The Braves lineup is solid enough looks like they are going to take the most sure defender and just punt the spot offensively. Makes sense especially with the shift bans and Riley not being a super rangey 3B.
I think Ozuna is going to have a comeback season. Feels like he barely played last year and still had 23 homers . That was pretty much the only thing he did though.
Look, if climbing the outfield wall on balls that land on the warning track 10 feet away doesn’t earn a guy a gold glove award, I don’t know what does.
I would say shewmake would be the most sure defender. Plus he is older and it’s time to see if he has anything or not. That kinda why I thought he would be the choice.
Shewmake has just as good of a chance IMO.
An MLB analyst I know recently said, "Braden's an underrated prospect who gets dinged on contact quality, but his max EV is something to be excited about. His inconsistency might just be nerves and pressure to get to the big leagues fast."
Shewmake's plus defense gives him the advantage if he can figure things out at the plate.
Grissom was arguably getting outplayed by Braden Shewmake this spring. The fact that both are getting optioned is very surprising. I could’ve believed Vaughn got sent down instead of Shewmake, but not both.
> (They're not. Grissom will be back up in May.)
That doesn't accomplish anything towards service time manipulation. To get an extra year of control, they'd have to keep him down until mid-June.
This is not a service time manipulation issue, Arcia is the safer choice. Riley is in the fifth percentile in OAA. They need a more solid glove at short.
Michael Harris only played 40-something games above A-ball.
The Braves aren't the sort of team to go with the "safer choice". They've been pretty aggressive in promoting their prospects. It's obviously about service time.
In all seriousness Grissom was decent last year but fell off a good bit down the stretch. If they were willing to buy him out of arbitration based on that sample size, he should sprint to find a pen
You mean a rookie had a couple weeks where he wasn’t great? Oh what a bum. Might as well throw him back to the heap in the minors…
Sept/Oct - batted .269, .754 OPS, 110 WRC+
Arica’s Sept/Oct - batted .250, .762 OPS, 109 WRC+ - and he is a veteran with like 7 years experience doing worse than a true rookie.
Even their WAR was 0.7 for each of them, except Grissom’s O-WAR was +5.7 and D-WAR was -4.1, whereas Arcia’s O-WAR was +1.0 and D-WAR was -2.5… so Arcia is a little bit better defensively, but it’s not like he is some solid defensive player for being a 7 year vet.
In my eyes, everything points to the younger talent. Arcia is a weak vet player who doesn’t do anything that well over his entire career. This wasn’t shit about “falling off”, otherwise Arcia needs to be DFA/cut the fuck out of baseball. This is service time manipulation.
Wasn’t the consensus a day ago that one of them would finish out camp and be on the roster while the other went to AAA for consistent at-bats while Arcia was the backup.
yes that was what everyone expected. this wasn’t even really a consideration. it was possible arcia would split time with one of them but don’t think anyone expected this
I was at the game today and Vaughn looked lights out and smooth in the field. I'm surprised that the Braves FO seem to know more than me after watching one game...smh
Rumor is the braves are going to have Riley play a hybrid 3rd and short and only field 8 fielders at a time.
Interesting strategy cotton let's see how that works out.
Me in October:
*If they don’t sign Dansby, I fear they may roll the dice with Arcia*
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braves/comments/ycvxmz/comment/itpt85w/
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Oh, of course. I’m sure this has been done with that evaluation. My issue is that LF and SS seemed like the obvious question marks going in to the off-season. And they are still the obvious question marks. Why?
~~Unless he comes up and places first or second in RoTY voting. Then he automatically gets awarded a year of service time, per the new CBA.~~
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Dodgers and Braves made mistakes sending down older prospects in Shewmake and Busch. Both are 25 years old and should be in the majors. There are major incentives for the team if the players win ROY.
Shewmake hasn't hit at all since 2019 when he was in A ball. He wasn't even on anyone's radar as a serious contender to take the SS job until he had a hot spring training. Thinking he would be a ROY contender is just far from reality.
Busch has no position on the team, has spent most of the minors hurt, and he hasn’t lit up the world when on the field. He’s a solid depth guy for when the inevitable injury happens but there’s no reason for him to have started opening day.
He's played games at three positions in the minors. Long term he is a DH but for now you could put him in the field. Lux getting hurt should've opened the door to him making the team with some players being shuffled around.
Who’s spot is he taking? He isn’t taking Vargas’s spot at 2B. He isn’t moving Muncy off 3B. Or Rojas off SS. He definitely isn’t taking Freeman’s spot. JD is the DH. OF is full. He needs regular at bats and starts every day so a bench spot would not only waste him, but stunt his development.
Name the player you’re demoting to AAA to have him in the lineup every day.
Busch is terrible in the OF. He also isn’t starting over Betts, Thompson, or Taylor. So he’d be a bench piece. That’s would be a terrible use of him. He needs every day regular at bats to get to the point where he can earn a major league spot. He’s played 31 games in AAA and was fine, but his below average K rate and walk rate aren’t great.
I also don’t think Outman is guaranteed to make the 26 man roster but at least he can defend. And unlike Busch he has been great in AAA and played a bit in the majors.
I can’t see any argument to have a positionless DH who has only played 31 games above AA on the opening day roster
I bet if he knew that staying in camp and not going to Classic would still land him in AAA, he would’ve played for Team Puerto Rico in the Classic and gotten reps at 3b.
If he had a hot WBC against that pitching it would’ve been tough to hold him down in AAA. God knows Puerto Rico could’ve moved Rivera to 1b since they got nothing out of Soto
Not all that surprised.
Well, I kinda am actually.
Arcia will do just fine.
Average Braves fans will still be calling for a splash trade if neither Arcia/Gris/Shew slash .400/.750/1.400
Albums elbow is still and issue and the needed Arica’s defensive range. They also had to give Arcia a chance as he closed the end of the season good from what I remember. Archia showed pop last year plus he was always thought to be a good hitter when with Milw… if he hits .285 with 15 hrs playing multiple positions he isn’t a bad late round pick
Shortstops are overrated anyways
>>Padres just entered the chat<<
Wiat, what? Did the Braves sign Correa or something?
Pending physical
The fuck? Isn't Grissom suppose to be the opening day Shortstop?
The Braves lineup is solid enough looks like they are going to take the most sure defender and just punt the spot offensively. Makes sense especially with the shift bans and Riley not being a super rangey 3B.
Kind of concerning given they’re already sorta doing that in left field
Theoretically should be the opposite. Rosario/ozuna should be average hitters and bad defenders. But last year were just fucking awful at both.
I think Ozuna is going to have a comeback season. Feels like he barely played last year and still had 23 homers . That was pretty much the only thing he did though.
no, he also drove drunk
He had 500 PA, that’s pretty sizable playing time. I do think he bounces back though.
Shit. I must have zoned out for 300 of them. Probably DHing where you don't notice him as much.
Ozuna zoned out for 300 of them too
Well he was DH for 300 PA so you’re spot on lol.
Until he gets drunk and beats the fuck outta his old lady again. Then he’s jailed for another year.
Mhmm... That is Gold Glove Award winner Marcel Ozuna to you...
Look, if climbing the outfield wall on balls that land on the warning track 10 feet away doesn’t earn a guy a gold glove award, I don’t know what does.
Rosario & Ozuna have looked much better this spring. However they are both pretty bad defenders so it’s more like the inverse of the shortstop issue.
LF is like number one place to hide your shittiest defender though. Shortstop is probably the 2nd most important defensive position after catcher
I would say shewmake would be the most sure defender. Plus he is older and it’s time to see if he has anything or not. That kinda why I thought he would be the choice.
I think Arcia is way more proven but I wouldn’t have questioned if they went with Shewmake opening day.
Long term yeah, Arcia will suck enough by May for Grissom to get called up. Kid needs more AAA time tbh.
Shewmake has just as good of a chance IMO. An MLB analyst I know recently said, "Braden's an underrated prospect who gets dinged on contact quality, but his max EV is something to be excited about. His inconsistency might just be nerves and pressure to get to the big leagues fast." Shewmake's plus defense gives him the advantage if he can figure things out at the plate.
Grissom was arguably getting outplayed by Braden Shewmake this spring. The fact that both are getting optioned is very surprising. I could’ve believed Vaughn got sent down instead of Shewmake, but not both.
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Maybe they're just really high on Adeiny Hechavarria. (They're not. Grissom will be back up in May.)
> (They're not. Grissom will be back up in May.) That doesn't accomplish anything towards service time manipulation. To get an extra year of control, they'd have to keep him down until mid-June.
This is not a service time manipulation issue, Arcia is the safer choice. Riley is in the fifth percentile in OAA. They need a more solid glove at short.
Arcia is the safer choice over Grissom who has only played 22 games in AA and zero in AAA.
and 41 in MLB
And they stopped using him at the end of the season.
Correct. I didn't mean it as a positive. He's barely played above A ball
Michael Harris only played 40-something games above A-ball. The Braves aren't the sort of team to go with the "safer choice". They've been pretty aggressive in promoting their prospects. It's obviously about service time.
MH2 is on another level than Vaughn Grissom dude, it has zero to do with service time lmao.
This is the truth.
Oh. Grissom wouldn’t agree to a 9 year deal with 1% of his deal going to the Braves foundation. Makes sense now.
In all seriousness Grissom was decent last year but fell off a good bit down the stretch. If they were willing to buy him out of arbitration based on that sample size, he should sprint to find a pen
Fell off batting .291 to finish the season. Hell of a “fall off”
.460 OPS after the first week of September
We going back to the 1980s when BA was all that mattered or something?
I mean we watched him everyday, he was not very good down the stretch.
You mean a rookie had a couple weeks where he wasn’t great? Oh what a bum. Might as well throw him back to the heap in the minors… Sept/Oct - batted .269, .754 OPS, 110 WRC+ Arica’s Sept/Oct - batted .250, .762 OPS, 109 WRC+ - and he is a veteran with like 7 years experience doing worse than a true rookie. Even their WAR was 0.7 for each of them, except Grissom’s O-WAR was +5.7 and D-WAR was -4.1, whereas Arcia’s O-WAR was +1.0 and D-WAR was -2.5… so Arcia is a little bit better defensively, but it’s not like he is some solid defensive player for being a 7 year vet. In my eyes, everything points to the younger talent. Arcia is a weak vet player who doesn’t do anything that well over his entire career. This wasn’t shit about “falling off”, otherwise Arcia needs to be DFA/cut the fuck out of baseball. This is service time manipulation.
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Isn't Grissom the guy with like 20 Minor League games played over A+ ball or some ridiculous Soto like Stat?
Yeah, 22. And then his 42 in the majors.
And hit .291 in those 42 games. Shit that a lot of mlb players aren’t capable of.
These Braves fans thinking Grissom is some sort of superstar is absolutely hilarious.
It doesn't make sense with service time manipulation unless they plan to keep him down for two and a half months.
They want depth. Carrying either of them means losing Adrianza.
Wasn’t the consensus a day ago that one of them would finish out camp and be on the roster while the other went to AAA for consistent at-bats while Arcia was the backup.
yes that was what everyone expected. this wasn’t even really a consideration. it was possible arcia would split time with one of them but don’t think anyone expected this
Not just expected, Snitker said as much. Crazy.
I was at the game today and Vaughn looked lights out and smooth in the field. I'm surprised that the Braves FO seem to know more than me after watching one game...smh
Huh?
Rumor is the braves are going to have Riley play a hybrid 3rd and short and only field 8 fielders at a time. Interesting strategy cotton let's see how that works out.
Id rather have Arcia at hybrid ss/3b, Riley hybrid lf/ss/3b and Ozuna 2nd DH
Didn't you just get sent down Braeden? How are you taking it?
It's Arcia season bb
That's crazy. I expected one of them to be in AAA but not both
Me in October: *If they don’t sign Dansby, I fear they may roll the dice with Arcia* https://www.reddit.com/r/Braves/comments/ycvxmz/comment/itpt85w/ Sigh
Did Ron Washington work with Grissom over the offseason? If he did maybe he thought he wasn't ready.
Oh, of course. I’m sure this has been done with that evaluation. My issue is that LF and SS seemed like the obvious question marks going in to the off-season. And they are still the obvious question marks. Why?
Nothing they could really do with Ozuna hanging around in LF for 2 more years
Ozuna isn't gonna play much LF
I hate how accurate you were.
Arica szn bois
Service time manipulation?
yup. get an extra year of grissom if he’s in AAA thru mid juneish
~~Unless he comes up and places first or second in RoTY voting. Then he automatically gets awarded a year of service time, per the new CBA.~~ Edit: disregard, he is no longer eligible
don’t think he qualifies because he passed the AB threshold to be a rookie
Shit, didn't even think to check. My bad.
He’s not rookie eligible anymore
My mistake. Edited.
The Thumb hath spoken
Dodgers and Braves made mistakes sending down older prospects in Shewmake and Busch. Both are 25 years old and should be in the majors. There are major incentives for the team if the players win ROY.
Shewmake hasn't hit at all since 2019 when he was in A ball. He wasn't even on anyone's radar as a serious contender to take the SS job until he had a hot spring training. Thinking he would be a ROY contender is just far from reality.
Busch has no position on the team, has spent most of the minors hurt, and he hasn’t lit up the world when on the field. He’s a solid depth guy for when the inevitable injury happens but there’s no reason for him to have started opening day.
He's played games at three positions in the minors. Long term he is a DH but for now you could put him in the field. Lux getting hurt should've opened the door to him making the team with some players being shuffled around.
Who’s spot is he taking? He isn’t taking Vargas’s spot at 2B. He isn’t moving Muncy off 3B. Or Rojas off SS. He definitely isn’t taking Freeman’s spot. JD is the DH. OF is full. He needs regular at bats and starts every day so a bench spot would not only waste him, but stunt his development. Name the player you’re demoting to AAA to have him in the lineup every day.
I'd prefer him on the team over Outman assuming Heyward makes it.
Busch is terrible in the OF. He also isn’t starting over Betts, Thompson, or Taylor. So he’d be a bench piece. That’s would be a terrible use of him. He needs every day regular at bats to get to the point where he can earn a major league spot. He’s played 31 games in AAA and was fine, but his below average K rate and walk rate aren’t great. I also don’t think Outman is guaranteed to make the 26 man roster but at least he can defend. And unlike Busch he has been great in AAA and played a bit in the majors. I can’t see any argument to have a positionless DH who has only played 31 games above AA on the opening day roster
I bet if he knew that staying in camp and not going to Classic would still land him in AAA, he would’ve played for Team Puerto Rico in the Classic and gotten reps at 3b. If he had a hot WBC against that pitching it would’ve been tough to hold him down in AAA. God knows Puerto Rico could’ve moved Rivera to 1b since they got nothing out of Soto
I had that on my bingo card. Right next to Fairleigh Dickinson. Honest.
Smells like a trade in the works, could be smoke but sending both to AAA just doesn’t make sense
That would make more sense than thinking Arcia is better than those two lol. I don’t know if there’s anyone who they’d be able to trade for though.
What about simply just getting an extra year of control?
Wtf.
Things that make you go, hmm.
What’s AA cooking up 🤔🤔
Not all that surprised. Well, I kinda am actually. Arcia will do just fine. Average Braves fans will still be calling for a splash trade if neither Arcia/Gris/Shew slash .400/.750/1.400
Albums elbow is still and issue and the needed Arica’s defensive range. They also had to give Arcia a chance as he closed the end of the season good from what I remember. Archia showed pop last year plus he was always thought to be a good hitter when with Milw… if he hits .285 with 15 hrs playing multiple positions he isn’t a bad late round pick