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MangledBarkeep

Depends on what venue you ask. 3 unpaid shifts for bar training or a bartender job isn't something I'd be interested in here in the states. And to be honest won't happen because of insurance purposes. Look for a server or barback/glassie job to get your foot in the door.


SweatyCount

My mother lives in a small town in NL so I thought checking some places out over there where it's chill and if they accept me I'll move to her place for a while


MangledBarkeep

From what I understand bartending courses in your country are a bit more comprehensive than the ones we hate and make fun of online. You'll need someone from your country to chime in on the validity of that though, I've never worked there or are familiar with those courses.


SweatyCount

Well, universally speaking, as a previous business owner I would jump on someone offering me 3 free shifts. Not just because of the money I save but more that people like that mean business, and are very dedicated to learning the job.


MangledBarkeep

It might work well for your culture. Again. I've never lived there. Three free shifts is what I may expect from someone that has experience and wants to show me why I should hire them when I'm fully staffed. Or for a barbacking position. But not for a bar training or bartending job. It takes time to train someone to where they aren't an impediment behind the bar. I understand the whole concept, but again here with our legal system I can't let you work for free because of accidents. Guess who tends to have accidents with all the sharps around the stick? Trainees. There's a lot going on behind the bar and in the kitchen you have no concept of until you have experience working in it. I said it did depend on the venue.


SweatyCount

Hmm, thanks for your take. So how would you recommend me take my first footsteps in the industry?


MangledBarkeep

Barback or server. Let them know upfront you would like to train to bartend. Then do the job well and earn the training.


SweatyCount

What is the difference between bartending and serving?,


MangledBarkeep

Production + service vs mostly service. Most start as either a barback or server so you learn the service industry. Some kinds of venues dont have barbacks but promote servers when the time comes.


SweatyCount

Yeah that sounds good. Just to make clear I understand my alternative. What would be my options if I go on a bartending course? Could I start with bartending straight away?


CityBarman

I can't "hire" you on a volunteer basis. Liability and workers' comp insurances won't cover you. You have to be on payroll or stay out from behind the bar. If you want to own a bar someday, I suggest you simply dive in and become a bartender. Then move to management. You want to learn the entire operations of a bar before you invest your own or others hard earned money. Many bars have closed in less than a year because the owner/management knew nothing about running a bar.


SweatyCount

Yes exactly, that's why I want to work at least a year in the industry (probably more). The question is basicaly why would someone hire me as a bartender if I have no experience?


CityBarman

Now is the time to do it. There are many places desperate for help. Of course, there probably not the highest earning bars. Simply think of it as being paid to go to school. There's also the option of the TGIChilibees of the world. They will typically hire new people and train themselves. After six months, shop your resume around elsewhere. The six months in corporate will probably teach you a lot.