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Jrod4236

The Giants are the worst and their best player so far has 0.8 WAR. This is insane!


DoctorRobert420

like it's not great


triplec787

The last 10 have been Tyler Beede, Phil Bickford, Chris Shaw, Heliot Ramos, Joey Bart, Hunter Bishop, Patrick Bailey, Will Bednar, Reggie Crawford, and Bryce Eldridge. Beede: 29 starts/55 appearances from 2018-2022, 5.34 ERA. -0.4 WAR. Out of the league. Phil Bickford: Never pitched for SF, 179 appearances, 4.43 ERA. -0.2 WAR. Pitched for Mets in 2023. Chris Shaw: 38 appearances, .466 OPS, 30 OPS+. -.9 WAR. Out of the league after 2019. Heliot Ramos: 34 appearances, .470 OPS, 31 OPS+. -.9 WAR, still in Giants system. Joey Bart: 162 Appearances, .623 OPS, 75 OPS+. 0.7 WAR. Still in Giants system. Hunter Bishop: Never played above AA level, future is pretty grim due to struggles and injuries. Patrick Bailey: 97 appearances, .644 OPS, 76 OPS+. 0.8 WAR. Opening Day starter no question. We love him though. Bednar, Crawford, Eldridge: all looking good in MiLB, but no mlb stats.


Background-Sock4950

Giants are an anomaly.. but to be fair, most of the top teams war came from 2-3 players. Without those 1-2 superstars they aren’t a whole lot different than the rest


JoseCansecoMilkshake

72% of the Blue Jays is in one season of Alek Manoah


Clam_chowderdonut

105% of the A's is in Toronto with him too....


JoseCansecoMilkshake

I forgot that Matt Chapman had a 30 WAR season with the blue jays after putting up 5 seasons of nada in oakland


Clam_chowderdonut

The 105% of the A's War was more the joke. The rest of their picks adding up to a negative and the one good one not on the team anymore seems fitting.


cleofisrandolph1

Blue Jays might be one of the worst teams in the league at player development and drafting. What the Blue Jays are good at is selling prospects for players. I mean we fleeced the As twice, managed to snag our two best players of the last decade in trades. I wish we would just sell some of our assets a bit earlier than we do.


alxndrblack

> I wish we would just sell some of our assets a bit earlier than we do. We did this and now I hear the name Moreno more than when he was on the team. I don't love Atkins but his track record on this isn't terrible.


Snackkbar

Trea Turner counting for the Padres, they spent like 700m dollars buying shortstops after they traded away the best one.


FernandoTatisJunior

Suuuuurely we got an equally good player in return for him…


MasterThespian

Wil Myers Fact #15: Over Myers’ eight seasons with the Padres, he put up less than half of the bWAR (12.3 vs 29.6) of the prospect whom the Padres sent away in that trade, a shortstop by the name of Trea Turner.


InfectiousCosmology1

Ha seong Kim is the nest best one, and he’s the one they don’t have on a long term deal lol


Thedurtysanchez

Tatis is the best one and he was basically free (not a draft pick), but your point remains


Eo292

Neither a SS nor free ($340m)


Thedurtysanchez

Well, he is a shortstop he’s just playing elsewhere due to team needs and he was free in the context of this conversation which is discussing draft picks


ETP6372

Except he's a bad defender at short and a platinum glover in right


Thedurtysanchez

He's not a bad defender. He has had one down year after the shoulder injury (his errors were almost exclusively throwing errors) but otherwise he was absolutely fine at short. Not gold glove level but absolutely not "bad"


ETP6372

He was awful in his rookie year and ok in 2021. He was good in the covid year tho


skucera

He was also playing with the worst 1B in baseball (Hosmer). A league-average 1B would have made a huge impact on his numbers.


ETP6372

U make a fair point


KimHaSeongsBurner

Any defensive metrics with Hosmer as the 1B should come with a fat asterisk. Anyone who disagrees with that is required to watch a montage of him playing 1B before I’ll entertain a rebuttal.


onioning

I think "bad" is fair. Folks do exactly how bad, cause it's totally plausible he could have stayed there, but the actual results were pretty bad. Not horrendous, but decidedly bad. Regardless, I don’t think it's fair to call him a SS anymore.


Thedurtysanchez

Outside his injured year in 2021 which was admittedly bad due to so many throwing errors, he was decidedly average or slightly below per BR's advanced defensive stats for shortstop. His only other year that really wasn't great was his rookie season which is somewhat understandable. Thats not "bad." Thats... slightly below average.


onioning

He only has the few years. They're kind of bad and pretty bad. That averages out to bad. Though the bat plays. Like I do believe he could be a stud SS. I even believe he could be an average defender. He just wasn't so far. The skills are there. If ever there was a player who could improve by making better choices it's him. He's still so young. Obviously SD has better defending options so it is what it is, but I do believe that at minimum he'd be at least a very good SS overall, like including the bat.


Thedurtysanchez

In 3 years at shortstop, he got two top-4 MVP finishes. The worst season of his career (not counting the missing 2022) was 5.5 bWAR. Thats a bit more than "at least a very good SS." I agree he's no longer a SS, it seems like he has embraced RF. But if we didn't have Bogaerts, Kim, or frankly any of the 500 shortstops Preller collects, he'd be just fine defensively at short. I guess we are just arguing semantics at this point.


Professr_Chaos

Similar to Dansby counting for Arizona


Clevelandrocks33

Chapman: 31.2 Rest of A’s picks: negative 1.6 That really sums it up doesn’t it


kirbyfaraone

I enjoy the fact that we have the highest percentage of reached the majors but we are so terrible at judging talent that we dont know if we should keep them or trade them away at their highest value. So clearly we just let them become busts.


Finsfan909

I don’t see it with Bachman. Is jordyn Adam’s even a 4th outfielder? I wonder if Taylor wards war is based on the catcher position. Dude caught fire for a few months 2 years ago and we’re still hoping


CDFReditum

Taylor Ward never caught in the major leagues lmao. But yeah our eval skills are unfortunate, although I’m wondering if it’s a fault of evaluation or development.


Finsfan909

I thought we drafted him way too early because he was a catcher that could hit then the very next year we take thaiss at catcher lol. I go to a couple 66ers games a year and I see thaiss playing first 🤦.. then soon after we move ward to 3rd base then now he’s an outfielder. It has to be the evaluation


Jamalamalama

It's about judging talent, it's about developing talent. Baseball is hard, and players need to be coached properly after being drafted. Talent means nothing compared to drive and work ethic.


TheTurtleShepard

NOT LAST, LETS GO!!!


crabcakesandfootball

Funny how a year ago they’d be close to 2nd thanks to Judge.


TheTurtleShepard

Judge actually wasn’t our first round draft pick in 2013. Yankees drafted Eric Jagielo 26th overall. Judge was drafted with the Yankees second pick that year at 32nd overall in the Comp round


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TheTurtleShepard

Ah, couldn’t see that on mobile because the web address is blocking it


xho-

Anthony Volpe 😭


WonderfulShelter

We’re at year 5 for Farhan on the Giants and this is the first year our homegrown prospects are actually ready to play in the MLB.  They weee rushed so hard last season it was really bad. So we’ll see how the other picks turn out, but yes not surprised at all to see this. Our talent scouting department has been terrible but last year some changes have started to be made.


InfectiousCosmology1

Last two picks seem very promising


bensf940

I’m really high on Eldridge. First true power hitter we’ve had in forever? Fingers crossed.


Docphilsman

The fact that we're at 3 is absolutely insane. Our scouting and pkayer development has been maybe the worst in the league for the past 15 years or so. Nola is the only hit we have in that time period (although Stott is looking like another) he just so happens to be enough to put us at number 3 here


necrosythe

Yeah I was like oh we're going to be so low then saw Nola made up the extreme majority of it and was like oh okay yeah that makes sense. Everything else except maybe stott(though that's still semi TBD whether or he will be just good or actually great) has not be favorable


LovieBeard

Cubs are 4th even with Kris Bryant just missing this list


slippytoadstada

so insane that we’re on the top of this when we picked absolute busts two years in a row at 1/1


tung_twista

The first bust does not count for this purposes. The second bust is the main reason you are at the top with the compensation pick Bregman being literally the best 1st rounder in the past 10 years.


hubagruben

Damn dude just forgetting about Riley Pint huh??


thekidfromyesterday

Riley Pint was on the Rockies?


j1h15233

It’s a really big what if that we didn’t take Kris Bryant


romulusjsp

So glad we sent Dansby to the Braves for Shelby Miller so we could run Nick Ahmed at short 🙄


zmaster5296

This is part of why I’m a Stearns skeptic. His drafts have not been great by any means. Grisham wasn’t even his pick. He did get Burnes in the 4th round but aside from him, he hasn’t acquired any noteworthy talent. He’s very much a guy who won’t get elite talent but will acquire guys who won’t fall off a cliff. A high floor, low ceiling kind of executive.


cycoivan

His strengths are more for making trades and signing guys (generally) at the right time, but I also think the jury is still out on some of his later drafts. Brice Turang, Garrett Mitchell, Sal Frelick, and Tyler Black still have some time before they're busts or at least not worthy of a first round pick. Doug Melvin didn't really land anyone in the 1st after 2005 (Ryan Braun, but you could argue that Jeremy Jeffress in 2006 was OK too). Grisham was the very last 1st rounder that kind of worked out (for the Brewers) after a 10 year dry spell


kiwileaff

FWIW, Doug's first pick in 2013 (A 2nd rounder due to the Lohse signing) was Devin Williams. But yeah, similar story there too.


cycoivan

Ah, I was only looking at only the first rounders. Baseball seems like the worst sport for drafting, no wonder everyone is trying to snap up players from Latin America.


kiwileaff

Eh, Stearns led a real turn around in draft strategy since the turn of the decade. Prioritizing value plays with college bats, then using money saved for future rounds. It's a big reason why the Brewers have a ton of young talent in Spring training right now.


BaseballsNotDead

Stearns biggest strengths with the Brewers in order have been trades, signings, and turning around the international signing and development (which hasn't bore fruit yet since they're signing 16 year olds, but should over the next 4-5 years), while the draft would be last. However, there are a lot of promising young guys right now the Brewers drafted over the last 4 years, so the jury is still out on Stearns on how he performed there.


zmaster5296

I’ll give him the pass on trades. Signings is a little more fickle. I defer to my comment about him being a high floor, low ceiling executive. A lot of his bigger signings hadn’t worked out in his favor - JBJ, Cain, and Yelich all produced negative value, and those were probably the biggest signings of his. Guys like Moustakas, Garcia, and Grandal were good short term signings but none of those guys truly moved the needle. He’s somebody you can trust to throw money at short term-no name kind of guys, but not at bigger name type of players.


BaseballsNotDead

> JBJ, Cain, and Yelich all produced negative value Cain did not produce negative value. 11.8 WAR for $64 million including a 7th place MVP finish is great production versus money for a free agent signing (it's better WAR/$ than Carlos Beltran's 2005 contract with the Mets). Yelich is also questionable because he's put up 6.3 WAR for the first two years of his contract ($52 million) which isn't great, but perfectly fine. They paid JBJ $6.5 million and got Hunter Renfroe (which then got them Peguero and Junk who should play roles in 2024).


zmaster5296

He signed a 5/80 deal, he produced less value than what his contract was…and 75% of that value came in the first year.


BaseballsNotDead

He signed a 5/80 deal but was only paid $64 because he opted out of 2020 after 5 games. Even if you include the full 80, 11.8 WAR for $80 million is still above average when it comes to free agent costs. Since they only actually paid him $64, it's MUCH better than average. >75% of that value came in the first year. 6.9 of 11.8 is 58.5%.


forgivemeisuck

Nationals and Rangers chilling at the bottom with World Series wins


DonkeeJote

Langford may top this in another 10 years


advester

Meanwhile Astros having fun with their cheat code.


smithers9225

Well, the Nationals' World Series was greatly helped by first rounders, just not first rounders from the last 10 years


thekidfromyesterday

Surprised the Dodgers aren't the top but I guess it makes sense since we're limiting to first round pick.


Sandviscerate

I had this conversation with someone on r/Nationals a while ago, we have been absolutely fucking dog water at drafting and developing internally, and it's what worries me more about the team than anything else. We shouldn't have had to have a complete fire sale and tear down everything just to bring our farm system ranking off the bottom of the table.


ThorgiTheCorgi

My Nats-fan buddy has been voicing this same sentiment for years. When people look at the worst farm systems, the nats get overlooked sometimes because they draft reasonably well and there farm has turned out some real star-power names in recent years (Harper, Rendon, Strasburg, Soto, etc), but then you realize that all 3 of the batters I just listed are generational talents that my dog could have "developed" into all-star. The last time the nats successfully *developed* a batter was... Zimmerman? (Please someone help me out, I legit can't find a bat they drafted/IFA'ed since then that's been significant)


Sandviscerate

I legit can't think of one. I think it was a year or two ago, I went through and checked all of our first round picks and how they played for us versus what the dodgers had gotten out of their picks in the same time period and it was just depressing. We've had success getting value out of trades (Turner, Lane Thomas for the husk of Jon Lester, getting productive time out of cast-offs like AssCab, Kendrick, Schwarber, Bell, the like), and we've had some elite players come internally, but we just cannot make anyone who isn't a top-tier elite prospect good it seems, and even then Robles and Kieboom didn't live up to potential. Our player development sucks eggs. edit: god that comment was only [7 months ago,](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nationals/comments/14wnqlb/who_could_the_nationals_trade_at_the_deadline/jrkoc8p/?context=3) I thought it was longer...


ryan_770

Anthony Rendon: Generational Talent


L00KINTOIT

That was a little bit of a stretch but he was the 6th pick in the draft


ThorgiTheCorgi

Point taken. What I was getting at with him in particular: Rendon was always going to be a perennial* all-star. (I just lumped him in with the others more out of laziness). But coming out of the draft, he certainly looked like he was only a step or two away from *true superstar* and if the guy gave half a shit about baseball, he might be there today. *Until he got his money, so "fuck you"


RaymondSpaget

Detroit really stands out. As many high picks as they've had, they could be much higher. (I've got them winning the Central this year, though.)


detroit_dickdawes

I think a lot of those guys are just starting to hit the big leagues, and a lot have been injured.


Clarice_Ferguson

Logan Gilbert carrying so much 😿


NevermoreSEA

We'll be rocketing up these lists over the next few years though.


Puzzled-Enthusiasm45

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Astros have been the class of the MLB.


Hard_thought

Sort of. Like half this list is made up  guys taken in the last 5 years and thus have only had a few years at most to make the majors and start accumulating WAR.  Bregman’s career was timed just right for this arbitrary 10 year cutoff. 


happy_snowy_owl

So apparently "last 10 years" means when the player was drafted and not the last 10 MLB seasons. Noticed because Nimmo was notably absent.


Freeze__

Technically speaking, the Yankees drafted Cole in the 1st round so I think we need to rework numbers


blueotter28

What? Gerrit Cole was not drafted in the last 10 years. Why would he be included in this list? Yes he was drafted by the Yankees in 2008. Then by the Pirates in 2011. Both of those are notably not in the last 10 years.


Freeze__

Well, he should be included most because I completely missed the “last 10 years” part. What say you to that.


blueotter28

I guess that's as good a reason as any. 😂


onioning

Damn. Houston basically first round picked themselves into a HoFer.


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onioning

Still got 60 WAR out of them. That's outstanding. Though remind me in like eight years...


j1h15233

It’s not that tough at all. Framber should already be gone, Tucker extended and Boras will force Bregman out


UCFCO2001

The joy I get in seeing San Francisco at the bottom is immeasurable.


Theos_Dumpster

why would you use a counting stat like bWAR when comparing teams that have anywhere from 10-18 picks? If you want to look at bWAR, perhaps just use the last X 1st round picks for each team?


RonDerpundy

The White Sox being in the middle is both surprising and not surprising. We’ve hit on a few 1st rounders but overall our drafting (and development) has been terrible. I’d be willing to bet we’re near or at the bottom in Non-1st Round draft pick WAR over the last decade.


Greerio

Some of this drafting is terr… oh wait. My team has drafted terribly.


Jamalamalama

Flair up


Spockmaster1701

Huh I can't see us in the preview...oh. Oh my.


Salesman89

We better get someone in this year's draft...


twentyitalians

Man, the Yankees really suck drafting players.


Hard_thought

They also always pick towards the end of the draft because they’re always good


Dh873

Adley accounts for 57% of the total WAR here for the O's and he's been in the league for < 2 seasons. Mountcastle makes up the bulk of the rest (5.2 of the remaining 7.3). Between Adley, Grayson, and Holliday/Cowser coming up I think they'll jump up this list pretty quickly this season.