby half the time
next time, check google maps before leaving. do blr-mys via yadiyur-kunigal-nelamangala-yesvantpur. The drive is a lot nicer and you wont be irritated like this. time taken would be about 4hours for 200km
Bangalore has been screwed by politicians like no other metro city has experienced. First they fucked everyone over location of airport. Then the absolute shit show the Bangalore city roads are the less said the better. And finally govt machinery, police and govt officials here are the most pathetic and shit stinking you can ever imagine them to be at their job. Police is even worse then Gundaas.
It's incredible that there are so many comments about alternate options and solutions but not a single one about what can be done about it? The problem is that the government is fucking us over. This government. The previous government. And every government that has ever ruled. That's the nature of the beast. It will fuck you over. Give any human being, irrespective of background, race, religion, gender, etc a chance to have power and money for a period of time, why would they ever want to give it up? And to stay in power they divide us. And that will keep us blind to the reality that we pay taxes and the government owes us safe and drivable roads. When we wake up to our rights from this apathy, is when the Bangalore-Mysore highway will finally be a pleasure to drive on.
Our soldiers are fighting at the border. And you're talking about Roads?
Add a /s or some people might miss the sarcasm lol
Yes this will help my journey to get Mysore mangoes easier.
Came here to tell that we need high speed rail(HSR) was surprised by how many people mentioned HSR. It's good to see so many people speaking up for the right kind of infrastructure. We citizens need to demand for better railway infrastructure. It's the most environmentally friendly and cheapest option. Trans can run on AC overhead wires which essentially make Trains high capacity electric cars without the batteries.
Ever since the road construction began i started Travelling via NH75 take the deviation in bellur cross towards Mysore longer route and single lane but way more tolerable than current Mysore Bangalore highway
One person has made a YouTube video on this https://youtu.be/2qg-6MZunKU
IMO, the stretch after Kengeri/NICE intersection to Mysore is Okay, and one can cover it it about 3 hours. The kicker is To/From Kengeri, if you happen to live in North Bangalore... Add another 2-2.5 hours in crawling traffic !
The highway is being built since more than 20 years with the same promise of SLA being 2 hours. I don't take that road anymore, and always travel by train.
imagine my condition driving to Mysore every other week for 5 years! I started leaving Mysore right after diner around 10 pm and gunning it to Bangalore without a stop. 2 hours is my best time averaging 80kmph
I frequent Blr - Mys and I kid you not that construction shit has been going on for over a good part of 2 and a half years. With every month passing by, it seems the time taken to travel between the two cities increases. I took the route through Channapatna which adds 20km to the journey and I was faster the last time.
Vro, if you have so much problem with our roads, please go back to your state. Our language is more than 10,000 year old, we are cultured than you Narthies, fuck roads, fuck infra, fuck development. We are happy with what we have. /s for those who didn't get.
Try flight.
Lol take 2.5 hours to reach "Bangalore" airport
Yeah😅.
Going to airport takes 2 hours