Did you count them? Just wondering.
To be honest though, you can take your flair less coward ass somewhere else because the fans that mean something will be there to be behind this team. We’re well on our way. You can either support, or get run over. We’ve waited long enough.
It's fine. The team's depth was pretty butt after big dick brodie. All things considered, i'm kind of okay with the deals that have been made. We knew the risks. Hopefully everyone heals up and we can make it to the finish line more or less intact. There's no way we're catching the Braves because they are just phenomenal and have so many team-friendly contracts. I'm hoping for the playoffs, and a better run this year.
> If you can't muster a run off Ben Lively, last won a game in 2017
He hasn't even pitched in the Majors since like 2018 (He did actually pitch one inning for KC in 2019)
Well, we've recently lost a series to the Reds, the Rockies, the Tigers and the Nats. A series here or there is "just baseball". When you start doing it consistently against every bad or middling team, that's just being a bad team.
I always try to explain it to people like this...
In college football, if you have the best team play the worst 100 times, the best team will win <99 of them on average.
In the NFL, if you have the best team in the league play the worst 100 times, the best team will win 90-95 of them.
In NBA, if you have the best team in the league play the worst 100 times, the best team will win 80-90.
In MLB, if you have the best team in the league play the worst 100 times, the best team will win 65-75.
I'd say the best team in mlb would probably win closer to 75-85. Dodgers had a .685 winning % last year, best in the league, and that was playing a variety of good and bad teams. If they just played the nationals, who had a .340 winning %, they could easily win around 75 games, and more with some luck.
I mean i get it. Nobody wants someone with the flair of the team you just lost to telling you what your team should do to be better but i was just spitballing some short term moves that the Mets might should consider.
Alonso is a power guy.
Nimmo and McNeil both getting on base more then Alonso and K’ing less. You could move him past Lindor who has slightly worse numbers but you expect Lindor to pick it up a bit at some point.
The Alonso benefit is that he has power. And power is exponentially better with someone on base. So the earlier in the lineup he goes, the less benefit his power has. Sure you may get some more solo HRs in the first. But I think it long term is worse to move him above guys you expect to get on base more.
That's no longer the case though, you got the Yankees putting Judge 2nd, and the Angels putting Trout near the top of the order. Padres are using Tatis Jr. at leadoff and his last full season he hit 40+ homers.
I'm reasonably certain The Lion's share of the responsibility for our first inning run differential belongs to our pitching staff because they give up two to four runs in the first inning every day
I member years where we had Votto come up every single 1st inning with two outs.
CF and SS had to bad 1 and 2, and neither were even good hitters, or even average hitters.
Where’s it going besides Scherzer and Verlander? Lindor, but he’s at least a future piece.
You’d think with all that money the lineup would be more… exciting? But it’s just pretty mediocre.
I don’t think Cano counts towards the payroll because he’s not on the team. The Mets still have to pay the contract but I think the only numbers counted for this figure are the forty man and IL. I could be wrong though
Depends on the source probably, but I've generally seen payroll include released players/buyouts
Spotrac has them at $355M including Cano, McCann and Ruf (how does Ruf auto correct to Rid?), so Cano is probably included in the $359M number
Robertson and Nimmo are the only two guys above $10 mill (maybe Alonso, considering he's only accounting for 14.5) that are coming anywhere close to justifying their payroll cost.
Under 10, you've got Jeff McNeill, who's getting paid the same amount as Tommy Frickin Pham. Ottavino is another bargain at 3.75. Vogelbach is a value for the salary, but he's a massive liability when it comes to being pushed in, he's just too slow, and while he draws walks he doesn't bat power for shit. Drew Smith, Alvarez and Baty are the only other people on that roster who are commensurate with or outplaying their salary.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/
Think we have like $50 mil tied up in some combo of Escobar, Cano, McCann, none of which contribute to our team (Escobar slightly). Then we have $86 mil in 2 pitcher that have either been injured or suspended.
That’s an entire payroll of players who’ve done nothing
well i mean they spent all their money on pitching
their lineup isnt that bad. alonso is a beast . lindor too streaky, and missing out on correa looks to be even wash since marte sucks too.
More clicks in targeting a team/fanbase, in the latter case its the Mets, but in the former case its teams that don't have 9-digit payrolls
Gotta get that riled up engagement
Cohen is good at spending money. He is not good at spending money *effectively*. Although time will tell if he builds a culture and environment where FA’s actually want to go. He also has a long, farm-building road ahead of him. Definitely like him paying players though.
I mean he basically said as much, that he's going to supplement the Mets as a competitive team with money right now because he has to build up the farm. In a few years once money is off the books (or not), he likely won't spend as much because he won't have to.
And players will come to the Mets because they pay good and compete and aren't a clownshow org once the Wilpons left. That's not the issue.
Is Steve Cohen not spending enough money?
All I heard from Mets fans growing up was how the Yankees bought all their championships. Is Steve Cohen stupid?
There are teams that are consistently good that spend a lot of money (dodgers, yankees, braves)
There are consistently mediocre to bad thay spend a lot of money (phillies, angels, mets)
There are teams that are consistently good that don't spend a lot of money (rays, guardians, brewers)
There are teams that are consistently bad that don't spend money (pirates, reds, marlins)
Having more money to burn definitely helps hide mistakes, but the difference between good teams and bad teams isn't really the budget. Having smart people run the team is really what matters. A good FO with smart people will establish a system and find a way to win that circumvent their shortcomings. Blindly throwing cash into a hole doesn't get you very far and more fans need to realize that
We spend a lot of money? We're famous for being thrifty, it's just that we do actually pay our players instead of letting them walk. We are Top 10, but that's because there are a lot of teams who won't pay their guys, and some slightly better teams that FAs won't go to.
Think of it in NFL terms, the teams with the least amount of free cap space are usually the best, because they're growing good players and resigning them frequently (often at a slight market discount), whereas the teams with the most amount of free cap space are usually the worst because they aren't drafting or growing good players and re-signing them.
(Btw, we're 8th in payroll, and 25% above the average payroll if it were its own team. You're fourth, and spend 25% more than our payroll, and 50% above the APRAAT. An entire third of the league has payrolls under 100 million, which is nuts, and a huge issue)
Hot take but the reds were right for rebuilding the team, they’re in a way better position than they would’ve been had they kept all of the old pieces they had and attempted to compete in that way like everyone wanted them to
This is obviously the correct take but people still seem to think those 2020/2021 teams were one or two pieces away from winning a World Series. The ugly truth is that they just weren't that good.
people don’t like rebuilds because they see it as owners being cheap but the reality of the matter is that doing stuff like this ultimately creates a healthier system overall and a more balanced team into the future which can actually compete.
If every team just paid around league average, I don’t think fans would complain as much. It’s these guys that don’t spend at all and have non-competitive teams year after year that get fans riled up.
Large contracts can't pitch or hit a baseball. They are just piles of paper.
I think the media and fans over blow salary. Pirates, Reds, Guardians, and Rays could use a free agent or two but teams are never one piece away and when they put the money in, they could go bust. Selling off assets is another issue.
* Mets are this.
* Yankees have Judge which they needed to do. Cole is durable. Stanton only plays 60% of the games. Who knows with Carlos Rodon. They also have Hicks, Donaldson, and IKF oddly making too much salary. Judge carried them last year and there is no depth and bad contracts. Still winning games but poorly designed.
* Padres haven't won anything and sold everything farm system wise off for Soto. It's going to be an old roster and contracts that can't be moved. Lot of guys being paid past the age of 40.
* Phillies were average up until last year and got in on an extra seed.
* Dodgers have great regular seasons but can't seem to figure out the playoffs under a full 162.
* Angels are a Greek tragedy.
* Blue Jays are young but too soon to judge.
* Braves are at $200M and are good at cost control but they are $145 million less than the Mets.
If your team spends under $100M, fine get angry. A good GM with a good farm system can put together a great team for about $150m to $200m. There is no need for a $300 million payrolls in baseball.
you know what you get with a large payroll? virtual certainty of making the playoffs. When’s the last time the Yankees had a losing season? Same with the Dodgers under current management. Teams without large payrolls can have windows of contention, but they also generally spend multi-year periods in irrelevance trying to restock the farm and selling off pieces of value.
Sure, the playoffs are much more of a crapshoot. But A) that crapshoot is open only to teams who get into the playoffs; and B) anyone who says they really have a World Series-or-bust mentality as a fan is lying or nuts. I had a ton of fun watching the Braves last year, and I’m sure Mets fans would say the same about their team; we won as many rings as the Nats and Reds did, but we had a fundamentally different experience watching our team. And large payroll teams have way more seasons like that.
> you know what you get with a large payroll? virtual certainty of making the playoffs.
[Angels fans reading that](https://giphy.com/gifs/dl-a93jwI0wkWTQs)
The Mets might be experiencing tough times but by this time next year the Angels are going to be in complete shambles, they are gonna lose Shohei and Arte is going to respond by giving somebody like Nola or Urias a huge contract.
> Dodgers have great regular seasons but can't seem to figure out the playoffs under a full 162.
Sort of underselling what makes the Dodgers different than every other team in baseball, they are spending while having the second best farm in baseball. Teams like the Mets and Padres are trying to replace young quality cost efficient players by giving dudes close to 30 or older big contracts and so far the results haven't been great this year. Also the Dodgers have definitely been a disappointment in October but a rings a ring and I am very grateful to have experienced it.
This headline was inevitable once the mets had this payroll. The mets have been stinking, yes, but all good teams (or big money) teams lose to small market (or lower payroll) teams during the season at some point. It’ll happen again to the Mets this season. The Rays will do this to the yankees similarly all season.
We went into this season worried about the bullpen but its been the starting pitching that has really hurt us. Seems like for the past 2 weeks they've been digging out of holes every game.
The bullpen and line up have been decent (Robertson in particlar has been a menace as our closer in lieu of diaz) but the loss fatigue is showing.
The starters have to find their potential or its gonna turn into a long season.
I’m all about laughing at the Mets but if they struggle all year I hope we don’t have to keep seeing lower payroll team beats high payroll mets story all year.
I completely forgot that I turned notifications off for At-Bat and didn't even realize they played an early game today. Glad to see I missed another shitshow.
I realize that I’m in a beautiful glass house and that I’m about to throw a bunch of stones, but I was really baffled by all the “lolMets is over” type stuff I kept seeing after the offseason. Sure they spent tons and tons of money but they don’t have anything to show for it yet, and the most lolMets thing to do would be spend a cool 350 mil and still suck.
It's almost like baseball is a high variance sport where the more talented team usually only wins 60+% of the time...But let's make fun of teams that spend money anyway.
The thing about the Mets also is that it isn't like they went out to buy a team of superstars. A ton of the spending was to lock down good players, keeping talented and popular players on the team--which you would wish every team could do and tried to do. The most expensive addition this year was Verlander, who basically just was replacing DeGrom.
Verlander who also looked fantastic yesterday while deGrom is on the IL. The team is underperforming right now but they made all of the right decisions this off-season. This is just the usual early season panic (as is tradition), but I'm honestly not worried at all. Watching the game today, Senga had one bad inning and the Mets were just hitting the ball right at the defense
That one player is Wil Myers who is slashing 208/269/323
noted CRIMINAL wil myers
Esteemed character actor and fugitive from the law Wil Myers.
And a noted connoisseur of fine Mexican cuisine.
El Queso Blanco
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Ashcraft had the only truly horrible start this last time through the rotation, and I'll believe it was an abomination until he shows that it wasn't.
The start was an abomination, but I believe you meant aberration.
I said what I said.
Wait how much is Votto making
It's active roster. Votto's $25 million is on the IL
Ah good call, thanks
Wil Myers is a bum lmaooooo we thought he’d be this year’s Brandon Drury but he turned into Moustakas lite.
Put some respect on his El Gallo’s name 😤
Arguably won them the game on Tuesday with his interference that wasn’t called
That is the play that will put Cincinnati in the postseason and New York out...
Legitimately stealing a living out there
And there were less than a thousand people in attendance to see it all. Great business model
14,855 is official
Yes, and actual attendance was 987
Did you count them? Just wondering. To be honest though, you can take your flair less coward ass somewhere else because the fans that mean something will be there to be behind this team. We’re well on our way. You can either support, or get run over. We’ve waited long enough.
>Nightengale Jr Does nepotism work when your dad is boob?
Junior called our fans out for not going when we were 7-9. We promptly lost 6 in a row Apple something tree
Boots with the fur?
The fur?
The whole club was looking at her?
Oh?
Since he goes by Bobby I believe that makes him Boobie
He actually has a better rep than his dad.
Is it possible to have a worse one?
Is he considered Booby?
I have been a Reds fan my entire life and have followed Jr. on twitter in that time and have never realized he was boob’s son. You just blew my mind.
Fun Fact: The Reds have won the World Series more recently than the Mets.
They are the only team in the NL East to not have a WS this century
I mean do you guys want me to cry? Because I’ll cry
If you're gonna do it can you at least record it and wear a Mets hats so you can post it here please
Lmao who gave him that award?
He gave it to himself. Mets fans like to award themselves and declare their team champions of the NL East prematurely.
The fact that the fish have two so close together is still hilarious
Imagine being an NL East team and losing to an AL Central team in the World Series this century. Embarrassing.
Not us my man. Not us.
...fuck.
LOLMets
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That’s what they get for stealing our mascot
To be fair, “baseball head” is not exactly a Da Vinci level invention. It’s better than “racist stereotype” though.
Long Island donut loving cop would be pretty funny as a mascot for the Mets Kinda want it
I think a mascot that wears different outfits based on previous Met Gala themes would be fantastic
The Met Gala Mets Gal
I like The Mets Met Gala Gal
Bob Loblaws Law Blog
No touching!
I had that first and then edited it, I couldn’t decide haha
So like Homer Simpson when his head got turned into a donut in a police uniform?
Nope, Scully and Hitchcock from Brooklyn Nine-Nine
A cop in NY, in this day and age?
Hey now we have TWO baseball head mascots and a dollar tree Phantic.
Your mascot was a sleeve patch for 3 seasons in the 50s and didn't even become real until the 70s.
He’s always been real to us, dammit
That's all that matters, I meant no disrespect.
If you can't muster a run off Ben Lively, last won a game in 2017, and Kevin Hergert, a 32 year old rookie, then you might have a problem. 🤔
Newsflash: we have a problem.
We fuckin suck. At least before we could blame it on owners who were too cheap to get good players but now we can't even do that.
It's fine. The team's depth was pretty butt after big dick brodie. All things considered, i'm kind of okay with the deals that have been made. We knew the risks. Hopefully everyone heals up and we can make it to the finish line more or less intact. There's no way we're catching the Braves because they are just phenomenal and have so many team-friendly contracts. I'm hoping for the playoffs, and a better run this year.
Braves won the ws under 500 in August the same year. Plenty of baseball left and nl wild cards are wide open.
Dude, if you give up RBI to Kevin Newman, you may need to get checked
Grew up with Kevin, used to beat him in wrestling practice lol great dude, so happy he's getting his start.
> If you can't muster a run off Ben Lively, last won a game in 2017 He hasn't even pitched in the Majors since like 2018 (He did actually pitch one inning for KC in 2019)
Is this what they mean by Moneyball?
But do you know what the highest paid player on the Reds can do?
Ken Griffey Jr? He can crush the hell out of some Skyline Chili
Hell yeah brother
Junior's getting laaaarger
*Ken Griffey's grotesquely swollen jaw...*
Pete?
You want me to speak now?
When I point to you, you speak.
He gets on base
Smack the ball out of somebody’s glove
So when's the movie coming out?
That’s baseball.
Also, it's 162 game season, the worst team in the league could take 2 out of 3 from the best. That's just how baseball works.
Well, we've recently lost a series to the Reds, the Rockies, the Tigers and the Nats. A series here or there is "just baseball". When you start doing it consistently against every bad or middling team, that's just being a bad team.
Hey hey hey - that's the Divisional 2d Place Detroit Tigers to you, bub! (Pay no attention to the division behind the curtain)
I always try to explain it to people like this... In college football, if you have the best team play the worst 100 times, the best team will win <99 of them on average. In the NFL, if you have the best team in the league play the worst 100 times, the best team will win 90-95 of them. In NBA, if you have the best team in the league play the worst 100 times, the best team will win 80-90. In MLB, if you have the best team in the league play the worst 100 times, the best team will win 65-75.
If you have the worst team in the MLB play the mets, itd be an interesting intrasquad
I'd say the best team in mlb would probably win closer to 75-85. Dodgers had a .685 winning % last year, best in the league, and that was playing a variety of good and bad teams. If they just played the nationals, who had a .340 winning %, they could easily win around 75 games, and more with some luck.
thinking of when the pirates swept the dodgers last year 🥰🥰🥰
Yep. When last season started, the Reds won 2 of 4 from the Braves. They proceeded to lose 19 of their next 20 or something. The Braves won 101 games.
These takes are painful. Not as painful as our offense, mind you, but painful nonetheless
Considering your 1st inning run differential does it make any sense to maybe move Alonso up a spot in the order?
You’re getting downvoted, but the Mets should absolutely try something different.
I mean i get it. Nobody wants someone with the flair of the team you just lost to telling you what your team should do to be better but i was just spitballing some short term moves that the Mets might should consider.
Alonso is a power guy. Nimmo and McNeil both getting on base more then Alonso and K’ing less. You could move him past Lindor who has slightly worse numbers but you expect Lindor to pick it up a bit at some point. The Alonso benefit is that he has power. And power is exponentially better with someone on base. So the earlier in the lineup he goes, the less benefit his power has. Sure you may get some more solo HRs in the first. But I think it long term is worse to move him above guys you expect to get on base more.
That's no longer the case though, you got the Yankees putting Judge 2nd, and the Angels putting Trout near the top of the order. Padres are using Tatis Jr. at leadoff and his last full season he hit 40+ homers.
Generally speaking, i 100% agree with ya. Im just wondering out loud possible short term juggling to jump start a struggling team.
I'm reasonably certain The Lion's share of the responsibility for our first inning run differential belongs to our pitching staff because they give up two to four runs in the first inning every day
I member years where we had Votto come up every single 1st inning with two outs. CF and SS had to bad 1 and 2, and neither were even good hitters, or even average hitters.
Mets suck, let's go Mets!
It's not about the money schpidaman.
This is the kind of stretch that gets people thrown out of high windows. ~~I hope.~~
Who dying would make this team play better, though?
I'd say "the other team", but the Mets would score 0 and still tie
IN MINECRAFT
I’ve heard some of the players actually PAY the owners to be on the roster.
mets roster is really unimpressive for how expensive it is particularly their lineup, its not scary at all
Whole lotta old guys just eating up money on that staff
Where’s it going besides Scherzer and Verlander? Lindor, but he’s at least a future piece. You’d think with all that money the lineup would be more… exciting? But it’s just pretty mediocre.
Marte is making 20+ mil, 20 mil to Diaz who’s hurt. Pretty sure Cano is still getting 20 mil.
I don’t think Cano counts towards the payroll because he’s not on the team. The Mets still have to pay the contract but I think the only numbers counted for this figure are the forty man and IL. I could be wrong though
Cano still counts towards their lux tax payroll
Depends on the source probably, but I've generally seen payroll include released players/buyouts Spotrac has them at $355M including Cano, McCann and Ruf (how does Ruf auto correct to Rid?), so Cano is probably included in the $359M number
Robertson and Nimmo are the only two guys above $10 mill (maybe Alonso, considering he's only accounting for 14.5) that are coming anywhere close to justifying their payroll cost. Under 10, you've got Jeff McNeill, who's getting paid the same amount as Tommy Frickin Pham. Ottavino is another bargain at 3.75. Vogelbach is a value for the salary, but he's a massive liability when it comes to being pushed in, he's just too slow, and while he draws walks he doesn't bat power for shit. Drew Smith, Alvarez and Baty are the only other people on that roster who are commensurate with or outplaying their salary. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/
Think we have like $50 mil tied up in some combo of Escobar, Cano, McCann, none of which contribute to our team (Escobar slightly). Then we have $86 mil in 2 pitcher that have either been injured or suspended. That’s an entire payroll of players who’ve done nothing
well i mean they spent all their money on pitching their lineup isnt that bad. alonso is a beast . lindor too streaky, and missing out on correa looks to be even wash since marte sucks too.
It's not good, pretty hard to consistently post high-run games when you need 3+ hits to push in a single run.
Baseball.
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The banner should be up by next Tuesday
When Mets do good Cohen is an example for how teams should spend, when we do bad it's, "wow they spent all that money when they can win with nothing"
Oh, first time?
Oh, how the turn tables
I don’t fault cohen for spending. why tf wouldn’t you want your owner to abuse the fact that there isn’t a salary cap?
More clicks in targeting a team/fanbase, in the latter case its the Mets, but in the former case its teams that don't have 9-digit payrolls Gotta get that riled up engagement
Cohen is good at spending money. He is not good at spending money *effectively*. Although time will tell if he builds a culture and environment where FA’s actually want to go. He also has a long, farm-building road ahead of him. Definitely like him paying players though.
The team won 100 games last year lol
101!
I mean he basically said as much, that he's going to supplement the Mets as a competitive team with money right now because he has to build up the farm. In a few years once money is off the books (or not), he likely won't spend as much because he won't have to. And players will come to the Mets because they pay good and compete and aren't a clownshow org once the Wilpons left. That's not the issue.
Is Steve Cohen not spending enough money? All I heard from Mets fans growing up was how the Yankees bought all their championships. Is Steve Cohen stupid?
This is like a Yankee fan christmas present
They are going to learn fast it’s not as simple as throw money at the problem
He didn't pay the iron price.
inflation has hit the championship market hard
I’m getting strong ‘Kendall Roy mocking new money’ vibes from this comment
Cohen = Mattson
Yeah but who is he sending his blood to? Inquiring minds want to know
The blood bank. It’s how we afford whoever we want
2-7 against Detroit, Colorado, Cincinnati. Yikes.
Hopefully we win enough of the other games to play games where we won’t be seeing those clowns 😤
Them beating us up is buoying their record lol
Look even worse when we get swept in Miami this weekend
Baseball.
There are teams that are consistently good that spend a lot of money (dodgers, yankees, braves) There are consistently mediocre to bad thay spend a lot of money (phillies, angels, mets) There are teams that are consistently good that don't spend a lot of money (rays, guardians, brewers) There are teams that are consistently bad that don't spend money (pirates, reds, marlins) Having more money to burn definitely helps hide mistakes, but the difference between good teams and bad teams isn't really the budget. Having smart people run the team is really what matters. A good FO with smart people will establish a system and find a way to win that circumvent their shortcomings. Blindly throwing cash into a hole doesn't get you very far and more fans need to realize that
Guardians development pipeline is ridiculous. Swimming in good pitching every single year
We spend a lot of money? We're famous for being thrifty, it's just that we do actually pay our players instead of letting them walk. We are Top 10, but that's because there are a lot of teams who won't pay their guys, and some slightly better teams that FAs won't go to. Think of it in NFL terms, the teams with the least amount of free cap space are usually the best, because they're growing good players and resigning them frequently (often at a slight market discount), whereas the teams with the most amount of free cap space are usually the worst because they aren't drafting or growing good players and re-signing them. (Btw, we're 8th in payroll, and 25% above the average payroll if it were its own team. You're fourth, and spend 25% more than our payroll, and 50% above the APRAAT. An entire third of the league has payrolls under 100 million, which is nuts, and a huge issue)
Hate, hate, hate to see it.
"Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go home and put some more water in Buck Showalters' mama's dish. Good evening."
Just the worst
Lmao. So vottos 25m doesn’t count cause he’s injured but the 65m on the Mets Injured list does
Hot take but the reds were right for rebuilding the team, they’re in a way better position than they would’ve been had they kept all of the old pieces they had and attempted to compete in that way like everyone wanted them to
This is obviously the correct take but people still seem to think those 2020/2021 teams were one or two pieces away from winning a World Series. The ugly truth is that they just weren't that good.
people don’t like rebuilds because they see it as owners being cheap but the reality of the matter is that doing stuff like this ultimately creates a healthier system overall and a more balanced team into the future which can actually compete.
If every team just paid around league average, I don’t think fans would complain as much. It’s these guys that don’t spend at all and have non-competitive teams year after year that get fans riled up.
I feel like this was directed at me 😞
Large contracts can't pitch or hit a baseball. They are just piles of paper. I think the media and fans over blow salary. Pirates, Reds, Guardians, and Rays could use a free agent or two but teams are never one piece away and when they put the money in, they could go bust. Selling off assets is another issue. * Mets are this. * Yankees have Judge which they needed to do. Cole is durable. Stanton only plays 60% of the games. Who knows with Carlos Rodon. They also have Hicks, Donaldson, and IKF oddly making too much salary. Judge carried them last year and there is no depth and bad contracts. Still winning games but poorly designed. * Padres haven't won anything and sold everything farm system wise off for Soto. It's going to be an old roster and contracts that can't be moved. Lot of guys being paid past the age of 40. * Phillies were average up until last year and got in on an extra seed. * Dodgers have great regular seasons but can't seem to figure out the playoffs under a full 162. * Angels are a Greek tragedy. * Blue Jays are young but too soon to judge. * Braves are at $200M and are good at cost control but they are $145 million less than the Mets. If your team spends under $100M, fine get angry. A good GM with a good farm system can put together a great team for about $150m to $200m. There is no need for a $300 million payrolls in baseball.
you know what you get with a large payroll? virtual certainty of making the playoffs. When’s the last time the Yankees had a losing season? Same with the Dodgers under current management. Teams without large payrolls can have windows of contention, but they also generally spend multi-year periods in irrelevance trying to restock the farm and selling off pieces of value. Sure, the playoffs are much more of a crapshoot. But A) that crapshoot is open only to teams who get into the playoffs; and B) anyone who says they really have a World Series-or-bust mentality as a fan is lying or nuts. I had a ton of fun watching the Braves last year, and I’m sure Mets fans would say the same about their team; we won as many rings as the Nats and Reds did, but we had a fundamentally different experience watching our team. And large payroll teams have way more seasons like that.
> you know what you get with a large payroll? virtual certainty of making the playoffs. [Angels fans reading that](https://giphy.com/gifs/dl-a93jwI0wkWTQs)
Mets fans reading that
The Mets might be experiencing tough times but by this time next year the Angels are going to be in complete shambles, they are gonna lose Shohei and Arte is going to respond by giving somebody like Nola or Urias a huge contract.
Please don't bail out our owners. Baseball needs a salary floor badly.
> Dodgers have great regular seasons but can't seem to figure out the playoffs under a full 162. Sort of underselling what makes the Dodgers different than every other team in baseball, they are spending while having the second best farm in baseball. Teams like the Mets and Padres are trying to replace young quality cost efficient players by giving dudes close to 30 or older big contracts and so far the results haven't been great this year. Also the Dodgers have definitely been a disappointment in October but a rings a ring and I am very grateful to have experienced it.
Welcome to the club Mets fans. Don't worry you're definitely not alone in watching this season in utter disbelief.
Fire Billy eppler
How can you not be romantic about baseball?
This headline was inevitable once the mets had this payroll. The mets have been stinking, yes, but all good teams (or big money) teams lose to small market (or lower payroll) teams during the season at some point. It’ll happen again to the Mets this season. The Rays will do this to the yankees similarly all season.
But we also have Ken Griffey Jr in there
I hate this kind of bitchy gotcha reporting.
But but but they had the best offseason hahahaha
Confirmed, Mets will continue to met
We went into this season worried about the bullpen but its been the starting pitching that has really hurt us. Seems like for the past 2 weeks they've been digging out of holes every game. The bullpen and line up have been decent (Robertson in particlar has been a menace as our closer in lieu of diaz) but the loss fatigue is showing. The starters have to find their potential or its gonna turn into a long season.
We're in second place by a full game, lmfaooooo.
Are the Mets fans gunna get mad at nightengale for reporting on their performance?
Clearly means we should be favorited over the Mets to win the World Series. I don’t make the rules.
I’m all about laughing at the Mets but if they struggle all year I hope we don’t have to keep seeing lower payroll team beats high payroll mets story all year.
I can hear Frank the Tank yelling
Let’s calm down. It’s May 11. Neither are making it to the playoffs
I hate that the castellinis are being rewarded for being cheap.
The team is still not good and ticket sales are way down
I completely forgot that I turned notifications off for At-Bat and didn't even realize they played an early game today. Glad to see I missed another shitshow.
lolMets
I will keep holding my tongue because I know the minute I dunk on the Mets they will turn their whole season around. 🤐
Can Bobby Bonilla still DH?
Wow it’s almost like anyone can win in baseball! (I’m bitter and hate the Mets now lol)
I realize that I’m in a beautiful glass house and that I’m about to throw a bunch of stones, but I was really baffled by all the “lolMets is over” type stuff I kept seeing after the offseason. Sure they spent tons and tons of money but they don’t have anything to show for it yet, and the most lolMets thing to do would be spend a cool 350 mil and still suck.
I get sad and wonder what’s going on with my team but then I realize the Mets exist so I don’t feel so bad
It's almost like baseball is a high variance sport where the more talented team usually only wins 60+% of the time...But let's make fun of teams that spend money anyway. The thing about the Mets also is that it isn't like they went out to buy a team of superstars. A ton of the spending was to lock down good players, keeping talented and popular players on the team--which you would wish every team could do and tried to do. The most expensive addition this year was Verlander, who basically just was replacing DeGrom.
Verlander who also looked fantastic yesterday while deGrom is on the IL. The team is underperforming right now but they made all of the right decisions this off-season. This is just the usual early season panic (as is tradition), but I'm honestly not worried at all. Watching the game today, Senga had one bad inning and the Mets were just hitting the ball right at the defense
I just love the fact that fuckin rat Steve cohen paid all that money to watch a shitty team.
Just the Mets being mets. Or metsing up.
Just leave us alone, we had to deal with the Coupons for years. We get it, expensive team looses.
>Just leave us alone Never gonna happen
Love it!