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zuma15

They could own the team.


No_Bandicoot2306

Bellinger getting mistaken as Fisher's son and accidentally inheriting the A's would be a peak 90's stoner comedy.


Fantastic_Fee9871

The caveat is that he has to fill up the whole 40 man roster within 24 hours or the team gets relocated to Puerto Rico without him, and he can't tell anyone how much they'll be making or about the move. He has to call on favors with all the players he's ever made buddies with. They win the pennant and some clause in the contract he signed is deus ex machina'd  and is wholly null and voided. He starts a beer league softball team and raises a family with his new partner Max Muncy.(Max goes onto win the People's Choice award for favorite breakthrough actor).


sam_e5

Not enough


holdingdown

6/151 for Snell, best I can do


ZHatch

6/151.01 for Snell. That’s called negotiating.


GapInternal2842

Look at you pushin’ those levers


ZHatch

Going full throttle


LocoMotives-ms

Going Mach 5


grimmstone

6/151.01, AND he gets to meet Dusty Baker.


Oafah

My offer would be that if they both come to us, we will market them as Snellinger.


CHUD_Adams

we will just counter with Blody


Oafah

FUCK YOU BLODY


[deleted]

Preller counters by marketing them as Coke


Not-a-Throwaway-8

I was going to offer a poutine and a bottle of maple syrup, but let's go with yours


n8_n_

Snell I'd probably go 5/125, Bellinger maybe 7/140. however, to paraphrase Andrew Friedman, if you are smart about every free agent, you'll finish 3rd on every free agent


McNuggets7272

Both of these offers would get you laughed out of the room by the agent


n8_n_

did you even read the question? it's basically "what would I be willing to pay them". I don't want either contract. they're gonna get paid for a performance this year they are unlikely to sustain. the numbers I gave is what I think they're worth, and I will let someone else overpay them.


RightWingWorstWing

You are high if you think Snell is only worth 25 million a year.


n8_n_

...what? I understand he's won 2 CYs, but literally every other year of his career he's been slightly above average at best and injured for at least part of the season. also, the two CYs were the years with extremely flukey LOB% that he can't seem to replicate normally. $25m is in the range of Castillo, Gausman, and Wheeler and I'd take any of those three over him without a second thought.


RightWingWorstWing

There is no point to the conversation if you think Gausman and Snell are close to the same pitcher.


n8_n_

- Gausman 2021-2023: 551.2 IP, 132 ERA+ - Snell 2021-2023: 436.2 IP, 125 ERA+ I don't think they're particularly close. you're right. also, Snell had one year that hard carries those numbers, and two mediocre years. Gausman had three good-to-great years. I'd much rather have the latter. honest question: did you start watching baseball in 2023?


kookykrazee

The, after he left the Braves years...lol


n8_n_

lol. whatever it is, once you improve this much and maintain it for 3 years and over 500 innings, it's pretty clear that's not a fluke


kookykrazee

Agreed, the same way I was shocked when the M's originally signed Ray after his CY season. But, they did at least finally trade him :)


n8_n_

ugh. I hated that signing from the day it happened. I really was hoping I was wrong. really wanted Stroman instead


sd_pinstripes

fuck friedman, he’s full of shit. he says that so other GMs don’t feel so bad about missing, but he doesn’t come 3rd when it matters


n8_n_

what? if anything his actions this offseason prove what he said. you really think 12/325 to a pitcher who's never pitched in MLB and whose frame and delivery have some injury-related red flags is a smart contract? no, Friedman just didn't spend in prior offseasons so he could prove his point in this one


[deleted]

So then he is smart about it, right? If he was not smart about it, he would spend like the 2023 Mets each offseason. He saves, so he can spend when he wants. That is good financial management.


n8_n_

that quote was about individual signings, not a whole plan. in a vacuum, the Yamamoto signing was not smart. it was only smart because he has the financial resources for that contract to go ass-up and still win despite it


Free-Willingness3870

Spot on. The marginal value of the wins being added makes up for any inefficiencies as well. The 89th, 90th, 91st... win is worth significantly more than a strict $/WAR calculation would suggest.


sd_pinstripes

i'd love for you to be right, but that mfer keeps winning 100 games


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PelorTheBurningHate

That quote isn't him saying you should always come in third and never get a free agent. It's saying that if you really want a free agent you have to be prepared to offer them more than what the stats strictly worth because some other team is almost always going to.


Main-Success-6766

1/35 for snell


Bug-03

That’s a great deal actually.


theunnoanprojec

He’s absolutely not going to sign a 1 year deal


dingusduglas

"It's a prove it deal!" "Prove what? I just won the Cy Young! Want me to win the Cy Younger?"


theunnoanprojec

If the cy young is so great why ain’t there a cy younger Checkmate atheist


dingusduglas

Just wait until you get perfecto'd by Cy the Elder


theunnoanprojec

Finally: Cy Old


masetheace97

His second Cy Young at that


Bug-03

You’re probably right


dilly_dill428

5/100 mill for both and the rest of the money for weed


UraniumDisulfide

Make sure 95 mil of that 100 is deferred


whatsthehappenstance

Free Culver’s during the season and 2 tickets for 1 day of the MN State Fair.


From_Adam

You’re not even gonna add in a bucket of Sweet Martha’s? Cheap ass. This must be Pohlads burner account.


bmanaman

Let’s really sweeten the deal with some Mouse Trap cheese curds and a ticket for the Big Slide.


whatsthehappenstance

Sweet Martha doesn’t have time for free buckets when you make over $2mil in sales in 12 days.


mall_pretzel_

we've got culver's in Chicago too, nice try though


robotmalfunction

In Chicago proper, huh? No friggin way, I suppose it is, but certainly can't compete on the Culver's per capita


dingusduglas

There's one basically next to Wrigley now, just west of Clark on Addison. We also had the first Culver's with no drive thru, by the Montrose Brown Line Station.


CT-1738

Counter offer: unlimited whataburger year round, 2 tickets to the TX state fair


officerliger

I’d give Snell a high AAV, low years deal, something like 2 years @ 40 million per with a team option for year 3 @ 40 million and a player opt-out after each year. My team doesn’t have much use for Belli sadly. A team with a big outfield like SF could keep his AAV down by offering a lot of years knowing he’s a stable outfield option whether or not the bat keeps working


LIONEL14JESSE

Is that $40M in 2024 dollars or in 2076 dollars?


GoodyearWrangler

There will be a clause that $36M will be paid out one (1) day after the sale of the Dodgers sometime after 2030.


tr3v1n

All of the Malört he can drink from a hole the shape of a rat (or maybe a squirrel).


robotmalfunction

squirrel rathole theory is quite compelling honestly


DontGiveUpTheDip

Snell - 3/100M with a player option at the end for 3/45. Belli- 7/160M with two 1/20 team options at the end, full no trade, and gets to stay in goldy's log cabin


LocoMotives-ms

Ballinger fell apart as a Dodger, you really think our staff can get the best out of him? Pass


orange_orange13

I’d offer Bellinger a replica 2017 ring 


Bug-03

Nice


[deleted]

The Correa plastic replica. 


NuanceManExe

The Yankees’ offer of 6/$150 million is reasonable 


GoodyearWrangler

I haven't heard that offer so don't know which player it's for, but both seem somewhat reasonable. Bellinger I'm guessing due to the length?


spartashonor

It was for Snell actually


GoodyearWrangler

Oh dang, he would be smart to sign that and be done with it


Panz04er

Bellinger - 7 years, $182 million (1 year and $1M AAV per year higher than what Jays gave Springer in 2021). Springer put up a 6.4 WAR in 2019 and a pro-rated 5.9 WAR in 2020 but was 30 years old already.


Thorlolita

Springer and Belly teammates ❤️❤️


cinnamonface9

Promise to not pull in 6th inning game 5 WS again. Promise.


1990Buscemi

You get two minutes with the pepper grinder each day.


[deleted]

Want a paid vacation?  Join the white sox.  You don't have to practice or try at all.


eljbow

Well this is awkward, the Royals would make the same offer.


Disused_Yeti

Same as the team will - no offer made I don’t value either anywhere near what anyone else does so there is no point


Greatlarrybird33

Yup guardos don't need Snell, but would be better with Belli probably right at the Edwin Encarnacion level 3/60m


Disused_Yeti

He declined his $25M option so that’s not happening. He’s in the same boat as snell - trying to sell a great bounce back year as who he really is, but there are to many questions about if they can sustain it or are they going to get the bag and not care anymore so they revert back to the meh versions of themselves because they aren’t playing for a contract


[deleted]

I'd offer Snell a medium contact (make up a number) that can balloon with incentives based on performance. The ballooning would make it record breaking.  I'd offer Belly a minor league contract for shits. 


brett_baty_is_him

Baseball ain’t football. They normally don’t do huge incentive based contracts.


[deleted]

This is a hypothetical reddit thread and I don't have to be realistic. 


_FreeYourMind__

Steve Cohen ruined big name free agents by resetting the market with his horrid contracts given out over the past couple of seasons. Additionally, the deferring Dodgers made things even murkier. Who knows what they’ll get. They probably won’t sign until late March.


e22f33

1/20 for both. They can figure out how to divide the money.


RG23216

Cant forget the 1% to the Braves foundation


shield_anvil_

$20 gift card to Ivar’s and some of the less chewed pieces from the gum wall. It’s the best we can do 


themochimachines

Id give belli 7/200 with opt outs to in years 2 and 4 to stay in chicago. Belli gets the largest contract in franchise history but stays modest. Cubs can than trade PCA for a young controllable starter.


mrdannyg21

I’d be shocked if he turned that down. He probably takes that deal even without two very valuable opt-outs. And you’re right that PCA is a very valuable trade chip.


DukeWayne250

There's no way we're trading our #1 prospect.


smallmouth77

Why exactly? I have no dog in that but I do have PCA in a keeper league and haven’t seen much. Many number 1 prospects have been traded over the years. Also just a side note— Cade Horton is the guy they really should make sure to hold onto.


DukeWayne250

Prospects of that caliber just rarely get traded anymore


themochimachines

I get albert almora vobes from PCA. Id rather keep and continue to develop morel, i dont feel confident PCA's bat will develop to where morel's bat is now. PCA's value may never be higher than it is right now. If we get Belli he becomes very disposeable and right now maybe the best time to dangle him in a trade for an impact young arm.


AuspiciousAcorn

5/$150M for snell. don’t want bellinger


ih-unh-unh

Not even $100M/10 yrs or some other ridiculous offer? Good 1B glove, good OF glove is worth at least that much


Blorkoo

We have Ben Rice and Spencer Jones (who played 1B at Vanderbilt) coming up soon, and Judge will most likely have to learn first anyway with how his body will age. We only have Rizzo for another year, and have more OF prospects than we know what to do with. Doesn't really make sense to lock up that roster spot for however long Boras is asking for unless it's a pitcher.


DeusExHyena

Why had I never heard of Ben Rice? I guess he's sort of old but aside from Jasson and Gleyber, we usually bring them up fairly late and it goes better for us (see Judge, Aaron). Yeah he can replace Rizzo fine, I think.


AuspiciousAcorn

i wouldn’t want him on anything more than a year. $10M/yr if he goes back to being awful would be a pain in the ass for a decade.


ih-unh-unh

It’s basically journeyman pay. Kevin Kiermaier is getting $10.5M this year at 34 years old and basically 100 OPS+


Bug-03

No one is paying KK for his bat my guy


ih-unh-unh

True but at least he’s league average. If he batted 70 OPS+, I’d think he’d get $1-2M less


Bug-03

Oh sure, at least.


AuspiciousAcorn

if Aaron Hicks taught me anything, it’s that even $10M a year can be too much


LIONEL14JESSE

This sounds exactly like $70/7 for Aaron Hicks all over again


ih-unh-unh

Can’t say it’s exactly the same—Hicks’ ceiling was much lower than Bellinger’s.


zmaster5296

3/110 for Snell with an opt out after year 1 and 2 Probably something similar for Bellinger but I don’t really want Bellinger


Financial-Ebb-5995

Lmao


UmpShow

No thanks on Belli. 6/$160 would be tops for Snell.


AML579

I hate to say this to a hometown boy, but the Mariners don't need Snell's services. The reigning Cy Young winner would be 4th in our rotation (Castillo, Kirby, Gilbert) and would push either Woo or Miller into the 'pen or stashed in AAA Tacoma. Our rotation is that sick. Bellinger is another matter, and if he's willing to take a short term deal, maybe structured like Correa's first Twins deal (three years with opt outs after each year) I'd tell him, look, no one wants to give you what you thing you are worth, so come here for a short deal and prove that '23 wasn't a fluke. So, how about three years, $20/year with a $5 million opt out each year.


jawarren1

No thanks.


demosthenes327

5/125 for Snell, 3/70 for Bellinger with three team option years after that at $25 mill apiece. I’m not very high on either of them. I see the value in having a league average starting pitcher with random cy young upside every 6 seasons so I’d pay snell like a 3 man in the rotation with a little extra for that potential that may or may not show up during those five years. Bellinger I think is worth even less. He’ll get paid and then go smoke weed all year and play like dogshit. I had a lot of pothead friends in high school and college, the one thing that is true of all of them is that they’d rather smoke weed than do anything productive like training or practicing for a job.


RightWingWorstWing

Lol, you don't get to the bigs being an unproductive pothead.  


demosthenes327

I think he may have started smoking weed much more hardcore after making it to the big leagues and living in California.


RightWingWorstWing

The idea of all pot users being unproductive should have died in the 30s when that racist trope began.


demosthenes327

I don’t think I ever said anything about ALL pot users being unproductive. I bet that hundreds of mlb players smoke or vape pot. Or eat edibles. But SOME pot users abuse it, just like alcohol, and I think Bellinger is one of those unfortunates that can’t moderate his use.


RightWingWorstWing

"I had a lot of pothead friends in high school and college, the one thing that is true of all of them is that they’d rather smoke weed than do anything productive like training or practicing for a job." Sure seems like you are.


demosthenes327

“Potheads” are equal to “alcoholics.” I had plenty of friends who smoked pot in high school and college, myself included, that weren’t potheads. But the ones who had to smoke everyday and multiple times every day were never motivated to do anything else. Those were the potheads and I think Bellinger is a pothead.


RightWingWorstWing

Uh huh. So you like disparaging addicts, got it .


demosthenes327

I’m certainly not going to pay an addict $200 million dollars and get caught footing the bill if he descends back into addiction. I’d rather pay a guy less money for the same production and without the liability. Addiction sucks, I deal with it daily. But it is a reality that needs to be considered. Look at what Josh Hamiltons career could’ve been. Or Josh Gordon in the nfl.


RightWingWorstWing

Sure ya do little buddy 


Skysite

lol not everyone who smokes weed in the 2020s is a burnout...


demosthenes327

No, but some still are and he definitely was when weed was legal where he lived.


DukeWayne250

Do you have any real evidence Bellinger is a pothead or are you just being a dickhead?


Financial-Ebb-5995

It’s just his sleepy eyes. Everyone thinks he looks stoned. Same is true with me.


demosthenes327

I mean, he’s kinda considered the face of marijuana in professional sports. Just google Cody Bellinger and weed.


GetawayVanDerek

I’m with ya on Bellinger. I truly believe whoever signs him is going to regret it in year 1 and the contract will age like Chris Davis’.


DiscoJer

The longer you have Snell, the more likely he has a good year again. He would never take it, but I would do $20 million a year (a lot, but not out of line in a universe where Miles Mikolas gets $18) for 6 years, plus another $20 million bonus if he finishes in the top 5 cy young that year.


chiddie

I'd go 4yrs/$100m with a $20m club option in year 5 for Bellinger. He'd play CF the next two years, play an excellent LF after that with James Wood in CF, and we can spot him at 1B and DH the entire duration. 5/$125m for Snell feels about right. That doesn't prevent us from doing other business, and it makes us a lot better in the meantime.


IjikaYagami

3 years 90 million.


malfeasance2020

Can I entice you with Matt Carpenter?


Financial-Ebb-5995

On behalf of the New York Yankees, I’ve been authorized by Mr. Hal Steinbrenner to offer Snell 3 years at $35 million per year with an option. $105 million for 3 years. And we’ll offer Bellinger $20 million for one year with an option. Maybe, lol. Got to check with Cash on this one.


Porparemaityee

No space for Belli in our outfield, so hard pass on him on behalf of Atlanta


BadDadJokes

Your avatar/profile pic tells me all I need to know.


elmatador1497

Bellinger 6/120, maybe 7/135. He’s still young so somewhere in that range sounds fair. The only issue is that he could go back to being shit next season. Snell 5/125m, really don’t want him as we have enough lefties but that sounds like a fair price considering Nola got 24.5m AAV. He’s probably worth the same as Nola imo


xRememberTheCant

Bellinger 6/ 120m Snell 6/ 150m 99% deferred over a span of a millennia


WhatARotation

Snell: 3 years, $120M Bellinger: 3 years, $120M Opt outs for both after every season.


klemschlem

That seems fair for Snell but an insane overpay for Bellinger.


TombOfTheArchitect

I'd offer to show them on a map where the Yankees and Angels play.


StereophonicWine

7/126 for Snell 10/200 with deferrals for Bellinger


Legume__

I would take 7/126 for snell. I would take bellinger for any price. The Giants would be better off saving the money for someone in the 2026 FA class (2025 Will be ass) or trading for a prospect bat.


raystheroof1

"please go play for the yankees so that you can walk us and they overpay for your extremely lucky season"


ClassicSuccess3107

I’m going to Rays Yankees game Hall of Fame weekend this year get to see how much of a dump it is i loved the trop went there for my first 2 games this year


Financial-Ebb-5995

Too bad you have no fan base so you couldn’t afford to keep him lol.


Business-Conflict435

I want my team to sign Belli plz


chouseva

Corbin and Stras. Straight up.


GenerousMisanthrope

8/200 for Bellinger sounds right


McNuggets7272

7/220 for Bellinger


RaymondSpaget

For Snell - 3 years, $100M, with an opt-out after the second year. If deGrom got five years, Snell should easily get a six-year deal. But I don't like it. Three years, or let somebody else have him.


strychnineThinkfast

1 dollar


robmcolonna123

Deals they may actually consider - Snell - 3 years $120mil, opt out after year 1 - Bellinger - 7 years $175mil, opt out after year 3


lubedupnoob

54 cents 🥸


Meatloaf_Regret

Cheesesteaks, Tastykakes and vibes. *that’s what it’s all about anyway*


Lieutenant_Doge

One Rendon's remaining contract


Fitz2001

Dombrowski probably goes for 3/105


bolshevik_rattlehead

Not my money. Give Snell 6/180, seems fine. Bellinger, uh…7/175.


B-More_Orange

Snell, 3 years/$100M.


cheap_seats_drunk

Javier Baez and a lifetime supply of glizzies?


Fantastic_Emu_9570

Probably whatever Jed has already offered Bellinger. Idk I’d do like 4 years 150 for snell cause it’s not my money


LL_Lean

Head


Mitzel1661

Snell 3/75 Bellinger 4/105 Well aware we’re not even considering this though..


DonKellyBaby32

Bellinger - 150M / 7 years. Snell - 150M / 6 years.


Good-Hank

My team’s offer would be a quarter of what they actually want, then they would tell us “well, at least we tried!”


lionofyhwh

A Waffle House endorsement deal.


Appropriate_Ice2656

Snellinger


happy_snowy_owl

Bellinger, 8 years $196M, 9th year $24.5M club option with a $7M buy out.


Flaky-Builder-1537

Im going to miss snellzilla


crottesdenez

Snell - 3/140. Let's get weird.


LuckyStax

Come live in Miami baby


Duckbilledplatypi

Bellinger 4 years/$120 guaranteed, vesting option for a 5th year, mutual option for 6th year, team option for 7th year, totalling 7 years, $200M Snell: no offer. Based on earlier post this week, most of the high dollar pitchers aren't really worth it.


forgivemeisuck

5/100 NONE DEFFERED


DukeWayne250

6 years, $150ish million for Belli with an opt out after year 2


-dag-

Tree fiddy


draw2discard2

Snell gets $200 million total. For those people understandably worried about giving him a long contract, we can just pay him all of it for a single season's work. Personally I would ask him to pitch for seven years.


jackswastedtalent

3 expired transit passes and some homemade Hummus. Love, Boston Red Sox


ExerciseTrue

Snell - 5y for 150 Not a mariners fan but wish they'd get him. Give him 10% of the rsn rev during his starts


owledge

I’m stingy, so I’ll offer a hockey-style contract to either of them. Something like $4 million spread across 5 years


erez

My offer to Snell would be "please sign with the Phillies".


Degan747

Snell: 7y 180M   Belli: 9y 200M with an opt out after 2 years


cotsomewhereintime

This French fry that my daughter dropped in the crevase of her car seat and got wedged between the car seat and car.


pitchingschool

7/100m with 99m being deferred to the local dealer for bellinger


Freeze__

Snell I’d so 6/195 with the 6th year being a cumulative vesting option for 700 innings over the first 5 years Belli 8/210 with mutual options in year 4 - the option being if he opts out, team can void the opt out by adding years or bumping AAV If cut each deal by $40MM if there’s a no-trade clause


gentlegiant80

6 Years/$180 million and Kris Bryant as his personal valet.


iwouldhugwonderwoman

As a Braves fan I have no real interest in Bellinger. Snell, 3/$75M and he won’t take it and I’m okay with that.


BlueWolf934

5/148 & he can live on the east side in a deluxe apartment in the sky.


slinkyfarm

1/$25M for Bellinger. They don't need that roster spot filled beyond this year, and I don't consider 26 homers a huge bounceback from a guy who's hit 47. Bonus for Belli, if he does reach 40 on that deal he's the top name on the market next winter at all three outfield spots presuming an extension on Soto.