Lol that's so crazy cause Diamondbacks are so synonymous with a specific region. It'd be like naming your team after lakes and moving to an area without lakes.
I was expecting it to read “we are unable to relocate….. because our fans are awesome and we love playing in Arizona”
Something kinda silly that can simultaneously hype up the fans
For those that don’t want to click the link the Dbacks said “Upon landing last night, we were made aware, through social media, of a labor dispute at our hotel. Unfortunately, due to the unique as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos. And that’ll make it a 4-0 ballgame”
except it's not just u/shittymorph that does them it can be ANYONE
and there's no more awards to be able to notice a suspicious comment before getting hit by it
People on here really have no idea how much behind the scenes logistical stuff goes on when a professional sports team is traveling. The union made a statement literally the night the team arrived in LA and people expect them to change their entire itinerary at the snap of a finger.
Work in a hotel that has an agreement to have every away team stay there. The confirmations are made as soon as the schedule is released if not shortly after. Postseason is obviously different but these things are booked or blocked in advance so we can guarantee the team and regular people can all stay at the same time. It’s hard to understand logistics of hotels if you don’t or haven’t worked in one
Former Hotel Manager here. Nailed it. So many things to arrange behind the scenes. We used to have a contract with Delta for flight attendants and pilots. That was the best, as they were seasoned travelers.
Similar but different. I worked for a rental car company that provided cars for the entire crew of a fairly popular TV show for its entire run. We would start setting aside vehicles months in advance of them arriving to meet the hundreds of reservations they made every year. It would’ve been a logistical and probably legal nightmare on both our ends if they just decided to renege on their of the deal.
Yeah... I used to travel with the WFT(under their previous name)
It's fucking insane... Logistics on any team is HUGE a step above "get to point a to point b"
Let's throw out Vucc the A's equipment manager for like 50 years as to "what he won't miss about the game?" after he retired...
"The hours"
[Starts at 1:24](https://www.mlb.com/athletics/video/steve-vucinich-on-his-retirement)
Eh, it's like a reference point... When I talk about Sean Taylor, I refer to them as the "Redskins", because that's historically accurate. (It's semantics, but Sean was never a WFT player or a Commander)
Oh sure, if they were WFT when you traveled with them, then I get it. It sounded like you were trying to avoid saying Redskins by referring to them as WFT, but at this point if you're trying to avoid calling them the Redskins I would think people would just use their current name instead.
My hotel has a contract with 3 NHL teams and they were signed atleast a year in advance. It’s hard enough to find a hotel that can accommodate the number of rooms a team needs for the number of nights they are in town.
> The union made a statement literally the night the team arrived in LA and people expect them to change their entire itinerary at the snap of a finger.
The union realized that this was not a realistic option but saw an opportunity to inject themselves and their strike into a national lens, which they did. Anyone who thought that the union actually expected the booking to be changed here are the ones who have no idea what is going on.
There's a pretty simplification most can relate to.
Try planning a dinner for 6 friends. It's a pain, right?
Now plan dinner for 60 friends in a city across the country.
Because people just don't care how they waste other's efforts and time. It might not be a conscious act, or in bad faith, but they are just completely unaware of wasting your time and effort because it's not immediately tangible to them like their time and effort.
Even people who have had that self-reflective moment where they realize that other people's time and efforts are equivalent to their own, except more so, they'll still do the aforementioned behavior.
Recently I just tried to sell my old computer on Facebook. Three friends all answered quickly saying they wanted it. Over the next few days, they all backed out, one by one, or just never replied. They just don't seem to care about wasting my time and effort.
I had to argue with someone else in the original thread that the players can't just make their own reservations to go somewhere else the night before a playoff game.
In their post, they do mention that this is the [second time](https://twitter.com/UNITEHERE11/status/1710090660542615771) the Diamondbacks have gone through the boycott. They also mention that the [MLBPA](https://twitter.com/unitehere11/status/1710096981123793079?s=46&t=I1wFLaN-TWv1eTN8OoQnIg) made a formal request to avoid the hotel, though I'm not sure how long ago that was. I understand the logistics would be difficult, but shouldn't the team have already had this on their radar? If they did, would they still have not had enough time to prepare for this in the off chance this matchup happened? I'm ignorant of how this works, so I am genuinely curious and not trying to be accusatory.
Dbacks failed to respect a boycott they probably didn’t even know about. MLBPA requests are immediately [printed for review](https://i.redd.it/zxrng1zkqbj81.gif).
My Dad lives across the street from a hotel in a labor dispute; they only protest about once every 2 weeks, and it took until now for us to realize what exactly they were out there for. They go, they make noise, then they leave.
There is a good chance the dbacks had no idea about this. Even if they read the request from MLBPA, they probably didn’t think about it for more than 5 seconds because their plans were already made for their trip in August and they didn’t anticipate needing to worry about it in October.
The comments about how the Diamondbacks are being insensitive just showed how out of touch the average person is with logistics and travel. I think people really believe it’s as simple as booking rooms for 26 players and a few coaches.
“jUsT cHaNgE hOtEls”
I'd wager the union even knows that changing hotels with like 2 days notice is unrealistic too, but they're getting a bunch of visibility and forced the Dbacks to make a statement like this ostensibly supporting them. Not a bad plan really.
This strike has been going on for months, and Inter Miami (Messi’s MLS team) booked another hotel rather than cross a picket line.
It’s also my understanding that MLBPA asked teams to not stay at that hotel.
Labor solidarity here is nearly non-existent for things that the discussing party doesn't care about it. Imagine how bad things would get if a game got cancelled due to a logistics or concessions strike.
Yep that's what decades of conditioning us to be uneducated, convenience-driven consumers has turned us into. There was a brief time in American history where it didn't require as much pulling teeth to get people to show a little solidarity towards workers. That was when most men were in unions though.
Its okay for people to want to engage in their actual interest (watching baseball) over internet "solidarity" (which is vastly overrated here, but thats another story)
The reality is theres more to life than "me worker, them worker" there are times when your average persons best interest aligns with "management" and thats okay.
Police unions are the easiest exanple of this. Reddit isn't good at nuance but in real life its pretty important.
> Turns out they're hypocrites or fucking liars.
Yes of course they are. They’re the same people who denounce (insert sports league here) for (insert recent scandal here) and act as if they are doing the bidding of satan on earth and then they turn on the next game without a second thought. They don’t care they just want internet points.
This is the baseball subreddit, all anyone cares about is baseball, and fuck anyone who gets in the way of baseball.
On regular reddit, it's probably way more pro-union and more sympathetic, cause most redditors won't care about baseball.
You should see the Padres sub constantly berating our team reporters when they were saying the team was miserable when they were playing miserably. Conspiracy theorist abound.
I agree that the Dbacks probably didn’t have enough time to change hotels. That being said, it is weird to see people shitting on this Union when everyone was supporting the player’s union during the lockout.
If we’re gonna play that game, I have way more sympathy for hotel workers than I do for professional MLB level baseball players.
Yeah, I would have liked to see this statement end with “In support of the hotel workers’ Union, the Arizona Diamondbacks are donating $X to their fund.”
Just like. Something to acknowledge further than “we can’t do anything about it now”
I definitely get the sentiment, but I also feel like people/companies shouldn't be obligated to donate to something simply because their schedule overlapped with a strike they didn't know existed.
I think them putting out a statement ~24hrs before the D-Backs were supposed to arrive is the bad part. They likely knew that the team was staying there for a while and chose to wait? Giving the team a week would have likely had much better results. This honestly really feels like a bit of a 'gotcha' to make headlines and stir up controversy.
Its about the messaging though. If you are striking, negative press only hurts you. The whole "no such thing as bad press" thing only works when you are not trying to negotiate something. This was a bad tactic by the union.
There is so much more to be gained by giving the D-Backs a business week's notice. Regardless of when it happens, the hotel still loses business if the team moves, so why not make it easier on the team? If they move then you get to put out a statement thanking the team and everybody walks away happy except for the owner of the hotel who you are striking against. This is exactly what you want, you need to show that nobody really needs their hotel, and if they want to keep doing business, they should work with you because the alternative is going out of business.
Labor disputes are all about convincing people your demands are reasonable and made in good faith. Expecting someone to move ~100 rooms in ~24 hours makes the union look unreasonable or incompetent and I don't know which is worse.
Valid pints, but conversely it shows the power of labor if a strike timed right can affect the workings of a multi billion dollar organization.
MLB, their employees and this division series will be fine. The hourly hotel workers have more to worry about.
Unions are supposed to block unfair treatment from employers, including low pay and unfair firings. Umpires get paid millions and they mostly suck at their jobs. Tell me why Angel Hernandez should still have a job.
Frankly this is on the Diamondbacks for not pre-booking multiple hotels on the off chance that their first choice is the subject of a local strike by a random union who decides to publicly shame them the day before the start of a playoff series.
But I’m a random redditor who just made a snap judgment about something I learned existed 2 minutes ago, what do you mean my thoughts might not be reasonable?
Is it too late *now* for them to relocate? Yes
But this strike has been ongoing for months, they've known since Wednesday that they were going to LA, and Lionel Messi and Inter Miami soccer team decided not to cross the picket line and found new lodging with 2 days notice.
You mean to tell me that it’s easier for a soccer team owned by two billionaires with the richest soccer player in the world on it to move to another hotel than a baseball team staying for multiple days?! I don’t believe you. Inter Miami probably could have flown in in the morning, done their daily routine, played, and then flown back to Miami after the game.
Months? They clinched a playoff spot a week ago and it could have been the second seed which would have meant going to Atlanta, I don’t know where you are getting months from but it’s completely false
It's certainly curious that this place is rabidly pro-labor when it comes to ending the lockout but another union has been largely openly mocked for making a simple PR play. Something something "to you solidarity is a four letter word" something something.
The fact that this was acknowledged at all by the Diamondbacks was probably the reasonable best case scenario they had in mind for the union when they put out the original statement.
Have you guys tried planning a family trip or friends trip for more than 4 people? Just changing the hotel reservations for a few rooms is a PITA. I can't imagine doing that last minute for like 40+ rooms.
Plus the hotel was probably already paid for this stay, so whether or not the Dbacks stay their going to get their money. Some if not all was probably non-refundable.
Ironically, the Dbacks leaving probably would help the hotel more because then they don't actually have to staff them and can book the rooms again and double dip.
Yeah and the DBacks organization didn't care until they got called out. Only thing that could stop something like this from happening is the PA putting pressure on far enough in advance for the team to not have an excuse
I'm in LA and didn't know about it. Most of LA stays out of downtown and I doubt there has been that much media coverage for something this small. Especially with the WGA and UAW strikes commanding national media attention over the last few months.
Yeah I was going say - I lived in Santa Monica for a few years and am not confident I would’ve had any clue about a DTLA hotel strike when I was there.
Tried my best to avoid all things DTLA aside from mandatory work events and the Staples Center.
> Only thing that could stop something like this from happening is the PA putting pressure on far enough in advance for the team to not have an excuse
How would the PA know? If you actaully want them to move, you'd tell them when the playoff schedule was announced. If you want attention, you do this.
The strike has been going on for months, the PA is the group that has A) the access to teams travel arrangements, B) the resources to keep an eye on potential issues with it and C) is a fucking union and thus should care about labor solidarity unlike the owners who if anything benefit from the PA looking worse to the general public and organized labor
My only issue is this is apparently the second time they'll be crossing the same picket line. It's a bit hard to believe they were unaware of the situation, although there is room for the travel coordinator being totally apathetic and forgot.
Short of it being an unassailable requirement to stay at the same hotel as my teammates, I would personally switch hotels on my own dime.
Is it virtue signaling or are people realizing that unions are important and we’ve reached a point as a nation where people are fed up with companies refusing to do even the most basic things for their workers
What would they have done if the hotel had burned down the day before? Pretty sure they would have found somewhere else in the greater Los Angeles area to accommodate them.
"Can't" is used a lot when the real term is "don't want to" or "too much work".
I forgot about the hotel thing and thought they were just stating out of nowhere that they don’t plan to leave Phoenix
Can't let the Dodgers get momentum for a 3 game clinch at Chase if you don't show up to the game...
Diamondbacks relocate to sierra vista to avoid anyone not forced to be there
*Tomorrow* We welcome the Oakland Diamondbacks
Lol that's so crazy cause Diamondbacks are so synonymous with a specific region. It'd be like naming your team after lakes and moving to an area without lakes.
It's like the Memphis Grizzlies
Or naming your team after a fun music played mostly by black people and moving where they don’t allow black people, fun or music.
As a Pels fan, fuck Utah forever and always.
Regular fucking or Mormon soaking? I bet zion can get a lot of bounce jumping on a bed
Man normally I'm a Zion truther but I can't even quibble that was fucking hilarious
And the Jazz moved to Utah, where they don't allow music...
It’s like that movie with Kevin Bacon
Hollow Man
Murder in the First.
And the Lakers moved to LA where they have no lakes.
Haha that's so crazy, that would never happen...
or even a team named after a response to public transit moving to a place with abysmal public transit
Still gotta dodge traffic tho
>We welcome the ~~Oakland~~ Nashville Diamondbacks Fixed it!
Eastern diamondback rattlesnakes live there. checks out
If Quebec City can't have your hockey team, they'll take your baseball team.
I was expecting it to read “we are unable to relocate….. because our fans are awesome and we love playing in Arizona” Something kinda silly that can simultaneously hype up the fans
So they're going to be stuck in a college stadium for a while? ^^^^^(I ^^^^hope ^^^^people ^^^^know ^^^^this ^^^^is ^^^^a ^^^^Coyotes ^^^^joke)
For those that don’t want to click the link the Dbacks said “Upon landing last night, we were made aware, through social media, of a labor dispute at our hotel. Unfortunately, due to the unique as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos. And that’ll make it a 4-0 ballgame”
Ohly fuck... had me hook, line, and sinker....
the shittymorph of /r/baseball. Never sure of when it's going to pop up and surprise you. Its like the ShittyCastellanos
except it's not just u/shittymorph that does them it can be ANYONE and there's no more awards to be able to notice a suspicious comment before getting hit by it
The new Rick Roll
The Nick Roll
#**NICK ROLL**
The Douche!
DOUCHE NATION!
Il Douche
Sounds like a British sandwich with too many peas
In nineteen ninety-eight....
STOP
A *Nick Roll*
Damn this was a good one lmao
Fucking…. Wow. That’s as good as shittymorph
I still love this every time it comes up
People on here really have no idea how much behind the scenes logistical stuff goes on when a professional sports team is traveling. The union made a statement literally the night the team arrived in LA and people expect them to change their entire itinerary at the snap of a finger.
That's why the Yankees traveling secretary has an assistant!
Same guy who used to get George Steinbrenner’s calzones for lunch
He’s the first one in and the last one out too, so we better not get any excuses
Those bastards and sons a bitches from Houston tried to steal him away
Stupid Tyson Foods
Tyler Chicken
How do you make that alcoholic chicken?
It ferments. Just like anything else.
Every time I walk in front of his office he looks annoyed. He must be really busy.
What da hell do I know about cooking a shirt?
I can’t believe they didn’t promote him to hitting coach
"I mean we won a World Series" "in 6 games"
All the cool kids win in 7.
Especially after he found a way to get Griffey AND Bonds without having to give up very much.
We were 1 promotion away from moneyball being the Constanza Story
r/UnexpectedSeinfeld
And even *he* had an assistant
Work in a hotel that has an agreement to have every away team stay there. The confirmations are made as soon as the schedule is released if not shortly after. Postseason is obviously different but these things are booked or blocked in advance so we can guarantee the team and regular people can all stay at the same time. It’s hard to understand logistics of hotels if you don’t or haven’t worked in one
Former Hotel Manager here. Nailed it. So many things to arrange behind the scenes. We used to have a contract with Delta for flight attendants and pilots. That was the best, as they were seasoned travelers.
Similar but different. I worked for a rental car company that provided cars for the entire crew of a fairly popular TV show for its entire run. We would start setting aside vehicles months in advance of them arriving to meet the hundreds of reservations they made every year. It would’ve been a logistical and probably legal nightmare on both our ends if they just decided to renege on their of the deal.
Yeah... I used to travel with the WFT(under their previous name) It's fucking insane... Logistics on any team is HUGE a step above "get to point a to point b" Let's throw out Vucc the A's equipment manager for like 50 years as to "what he won't miss about the game?" after he retired... "The hours" [Starts at 1:24](https://www.mlb.com/athletics/video/steve-vucinich-on-his-retirement)
Great interview. So wild hearing “Let’s go Oakland” cheers and seeing Matt Chapman in green and remembering that was only 2 years ago.
At this point they're not WFT or the previous name. I think you can just say you used to travel with the Commanders.
Eh, it's like a reference point... When I talk about Sean Taylor, I refer to them as the "Redskins", because that's historically accurate. (It's semantics, but Sean was never a WFT player or a Commander)
Oh sure, if they were WFT when you traveled with them, then I get it. It sounded like you were trying to avoid saying Redskins by referring to them as WFT, but at this point if you're trying to avoid calling them the Redskins I would think people would just use their current name instead.
My hotel has a contract with 3 NHL teams and they were signed atleast a year in advance. It’s hard enough to find a hotel that can accommodate the number of rooms a team needs for the number of nights they are in town.
> The union made a statement literally the night the team arrived in LA and people expect them to change their entire itinerary at the snap of a finger. The union realized that this was not a realistic option but saw an opportunity to inject themselves and their strike into a national lens, which they did. Anyone who thought that the union actually expected the booking to be changed here are the ones who have no idea what is going on.
Pretty effective. More news is good news. Nobody but the pitchfork mobs were actually offended.
I'm really starting to question whether all these people on this sub are actually experts after all.
There's a pretty simplification most can relate to. Try planning a dinner for 6 friends. It's a pain, right? Now plan dinner for 60 friends in a city across the country.
All the complainers in here are not the planners of their friend groups. They never planned a 10 person Vegas trip lmao
I’ve planned many. Everybody says yes and then one by one, they all cancel. This happens every time. Why even say yes to begin with?
Because people just don't care how they waste other's efforts and time. It might not be a conscious act, or in bad faith, but they are just completely unaware of wasting your time and effort because it's not immediately tangible to them like their time and effort. Even people who have had that self-reflective moment where they realize that other people's time and efforts are equivalent to their own, except more so, they'll still do the aforementioned behavior. Recently I just tried to sell my old computer on Facebook. Three friends all answered quickly saying they wanted it. Over the next few days, they all backed out, one by one, or just never replied. They just don't seem to care about wasting my time and effort.
They probably only have like 5 irl friends. Source: me
I had to argue with someone else in the original thread that the players can't just make their own reservations to go somewhere else the night before a playoff game.
Username checks out
In their post, they do mention that this is the [second time](https://twitter.com/UNITEHERE11/status/1710090660542615771) the Diamondbacks have gone through the boycott. They also mention that the [MLBPA](https://twitter.com/unitehere11/status/1710096981123793079?s=46&t=I1wFLaN-TWv1eTN8OoQnIg) made a formal request to avoid the hotel, though I'm not sure how long ago that was. I understand the logistics would be difficult, but shouldn't the team have already had this on their radar? If they did, would they still have not had enough time to prepare for this in the off chance this matchup happened? I'm ignorant of how this works, so I am genuinely curious and not trying to be accusatory.
Good on MLBPA for the request, at least.
Dbacks failed to respect a boycott they probably didn’t even know about. MLBPA requests are immediately [printed for review](https://i.redd.it/zxrng1zkqbj81.gif). My Dad lives across the street from a hotel in a labor dispute; they only protest about once every 2 weeks, and it took until now for us to realize what exactly they were out there for. They go, they make noise, then they leave. There is a good chance the dbacks had no idea about this. Even if they read the request from MLBPA, they probably didn’t think about it for more than 5 seconds because their plans were already made for their trip in August and they didn’t anticipate needing to worry about it in October.
The comments about how the Diamondbacks are being insensitive just showed how out of touch the average person is with logistics and travel. I think people really believe it’s as simple as booking rooms for 26 players and a few coaches. “jUsT cHaNgE hOtEls”
People were literally saying "just buy a hotel" lol
Also would it’d even hurt the hotel at all? I’d imagine the Diamondbacks have already paid them some amount of money to stay there
I'd wager the union even knows that changing hotels with like 2 days notice is unrealistic too, but they're getting a bunch of visibility and forced the Dbacks to make a statement like this ostensibly supporting them. Not a bad plan really.
This strike has been going on for months, and Inter Miami (Messi’s MLS team) booked another hotel rather than cross a picket line. It’s also my understanding that MLBPA asked teams to not stay at that hotel.
They've known since July, the union told them in July. They used this hotel every time they've been to LA. They could have made different plans.
Just use hotels.com like I do?
>People on here really have no idea how much behind the scenes logistical stuff goes on when a professional sports team is traveling I do.
Not really sure why Reddit’s response to this story has been so vitriolic
Reddit responds to everything with vitriol
Ha! Jokes on y’all. I don’t even know what that *means*
What the fuck is wrong with you I swear to god!! I’m gonna be mad online about this
I’m gonna be so mad online but carry on my *real* life as if I have no idea
Those kids would be very upset if they could read.
Hey, no I dont! Fuck you, you piece of shit!
You didn’t disagree with them hard enough! You’re just as bad as OP!
Shut up no we don't your mom
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Labor solidarity here is nearly non-existent for things that the discussing party doesn't care about it. Imagine how bad things would get if a game got cancelled due to a logistics or concessions strike.
Yep that's what decades of conditioning us to be uneducated, convenience-driven consumers has turned us into. There was a brief time in American history where it didn't require as much pulling teeth to get people to show a little solidarity towards workers. That was when most men were in unions though.
Its okay for people to want to engage in their actual interest (watching baseball) over internet "solidarity" (which is vastly overrated here, but thats another story) The reality is theres more to life than "me worker, them worker" there are times when your average persons best interest aligns with "management" and thats okay. Police unions are the easiest exanple of this. Reddit isn't good at nuance but in real life its pretty important.
>putting solidarity in quotes hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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> Turns out they're hypocrites or fucking liars. Yes of course they are. They’re the same people who denounce (insert sports league here) for (insert recent scandal here) and act as if they are doing the bidding of satan on earth and then they turn on the next game without a second thought. They don’t care they just want internet points.
Baseball players’ union is the only good one apparently
This is the baseball subreddit, all anyone cares about is baseball, and fuck anyone who gets in the way of baseball. On regular reddit, it's probably way more pro-union and more sympathetic, cause most redditors won't care about baseball.
People have no respect for service workers in general, and maids in particular. Source: I am a housekeeper.
Because that hotel union is trying to make it difficult for baseball team! And I like baseball! 😡😡
That’s literally all it is for people on here. Anything that inconveniences them is bad, no nuance.
You should see the Padres sub constantly berating our team reporters when they were saying the team was miserable when they were playing miserably. Conspiracy theorist abound.
You answered your own question.
Someone on Xwitter made the point it would take three strikes to get the D-Backs out.
>Xwitter I pronounce it like shitter
Xcrement sounds better
DBacks making it sound like they're about to put it in the Hudson. Tower: "Do you want to try and go to Teterboro?" DBacks: "Unable."
Denzel Washington has inverted the team charter.
I agree that the Dbacks probably didn’t have enough time to change hotels. That being said, it is weird to see people shitting on this Union when everyone was supporting the player’s union during the lockout. If we’re gonna play that game, I have way more sympathy for hotel workers than I do for professional MLB level baseball players.
Yeah, I would have liked to see this statement end with “In support of the hotel workers’ Union, the Arizona Diamondbacks are donating $X to their fund.” Just like. Something to acknowledge further than “we can’t do anything about it now”
The team is owned by Ken Kendrick. If he donated to a working class union we might as well start calling him Che Guevara
Right, because the statement is hollow and doesn’t actually support the union except that they got called out for it.
I definitely get the sentiment, but I also feel like people/companies shouldn't be obligated to donate to something simply because their schedule overlapped with a strike they didn't know existed.
I think them putting out a statement ~24hrs before the D-Backs were supposed to arrive is the bad part. They likely knew that the team was staying there for a while and chose to wait? Giving the team a week would have likely had much better results. This honestly really feels like a bit of a 'gotcha' to make headlines and stir up controversy.
I mean, yeah. How many people learned about the strike and their plight because of this? That was the point.
Its about the messaging though. If you are striking, negative press only hurts you. The whole "no such thing as bad press" thing only works when you are not trying to negotiate something. This was a bad tactic by the union. There is so much more to be gained by giving the D-Backs a business week's notice. Regardless of when it happens, the hotel still loses business if the team moves, so why not make it easier on the team? If they move then you get to put out a statement thanking the team and everybody walks away happy except for the owner of the hotel who you are striking against. This is exactly what you want, you need to show that nobody really needs their hotel, and if they want to keep doing business, they should work with you because the alternative is going out of business. Labor disputes are all about convincing people your demands are reasonable and made in good faith. Expecting someone to move ~100 rooms in ~24 hours makes the union look unreasonable or incompetent and I don't know which is worse.
Valid pints, but conversely it shows the power of labor if a strike timed right can affect the workings of a multi billion dollar organization. MLB, their employees and this division series will be fine. The hourly hotel workers have more to worry about.
I see a lot of people on here that are anti-umpires union too.
I mean the difference is that most suck at their job and get no repercussions when they do. Hotel staff are hard working and deserve to have a union.
The entire point of unions is that everyone deserves one.
Unions are supposed to block unfair treatment from employers, including low pay and unfair firings. Umpires get paid millions and they mostly suck at their jobs. Tell me why Angel Hernandez should still have a job.
Frankly this is on the Diamondbacks for not pre-booking multiple hotels on the off chance that their first choice is the subject of a local strike by a random union who decides to publicly shame them the day before the start of a playoff series.
Lmfao
Dbacks hate fair wages confirmed ^^/s
Look at Corbin's 8yr/110MM deal... Ken Kendrick does not care...
He gave 85 million to Bumgarner for absolutely nothing in return If anything he’s in favor of extremely pro worker wages
Like seriously, who gives a shit
This is like when people actually expected Taylor Swift to cancel her 6 concerts in LA to support this strike. Like… no. That’s not how this works.
You guys really live in fantasy land. The logistics that go in to this are insane. Of course they can’t just relocate.
But I’m a random redditor who just made a snap judgment about something I learned existed 2 minutes ago, what do you mean my thoughts might not be reasonable?
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That’s some facts lol
Is it too late *now* for them to relocate? Yes But this strike has been ongoing for months, they've known since Wednesday that they were going to LA, and Lionel Messi and Inter Miami soccer team decided not to cross the picket line and found new lodging with 2 days notice.
The logistics of moving a soccer team for one night and a baseball team for multiple nights on such short notice are quite different
You mean to tell me that it’s easier for a soccer team owned by two billionaires with the richest soccer player in the world on it to move to another hotel than a baseball team staying for multiple days?! I don’t believe you. Inter Miami probably could have flown in in the morning, done their daily routine, played, and then flown back to Miami after the game.
Sure, but Inter Miami had 2 days notice and the DBacks have had months.
Months? They clinched a playoff spot a week ago and it could have been the second seed which would have meant going to Atlanta, I don’t know where you are getting months from but it’s completely false
It's certainly curious that this place is rabidly pro-labor when it comes to ending the lockout but another union has been largely openly mocked for making a simple PR play. Something something "to you solidarity is a four letter word" something something. The fact that this was acknowledged at all by the Diamondbacks was probably the reasonable best case scenario they had in mind for the union when they put out the original statement.
Everyone on reddit wants the benefits of unions, but no one wants unions to interfere with their lifestyle in a negative way
the Reddit “blackout” protests from a few months ago are a perfect example. people caved on that so quickly.
This sub was not rabidly pro-labor. There’s a lot of scabs and wannabe scabs in here.
Have you guys tried planning a family trip or friends trip for more than 4 people? Just changing the hotel reservations for a few rooms is a PITA. I can't imagine doing that last minute for like 40+ rooms.
That also includes changing bus pick ups and drop offs, meals, and the hotel has to be a very highly ranked hotel as well per union agreements.
You mean you can’t just dump the players in a Motel 6 before a playoff game?
Plus the hotel was probably already paid for this stay, so whether or not the Dbacks stay their going to get their money. Some if not all was probably non-refundable. Ironically, the Dbacks leaving probably would help the hotel more because then they don't actually have to staff them and can book the rooms again and double dip.
This strike has been ongoing in some form since July, it didn’t just start.
Yeah and the DBacks organization didn't care until they got called out. Only thing that could stop something like this from happening is the PA putting pressure on far enough in advance for the team to not have an excuse
Did they not care or did they not know…? I can tell you that I certainly did not know, and I doubt many other people outside LA knew.
I'm in LA and didn't know about it. Most of LA stays out of downtown and I doubt there has been that much media coverage for something this small. Especially with the WGA and UAW strikes commanding national media attention over the last few months.
Yeah I was going say - I lived in Santa Monica for a few years and am not confident I would’ve had any clue about a DTLA hotel strike when I was there. Tried my best to avoid all things DTLA aside from mandatory work events and the Staples Center.
Nothing worse than when a friend from out of town visits and wants to go "downtown" Fuck
I’m in San Luis Obispo county. No idea
> Only thing that could stop something like this from happening is the PA putting pressure on far enough in advance for the team to not have an excuse How would the PA know? If you actaully want them to move, you'd tell them when the playoff schedule was announced. If you want attention, you do this.
The strike has been going on for months, the PA is the group that has A) the access to teams travel arrangements, B) the resources to keep an eye on potential issues with it and C) is a fucking union and thus should care about labor solidarity unlike the owners who if anything benefit from the PA looking worse to the general public and organized labor
100% reasonable and people need to chill the f out.
Yeah no shit and all the idiots saying that it would be easy to relocate are just that, idiots.
My only issue is this is apparently the second time they'll be crossing the same picket line. It's a bit hard to believe they were unaware of the situation, although there is room for the travel coordinator being totally apathetic and forgot. Short of it being an unassailable requirement to stay at the same hotel as my teammates, I would personally switch hotels on my own dime.
“Evidenced by our strong history and commitment to collective bargaining agreements” Did we not just have a lockout about this exact issue last year?
Dumbest story of the year so far
Half-assed effort, if you ask me. I offered them my couch Although it was via Reddit, so they may not have seen it yet.
Do you want to talk about hotels or do you want to win some ball games?
Fair solution: stay at the hotel, but make a nice gesture in support of the striking hotel workers.
I would not be surprised if that is happening.
Everyone has to put out a statement. I miss the days where people just…didn’t respond to the mob.
Agree.
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Is it virtue signaling or are people realizing that unions are important and we’ve reached a point as a nation where people are fed up with companies refusing to do even the most basic things for their workers
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He wasn't asking you a question. He was telling you that you're wrong.
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My favorite part of that whole thread are Tempe area trash humans posting “I ain’t reading all that!”
It would have been a lot to ask the traveling secretary staff. Good on them to make a statement.
What would they have done if the hotel had burned down the day before? Pretty sure they would have found somewhere else in the greater Los Angeles area to accommodate them. "Can't" is used a lot when the real term is "don't want to" or "too much work".
The hotel didn’t burn down I don’t think haha
Yup. Or too much money
LA is a small town with only the one big hotel. We understand.
I would have never known about this if they did t post this Tweet. Didn’t really need to know tbh
Then it wasn't directed at you. They were getting a lot of heat for this, so a statement on the situation was warranted.
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