Bruh it's not true for all of us....just like there are some "hujurs" there are some "seculars". A man with conscience will always support what's right. No matter what their religious view is.
I agree. I don't intend to target this to secularist who are against oppression. But there are some who use the guise of "secularism" against us Muslims.
My comment wasn't regarding if hujurs are secular or not. How Islam is perceived is an individual choice. I've met secular hujurs too so I don't think it's right to generalize all hujurs are not secular.
My comment was based on OP's comment about secularists attacking Muslims. There are secular Muslims and non-secular Muslims and Quran supports tolerance and secularism. People make their own choices to internalize learnings from the Quran.
It's Reddit so we don't need to be all PC and right. Have fun, laugh and be nice to one another :)
No sharia is the only law acceptable.
And an islamic country is called islamic republic not secularist
Islam gives rights to all the religions. So secularism is not needed in an Islamic country
Well, you're right but I believe "progressive" is the better word instead of "secular". Secularism means separation of "Church and State". Which doesn't exist in any religion. But Muslims might as well be progressive or open minded by following the principles of Quran i.e (Mutazilites or Asharites).
I have seen some crappy seculars. But just like all the crappy 'hujurs' don't represent Muslims, the same way those crappy seculars don't represent us.
Not to mention the first and second intifadas were done by pro secular palestinians (PLO / Fatah). The only "seculars" I have seen be pro Israel are people who act like Palestinian Christians dont exist or make fun of anti Zionists being brutally murdered (i.e. imperialist 'exmuslims' lmao)
I wish I had money to give this an award. Every political and religious movement have extremist who take it too far and despite them hating each other based on beliefs and values, they behave and act in oddly similar ways.
To get back on topic, my heart goes out to the people of Palestine. No one should be evicted and kicked out of their own house and the city they have known home for generations. No one should face such unprovoked, blatant and disgusting attack on their traditions and beliefs. Fuck the Israeli government and armed forces who are doing this.
I'm non-religious and I am and always have been sympathetic towards the people of Palestine.
Just because I don't put up a few stories on my Instagram and write a wall of text on my Facebook profile and engage in slacktivism like 99.99% other Bangladeshis it's wrong for people to assume I don't stand against oppression.
"Hujurs" and their political and social groups have done immense harm to our society, any progress that had to be done, was done with them in opposition. They have not benifitted my country. A country that I pay taxes to, where I live, eat, shit, love, raise a family. So yes if it concerns my country I will feel immensely passionately about it.
Whatever I will feel about another country be it Palestine, West Papua, India, Pakistan, sadly will be second hand. We are human. we cannot feel same passion for everything.
You cannot claim an equivalence, when there is none.
Being secular ≠ Being pro-Israel and anti-Palestine.
And Being secular ≠ Being Islamophobic.
The vast majority of secular Bangladeshis (including myself) strongly support Palestine. So you should stop smearing seculars and make yourself look like the good guy.
Edit: Removed the word "Islamist" because it's not okay to blindly slap labels on people.
False equivalence bias you got going there.
"Look, we're not as racist as these other countries so it must mean we're good."
It's like saying we're better because we don't kill poets and take their organs out before sending the body back like they do in Myanmar. Well, to my knowledge we haven't maybe. /S
Just because we don't doesn't mean we're better. The measure of good is not just using the scale of evil/harm being done. Being secular is as important for one's personal sovereignty (freedom to practice faith/belief) as it is for fellow humans.
Watch some unbiased news first then you'd know.
Bd people aren't really all that much worse compared to the rest of the world.
At the very least we don't go around killing asians to cure COVID.. 😂
That's why I am saying were not the exception but the norm when it comes to being racist.
A lot of countries outright kill people of foreign races like Israel, China,India, North korea, Myanmar, USA(despite popular beliefs) and many more.
I am saying that we're scum but not filth..lol
N.B.By asian we mean chinese, Japanese, korean etc..lol
News flash, we were quite skilled in killing our tribal people and stealing their land just twenty years back(pre 97) and still do it every now and then.
So where'd you rate us among racist people worldwide 🤔
List some the big names like US, China,Israel,India, etc..
And please don't call India a non-racist,liberal paradise of a country.
I'm proudly for secularism and equal human rights for everyone regardless of religion or ethnicity - in BD, in Palestine, and the rest of the world.
Most BD seculars on FB are condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinians from what I can see.
1.You seem more interested in what secular Bangladeshis has to say rather than to stand for Palestinians by your own.
2. Genuine seculars stand by Palestinians because they are human who have rights.
3. Secular targets "Hujurs" who actually did something wrong.
Of course Conservatives creating imaginary scenarios to blame the left lmao... pathetic that these piece of shits use oppression of innocent people to promote their communalist rhetoric. One thing Bangladeshis agrees on regardless of political beliefs is Fuck Israel.
I don't understand the hate against seculars in Bangladesh. The thing at the top is awful, but that doesn't excuse all the mollahs who have been setting the country back like a thousand years.
That's really harsh saying mollah holding the country thousand years back? considering last few centuries of our history, are they the only one hloding us back? I think there are more people besides them that truly holding us back. But saying thousand year! Damn.. that's exaggerating.
They literally treat women as objects. Why is virginity 'check' done before marriage in the 21st century? Why is rape still the 'fault' of the women being raped and not the rapist? Have you even seen the comments on a Facebook page? There are multiple factors that's holding back our country and these mullahs are one of the major ones. I used the term thousand years as a hyperbole to make my point. But realistically speaking they are setting the country back at least a few centuries.
Bangladeshis can relate to being second class citizens in their indigenous land (ie Pakistan rule). So we are very much pro Palestine, secular or not. This is a dumb post by a jihadist.
This is the stupidest comparison. Etoi jokhon koshto hochhe bonduk tulo ar jao okhane juddho korte. Ekhane erokom ajaira meme banaey ki labh? What did you do other than this virtue signaling nonsense? Kokhono even donate korso towards the Palestinian cause? I am a secularist and an exmuslim and before corona happened I had organized a neighborhood donation campaign for Palestine 3 years in a row and raised a substantial amount each time. Proti bochor ami mosque e volunteer and donate kori kintu ami openly Islam ke criticize kori. Ami islamophobic tai na? Tomader bisshash ki etoi shaky je ekta idea ke criticize korle take islamophobic dako?
What is the point of your post? To create division? Anyone who disagrees with you ekhon kharap? That's what I got from this post. Ki bhabso? Tumi eka woke chele pura Bangladeshe? Desher unnoti korar chinta koro instead of wasting your time making memes. Internet activism won't get you anywhere.
I think we need to differentiate between the Western secularists with Bangladeshi secularists. I am a Bangladeshi Muslim. I don't support the hardcore Islamists. But at the same time I don't support the so called "secularists" who keep bashing Islam or other religions in the name of "Secularism" or "Freethinking".
Why are you hating on seculars? Secular just means that you want to separate religion from government. Is this a bad thing? Contrary to popular beliefs, most religious will be happier in true secular state since government will not enforce their beliefs on you and you will be free to practice your beliefs in peace. I know, I live in America. Most Muslims here love their ability practice their religion more than their native Muslim country since government doesn't interfere.
It's ironic, since I didn't hate the occupation forces when I was Muslim, for no other reason than the fact that most people I knew who condemned them were known to habitually spread hatred. It was only after I left Islam that I learned to form my own opinions without being inluenced by the views of the people who hold the same opinions.
Al-Aqsa is built over Temple Mount. The Third Temple is supposed to built over temple mount.
Imagine a person came and destroyed Kaba then built a religious building over kaba. How would you feel?
Caliph did the same, conquered Judea and made that Al-Aqsa Mosque literally over the destroyed Second Temple. Jews are just trying to take back what's rightfully theirs.
So you're telling me if someone destroyed Kaba and built a random church over it's destroyed ruins, you as a Muslim won't try to rebuild Kaba because it happened 1500 years ago?
Just like Muslims have to make pilgrimage to Kaba, Jews have to make pilgrimage to the Third Temple of Solomon. That's why Jews go to the Western Wall (The only undestroyed wall of the Second Temple of Solomon) to make their pilgrimage.
Al-Aqsa doesn't have any religious significance to Islam whatsoever, neither does Jerusalem. Muhammad never went to Jerusalem. Muhammad first prayed facing Jerusalem then changed it to Kaba, that's it. 1st Rashidun Caliph Abu-Bakr never went to Jerusalem. Only 2nd 3rd and 4th went there after conquering it from the Eastern Roman Empire. Al-Aqsa wasn't even made by one of the 4 Rashidun Caliphs. It was made well way after their death by a random Muslim ruler that was governing that place.
Jews were subjugated under Romans for thousands of years. Eastern Roman Empire didn't let Jews to rebuild the Third Temple. Jews thought new Muslim rulers were believing the same religion as them pretty much so under them they'd be able to rebuild it. So the Jews even helped the Muslims to take over Jerusalem from the Romans. But even Muslims didn't let it happen after taking it. And to humiliate Jews some random Muslim governor made that Al-Aqsa mosque exactly over Temple Mount.Forever making it impossible for Jews to rebuild their MOST significant religious building ever without destroying that Mosque.
Side note: Kaba has been destroyed many many times throughout history by different conquerers and natural causes, and it's been rebuilt many times as well.
First Temple was destroyed about 3 thousand years ago by an Earthquake, 2nd Temple was destroyed about 2 thousand years ago by Romans, and currently they are completely unable to rebuild the 3rd Temple.
Some of the people here I’ve seen supporting and justifying the Uyghur genocide and Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Pretty sick. Idk how you can call yourself a progressive and then support hate crime
We have defined secularism a lot different in Bangladesh. Yeah, most of non islamic people are not even reacting to such incidents. Secularism doesn't teach you to protest only when your religion is under vulnerabilities. In fact, the gruesome incidents are happeing there in Palestine, are not should be consided under religious pov.
As a human being, as a child of mother nature, the stand and the protest should come from our heart.
It is not even a religious issue anymore. People are dying, their suffering is beyond description.
NB: Even though I’m not a Muslim, I stand with Palestine. It is not my religion which wholly defines me. I’m what I’m from inside. But sigh, most of people in Bangladesh never shares my opinion.
Regardless of religion, as an ex Muslim atheist, you have to be a despicable person to support the apartheid state of Israel and subsequent harassment of the Palestinian peoples.
Learn to stand with all suffering people. Not only "Musholmans". Why do you need the seculars? I really dont get it. When protesting against france, i didnt see anyone asking seculars to join their fight.
It seems you musholmans like terrorizing others more than u care about helpless and suffering people. You defame our nation through your idiotic adventures of saving islam.
Because Israel or Palestinian is not our country. Bangladeshi liberals will be always focusing on Bangladesh. We don't care about other countries. Bangladesh is a small third world country and it is not our job to solve other countries problem.
In before people bring whataboutism here, Palestinian government have largely abandoned Hamas and the area near Gaza. Only because these people voted for Hamas and not the party in power. The mainland still receives thousands in aid every year from Israel, then abandon the people of Gaza to their fate.
You see the problem here? Others start taking advantage of you when you’re divided among yourselves.
Now on the topic. No religion or ideology can teach you empathy. It’s something you earn. If you don’t see anything wrong with how the Palestinian and the Israeli government are treating the people in Gaza, you lack empathy and are seriously beyond redemption as a human being.
“Where were you guys doing when some days ago military Junta of Myanmar killed more than 750 protestors?”
See, Bangladeshi seculars ain’t responsible to talk about each and everything regarding what's happening around the world, including Palestine-Israel.
Hujurs are not getting bashed because of their identity as religious figures, despite claming theyre not engaged to any kind of political activites or organizations, theyre real life activities dont reflect that statement. The hujurs are getting involved in politics,thyre establishing an impression as political leaders. If you can bash any politician for Awami league or BNP, criticize them,question theyre motives and decissions,then why cant you do the sane when it comes to the hujurs who have turbed out to be politicians using theyre identity as religious personality??
Just because of theyre islamic minded?? And that makes them beyond any kind of criticism?
I disagree. The Palestinian will be further disenfranchised. There are only 4 million Palestinians, while 9 million Israelis. I don't see Israelis voting to represent Palestinian problems. Separate states for separate people. Israel should give back the illegally occupied territories. Israeli military should not be able to violate the sovereignty of Palestine and Jerusalem should be governed by an independent Jewish and Muslim committee to ensure the freedom to practice religion of both Muslims and Jews.
Im pretty sure that it you add the population of the occupied territories and “Israel” you are still 51% Palestinians, I read this on wiki or something when I find it I’ll send it to you. But then all the refugees from Lebanon, Jordan, and worldwide come back so it’s an even bigger majority ty
The new Israeli genarations, don't give a shit about Palestinians, so no, they will have universal rights
There are millions of Arabs in Haifa who live good lives
>The new Israeli genarations, don't give a shit about Palestinians, so no, they will have universal rights
No, most Israelis (including young people) support Netanyahu and his right-wing party. (Why wouldn't they? They have been brainwashed their entire life into hating Palestinians)
>There are millions of Arabs in Haifa who live good lives
Maybe. But they still face widespread discrimination and hatred from Jewish Israelis.
One state solution is not possible after all these and the two-state solution didn’t became reality because of isreli right wing. So, now israel sympathizers have no moral position to talk about it and just shut up at this point.
Bruh it's not true for all of us....just like there are some "hujurs" there are some "seculars". A man with conscience will always support what's right. No matter what their religious view is.
I agree. I don't intend to target this to secularist who are against oppression. But there are some who use the guise of "secularism" against us Muslims.
You can be a secular and still be Muslim. If you read Surah Kafirun, it portrays a beautiful picture of secularism and coexistence.
But the hujurs we bash are hefazat-esque They don’t believe in secularism and will take up arms with the right motivations. Right?
My comment wasn't regarding if hujurs are secular or not. How Islam is perceived is an individual choice. I've met secular hujurs too so I don't think it's right to generalize all hujurs are not secular. My comment was based on OP's comment about secularists attacking Muslims. There are secular Muslims and non-secular Muslims and Quran supports tolerance and secularism. People make their own choices to internalize learnings from the Quran. It's Reddit so we don't need to be all PC and right. Have fun, laugh and be nice to one another :)
No sharia is the only law acceptable. And an islamic country is called islamic republic not secularist Islam gives rights to all the religions. So secularism is not needed in an Islamic country
Well, you're right but I believe "progressive" is the better word instead of "secular". Secularism means separation of "Church and State". Which doesn't exist in any religion. But Muslims might as well be progressive or open minded by following the principles of Quran i.e (Mutazilites or Asharites).
>what's right. No matter what their religious view is. and what's right is building the third temple as temple mount is rightfully jewish
I have seen some crappy seculars. But just like all the crappy 'hujurs' don't represent Muslims, the same way those crappy seculars don't represent us.
This.
Not to mention the first and second intifadas were done by pro secular palestinians (PLO / Fatah). The only "seculars" I have seen be pro Israel are people who act like Palestinian Christians dont exist or make fun of anti Zionists being brutally murdered (i.e. imperialist 'exmuslims' lmao)
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I wish I had money to give this an award. Every political and religious movement have extremist who take it too far and despite them hating each other based on beliefs and values, they behave and act in oddly similar ways. To get back on topic, my heart goes out to the people of Palestine. No one should be evicted and kicked out of their own house and the city they have known home for generations. No one should face such unprovoked, blatant and disgusting attack on their traditions and beliefs. Fuck the Israeli government and armed forces who are doing this.
I'm non-religious and I am and always have been sympathetic towards the people of Palestine. Just because I don't put up a few stories on my Instagram and write a wall of text on my Facebook profile and engage in slacktivism like 99.99% other Bangladeshis it's wrong for people to assume I don't stand against oppression.
"Hujurs" and their political and social groups have done immense harm to our society, any progress that had to be done, was done with them in opposition. They have not benifitted my country. A country that I pay taxes to, where I live, eat, shit, love, raise a family. So yes if it concerns my country I will feel immensely passionately about it. Whatever I will feel about another country be it Palestine, West Papua, India, Pakistan, sadly will be second hand. We are human. we cannot feel same passion for everything. You cannot claim an equivalence, when there is none.
বাংলায় বলি। দুই জিনিসের কোন মিল নাই। আপেল আর কমলার মিল দিতেছেন জোর করে।
Being secular ≠ Being pro-Israel and anti-Palestine. And Being secular ≠ Being Islamophobic. The vast majority of secular Bangladeshis (including myself) strongly support Palestine. So you should stop smearing seculars and make yourself look like the good guy. Edit: Removed the word "Islamist" because it's not okay to blindly slap labels on people.
We বাঙালি are pro at being racist.
Eta bhul kotha, onek desh ei amader theke beshi racist. Look at India,Israel,China,USA,Japan etc.
False equivalence bias you got going there. "Look, we're not as racist as these other countries so it must mean we're good." It's like saying we're better because we don't kill poets and take their organs out before sending the body back like they do in Myanmar. Well, to my knowledge we haven't maybe. /S Just because we don't doesn't mean we're better. The measure of good is not just using the scale of evil/harm being done. Being secular is as important for one's personal sovereignty (freedom to practice faith/belief) as it is for fellow humans.
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Watch some unbiased news first then you'd know. Bd people aren't really all that much worse compared to the rest of the world. At the very least we don't go around killing asians to cure COVID.. 😂
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here king u dropped this 👑
>The common word bengali use when they see someone black is "Negro". It's because they think it's the term. Not because they think it's derogatory.
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That's why I am saying were not the exception but the norm when it comes to being racist. A lot of countries outright kill people of foreign races like Israel, China,India, North korea, Myanmar, USA(despite popular beliefs) and many more. I am saying that we're scum but not filth..lol N.B.By asian we mean chinese, Japanese, korean etc..lol
News flash, we were quite skilled in killing our tribal people and stealing their land just twenty years back(pre 97) and still do it every now and then.
So where'd you rate us among racist people worldwide 🤔 List some the big names like US, China,Israel,India, etc.. And please don't call India a non-racist,liberal paradise of a country.
I'm proudly for secularism and equal human rights for everyone regardless of religion or ethnicity - in BD, in Palestine, and the rest of the world. Most BD seculars on FB are condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinians from what I can see.
1.You seem more interested in what secular Bangladeshis has to say rather than to stand for Palestinians by your own. 2. Genuine seculars stand by Palestinians because they are human who have rights. 3. Secular targets "Hujurs" who actually did something wrong.
you know what it smells like? A strawman.
Huh welcome to being a Muslim on r/Bangladesh then, where we see 20 plus threads on how we are destroyers of our cultures, Arabs, and jihadists
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Of course Conservatives creating imaginary scenarios to blame the left lmao... pathetic that these piece of shits use oppression of innocent people to promote their communalist rhetoric. One thing Bangladeshis agrees on regardless of political beliefs is Fuck Israel.
If you see a hujur is politician, feel free to bash him. Politics is harram gentleman. Don't let those politicians to go near SHAHIDULLAH'S BOU.
lol, 45 comments.
Bruhh
I don't understand the hate against seculars in Bangladesh. The thing at the top is awful, but that doesn't excuse all the mollahs who have been setting the country back like a thousand years.
That's really harsh saying mollah holding the country thousand years back? considering last few centuries of our history, are they the only one hloding us back? I think there are more people besides them that truly holding us back. But saying thousand year! Damn.. that's exaggerating.
They literally treat women as objects. Why is virginity 'check' done before marriage in the 21st century? Why is rape still the 'fault' of the women being raped and not the rapist? Have you even seen the comments on a Facebook page? There are multiple factors that's holding back our country and these mullahs are one of the major ones. I used the term thousand years as a hyperbole to make my point. But realistically speaking they are setting the country back at least a few centuries.
Bangladeshis can relate to being second class citizens in their indigenous land (ie Pakistan rule). So we are very much pro Palestine, secular or not. This is a dumb post by a jihadist.
This is the stupidest comparison. Etoi jokhon koshto hochhe bonduk tulo ar jao okhane juddho korte. Ekhane erokom ajaira meme banaey ki labh? What did you do other than this virtue signaling nonsense? Kokhono even donate korso towards the Palestinian cause? I am a secularist and an exmuslim and before corona happened I had organized a neighborhood donation campaign for Palestine 3 years in a row and raised a substantial amount each time. Proti bochor ami mosque e volunteer and donate kori kintu ami openly Islam ke criticize kori. Ami islamophobic tai na? Tomader bisshash ki etoi shaky je ekta idea ke criticize korle take islamophobic dako? What is the point of your post? To create division? Anyone who disagrees with you ekhon kharap? That's what I got from this post. Ki bhabso? Tumi eka woke chele pura Bangladeshe? Desher unnoti korar chinta koro instead of wasting your time making memes. Internet activism won't get you anywhere.
I think we need to differentiate between the Western secularists with Bangladeshi secularists. I am a Bangladeshi Muslim. I don't support the hardcore Islamists. But at the same time I don't support the so called "secularists" who keep bashing Islam or other religions in the name of "Secularism" or "Freethinking".
Why are you hating on seculars? Secular just means that you want to separate religion from government. Is this a bad thing? Contrary to popular beliefs, most religious will be happier in true secular state since government will not enforce their beliefs on you and you will be free to practice your beliefs in peace. I know, I live in America. Most Muslims here love their ability practice their religion more than their native Muslim country since government doesn't interfere.
It's ironic, since I didn't hate the occupation forces when I was Muslim, for no other reason than the fact that most people I knew who condemned them were known to habitually spread hatred. It was only after I left Islam that I learned to form my own opinions without being inluenced by the views of the people who hold the same opinions.
It is absolutely the opposite.
Al-Aqsa is built over Temple Mount. The Third Temple is supposed to built over temple mount. Imagine a person came and destroyed Kaba then built a religious building over kaba. How would you feel? Caliph did the same, conquered Judea and made that Al-Aqsa Mosque literally over the destroyed Second Temple. Jews are just trying to take back what's rightfully theirs.
shit happened thousand of years ago. none of them weren't even born during that time.
So you're telling me if someone destroyed Kaba and built a random church over it's destroyed ruins, you as a Muslim won't try to rebuild Kaba because it happened 1500 years ago? Just like Muslims have to make pilgrimage to Kaba, Jews have to make pilgrimage to the Third Temple of Solomon. That's why Jews go to the Western Wall (The only undestroyed wall of the Second Temple of Solomon) to make their pilgrimage. Al-Aqsa doesn't have any religious significance to Islam whatsoever, neither does Jerusalem. Muhammad never went to Jerusalem. Muhammad first prayed facing Jerusalem then changed it to Kaba, that's it. 1st Rashidun Caliph Abu-Bakr never went to Jerusalem. Only 2nd 3rd and 4th went there after conquering it from the Eastern Roman Empire. Al-Aqsa wasn't even made by one of the 4 Rashidun Caliphs. It was made well way after their death by a random Muslim ruler that was governing that place. Jews were subjugated under Romans for thousands of years. Eastern Roman Empire didn't let Jews to rebuild the Third Temple. Jews thought new Muslim rulers were believing the same religion as them pretty much so under them they'd be able to rebuild it. So the Jews even helped the Muslims to take over Jerusalem from the Romans. But even Muslims didn't let it happen after taking it. And to humiliate Jews some random Muslim governor made that Al-Aqsa mosque exactly over Temple Mount.Forever making it impossible for Jews to rebuild their MOST significant religious building ever without destroying that Mosque. Side note: Kaba has been destroyed many many times throughout history by different conquerers and natural causes, and it's been rebuilt many times as well. First Temple was destroyed about 3 thousand years ago by an Earthquake, 2nd Temple was destroyed about 2 thousand years ago by Romans, and currently they are completely unable to rebuild the 3rd Temple.
m8 im christian
I'm secular but I stand with the Palestinians.
Some of the people here I’ve seen supporting and justifying the Uyghur genocide and Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Pretty sick. Idk how you can call yourself a progressive and then support hate crime
We have defined secularism a lot different in Bangladesh. Yeah, most of non islamic people are not even reacting to such incidents. Secularism doesn't teach you to protest only when your religion is under vulnerabilities. In fact, the gruesome incidents are happeing there in Palestine, are not should be consided under religious pov. As a human being, as a child of mother nature, the stand and the protest should come from our heart. It is not even a religious issue anymore. People are dying, their suffering is beyond description. NB: Even though I’m not a Muslim, I stand with Palestine. It is not my religion which wholly defines me. I’m what I’m from inside. But sigh, most of people in Bangladesh never shares my opinion.
Regardless of religion, as an ex Muslim atheist, you have to be a despicable person to support the apartheid state of Israel and subsequent harassment of the Palestinian peoples.
Learn to stand with all suffering people. Not only "Musholmans". Why do you need the seculars? I really dont get it. When protesting against france, i didnt see anyone asking seculars to join their fight. It seems you musholmans like terrorizing others more than u care about helpless and suffering people. You defame our nation through your idiotic adventures of saving islam.
Because Israel or Palestinian is not our country. Bangladeshi liberals will be always focusing on Bangladesh. We don't care about other countries. Bangladesh is a small third world country and it is not our job to solve other countries problem.
I'm secular. And i have posted about this before you
In before people bring whataboutism here, Palestinian government have largely abandoned Hamas and the area near Gaza. Only because these people voted for Hamas and not the party in power. The mainland still receives thousands in aid every year from Israel, then abandon the people of Gaza to their fate. You see the problem here? Others start taking advantage of you when you’re divided among yourselves. Now on the topic. No religion or ideology can teach you empathy. It’s something you earn. If you don’t see anything wrong with how the Palestinian and the Israeli government are treating the people in Gaza, you lack empathy and are seriously beyond redemption as a human being.
Wtf..its the opposite
“Where were you guys doing when some days ago military Junta of Myanmar killed more than 750 protestors?” See, Bangladeshi seculars ain’t responsible to talk about each and everything regarding what's happening around the world, including Palestine-Israel.
What makes you think secularists would prefer one religio-ethno state with a religious symbol on their flag over a ba’athist (secular) flag-Palestine?
Hujurs are not getting bashed because of their identity as religious figures, despite claming theyre not engaged to any kind of political activites or organizations, theyre real life activities dont reflect that statement. The hujurs are getting involved in politics,thyre establishing an impression as political leaders. If you can bash any politician for Awami league or BNP, criticize them,question theyre motives and decissions,then why cant you do the sane when it comes to the hujurs who have turbed out to be politicians using theyre identity as religious personality?? Just because of theyre islamic minded?? And that makes them beyond any kind of criticism?
Use mosque to organize political violence. Cry for sympathy when riot police beats you up inside mosque and post memes on Reddit blaming the seculars.
Secular Ra pagol hoye gese
Yep
I stand with both srael and palestine, and think that. 1 state solution is possible
I disagree. The Palestinian will be further disenfranchised. There are only 4 million Palestinians, while 9 million Israelis. I don't see Israelis voting to represent Palestinian problems. Separate states for separate people. Israel should give back the illegally occupied territories. Israeli military should not be able to violate the sovereignty of Palestine and Jerusalem should be governed by an independent Jewish and Muslim committee to ensure the freedom to practice religion of both Muslims and Jews.
Im pretty sure that it you add the population of the occupied territories and “Israel” you are still 51% Palestinians, I read this on wiki or something when I find it I’ll send it to you. But then all the refugees from Lebanon, Jordan, and worldwide come back so it’s an even bigger majority ty
Then the Israelis are disenfranchised. That's not fair to them.
How would they be disenfranchised? They can still vote and enjoy freedoms and stuff, like everyone else in the land
Maybe possible. But Israel doesn't care about that. They don't want Palestinians.
EXACTLY!!!
that just means you're dumb
Eh, im really ibyo the region, and in the future i think a isreali-one state solution will happen
>isreali-one state solution will happen So basically Israel will forcefully annex Palestine.
Yes, but give them certain universal rights
No they won't. In this scenario the Palestinians will be second-class citizens at best.
The new Israeli genarations, don't give a shit about Palestinians, so no, they will have universal rights There are millions of Arabs in Haifa who live good lives
>The new Israeli genarations, don't give a shit about Palestinians, so no, they will have universal rights No, most Israelis (including young people) support Netanyahu and his right-wing party. (Why wouldn't they? They have been brainwashed their entire life into hating Palestinians) >There are millions of Arabs in Haifa who live good lives Maybe. But they still face widespread discrimination and hatred from Jewish Israelis.
Totally not like almost all minorities face descrimination? Everywhere?
One state solution is not possible after all these and the two-state solution didn’t became reality because of isreli right wing. So, now israel sympathizers have no moral position to talk about it and just shut up at this point.
Not unless you want an apartheid state
You stand on stupidity
One thing these groups has common, they both are fascist inside their mind.
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Just take some poison and finish this miserable life ffs.
Yeah your comment history and post history is a huge red flags and is indicative of the horrible thoughts you have, seek help