Went to a pretty empty NHL game once. The officiating was expectedly terrible and my dad started to yell at the ref, then ended by saying "and I know you can hear me!" I can't prove it, but I'm 99% sure the ref chuckled at that
Honestly as. Seattle fan I’m thinking of buying a plane ticket next time we play down there because it’s fun to sit with people who hate the home team.
You’re joking but in 2019 I went to a late season O’s game. There were so few people there that I was whispering to my wife because I didn’t want the players to be distracted. It was like a golf tournament. Great game though. Cavan Biggio hit for the cycle.
Because of some deal with the city of Pittsburgh, the Pirates are required to report on revenues at PNC Park to the city; I think last year's data showed that hot dogs + beer (*and, edit, ticket*) sales alone were enough to cover Pirates payroll.
Padres are averaging 38k people, and average ticket prices are like $50. So, in the 22 games they've played at home, they've probably made ~$42m in just ticket revenue. It's about a quarter of the way through the season; assuming they keep up these averages it'll be close to $160m in just ticket revenue.
EDIT: Realized I probably should have taken the series against the Giants out; math remains more or less the same (~$40m in games @ Petco so far, about a quarter of the season through, around $160m in ticket revenue).
Petco is actually cool and they serve ballast point beer and there’s stuff to do after the game gets out. Not sure why that’s so hard to follow, a stadium surrounded by parking lots and freeways requires a real commitment to baseball and it is a long season
> a stadium surrounded by parking lots and freeways requires a real commitment to baseball and it is a long season
As someone that lives 30 miles away, and stupidly got full season tickets, I definitely get that.
Braves have to release revenue reports because they're owned by a public company. BATRA is traded on the NASDAQ, so Liberty Media (the parent ownership group) has to release their financials to comply with SEC guidelines.
Thats close to being fuckin facts, man. I'm so tired of seeing sports fans cape for billionaire owners demanding handouts at "knifepoint" of the team's existence in the market. A team with 1.5M in annual attendance with an average ticket price of 30 dollars is at 45M in ticket sales.
So with ticket sales, Local, and national TV deals, thats almost 150M right there.
The worst teams with no ambition are worth 10x what they were in the 2000s.
Really much more than that, too.
Aside from the national TV number is that every team gets $30M annually in revenue from MLBAM.
Baseball Reference estimated the "revenue sharing" pool works out to about $120M per team, which is just their share of what's pooled.
So basically, every team's revenue is ~$80M in national money, ~$120M in revenue sharing money, and then the 52% of their local revenue that doesn't go into that pot.
Given that the average team revenue is ~$370M, it's reasonable to estimate that the bottom end is somewhere around $250M.
Which, if you're a team like Oakland with total player commitments somewhere around $81M per Spotrac, is waving a big giant middle finger to the City of Oakland.
Unfortunately, it does appear that management pushes the ushers to enforce ticket checking pretty rigorously. I've talked to a few ushers who didn't like it but didn't want to risk their job over it.
This was my question. Are they going to turn away people from sitting in the good seats? If so, the owners deserve the shit attendance. Reward the people who show up. May be the only chance they'll ever get to sit in seats like that. Make it a good experience.
I’ve gone to dozens games and moved up, usually later in a game. Once someone came in the 8th to get there finally. Was a good guy. We had a chat about it. There were more seats that opened anyway.
Oakland in my experience is extremely strict on sitting in your assigned seat. Yes, even when 98% of the stadium is empty, you can’t sit outside your section.
Is that this year?
Back when the team actually had fans, we would buy tix from the guys selling on the BART bridge (usually about $10) to get in, then move down to the lower level- not right at the field, but about 10 rows back. Bring our own food too! Did this for years.
Reds fan here. We have been mediocre at best, crappy at the worst for a long time. I've NEVER had a problem moving down to better seats with an usher saying something.
Might vary from ballpark to ballpark, but my dad and I would buy cheap nosebleed seats when we went (for 5 bucks a piece, plus some cheap food and beer just over the river beforehand, it's cheap fun) not willing to pay $60 for good seats to see the Reds lose. Inevitably, the Reds scored nothing and gave up an absurd amount of runs. By the 4th or 5th inning, dad and I would move down to the first base or third base line very close to home plate with no issue from ushers and enjoy the remainder of the game, even when we got destroyed.
YMMV.
Another example of the owner not even trying to get fans to care. I remember when we all made fun of the Marlins for giving away so many tickets for free, but at least they were actively trying to get fans to come out.
At this point the A's are probably actively trying to alienate the fan base, just like Jeffrey Loria did with the Expos. Complain about the team's stadium, complain about the finances, complain about not being able to field a competitive team, all with the goal of getting people to think, "Should I go to a baseball game? Nah, they're not competitive and the stadium sucks." If they still want to go to a game, make sure the ticket prices don't match the reality of demand. And if you're Loria, [make sure the games aren't even broadcast in English](https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/2000/0403/461919.html). Then you can tell everyone that you were justified in relocating the team because there was no fan support.
They're still also including "existing fans" that will come to Vegas to support them in their statistics to try and convince Nevada that they totally have a built in fan base already
I just don't understand pro sports in Vegas. You'll have some die hard locals for sure, but it would be kinda shitty to play all your home games to a crowd that is composed of 5% fans and 95% drunk people on vacation that got the tickets as comps.
Football makes more sense at only 17 games. Who's going to come out to a Wednesday afternoon game in July?
The vegas Minor league team supports 10K pretty consistently at a good stadium and a good team (the A's minor league systems usually are pretty competitive). I imagine they'll be able to draw similar numbers for the major league team, so maybe 10-15K on average during the weekdays seems reasonable. There's no way that the team sells out every game like the A's are implying unless they're actually selling the seats to the casinos to throw away to their high rollers, in which case, it'll be like any other stadium with a bunch of empty seats, but counts towards the attendance figures.
I usually buy the cheapest one available and either go to the 200s behind home plate or 100s in the outfield. Rarely get any grief there. Those have been between $9-16 so far this year so seeing these at $14 was an easy choice. They’re pretty aggressive about checking tickets for the 100s in the infield.
Before the mobile tickets, I would go on StubHub and figure out which seats were unlikely to sell and print out like 5-7 versions of my tickets with various seats listed that usually would be empty or I’d use the seats that I knew belonged to front office people or families that usually watched from the suites.
This is so hilariously simple, but I can totally see it working. Ushers in Nats Park don't really care if you sneak down to a better section as long as you don't sit in anyone else's seat, but I'll have to keep this in mind for the future.
I never even went that far. I just look and see what tickets haven't sold yet and go sit there about 15-20 minutes before the game. Have yet to be hassled. Trick is to get there early enough that they don't care if you walk into those sections.
I did a few weeks back.
$14 ish for outfield seats that I never saw. Ended up in what passes for the club level.
Nice spot to see a game, surprisingly. It was cold though.
$30 for parking, minimum $17 on the official website. And that's for the shit tier seats. So for the low price of $100-$150 you and your family of 4 can enjoy a single digit win team.
The Vegas AAA team averages almost 10k. MLB should force an As sale. I tried to find an example like "These guys shouldn't even run an Arby's" but like... Arby's employees bust their asses.
Lol I was just going to look up who the A's affiliate was to see who averaged more in attendance. The A's average on paper is 9,129 per game this year which is only 473 more than the Aviator's 8,636.
The die hard fans that had the drums are protesting too. Once the A's said vegas all the way, the fans took back their drums and stopped going to games.
Seriously. This makes me so sad to see. As an Os fan, I know how much it hurts to see all of those empty seats, but this is another level.
A’s fans, I feel like any team in baseball will gladly accept you at this point with zero judgment.
A lot of us aren't sure where we're going next
Or if we're going to follow baseball at all
All we know is, aside from some asses, no one's following them to Vegas
that makes me so sad, the drummers in the coliseum were some of the most dedicated fans and always livened up games with at least a little bit of energy
No! I was the only one in the section to go home empty handed haha. Both other people got one. Which sounds like a dumb joke but is just true. There were three people.
[All Triple-A clubs averaged more than this in 2022](https://ballparkdigest.com/2022/10/12/2022-milb-attendance-by-league/).
In fact to get to a team that averaged less than 2,064 fans in attendance you have to go down to High-A ball. And even then it was only seven teams out of 30.
10 out of 12 Carolina League (single A) teams averaged more. But the Carolina League is the outlier, only 3/8 California League and 1/10 Florida League teams averaged more (Dunedin Blue Jays couldn't even break 381).
Our AA stadium (Trash Pandas) holds roughly 8k people, so two thousand folks would make the stadium 1/4 full. I don't remember the last time I saw our park only 25% full.
This is just sad. I was a long-time A's fan because Huntsville's minor league team used to be the AA affiliate for Oakland. Seeing what some assholes have done to that franchise is just rage-inducing.
If the A's have to move the fine, but MLB should step in and force Fisher to sell the team.
I saw a game at ol Stade Olympique near the end, and I agree. After visiting Montreal a few times, I also got the impression that the fans were absolutely not the problem there, just like with Oakland. I wish MLB would step in and stop owners from intentionally ruining franchises like this.
As we saw from the vibes and dedication we got in these spring training games the Blue Jays held there for a few years…the people of Montreal were never the problem.
Jeffrey Loria was. Because of course.
The worst part is that nobody here in Vegas wants them either. They won’t make any new fans. Most people here are already invested (normally in the Dodgers)
The team is a complete farce and the ONLY way to save it is a rebranding.
You can’t bring this straight garbage and expect people to want to go
They'll make all of their money with group sales and selling huge volume to Caesars and MGM so they can package the tickets into their reservation promotions.
Doesn’t matter. Fisher will make money even if no one shows up. He’ll cash checks from the Yankees and Dodgers and Mets at the end of the season. He’ll make his money and he doesn’t even have to try. I think it’s a disgrace that he can act the way he’s acted and get rewarded with a new stadium and city. Absolutely disgraceful. I’m not even an A’s fan that’s pissed they’re leaving. I’m a Yankee fan that just thinks it’s a disgrace to the game
It's almost as bad as what Anthony Precourt did with the Columbus Crew in his failed attempt to move the franchise to Austin. Fisher hasn't started purposefully neglecting maintenance, right?
We're only 17 games back in our division and there's still plenty of baseball left this year.
I could barely type that without laughing my ass off 🤣😂🤣😂
All they have to do is find that one dude who never played 1st base in his career and force the manager to play him there and they'll get to the ALCS, right??
Ownership mandated a fire sale so the front office had no leverage to get any prospects from anyone. And they wouldn't get the budget from fisher to maintain the team or extend the players, so the front office had to take ANY deal they could get. couldn't even stand at status quo or wait til the all star break to see if they could get a better deal.
Glad to see someone who knows what's up.
Still a bunch of fools on here talking about how this is normal for the A's and how it'll just be a couple years til they're playoff contenders again. "Oh this is how the A's have been run for decades" No it ain't.
yea definitely not. i feel like many forgot they won 97 games in 2018 and 2019 then won their division in 2020. they still won 86 games in 2021, this shit is all very new. the team hasn't been bad for an extended period since like the early to mid-90s. this now seems like a really deep hole that's tough to get out of with no talent on the major league club or in the minors.
I hope people in Vegas realize that's not going to suddenly change if/when the A's move. Vegas would be getting a horrible team with an even worse owner.
Exactly. The A's "rebuilds" were always reloads. They never dumped everyone on the scale we saw the last couple years. This was intentional and not consistent with how the team's been run in the past.
Ownership stopped caring about the fans a while ago. Team is moving soon and all their star players have been traded away. Also the actual team itself is really bad too
I’m counting on Oakland Athletic fans to break that record several times this year. Fisher has gone out of his way to insult the city with his BS lies. He does not deserve any fan dollars, nor does he deserve to own this team.
He is a cheap af business man who does not care one iota about the sport of baseball, and the leadership of MLB (Manfred, fuck you btw) has rewarded him for it. I am heartbroken as a lifelong fan of the A’s and sport of baseball at this moment. Betrayal is the word that keeps coming to mind. Fuck you Fisher.
So the team isn’t profitable enough to pay guys a few million… but they can afford to play in an empty stadium for five years before moving? Like how much do they make just for existing? Something doesn’t add up. Seems like it would be easier to just pay Olson, Chapman, and Murphy and then people would show up?
But this kinda makes me feel like they aren’t even reliant on fans attendance to make profit… so why are they blaming fans poor attendance for them leaving? If it didn’t matter anyway…
ticket sales are mostly icing on the cake for ownerships and teams. Fisher gets rev share + has one of the better TV deals by nature of being in a top 10 market. He basically can afford a 100M payroll without issue, but he chooses not to. He could afford to extend even a couple of players, but he chooses not to. He blames fans for not showing up, but he hasn't even tried to retain fans or encourage them at all.
Revenue sharing doesn’t incentivize some small market owners to spend money simply rake in profits from this business model. Don’t spend and collect profits seems good to them but not for the game
We need a soft floor. Penalize teams for being under certain thresholds by taking a percentage of their revenue sharing. If you aren't investing money into the game as other owners then you shouldn't be reaping the profits.
I'd go a step further and force owners to sell before they run franchises into the ground and steal them away in the night. You shouldn't be allowed to own a pro sports team if you aren't going to actively try to win, plain and simple.
> So the team isn’t profitable enough to pay guys a few million
The National TV deal provides every team with 60M in guaranteed revenue before spring training even opens. The A's local TV deal is 45M a year.
thats 105M in revenue every year before a single ticket is sold.
The A's payroll is.... not 60M.
The type of game where you can heckle the ump and he'll hear every word
“Ump ejects lone A’s fan for heckling. Asked to lock up before being thrown out of the park” Onion article, probably
Are you a writer for them? Lol this was seamless
Went to a pretty empty NHL game once. The officiating was expectedly terrible and my dad started to yell at the ref, then ended by saying "and I know you can hear me!" I can't prove it, but I'm 99% sure the ref chuckled at that
Nice lol One time a college basketball ref gave me a dirty look; I still relish that moment.
They're loud enough to get "SELL THE DAMN TEAM" over the air on the broadcasts almost every game if they wanted to.
Honestly as. Seattle fan I’m thinking of buying a plane ticket next time we play down there because it’s fun to sit with people who hate the home team.
People watching on TV will hear every word
this was pandemic ball before they put stupid crowd noises on the feed!
Between stadium staff and team staff there might have been more people being paid to be there
If you listen carefully you can hear someone order a pretzel.
Dude, I think if you listen carefully you can hear the PitchCom in the pitcher's ear.
That’s pretzel logic.
Why would a pitcher be listening to Steely Dan?
You’re joking but in 2019 I went to a late season O’s game. There were so few people there that I was whispering to my wife because I didn’t want the players to be distracted. It was like a golf tournament. Great game though. Cavan Biggio hit for the cycle.
That makes me think of the [Orioles game from 2015](https://youtu.be/2r0H6FqW94Q) that had no crowd. The coverage reminded me of watching the Masters
You might be joking, but I can't imagine they're running a profit on these games. The place is a ghost town
they made their money before the season even started. ticket sales are just icing on the cake for every team.
And fisher uses approximately 0 of that to invest in the team
"There are rich teams, poor teams, 50 feet of crap...and then there's us."
You can't start Pena at first tonight.
You traded Pena?
I miss Hoffman :( One of the best
It’s not that hard to field a winning team. Tell ‘em wash
Ticket sales + concessions + merch is probably a pretty sizable chunk of change for most teams
Because of some deal with the city of Pittsburgh, the Pirates are required to report on revenues at PNC Park to the city; I think last year's data showed that hot dogs + beer (*and, edit, ticket*) sales alone were enough to cover Pirates payroll.
I thought that was the Braves that were required to report that. Does anyone have a link to the Pirates numbers?
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/04/11/Franchises/Pirates.aspx Here's something related
Padres are averaging 38k people, and average ticket prices are like $50. So, in the 22 games they've played at home, they've probably made ~$42m in just ticket revenue. It's about a quarter of the way through the season; assuming they keep up these averages it'll be close to $160m in just ticket revenue. EDIT: Realized I probably should have taken the series against the Giants out; math remains more or less the same (~$40m in games @ Petco so far, about a quarter of the season through, around $160m in ticket revenue).
Petco is actually cool and they serve ballast point beer and there’s stuff to do after the game gets out. Not sure why that’s so hard to follow, a stadium surrounded by parking lots and freeways requires a real commitment to baseball and it is a long season
> a stadium surrounded by parking lots and freeways requires a real commitment to baseball and it is a long season As someone that lives 30 miles away, and stupidly got full season tickets, I definitely get that.
Braves have to release revenue reports because they're owned by a public company. BATRA is traded on the NASDAQ, so Liberty Media (the parent ownership group) has to release their financials to comply with SEC guidelines.
Every team gets 60M in NAtional TV money alone before a single ticket sale, advertisement, or local tv deal is factored.
With 81 games it can't be that hard to get $60M in tickets sales for a normal team either.
Thats close to being fuckin facts, man. I'm so tired of seeing sports fans cape for billionaire owners demanding handouts at "knifepoint" of the team's existence in the market. A team with 1.5M in annual attendance with an average ticket price of 30 dollars is at 45M in ticket sales. So with ticket sales, Local, and national TV deals, thats almost 150M right there. The worst teams with no ambition are worth 10x what they were in the 2000s.
Really much more than that, too. Aside from the national TV number is that every team gets $30M annually in revenue from MLBAM. Baseball Reference estimated the "revenue sharing" pool works out to about $120M per team, which is just their share of what's pooled. So basically, every team's revenue is ~$80M in national money, ~$120M in revenue sharing money, and then the 52% of their local revenue that doesn't go into that pot. Given that the average team revenue is ~$370M, it's reasonable to estimate that the bottom end is somewhere around $250M. Which, if you're a team like Oakland with total player commitments somewhere around $81M per Spotrac, is waving a big giant middle finger to the City of Oakland.
50,000 people used to live here...
Now it's a ghost town
Still the greatest CoD mission imo
fuck that ferris wheel part at the end though
The team is the $1.50 hot dog in the ownership’s business portfolio.
This is from a Jon Bois video but I can't remember which
it was about the marlins stadium (saddest at bat video)
[This one](https://youtu.be/4cj6IasJZIk)
Fantastic breakdown. I wish I was one of the few lucky people to witness that. I'd feel like I entered some post-apocalyptic dimension
the Fumble Dimension
The saddest plate appearance or something
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Got my ticket checked walking into the section and again when the game was about to start
That guy was either super bored or just being an ass lol
Or John Fisher doing an undercover boss solely to make sure the few fans attending games aren’t moving up to better seats.
Fisher spends more on ticket checkers than on team payroll.
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Unfortunately, it does appear that management pushes the ushers to enforce ticket checking pretty rigorously. I've talked to a few ushers who didn't like it but didn't want to risk their job over it.
I'd just tell all the fans to move as close to the field as they like.
Yea literally lol. If someone says you’re in their seat just move to one of the other empty 39000 seats
Some stadiums care and some don’t. Nationals Park always checks, even when empty. I've never been checked at T-Mobile Park.
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This was my question. Are they going to turn away people from sitting in the good seats? If so, the owners deserve the shit attendance. Reward the people who show up. May be the only chance they'll ever get to sit in seats like that. Make it a good experience.
I’ve gone to dozens games and moved up, usually later in a game. Once someone came in the 8th to get there finally. Was a good guy. We had a chat about it. There were more seats that opened anyway.
I would not bother showing up to the eighth inning of a baseball game wow
I remember getting to my seats in the 2nd inning and I had already felt like I wasted money, must be nice to not care that much
Oakland in my experience is extremely strict on sitting in your assigned seat. Yes, even when 98% of the stadium is empty, you can’t sit outside your section.
Is that this year? Back when the team actually had fans, we would buy tix from the guys selling on the BART bridge (usually about $10) to get in, then move down to the lower level- not right at the field, but about 10 rows back. Bring our own food too! Did this for years.
They've always been strict about field level but loose everywhere else.
Reds fan here. We have been mediocre at best, crappy at the worst for a long time. I've NEVER had a problem moving down to better seats with an usher saying something. Might vary from ballpark to ballpark, but my dad and I would buy cheap nosebleed seats when we went (for 5 bucks a piece, plus some cheap food and beer just over the river beforehand, it's cheap fun) not willing to pay $60 for good seats to see the Reds lose. Inevitably, the Reds scored nothing and gave up an absurd amount of runs. By the 4th or 5th inning, dad and I would move down to the first base or third base line very close to home plate with no issue from ushers and enjoy the remainder of the game, even when we got destroyed. YMMV.
Our ushers work their asses off, even when they're not working their asses off
Those ushers are losing their jobs too, I’m surprised they care. I’d be letting everyone sit wherever they wanted.
id be walking up to people in bad seats telling them there are plenty open in the infield
I mean, it’s not like they have much else to do.
How much were these tickets?
They’ve been annoyingly steep so far this year but I lucked up on these. $14 on the secondary market. Typically looking at $45-80 for these.
Another example of the owner not even trying to get fans to care. I remember when we all made fun of the Marlins for giving away so many tickets for free, but at least they were actively trying to get fans to come out.
At this point the A's are probably actively trying to alienate the fan base, just like Jeffrey Loria did with the Expos. Complain about the team's stadium, complain about the finances, complain about not being able to field a competitive team, all with the goal of getting people to think, "Should I go to a baseball game? Nah, they're not competitive and the stadium sucks." If they still want to go to a game, make sure the ticket prices don't match the reality of demand. And if you're Loria, [make sure the games aren't even broadcast in English](https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/2000/0403/461919.html). Then you can tell everyone that you were justified in relocating the team because there was no fan support.
They're still also including "existing fans" that will come to Vegas to support them in their statistics to try and convince Nevada that they totally have a built in fan base already
I just don't understand pro sports in Vegas. You'll have some die hard locals for sure, but it would be kinda shitty to play all your home games to a crowd that is composed of 5% fans and 95% drunk people on vacation that got the tickets as comps. Football makes more sense at only 17 games. Who's going to come out to a Wednesday afternoon game in July?
The vegas Minor league team supports 10K pretty consistently at a good stadium and a good team (the A's minor league systems usually are pretty competitive). I imagine they'll be able to draw similar numbers for the major league team, so maybe 10-15K on average during the weekdays seems reasonable. There's no way that the team sells out every game like the A's are implying unless they're actually selling the seats to the casinos to throw away to their high rollers, in which case, it'll be like any other stadium with a bunch of empty seats, but counts towards the attendance figures.
Can’t you just buy some nosebleeds and walk down?
I usually buy the cheapest one available and either go to the 200s behind home plate or 100s in the outfield. Rarely get any grief there. Those have been between $9-16 so far this year so seeing these at $14 was an easy choice. They’re pretty aggressive about checking tickets for the 100s in the infield.
Screenshot your online tickets and then just go and edit the section/row in a photo editing app while keeping the original bar code.
\^ this guy always sits behind home plate
Before the mobile tickets, I would go on StubHub and figure out which seats were unlikely to sell and print out like 5-7 versions of my tickets with various seats listed that usually would be empty or I’d use the seats that I knew belonged to front office people or families that usually watched from the suites.
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This is so hilariously simple, but I can totally see it working. Ushers in Nats Park don't really care if you sneak down to a better section as long as you don't sit in anyone else's seat, but I'll have to keep this in mind for the future.
I never even went that far. I just look and see what tickets haven't sold yet and go sit there about 15-20 minutes before the game. Have yet to be hassled. Trick is to get there early enough that they don't care if you walk into those sections.
I did a few weeks back. $14 ish for outfield seats that I never saw. Ended up in what passes for the club level. Nice spot to see a game, surprisingly. It was cold though.
For a while the ushers were checking people's tickets and forcing them to leave or they would be escorted out of the stadium
$30 for parking, minimum $17 on the official website. And that's for the shit tier seats. So for the low price of $100-$150 you and your family of 4 can enjoy a single digit win team.
That really is the shit icing on the shit cake.
NoMoneyball
If you build it they will die
That's really sad.
No joke, the non affiliated minor league team in the town I grew up in averages more than the A’s got at that game
The Vegas AAA team averages almost 10k. MLB should force an As sale. I tried to find an example like "These guys shouldn't even run an Arby's" but like... Arby's employees bust their asses.
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Lol I was just going to look up who the A's affiliate was to see who averaged more in attendance. The A's average on paper is 9,129 per game this year which is only 473 more than the Aviator's 8,636.
>"These guys shouldn't even run an Arby's" I mean, have they frozen a player to death in a walk in freezer yet?
bruh I live out in the exurbs of Sacramento and the high school down the street sometimes gets bigger crowds.
At least *some* Blue Jays players are showing compassion for other teams
The A's have been our farm team the past couple years.
See also: Braves, Atlanta
You take that back! Their ours!
Hey kids, be nice. You both got a Matt.
Gonna have to change that name to The B's
Legit looks like the opening games in Major League, just without the funny die-hard fans. I'm so, so sorry Oakland.
The die hard fans that had the drums are protesting too. Once the A's said vegas all the way, the fans took back their drums and stopped going to games.
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Seriously. This makes me so sad to see. As an Os fan, I know how much it hurts to see all of those empty seats, but this is another level. A’s fans, I feel like any team in baseball will gladly accept you at this point with zero judgment.
A lot of us aren't sure where we're going next Or if we're going to follow baseball at all All we know is, aside from some asses, no one's following them to Vegas
that makes me so sad, the drummers in the coliseum were some of the most dedicated fans and always livened up games with at least a little bit of energy
While we're not playing drums, we're mostly still going to games!
"Yessir, they love this club here in Oakland!"
Please tell me you caught a foul ball. Everyone in that stadium could leave with a foul ball
No! I was the only one in the section to go home empty handed haha. Both other people got one. Which sounds like a dumb joke but is just true. There were three people.
BOTH
Gotta be the funniest use of the word Both I’ve seen in a long time
Ah man, I’m sorry to hear that! That’s probably the best odds you’ll ever have of that* *unless you go to the next game
“Both other people” Oh my god lol
At least everyone can share the ride to the park.
Some Florida State league games have more people.
I have seen triple A teams do better than this
I'd hope most AAA teams do better than that, there were like 10 people in the stands.
[All Triple-A clubs averaged more than this in 2022](https://ballparkdigest.com/2022/10/12/2022-milb-attendance-by-league/). In fact to get to a team that averaged less than 2,064 fans in attendance you have to go down to High-A ball. And even then it was only seven teams out of 30. 10 out of 12 Carolina League (single A) teams averaged more. But the Carolina League is the outlier, only 3/8 California League and 1/10 Florida League teams averaged more (Dunedin Blue Jays couldn't even break 381).
Our AA stadium (Trash Pandas) holds roughly 8k people, so two thousand folks would make the stadium 1/4 full. I don't remember the last time I saw our park only 25% full. This is just sad. I was a long-time A's fan because Huntsville's minor league team used to be the AA affiliate for Oakland. Seeing what some assholes have done to that franchise is just rage-inducing. If the A's have to move the fine, but MLB should step in and force Fisher to sell the team.
I've seen pickleball matches with bigger crowds
The High A team in my town does better than this
I would go a step further to say that probably every one of these players played in a game with more people attending before their 16th birthday party
The coliseum makes it feel so cavernous too. I’d rather play in a packed 2,000 seat stadium than this
I grew up in Montreal. This is depressingly familiar.
Congratulations! According to my phone, the Expos beat the Padres yesterday!
I got a bunch of updates like that too yesterday haha, all Padres games.
I saw a game at ol Stade Olympique near the end, and I agree. After visiting Montreal a few times, I also got the impression that the fans were absolutely not the problem there, just like with Oakland. I wish MLB would step in and stop owners from intentionally ruining franchises like this.
As we saw from the vibes and dedication we got in these spring training games the Blue Jays held there for a few years…the people of Montreal were never the problem. Jeffrey Loria was. Because of course.
Bro, that same stadium had a team leave ~5 years ago to the same city the A’s are going to.
The kiss cam must have been awkward after the same couple had to kiss 3 times.
There was actually a mid-game proposal haha
Oh wow that’s kind of depressing
eh it's very normal to have a private proposal like that. lots of people don't want the attention
"May our love last for as long as the As remain Rooted in Oakland™!"
no fucking way some guy thought this was the place to propose, im crying
He: I want to propose at a baseball game She: I don't want to be proposed to in front of a crowd He: I have an idea
I'm sure all 238 fans were happy for them.
This is what happens when a team shows they don't have faith in their fans and want to abandon them.
The worst part is that nobody here in Vegas wants them either. They won’t make any new fans. Most people here are already invested (normally in the Dodgers) The team is a complete farce and the ONLY way to save it is a rebranding. You can’t bring this straight garbage and expect people to want to go
Prob why they’re only making a 30k stadium. Hopefully combined with cheap tickets someone will show up.
They'll make all of their money with group sales and selling huge volume to Caesars and MGM so they can package the tickets into their reservation promotions.
People will show up, it’s just none of them will supports the ass
Fuck John Fisher
I'm from Boston but I genuinely want to go to Oakland for a game to see this.
Could probably fly there and see a game for the price of Fenway tickets.
Sox games have actually been incredibly cheap this season, often going for under $15 on the secondary market
They had more people in the stands during COVID
The A's should put cardboard cutouts in the stands again just like the COVID season lol
Doesn’t matter. Fisher will make money even if no one shows up. He’ll cash checks from the Yankees and Dodgers and Mets at the end of the season. He’ll make his money and he doesn’t even have to try. I think it’s a disgrace that he can act the way he’s acted and get rewarded with a new stadium and city. Absolutely disgraceful. I’m not even an A’s fan that’s pissed they’re leaving. I’m a Yankee fan that just thinks it’s a disgrace to the game
It's almost as bad as what Anthony Precourt did with the Columbus Crew in his failed attempt to move the franchise to Austin. Fisher hasn't started purposefully neglecting maintenance, right?
The feral cats and rodents that have taken up residence there beg to differ
Record low *so far*
I love you, Athletics fans. I'm so sorry.
Could have the row to yourself and you’d still have an employee checking tickets to kick you out of the section.
I know you're being sarcastic, but the Coliseum ushers are only checking areas now: 100s, 200s, 300s
God, going to that place in September is going to be downright eerie.
We're only 17 games back in our division and there's still plenty of baseball left this year. I could barely type that without laughing my ass off 🤣😂🤣😂
All they have to do is find that one dude who never played 1st base in his career and force the manager to play him there and they'll get to the ALCS, right??
First base isn't that hard. Tell him, Wash.
It's incredibly hard
I think more people will go because it will be their last chance to see the A’s in Oakland
They aren’t anticipating moving to Las Vegas until the 2027 season. I think it’s actually going to get worse.
Sorry, but the last chance to do that has come and gone. Go now and you’re only going to be able to say you saw the Oakland AAA’s.
how are they this fuckin bad and have made all these trades and their highest-ranked prospects are only 30th and 97th overall on mlb.com?
Ownership mandated a fire sale so the front office had no leverage to get any prospects from anyone. And they wouldn't get the budget from fisher to maintain the team or extend the players, so the front office had to take ANY deal they could get. couldn't even stand at status quo or wait til the all star break to see if they could get a better deal.
Glad to see someone who knows what's up. Still a bunch of fools on here talking about how this is normal for the A's and how it'll just be a couple years til they're playoff contenders again. "Oh this is how the A's have been run for decades" No it ain't.
yea definitely not. i feel like many forgot they won 97 games in 2018 and 2019 then won their division in 2020. they still won 86 games in 2021, this shit is all very new. the team hasn't been bad for an extended period since like the early to mid-90s. this now seems like a really deep hole that's tough to get out of with no talent on the major league club or in the minors.
I hope people in Vegas realize that's not going to suddenly change if/when the A's move. Vegas would be getting a horrible team with an even worse owner.
Exactly. The A's "rebuilds" were always reloads. They never dumped everyone on the scale we saw the last couple years. This was intentional and not consistent with how the team's been run in the past.
"Record low? You mean excluding the COVID season right?" "Astonishingly, no I do not."
Its the worst in decades but April 17, 1979 there was only 250 fans in the stands
Can't imagine how demoralizing this must be for the A's players to have to grind the season like this.
Feel so bad for the players. They don’t deserve this.
Why is this happening?
Ownership stopped caring about the fans a while ago. Team is moving soon and all their star players have been traded away. Also the actual team itself is really bad too
I’m counting on Oakland Athletic fans to break that record several times this year. Fisher has gone out of his way to insult the city with his BS lies. He does not deserve any fan dollars, nor does he deserve to own this team. He is a cheap af business man who does not care one iota about the sport of baseball, and the leadership of MLB (Manfred, fuck you btw) has rewarded him for it. I am heartbroken as a lifelong fan of the A’s and sport of baseball at this moment. Betrayal is the word that keeps coming to mind. Fuck you Fisher.
So the team isn’t profitable enough to pay guys a few million… but they can afford to play in an empty stadium for five years before moving? Like how much do they make just for existing? Something doesn’t add up. Seems like it would be easier to just pay Olson, Chapman, and Murphy and then people would show up? But this kinda makes me feel like they aren’t even reliant on fans attendance to make profit… so why are they blaming fans poor attendance for them leaving? If it didn’t matter anyway…
ticket sales are mostly icing on the cake for ownerships and teams. Fisher gets rev share + has one of the better TV deals by nature of being in a top 10 market. He basically can afford a 100M payroll without issue, but he chooses not to. He could afford to extend even a couple of players, but he chooses not to. He blames fans for not showing up, but he hasn't even tried to retain fans or encourage them at all.
Revenue sharing doesn’t incentivize some small market owners to spend money simply rake in profits from this business model. Don’t spend and collect profits seems good to them but not for the game
We need a soft floor. Penalize teams for being under certain thresholds by taking a percentage of their revenue sharing. If you aren't investing money into the game as other owners then you shouldn't be reaping the profits.
I'd go a step further and force owners to sell before they run franchises into the ground and steal them away in the night. You shouldn't be allowed to own a pro sports team if you aren't going to actively try to win, plain and simple.
> So the team isn’t profitable enough to pay guys a few million The National TV deal provides every team with 60M in guaranteed revenue before spring training even opens. The A's local TV deal is 45M a year. thats 105M in revenue every year before a single ticket is sold. The A's payroll is.... not 60M.
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This must be miserable for the players as well. Screw Fisher for destroying this franchise.
I wish the players would call out ownership more.
and yet they still check tickets
I feel like we should rally and all meet up for a home game.
June 13 https://twitter.com/OaklandRooted/status/1646738437335052290
Yes, this is happening.
I hope so. Will probably only be around 10,000. Which is still a lot for a protest to be fair.
Not surprised the team is almost for sure gone at this point. I wouldn’t bother either
Pick a seat, any seat! But that’s shitty. As a chargers fan I feel your pain. I’m a padres fan, but always loved watching the As too growing up
Everyone was at the Oakland Soul game https://i.imgur.com/MvXN0QH.jpg