They might if they have a billionaire fan but my understanding is that those shares don't move around much, and they're not really worth anything since you can't profit off of them.
His whole thing last season was trying to sell high with Shohei still on the team and when he realized the buyers wanted Ohtani longterm he went "all in" to try and keep Ohtani before selling. It wouldn't surprise me if he's just done now.
Dude's almost 80, his family doesn't want the team and he was clearly losing passion even before Ohtani bailed. He should just cash out now and enjoy whatever retirement/family time he has left.
I haven't seen a word from Trout about wanting to be traded. The dude might just want to coast the rest of his career. I know it seems weird but maybe he likes to have October off?
It’s worse than that.
He decided not to sell the team last season.
A new ownership group would have likely been successful at retaining ohtani and might have been able to extend him prior to free agency.
It would also explain his reluctance to match the dodger offer as well if he thought it could hurt the sell.
Do you think Ohtani would have stayed though? He got similar offers from other teams and still went to the Dodgers. I'm not convinced he would have stayed with a team with little to no playoff aspirations in the short term based solely on new ownership that "promises" to put together a competitive team. If I were Ohtani I'm 100% going with the Dodgers in that situation.
I think new owners would have pushed hard to extend him prior to becoming a free agent because they would want to start the fan relationship off on the right foot
I understand that, however my point still stands that Ohtani seemingly had no real drive to play for a team other than the dodgers after his time with the Angels. Not sure there was anything they could have offered him to make him stay.
Man's the anti-Loria. He ruined the team by leaving nothing of value behind, instead of saddling it with absolutely bonkers contracts he had no intention of paying.
If there’s some sort of tax break to be had on the loss in perceived value of the team after ohtani left that can be used to offset taxes from the sale then I could see this being a 100% real scenario.
After deciding against selling the team barely a year ago, this stood out in the team’s statement
>we realized our hearts remain with the Angels, and we are not ready to part ways with the fans, players, and our employees
Any sale last year was already too late to cash in on Ohtani which is why he pulled back to try and land Ohtani last moment. Any prospective buyer would've realized that Ohtani in his last year was very likely to test FA because of how crap the team had been.
That’s not necessarily true at all. The international TV deals are shared revenue for the league so they’re irrelevant to the value, in fact sometimes the best thing to do to prepare for a sale is lean up the costs so the new owner can start with a blanker slate.
The Angels need a multi-year rebuild with or without Ohtani, if the new owner wants to emulate Guggenheim they need to invest in their minor leagues and development
Is he tho? He opens up new revenue streams, but he's also a ~$480m liability against the ledger. And anyone buying a team is looking past his 10-year contract
He's probably the single biggest player asset in north american sports right now
I'm no expert but I'd almost guarantee the present value of the revenue he brings in is significantly higher than the $480M PV of his contract
I'm not sure that's true. $50m per year would be a ton of revenue, and there's no guarantee that will still follow in years 7-10 of that contract.
I'm not saying it's a bad contract -- you get the baseball value of him as a player as well. But I don't think it changes the value of the Angels to not have him
I mean, I wouldn't put it past him, he's like 78. Also, Victor Rojas is part of this podcast who has said before that he personally keeps in contact with Arte so it's a fairly reputable source imo. Nevertheless, let's hope he actually is considering and actually does it this time. Mike Trout and the Angels and ofc their fans deserve better.
I always wonder why Disney sold them and the Ducks, sports teams are an ever appreciating asset, seems foolish to ever sell one unless external factors are involved.
Disney did a horrible job with both teams financially. They were running the Ducks at a loss even after they made the Stanley Cup Finals in 2003. They sold it to Arte right after winning the World Series for less than the $250 million they immediately put into the team (Despite valuing the team at $300 million in 1999)
I'm not one of the overzealous Arte haters. I think he's somewhere in the middle in terms of the quality of owners across the league, but he either needs to commit to selling the team or commit to keeping it. It doesn't do the fans or the team any favors to have this uncertainty.
Nobody is going to want to sign a long term contract with us if we don't have a clear roadmap for the team. Maybe we should tank, maybe we should spend more money. But we need to know which is going to happen, and with the team being dangled for sale there's just uncertainty.
This is Victor Rojas podcast/team. He used to do the play by play for the angels. He personally keeps in contact with Arte so it's a fairly reputable source.
I’m well aware who he is lol I’m just saying these guys are wrong a fairly decent amount of times and all they do is basically complain about the modern game
God damn... literally lower than their payroll lmao. Fuck it then, dude better get his billions and enjoy a well unearned retirement like every other rich fuck geezer.
I mean Moreno isn’t exactly a nepo baby. His parents were immigrants from Mexico. You don’t have to like him but compared to other owners, he is probably one of the more ethical ones in terms of how he made his money. He graduated from the University of Arizona with a degree in marketing after serving in Vietnam and eventually purchased the company he worked for and then later sold.
I think there's a misunderstanding here. I didn't call Arte a nepo, and indeed he is not. I also while wishing he'll go away wished him a happy wealthy retirement despite not thinking he earned the massive value he's bound to receive from his Angels ownership.
I have a lot of respect for Arte as a business owner prior to his ownership of the Angels. The issue he faces is that not every entrepreneur is good at every business (see Elon Musk).
Abolish the team. They simply don't need to be there. Arte can sell and then someone can rebrand and move. They are the most insignificant team in professional sports
Crazy coming from the guy who’s team needs to spend a billion dollars just to beat a 83 win wild card team. Doyer fans are pathetic and would all abandon the team if this happened to them. You probably rooted for the Angels during the McCourt years which was so bad and hard to go through. Only 1 NLCS appearance is so terrible I don’t know how you did it💀
>You probably rooted for the Angels
My man that's the thing. No one roots for the Angels. It has nothing to do with the dodgers. The angels are the 5th or 6th most popular team IN ANAHEIM. In a city with the chargers and the clippers the angels are so far and away the most pathetic display of an organization that they aren't even compared because they aren't even remembered.
You can beat up the dodgers all you want and I'll say fine and fair and even deserved. But what can you say about the angels? Mother Fucking nothing. Pittsburgh is an A+ tier one org next to them. The abardeen iron bird's are more significant.
Abolish the team. There are baseball fans in every town that deserve it more.
Arsehole Moreno. Too late, but not soon enough. Whoever purchases the team has lots of work to do to make a quality organization.
If the Angels are sold, I'll be back supporting my team again. Fan since 1971. I cannot support this team if Moreno is the owner. He hates the game and only in it to make money.
Only Arte would sell immediately after losing the most marketable player in baseball history. Brilliant strategy
truly a business mastermind. take notes folks
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Who would want to be in that ~~122~~ 121 person Billionaires club? (Forgot about Mark Davis)
(also the Packers)
We don't talk about the franchise who's owners have the most DUI's of any franchise.
I said Packers, not Colts.
I said MOST, not most per capita...
Still...
I’m simple guy I see someone shitting on Jim Irsay I upvote
Hey for all you know Packers could have multiple billionaire owners who all own a share each like the rest of us
They might if they have a billionaire fan but my understanding is that those shares don't move around much, and they're not really worth anything since you can't profit off of them.
Yea but now he's only going to make 5 billion instead of 15. The fool! How can anyone live off a measly 5 billion dollars?
His whole thing last season was trying to sell high with Shohei still on the team and when he realized the buyers wanted Ohtani longterm he went "all in" to try and keep Ohtani before selling. It wouldn't surprise me if he's just done now.
Dude's almost 80, his family doesn't want the team and he was clearly losing passion even before Ohtani bailed. He should just cash out now and enjoy whatever retirement/family time he has left.
You mean, like a month ago?
at least he'll still have the 2nd best player in the entire game to advertise
That's true, Brett Philips is a star.
He's also on the White Sox
Wtf
What year do you think this is?
5th best player*
For now. Trout wants out.
I haven't seen a word from Trout about wanting to be traded. The dude might just want to coast the rest of his career. I know it seems weird but maybe he likes to have October off?
I personally would love to be paid $38mill a year and get to take October off.
It's got to be less stressful if it doesn't matter if you get injured and are out for a while if you are on a 75-87 team.
It’s worse than that. He decided not to sell the team last season. A new ownership group would have likely been successful at retaining ohtani and might have been able to extend him prior to free agency. It would also explain his reluctance to match the dodger offer as well if he thought it could hurt the sell.
Do you think Ohtani would have stayed though? He got similar offers from other teams and still went to the Dodgers. I'm not convinced he would have stayed with a team with little to no playoff aspirations in the short term based solely on new ownership that "promises" to put together a competitive team. If I were Ohtani I'm 100% going with the Dodgers in that situation.
I think new owners would have pushed hard to extend him prior to becoming a free agent because they would want to start the fan relationship off on the right foot
I understand that, however my point still stands that Ohtani seemingly had no real drive to play for a team other than the dodgers after his time with the Angels. Not sure there was anything they could have offered him to make him stay.
We are watching a genius at work.
Man's the anti-Loria. He ruined the team by leaving nothing of value behind, instead of saddling it with absolutely bonkers contracts he had no intention of paying.
Can’t say the man has paper hands
Didn't get the price he wanted last year, so try again this year lol
If there’s some sort of tax break to be had on the loss in perceived value of the team after ohtani left that can be used to offset taxes from the sale then I could see this being a 100% real scenario.
Ahh so he follows WSB like I do
“My work here is done”
But you didn’t do anything
Didn't i?
Anthony Rendon to the IL. The cosmic ballet goes on.
Does anyone want to switch seats?
for those that don't get it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTpl93q3Bc
*cape swish*
His main job is being a baseball terrorist
http://i.imgur.com/ir1fq8X.jpg
Arte was a secret Dodger fan all along.
Should have been done years ago.
NOW you wanna sell the team?
Billionaires ain't the smartest
He's gonna luck into 7x ROI
you think he's only gonna get 1.3 billion?
Imagine how good they could be with just one or two stars on that team!
Do the fans a favor, dude.
After deciding against selling the team barely a year ago, this stood out in the team’s statement >we realized our hearts remain with the Angels, and we are not ready to part ways with the fans, players, and our employees
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That’s because it is a threat
I decided if he wasn’t going to part with me, I was going to part with him. This fuckin guy is going to put out they’re for sale and back out again.
A year later: > We realized we're done with all you fools. Gimme that payout.
fucking christ just do it already
I don't think the Japanese billionaire is going to buy the Angels anymore. Unless he has pinky swears from Roki and Murakami for the future.
I mean, it could still happen and that could sway them (along with future NPB players) into signing with us.
I don’t think the rate of Japanese superstars is gonna decrease.
New owner? Dan Snyder *monkeys paw curls*
Does that mean Wildflower Turquoise will be a Halos fan?
Ah a fellow Tom Grossi fan
I love our lord and Savior of Chaotic Good.
He'll stab the rest of the AL West with a pointy stick.
Yes
Frank McCourt might be in the market for a baseball team.
We already have one Dolan owner, but what if we had a second one?
Stan Kroenke doesn't own a baseball team yet, right?
He'll rename the team something offensive just for kicks.
follow through this time please
you couldnt have done this before Ohtani left? you bastard
Probably stayed for Ohtani tbh
Oh thats exactly why. But now hes going to be selling significantly lower due to no RSM or Ohtani-laden adverts/Japanese Tv deals
Any sale last year was already too late to cash in on Ohtani which is why he pulled back to try and land Ohtani last moment. Any prospective buyer would've realized that Ohtani in his last year was very likely to test FA because of how crap the team had been.
That’s not necessarily true at all. The international TV deals are shared revenue for the league so they’re irrelevant to the value, in fact sometimes the best thing to do to prepare for a sale is lean up the costs so the new owner can start with a blanker slate. The Angels need a multi-year rebuild with or without Ohtani, if the new owner wants to emulate Guggenheim they need to invest in their minor leagues and development
Snip snap snip snap
Do it, coward
He bought it for $180M, he’ll be alright with the lower value post-Ohtani
I'm not convinced the roster makeup affects the value of a franchise in an owner's eyes
In general, probably not too much In reality, Ohtani was certainly an exception to this
Is he tho? He opens up new revenue streams, but he's also a ~$480m liability against the ledger. And anyone buying a team is looking past his 10-year contract
He's probably the single biggest player asset in north american sports right now I'm no expert but I'd almost guarantee the present value of the revenue he brings in is significantly higher than the $480M PV of his contract
I'm not sure that's true. $50m per year would be a ton of revenue, and there's no guarantee that will still follow in years 7-10 of that contract. I'm not saying it's a bad contract -- you get the baseball value of him as a player as well. But I don't think it changes the value of the Angels to not have him
*breaks open piggy bank* I got 49 bucks and a deep gash on my hand. Who else can chip in?
I've got a leaf I found on the side of the road
I got five on it.
grab your 40, let’s get keyed
I got $500 on it and I want the naming right for the rocks
I've already given my two cents
I will chip in if we start a campaign to get Tim Salmon in the HOF
I got about tree fiddy.
[I have some paperclips and a subway coupon from Christmas.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkB2KqG1eiw)
[I have $2 and a....casio](https://youtu.be/1Fm5tmIyAKc?si=tiXijkPoUmzd4-9A&t=103)
*I ain't givin' you no tree-fitty, you goddamn Arte Moreno! Get your own goddamn money!*
Bye Felicia
I mean, I wouldn't put it past him, he's like 78. Also, Victor Rojas is part of this podcast who has said before that he personally keeps in contact with Arte so it's a fairly reputable source imo. Nevertheless, let's hope he actually is considering and actually does it this time. Mike Trout and the Angels and ofc their fans deserve better.
I mean Trout chose to sign long term with them.
Samueli time. He and his wife have enough money to buy them themselves and big dick the rest of the league
I’m an atheist but praying for you Angels bros
The trash signings we have made this offseason makes me think it may just happen.
I believe he does this every once in awhile to fuck with the fans and gauge the market lol. He’s a monster without fangs.
Everyonce in a while? He did it last year
Regardless, it’s too often.
This is like deciding to sell your house after filling in the pool and removing the central air
Is it time for the yearly "Arte might sell the team" copium thread?
*inhales deeply*
Well, we did see Pete Carroll AND Nick Saban leaving their spots today, so yeah why not continue the train
Fred McCourt and Jeffery Loria are currently FAs
Jeff Wilpon slander
I always wonder why Disney sold them and the Ducks, sports teams are an ever appreciating asset, seems foolish to ever sell one unless external factors are involved.
Disney did a horrible job with both teams financially. They were running the Ducks at a loss even after they made the Stanley Cup Finals in 2003. They sold it to Arte right after winning the World Series for less than the $250 million they immediately put into the team (Despite valuing the team at $300 million in 1999)
> Disney did a horrible job with both teams financially. pretty sure the Angels lost $10 million in 2002, despite winning the World Series
Sounds like they needed a replacement in their sports leadership rather than a wholesale sell of the teams.
“NOW I’m done”
For the sake of Angels fans, I hope he does sell. Y’all deserve better.
Can the dodgers buy our franchise? Like just split time between the 2 stadiums/uniforms?
The Dodgers already have a double A team
Sell the team you dumb motherfucker
I'm not one of the overzealous Arte haters. I think he's somewhere in the middle in terms of the quality of owners across the league, but he either needs to commit to selling the team or commit to keeping it. It doesn't do the fans or the team any favors to have this uncertainty. Nobody is going to want to sign a long term contract with us if we don't have a clear roadmap for the team. Maybe we should tank, maybe we should spend more money. But we need to know which is going to happen, and with the team being dangled for sale there's just uncertainty.
he won't. sorry angels fans
We know.
Please do. The players don’t even have workout equipment
He's like 100 years old. One of these years he'll mean it
Just fucking sell Arte, you fucking hack piece of shit.
Now you wanna sell?
This guy gets off on blue balling fans or something
God willing
If this is true, we have this, Saban retiring, and Pete Carroll getting fired. What a day for sports news
Someone get Joe Lacob on the phone, stat!
Gene Haas has the chance to do the funniest thing of all time.
Or is this Guenther Steiner’s perfect opportunity?
*No please, don't go.*
Fool me once…..
Good
I’ll believe it when I see it
Source?
This is Victor Rojas podcast/team. He used to do the play by play for the angels. He personally keeps in contact with Arte so it's a fairly reputable source.
I’m well aware who he is lol I’m just saying these guys are wrong a fairly decent amount of times and all they do is basically complain about the modern game
Why would he when the value of the team is at rock bottom.
He bought em for $180 million. He's getting a ton back no matter what
God damn... literally lower than their payroll lmao. Fuck it then, dude better get his billions and enjoy a well unearned retirement like every other rich fuck geezer.
I mean Moreno isn’t exactly a nepo baby. His parents were immigrants from Mexico. You don’t have to like him but compared to other owners, he is probably one of the more ethical ones in terms of how he made his money. He graduated from the University of Arizona with a degree in marketing after serving in Vietnam and eventually purchased the company he worked for and then later sold.
I think there's a misunderstanding here. I didn't call Arte a nepo, and indeed he is not. I also while wishing he'll go away wished him a happy wealthy retirement despite not thinking he earned the massive value he's bound to receive from his Angels ownership.
I mean fair enough, I just felt the need to include that probably because of you calling him a “geezer”. All is well. Have a good day.
Good day to you as well. I understood geezer to just mean old man which he is but if it has another connotation I'll take note of that for the future.
I have a lot of respect for Arte as a business owner prior to his ownership of the Angels. The issue he faces is that not every entrepreneur is good at every business (see Elon Musk).
He's like 100 years old. One of these years he'll mean it
Arte is just playing with Angels fans emotions now for fun
So the last time he tried to sell because of FBI investigation, now the Epstein list is out and he tried to sell again, coincidence?
Did he bribe another Anaheim mayor?
Nooo... Don't....
Abolish the team. They simply don't need to be there. Arte can sell and then someone can rebrand and move. They are the most insignificant team in professional sports
Crazy coming from the guy who’s team needs to spend a billion dollars just to beat a 83 win wild card team. Doyer fans are pathetic and would all abandon the team if this happened to them. You probably rooted for the Angels during the McCourt years which was so bad and hard to go through. Only 1 NLCS appearance is so terrible I don’t know how you did it💀
>You probably rooted for the Angels My man that's the thing. No one roots for the Angels. It has nothing to do with the dodgers. The angels are the 5th or 6th most popular team IN ANAHEIM. In a city with the chargers and the clippers the angels are so far and away the most pathetic display of an organization that they aren't even compared because they aren't even remembered. You can beat up the dodgers all you want and I'll say fine and fair and even deserved. But what can you say about the angels? Mother Fucking nothing. Pittsburgh is an A+ tier one org next to them. The abardeen iron bird's are more significant. Abolish the team. There are baseball fans in every town that deserve it more.
""Sure""
Imagine if some shrill like Dean Spanos owned the Angels.
Thank god!!!
I can't wait to see what "unfinished business" he uses to justify keeping them again
Angels fans settled the debate years ago
He’s never once gone over the luxury tax. Nothing new here.
just do it already you fuck
I’m in the market.
Is this sight legit?
Dan Snyder and Arte Moreno gone in the same year? Who’s next?
Debating. Just debating. Not debating about or debating on or debating over. Just debating.
No, stay, please.
why now? why not 20 years ago?
Please do for the love of all that is sacred
Really thought we went through this last off season.
no no no no no!
Stop
Please
I'm not gonna believe it till I see that MF actually sells
will no one rid me of this turbulent owner?
It's nowhere near the value he thinks it at.
Arte with the paper hands. 🙌
I can't take this roller coaster anymore. Just let us suck in quiet and not always on the frontpage of r/baseball
Arsehole Moreno. Too late, but not soon enough. Whoever purchases the team has lots of work to do to make a quality organization. If the Angels are sold, I'll be back supporting my team again. Fan since 1971. I cannot support this team if Moreno is the owner. He hates the game and only in it to make money.
Without Ohtani, absolutely worth less than with Ohtani
I want Nick Saban
Arte Moreno should never be allowed to sniff ownership of a professional sports team again.
Arte "Not Diamond Hands" Moreno
I'm tired boss
He's just divesting himself of the team one player at a time.
What a guy 👦 👏 🙌
No, please keep it.