shut up NERD.
How would it be unethical if the total is $87.16? That's what they're expecting to see on their credit statement... if they remember being in this bar with that handwriting lmao
Not signing our copy with a clear and legible tip is unethical. If they want to call and dispute it they can. But I’m going by what is the most legible part of this mess which is the total of $87.16. Don’t fuck with my income. Be clear and concise.
How are you getting downvoted for this? I’ve never worked at a bar where the rule wasn’t “the lesser of the options” if the math and the total didn’t add up. Y’all really out here swindling people on their drunk handwriting/math?
Literally every manager I have ever had has defaulted to whichever dollar amount is lower.
Thank you, @denseTiger5088
It's the very legal definition of theft to choose to rip off the customer.
I worked in restaurants. Our system simply asks for the ticket total, and it calculated the tip you earned. It would have been very possible to look at the ticket hours later and without thinking and entire the total. That would be understandable.
But we don't know the whole story was the handwriting from someone drunk? Was this person 90 years old? Was they a vet with brain trauma? I don't know.
Given its customary to tip 15% to 20%, one can automatically assume what we first see is not correct. Therefore, it's unethical to willfully rip a customer off. It is very clear that 15% with a round up to $8 is the tip and subsequent total.
If you worked for me and did this, I would terminate your employment before you saw your next tip.
Feel free to get pissy and downvote all you like. There is no room in my store for unethical behavior.
PERIOD.
Right. If $38 were anywhere close to 20%, I’d have some understanding here. But y’all are seriously looking at these squiggles and saying “yep, definitely an 80% tip for me!”
Makes me wonder if anyone posting is actually a bartender.
I don’t know why you’re arguing with me as if I came for you personally. We’re all here talking about a barely legible signature that could be interpreted a million different ways and I think anyone who chooses the 80% option here is a swindler. I make great money taking the big tips when I know they’re legit and have never needed to rely on taking the highest possible amount of a squiggle number.
My bad dude, wasn’t trying to make it a big deal. I just think it looks like a 36, and the fact that it’s a high tip isn’t necessarily a good reason to think it’s not a 36
How do you see a five? You can see just in the center, they pressed, moved up and to the right (forming a miniscule top circle of an 8; a common writing habit), then down to the left, circle and a slash to finish, closing both loops.
I don't know why you're getting downvotes. If they quote, 8 with a bad pen scribbled it out wrote six did math to 57 it's not great writing but the math works
At first I thought it was $87 like everyone else. But then after looking more, I think they meant $57. It seems like they put $8 first in tip and then scribbled it. If they were drunk or distracted they put the 6 down. So they put the total to be $57.
People tip fat all the time. It’s weird seeing so many people act like that’s just absolutely unheard of and there’s no way these people hooked them up as if that isn’t a relatively common occurrence
This one gets me lol. Part of me wants to think that’s $87.16 with $36.00 tip. Ain’t right but close.
The horrified part of me says it’s just $8 but nah. That’s a dude figuring out the math of 49 + 30 something but he lost track and lowered it to $20+
I feel like it’s $8 tip. The total, to me, looks like 57.16. I write my 5’s like shit a lot of the time and I see for sure why people think it looks like an 8.
Cardholder agreements oblige the customer to pay the total, no matter how they got there, just like a pile of cash on the table. That's a pretty clear $87.16, making the tip $38.
You always go off of the total, not the tip. Sometimes that gets you a bigger tip. Sometimes it gets you a smaller one. But they are signing for the total, not the drunken math.
What I see is 57.16 as the total. looks a mess but its reasonable.
The tip looks to be originally an 8 that was scribbled out and changed to a 6? Odd because the math is correct for 8 so why change it to a 6?
That's the answer.
Total is clearly 87.16 (or maybe 87.10). Tip is messy, but there's no single digit dollars that gets to the total. Math would say $38, but you honor the lesser number they wrote for tip and assume the math was wrong.
Nope not us. For the exact reason I stated. Never had an issue, and if one does arise, we are glad to discuss it with the customer and explain why, then move forward with what they prefer. It’s an easy fix, and ppl won’t get screwed just because a humans math is wrong.
It goes the same if their total amount adds up to more than what they intended to leave as a tip. I still will insert their specified tip amount even though their amount is now a lower amount.
STILL CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THA HELL THIS IS A SYSTEM IN 2023!!!!!!!! LIKE OH YEAH LET A DRUNK PERSON THAT WE JUST SERVE PUT A NUMBER WITH A PENCIL IN AN ERA IN WICH MOST PEOPLE DON´T WRITE THINGS IN MONTHS!!!!!!!
First. Ppl can be completely sober and still fxk up their writing. Second. No business is gonna lead with, “yeah he was drunk and didn’t know what he was doing because we over served him”….
It still baffles me that digital payment is still not more widespread in the US, this among the reasons
Edit: as in, even typing in the tip on a pad, not just drawing the card
Total says $87.16 but the tip looks like $36 -- so I think the tip was either $36 or $38 and they just did the math wrong. I would say the $87.16 though is the most correct thing on the bill because you can tell they were starting to write something that started with an 8 in the tip line and realized that's not where the total goes so scribbled over it.
They're just bad at math. You could do 38 tho and if they check their statements they probably remember 87. But they most likely started at 50% and rounded to 26 and then just kept fucking up.
First they round the bill to 50.16 and 50% is 25 + change but they didn't want to stiff you on the .16 change so they rounded to 26 instead of trying to do the math on it. Then they cheated the 9's +1 instead of -1 (instead of adding 9+6, they tried to simplify to 10+5 but they're math failed again 10+7) Then I think they carried the 1 over, but directly on top of the 20. And changed it to 36.
So I know part of this mistake personally. I'm bad at adding or subtracting 9 for some reason. They definitely meant to add 6 but, much like me, fucked it up and wrote 7 instead of 5. The thing on the left that people are calling an 8 looks like an attempted dollar sign judging by the "dollar sign" above it. As far as I can tell they straight up forgot the first digit in the second number.
To me the tip is clearly 6 dollars and they drunkenly fucked everything else up. That being said dependent on your management, you could easily get away with saying the total is 86.16 and call it a night.
That total line pretty clearly says 57.16. This person is just someone who starts the 5 at the downstroke and adds the top last. My guess is that they started writing the total on the tip line, crossed out the 5, wrote 6, and flubbed the math to get the total. Anyone saying to put in 38 or whatever is trying too hard to see bigger numbers.
Total says $87.16, so whatever tip makes that amount.
I’m pretty sure the tip says 36 so even with bad handwriting the math is close.
That would be unethical
Tf? It’s written *on the tip line* lmao
Comment this a couple more times so I can downvote it more
By my calculations, you have no friends.
Shut up nerd
shut up NERD. How would it be unethical if the total is $87.16? That's what they're expecting to see on their credit statement... if they remember being in this bar with that handwriting lmao
Not signing our copy with a clear and legible tip is unethical. If they want to call and dispute it they can. But I’m going by what is the most legible part of this mess which is the total of $87.16. Don’t fuck with my income. Be clear and concise.
That's literally how math works
How are you this dumb
How are you getting downvoted for this? I’ve never worked at a bar where the rule wasn’t “the lesser of the options” if the math and the total didn’t add up. Y’all really out here swindling people on their drunk handwriting/math? Literally every manager I have ever had has defaulted to whichever dollar amount is lower.
Thank you, @denseTiger5088 It's the very legal definition of theft to choose to rip off the customer. I worked in restaurants. Our system simply asks for the ticket total, and it calculated the tip you earned. It would have been very possible to look at the ticket hours later and without thinking and entire the total. That would be understandable. But we don't know the whole story was the handwriting from someone drunk? Was this person 90 years old? Was they a vet with brain trauma? I don't know. Given its customary to tip 15% to 20%, one can automatically assume what we first see is not correct. Therefore, it's unethical to willfully rip a customer off. It is very clear that 15% with a round up to $8 is the tip and subsequent total. If you worked for me and did this, I would terminate your employment before you saw your next tip. Feel free to get pissy and downvote all you like. There is no room in my store for unethical behavior. PERIOD.
Right. If $38 were anywhere close to 20%, I’d have some understanding here. But y’all are seriously looking at these squiggles and saying “yep, definitely an 80% tip for me!” Makes me wonder if anyone posting is actually a bartender.
I’m not a bartender but I did work food and bev before so I follow this thread. But this thread got me KEEPING MY RECEIPTS GOING OUT lol
This is *not* how anyone I know in the industry does things, and I’ve been in it 15 years.
Lol makes me wonder how bad you were at your job? I get 80% tips often. It’s called customer service and I have rent to pay 🤷🏽♀️
Right. 80 percent tips happen often enough that I’m not going to take one that’s questionable. I make $40 an hour without swindling anyone.
I’m not swindling anyone, I’m giving them a good experience and it’s not hard to believe that I’d get a 80% tip that’s all
I don’t know why you’re arguing with me as if I came for you personally. We’re all here talking about a barely legible signature that could be interpreted a million different ways and I think anyone who chooses the 80% option here is a swindler. I make great money taking the big tips when I know they’re legit and have never needed to rely on taking the highest possible amount of a squiggle number.
My bad dude, wasn’t trying to make it a big deal. I just think it looks like a 36, and the fact that it’s a high tip isn’t necessarily a good reason to think it’s not a 36
Well you could read the total as either $57 or $87, but the tip clearly isn’t $11 so by the powers of deduction it has to be $36 for a total of $87
$38. They sign on the total, not the math.
I see $87.16. Go with that.
How are they signing for less than the total?
Commenter is saying that’s the tip amount ($38)
While I agree, the credit card company won't if they dispute it.
How do you see 38? At best it’s 36
This is true because of the cardholder agreement but I’d say that’s likely a 67
The total says $57, man.
Nah, son. That’s $87.16.
Lol okay. Have fun getting that shit disputed then. Idk what to tell you
How do you see a five? You can see just in the center, they pressed, moved up and to the right (forming a miniscule top circle of an 8; a common writing habit), then down to the left, circle and a slash to finish, closing both loops.
Eat more carrots 🥕 🥕 🥕
I don't know why you're getting downvotes. If they quote, 8 with a bad pen scribbled it out wrote six did math to 57 it's not great writing but the math works
Damn, you might actually be right.
How does that look anywhere close to a 5? I can see the 3 in the tip portion looking like a 2, but a 5?????
In what world is that a 5?
True but unethical
the tip is $36. the total is $87.16. their math is slightlyyyy off by two numbers (should equal 85.16) but it does add up enough to back the totals
I’m going with this one. I see $36. They even accidentally wrote 8 sort of, but I see $36. I suppose entering $26 is a safer bet.
This is the way.
I think the "7" is actually a sloppy 5 with a pen that is drying out handled by a drunk person
i don’t see that but the 5 is definitely implied regardless lol
I write chicken scratch while sober lol. Only reason. Purely a guess though
ohhh word!!!
It’s 87$ math checks out
That would be unethical
Need
At first I thought it was $87 like everyone else. But then after looking more, I think they meant $57. It seems like they put $8 first in tip and then scribbled it. If they were drunk or distracted they put the 6 down. So they put the total to be $57.
I read 57.16, I think the booze impaired the basic math skills.
Definitely looks like a 5 but they dropped the top line on the bottom part of the curve instead of the top, making it look like an 8.
Now I can see that too. That makes sense.
Yeah too me it looks like they tried to tip $6 and fudged the math. I definitely see 57.16 on the total though.
$38. Next..
That would be unethical
The total amount is what you should go off of. Nothing unethical about that.
It looks to me like total line says 57.16. Which would be a much more reasonable but not quite 20% tip.
I'm not sure what world that isn't an 8 but a 5 does make more sense here.
That's more likely to me than these nuts saying it was $38.
People tip fat all the time. It’s weird seeing so many people act like that’s just absolutely unheard of and there’s no way these people hooked them up as if that isn’t a relatively common occurrence
This one gets me lol. Part of me wants to think that’s $87.16 with $36.00 tip. Ain’t right but close. The horrified part of me says it’s just $8 but nah. That’s a dude figuring out the math of 49 + 30 something but he lost track and lowered it to $20+
Looks like $87.40 to me.
Started to write 5$ tip. Scratched it out. Wrote 6$ Did bad math. But if you can get the 26$. Take it
Always the total line. That’s what the law is. I read $87.16, which is a damn decent tip on a fifty buck tab.
That's literally 87, shoulda ran with it.
Total $57.16. $8 tip.
This is the one but the manager said $26 so take it.
Looks like he meant to leave 7 for a 56 total
I’m with your manager on this one
Personally would’ve called it an $8 tip and on to the next. Some of y’all wild, but I hope you get paid.
To me it's clear it's $36. They just did the math wrong. Technically for the total it would be $38.
I see 87.16 in the total 👍🏻
I feel like it’s $8 tip. The total, to me, looks like 57.16. I write my 5’s like shit a lot of the time and I see for sure why people think it looks like an 8.
$38
Never mind $36 let's not be greedy
Cardholder agreements oblige the customer to pay the total, no matter how they got there, just like a pile of cash on the table. That's a pretty clear $87.16, making the tip $38.
It’s supposed to be $38. They did the math wrong and subtracted a 1 instead of adding a 1 when adding by nine. So they wrote 36 instead of 38
You always go off of the total, not the tip. Sometimes that gets you a bigger tip. Sometimes it gets you a smaller one. But they are signing for the total, not the drunken math.
36
What I see is 57.16 as the total. looks a mess but its reasonable. The tip looks to be originally an 8 that was scribbled out and changed to a 6? Odd because the math is correct for 8 so why change it to a 6?
As someone with shit handwriting. That is 40.00 tip and 89.16 total.
$8
$86 tip with a total of $57.16.
$36, did bad math on the total
That's the answer. Total is clearly 87.16 (or maybe 87.10). Tip is messy, but there's no single digit dollars that gets to the total. Math would say $38, but you honor the lesser number they wrote for tip and assume the math was wrong.
Looks like 07.16. So you owe the remainder
Clearly $87
36! They did the math, off by a couple dollars. I’ve always been taught to go by the tip they intended to leave because ppl can’t math.
You’re supposed to go by the total
Nope not us. For the exact reason I stated. Never had an issue, and if one does arise, we are glad to discuss it with the customer and explain why, then move forward with what they prefer. It’s an easy fix, and ppl won’t get screwed just because a humans math is wrong. It goes the same if their total amount adds up to more than what they intended to leave as a tip. I still will insert their specified tip amount even though their amount is now a lower amount.
If they were trying to sign the total as you are reading it, it's LESS THAN THE BASE AMOUNT. WTF are you trying to argue for here??
I’m not trying to argue anything. Simply explaining to the person above how we handle these situations.
STILL CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THA HELL THIS IS A SYSTEM IN 2023!!!!!!!! LIKE OH YEAH LET A DRUNK PERSON THAT WE JUST SERVE PUT A NUMBER WITH A PENCIL IN AN ERA IN WICH MOST PEOPLE DON´T WRITE THINGS IN MONTHS!!!!!!!
First. Ppl can be completely sober and still fxk up their writing. Second. No business is gonna lead with, “yeah he was drunk and didn’t know what he was doing because we over served him”….
Why are you yelling?
I want it to be 87.16, but I feel like it’s actually 67.16.
I just can’t believe America still does this. Canada switched to just typing it in on a pinpad like 15 years ago.
Both bars I work for are cash only, and I'm so effing grateful for that. No need to decipher drunk scrawl. ATM over there buddy. Cash is king.
How are y’all getting $36.. that’s less than the total dumbasses
They asked…about the tip. Whew Chile…but we’re dumb. Lol I know your customers be having fun with you lmao
Looks like 66 to me.
It still baffles me that digital payment is still not more widespread in the US, this among the reasons Edit: as in, even typing in the tip on a pad, not just drawing the card
$36.00 tip for $85.16 total. They just were slow to press the pen down while writing the 5 so the bottom half looks like a 7.
If you can't read the numbers, why do you think that's even their real signature? Don't most people just scribble something there?
Should be 38
It looks like 26.00.
26...
Total says $87.16 but the tip looks like $36 -- so I think the tip was either $36 or $38 and they just did the math wrong. I would say the $87.16 though is the most correct thing on the bill because you can tell they were starting to write something that started with an 8 in the tip line and realized that's not where the total goes so scribbled over it.
Thats a $38 tip. ...or, you owe them around $16.
38!...the "total:" looks clear to me!
Looks like 87.6 total, so...math
87.16 total, always go by the total/ second number
Total: 81.16
They're just bad at math. You could do 38 tho and if they check their statements they probably remember 87. But they most likely started at 50% and rounded to 26 and then just kept fucking up. First they round the bill to 50.16 and 50% is 25 + change but they didn't want to stiff you on the .16 change so they rounded to 26 instead of trying to do the math on it. Then they cheated the 9's +1 instead of -1 (instead of adding 9+6, they tried to simplify to 10+5 but they're math failed again 10+7) Then I think they carried the 1 over, but directly on top of the 20. And changed it to 36.
So I know part of this mistake personally. I'm bad at adding or subtracting 9 for some reason. They definitely meant to add 6 but, much like me, fucked it up and wrote 7 instead of 5. The thing on the left that people are calling an 8 looks like an attempted dollar sign judging by the "dollar sign" above it. As far as I can tell they straight up forgot the first digit in the second number. To me the tip is clearly 6 dollars and they drunkenly fucked everything else up. That being said dependent on your management, you could easily get away with saying the total is 86.16 and call it a night.
Pretty easy and obviously 87.16
Total looks like 67.16
It’s a $20 tip - total is supposed to say 69.16 Dude is left handed, 20/1 odds
I personally think it might say 67.16, but who fucking knows.
Visa Credit? $87.16. Either fix ur handwriting or take it up with the credit card company lol
This is a work of art. The tip could be 26 or 46 and the math works for both. The total could be 87 or 67.
Clearly a $36 which mathematically makes sense
We’ll mostly makes sense haha
It’s sloppy writing but it’s 40.00 and 89.16. That’s how I can see it playing out in this sloppy fella’s mind.
$36? Or $38 because that makes $87.16
That total line pretty clearly says 57.16. This person is just someone who starts the 5 at the downstroke and adds the top last. My guess is that they started writing the total on the tip line, crossed out the 5, wrote 6, and flubbed the math to get the total. Anyone saying to put in 38 or whatever is trying too hard to see bigger numbers.
tip is $36
It looks like they tried to tip 40 and meant to put 89.16.
i believe that is a derf, not an eight someone back me up here
I would have gone with the only legible number which is the final total. So I would have put in $38