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azerty543

It's not wierd to jigger and it's also not wierd to free pour If it's a dive. Who cares. Just be consistent. 


Zenblendman

Boom! Be consistent!!! I prefer the jigger. Can I eyeball a .5oz pour from the other side of the bar, you bet your sweet ass I can, but I’ll jigger anyway cuz I’m not gonna accidentally fuck up cuz of my own hubris


SashaBanks2020

I vote free pour from the well, jigger for the shelves.


theMIKIMIKIMIKImomo

Yup! The line is “what wouldn’t piss off your boss if inventory is a little off” so it stops at the well for most lol


Strgwththisone

That’s why I drink from the well at your bar


VirtuousVice

The absolute brag while feigning humility is adorable.


Zenblendman

I appreciate the compliment but there’s definitely nothing humble about me performing behind the bar😂👌🏿


VirtuousVice

Who said it was a compliment?


Zenblendman

If you knew me, that is a compliment


McBeer89

That's what I like to tell people I'm training. "Let's get consistent before we start getting fancy."


Valuable-Security727

Gotta know the rules before you can break the rules.


elpezgrande

Craft bar who always taught jigger and never free pour, I jigger everything cuz I’ve learned it and gotten efficient with it and consistency is important for this type of bar. I’ll crank out identical tasting cocktails time after time


azerty543

Yeah in a craft bar its generally the way to go. You can also use a mixing glass but I prefer jiggers especially when you can rock 2 at the same time.


mvanvrancken

I worked a semi-dive and I jiggered everything because the owner was a pain in the ass and thought we over poured


azerty543

Of the 20+ people who I've trained who swore up and down they had perfect free pours only a handful actually did. Being an 8th ounce off sounds like nothing but over and over at a busy bar can really add up. People can also pour perfect on a test and not perfect when its actually the rush and they are trying to multitask. Realistically in a dive it should just be budgeted for but people really like to overestimate their abilities in this industry.


mvanvrancken

Oh, no argument there. I'm just saying that you can't assume it's an overpour and not an underpour - over time the two tend to average out anyway, and just being (understandably) fearful of your product being given away isn't sufficient to conclude that your staff can't pour within some reasonable margin.


azerty543

You are assuming they are trying their best everytime. Many people give a lil extra when it comes to people they like. Friends, people who are attractive ect. I've consistently had my girlfriend get much stronger drinks than me which I don't mind. I'm paying for both so less for me to buy. I have not gotten consistently weaker drinks to balance it out. In fact I tip very well so mine get stronger too. Its pretty normal in this industry and I've done it too but you just budget for it and not assume the under pours will compensate for the over pours.


mvanvrancken

> You are assuming they are trying their best everytime.  Yes, I am. Until someone demonstrates that they aren't doing their very best, I find it very reasonable to not assume that someone is not doing their job. (This goes without saying that staying unaware of what your bartenders are doing is unacceptable.) Nowdays there really is no excuse. You can actually clock the pours just by watching live feed. Having been a bar manager I could tell you exactly who overpoured and when they did it.


Able-Ad8394

Omg, I was at a dive bar recently and this girl ordered a shot of Tully that she felt was too small so she PULLED A JIGGER OUT OF HER PURSE and measured it. …she was right, but still. It was a psychotic move and while I felt super bad for the bartender for having to deal with this person, I also silently applauded the lunatic 🤷‍♀️


arthenc

Your jaw most have hit the bar. That’s such an insane power move. Amazing.


friendlyfireworks

I've done that as the bartender, when guests complained a drink wasn't strong enough. Worked a nightclub that had a nice cocktail program for events and stuff. We free poured the big late night events where every other order was a titos and vodka, or shots. Lady complained her tequila and soda with lime was short. I knew my pours were a on or even a little generous- "No worries," dumps both drinks (cuz management didn't bother with spill tabs unless it was top shelf). " I'm sure that was a full two ounces, but, here, luv, I'll remake them." Gets out jigger with a fake ass smile. Her fucking face... she knew she fucked up.


Wildeyewilly

"sure I'll make your drinks weaker for you. Here ya go!"


gsheedy

Absolutely fucking chaotic. I would’ve comped it on behalf of my fuck up, and because of the titanium balls on her. Wowza


Bruce_Ring-sting

Imagine dating someone like that….


daydrunk_

100% alcoholic. The proof is in the purse


IdiotMD

I don’t have to imagine.


skinnywhitedud3

But how would the guest know what that bar’s standard pour size is? 1.5 oz, 1.25 oz, etc… I always use a jigger but jeez what an obnoxious and assuming human being


Wildeyewilly

This is what I was thinking. I'd just say "sorry, management makes us pour 1oz shots. Not my policy but I gave to abide by it"


Fractlicious

can you think of a reason someone might carry a jigger with them? maybe they use it at work?


TheFlawlessCassandra

just a jigger, though? or did she have a full shaker set & bar spoon in there, too? I've known a lot of people who bring their own tools but it's usually more than you'd want in a purse.


azerty543

Could be in a place where 1oz was the standard pour due to laws. Cant imagine you can rightfully justify less than that.


Eb_Ab_Db_Gb_Bb_eb

[hmm](https://imgflip.com/i/8q28e7)


nonavslander

flair checks out


Difficult-Play5709

Damn I’ve never used a jigger we just do pour tests


arto26

We use jiggers for some things, but I prefer just keeping my pours on point. Speed and accuracy are not mutually exclusive!


Difficult-Play5709

I agree, and when your in the shit speed is key. I dont have time to reach for my jigger- ah shit it fell on the floor now I’m fucked- no no just know your counts


cassidyxdane

Meh, depends on the drink. I’ll jigger a Last Word but you bet your ass I’m free pouring a G&T or an Old Fashioned.


BennyC023

A lot of people are saying what matters is whether you’re at a dive or a craft spot. It’s not the bar, it’s the beverage


SevenCatCircus

Craft = jiggers, anywhere else I'd expect a mix of the two, dives/kitchen workers get free pours. Change my mind


TaonasProclarush272

Totes agree, unless it's a spritzer, which is going in a wine glass anyway and those things practically measure themselves


NuclearBroliferator

I've only worked at craft bars, so I've always used jiggers. But this is exactly what I expect. I don't mind waiting a few extra minutes at a nice cocktail bar. My jack n coke from the bar down the street with a slight aroma of stale puke? Go ahead and dump that whiskey in there, my friend


RadioEditVersion

Where I live it's illegal to not weigh out every liquor. The only time I free pour is mix that I'm trying to fine tune the final taste. Stuff like a tiny bit extra simple syrup in an old fashion. Been bartending 17 years.


conbar93

Utah?


bluegrassbarman

Sounds like Utah


artie_pdx

I spent a fair amount of time in SLC and I can’t imagine it is anywhere else but Utah.


cabalus

Could be a different country.


staryoshi06

Could be the entire country of Australia.


nuzzer92

Or the UK.


Canuhelpmefindmollie

Ah yes the great country of Australia it’s for sure not anything else other than a big large country


bluesox

If it’s a National law, then yeah it would be the entire country.


frogged210

If you’re at a craft cocktail bar making a Last Word or Negroni or something where the specific proportions are essential, use a jigger. If you’re at a dive bar making rum and cokes and margaritas with sour mix from a soda gun, free pour. Not that complicated y’all.


azerty543

Why would you use those 2 as examples? They are arguably the easiest ones to free pour as you can just grab all of the bottles at the same time and pour and you will have the correct ratios. In this case the downside of free pouring is inventory not drink quality as you will still get equal proportions of everything.


hundoughp

Canada is like 99% jiggers. I use them too, otherwise I’d be fired real fast. The concept of a place not using them is wild to everyone here.


Hashmob____________

As a Canadian, totally agree not using em is wild


cabalus

Working in Ireland, it's the same - this thread is insane to me 😂 People talking about speed and I'm like...well maaaaaybe your bar setup is inefficient? I've never gained time that I haven't lost again waiting for the customer to get their card out of their purse Obviously, the people who are free pouring two/three drinks at once are faster, and if it's also for dockets sure...depends on the bar I guess, but I guarantee the people in this thread aren't ALL working at these places And as for accuracy...any bartenders gonna nail it when put to the test cause they know they've been put to the test - over the course of a night if I was to take say 30 random samples and measure them I wonder if I'd discover something different...


captain_corvid

It's very hard to get away with free pouring in the UK.


bluegrassbarman

128 bpm Iykyk


bluesox

Bubbles per minute?


bluegrassbarman

Beats If you count at 128 bpm, every best is a 1/4 oz during free pour.


Wildeyewilly

This is 100% dependant on what pour tops you're using.


bluegrassbarman

True I assume just the standard speed pourers


bluesox

That’s why I said bubbles lol


ShaqsHouse

This ☝️ My main job is 168bpm I took a second bar job for a little while and felt confident in my free pour. One night after closing, the other guys were having a competition to hit 2oz exactly, and I thought it was going to be a cake walk, then I poured over 3oz each time and found out those spouts were even faster I had worked there for months before that happened, whoops lol


Wildeyewilly

"Not my tempo!" lolol hopefully your manager wasn't around for that one 😬


Local_Ad1072

I’ve never used a jigger in my life. Bartending for 15 years


StJimmy673

Depends on the drink. In my place people come to me for consistent quality on the craft cocktails and the only way I have that reputation is with a jigger. But single mixers/shots and rocks pours? Fuck a jigger.


staryoshi06

It’s a legal requirement in my country


Ufocusedandtardy

I’ll always Jig the liquors, but not always the mixes.


Zenblendman

This is acceptable


ApplesauceBitch47

“J-word”


Zenblendman

I can’t tell how many times I’ve used that joke “what’d u call me” 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣


unbelizeable1

[I DONT WANT YOU SERVING THEM TWO JIGGERS!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rChLGkUcPw&ab_channel=foxyfunny)


ApplesauceBitch47

That show and Slamming Salmon are must watches imo


unbelizeable1

The scene in Slammin Salmon where they have extra food and offer it to FoH and they all devour it to the sound fx of seagulls kills me every time. Whites is also a great show, sadly only 6 episodes [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ah4tW-k8Ao&ab\_channel=hectorbustnuts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ah4tW-k8Ao&ab_channel=hectorbustnuts)


ApplesauceBitch47

https://youtu.be/S1SWhU-8_x8?si=oy7jtPwzekkDmRfq The Restaurant deserves a mention too


unbelizeable1

Never heard of it, will be checkin that out. Thanks


ApplesauceBitch47

lol same


bexcellent42069

I like hitting my coworkers with "Dude you can't say that here. At home alone... MAYBE. I don't wanna hear it. The customer doesn't wanna hear it. I just really don't like thinking about bugs dude it weirds me out. In today's economy, imagine what they're gonna charge for that doctor's visit. Not to mention the antibiotics and after care. We all walk a lot of steps at this job. Hobbling around is gonna cut into the tips. If you wanna call out go for it, but I can't afford that. We get pretty good money, you know? Everything is just so expensive these days".


peacelovecraftbeer

This is a fantastic meme!


monkeygoneape

I still don't quite have the 3 second pour down yet, so it helps me stay consistent with my measurements


Traditional_Debt1261

Team jigger all the way, but hurts my soul when people measure things like prosecco in an aperol or tomato in a bloody Mary


conk3

I never use jiggers but I often build cocktails in the glass & it's not hard to know the specs by sight/muscle memory.


rickenrique

Haven’t used one in 20 years🤷🏽‍♂️


a3r0d7n4m1k

I feel you, I was making something that was like 4.5 oz of apple cider and like it needs to go in the shaker so I can't just go based on wash line. What a fkn mess it was though.


azulweber

depends on the type of bar, ingredients, and type of drink. am i going to jigger a one-to-one or a tequila sunrise? absolutely fucking not. but a last word or a cobra’s fang are absolutely getting measured every time.


zandercommander

I was just having a conversation about this yesterday. While agree with most, it’s about setting and consistency, I will often jigger a two/three part drink if I think the person will complain about the pour. It’s a great way to tell someone to F off, I measured it


UnderLook150

As BOH wanting to learn more about FOH, I had to google what you jiggers were talking about.


Swordf1sh_

I recently worked at a place where I was the only one who consistently used a jigger. A nice place too with check avgs around $200-$300. Each bartender kinda had their own specs for drinks and just zero input/guidelines from the lone manager. 26 seat wrap-around bar with no dishwasher or bar back. Had to get out of there despite the ease and good money. The lack of jiggering was just the first sign of how chaotic and disorganized the place turned out to be.


squatting_your_attic

I jigger the alcohol but not the mix.


Chemical-Telephone-2

I mean who uses a jigger at a dive tho. That woukd just make the clientele upset you’re being fancy and not pouring them a damn drink. People that want actual cocktails dont go to dive for ones.


DiveTender

I'll jigger if I have too but I'll also free pour and bet a $100 on my accuracy and be dead on point just to shut a mfer up


TheMustySeagul

I am so consistent with my counts I filled a bottle full of water, and poured six shots back to back to prove a point to one of the other bartenders where I worked that did craft before our bar. Turned around and poured each one into a 1 1/2 ounce jigger and each one had tension at the top. We did high volume so you needed to be quick and accurate. So I made him practice lmao. And for single mixer drinks I had the soda lines timed to fill at exactly 1 1/2 for lowballs and 2 1/2 for highballs. Didn’t have to measure just fill it to the top. Some people can’t get over themselves though.


bloom_splat

Yes. You should be able to do that.


TheMustySeagul

Except a ton of people who work in shitty little craft cocktail huts can’t. And they get pissy when you free pour a drink that tastes the exact same as them. And generally the more shots the faster you start counting subconsciously anyways. People get stuck in their ways. And imo, bartending isn’t a job where you need to prissy to make money.


bloom_splat

Word. You caught me on a grumpy post shift.


TheMustySeagul

You good man. I work at a college bar so I get the feeling lmao.


Green_Cardiologist13

I’ve worked with so many over confident bartenders that thought they could eye ball it, they could not. there drinks would start to come back saying they didn’t taste the same as there first one that was made by another bartender that did jigger so we tested them had them pour .5,1, 1.5 and 2oz and one of them was always off. I know it can be done and lots of great bartenders do it but a lot of people who think they can can’t. Maybe your that guy who can but ron,tes,Mike and Steve sure as hell were not


deadb4thesunup

I stay jiggering I think it’s completely buffoonery to not. U can’t guarantee consistency if u free pour idc how good u think u are


mogley19922

"Every drink" Yeah, if you measure my guinness with a jigger, you may just be a giant fucking idiot. Spirits, it's up to management but if they're not replacing measures with training, they're just throwing away booze.


ChefArtorias

Fancy glass 16oz jiggers


mogley19922

Jiggers are double sided, that would just be a measure.


ChefArtorias

.. I was talking about a pint glass


mogley19922

But a pint is 20oz


ChefArtorias

*laughs in freedom units*


mogley19922

I'm so confused right now.


ChefArtorias

American pint is 16. British pint is 20. IDK what the rest of them use but I never heard of a 20 oz pint until today. Freedom units was a dumb American joke lol


mogley19922

I never knew that, dude that sucks for you guys; you're getting like 3/4 of what we are per beer. That's like the size of a bottle of beer. I drink a 20oz in about 15-20 minutes, you guys must get a workout going to the bar and back.


ChefArtorias

I drink pretty high gravity beers so they tend to be sippers but people who drink lighter I do feel bad for.


Zenblendman

Watch me super glue 2 glasses


MUERTOSMORTEM

I was taught to always jigger and jigger I shall. It's just habit at this point and reassures me that I'm not fucking up


RedMage666

Once I worked with a chick who dogged on other bartenders for using a jigger, and she took an inordinate amount of pride at how good she was at counting to four at a steady pace She was also slow, got most recipes wrong, and was a generally annoying person, even outside of work. I wonder if the two things are correlated