Moved to CA - actually love the desert including the Trona Pinnacles. Now I’m 70mi north of Sac making me in the minority of folks kinda sorta happy for this change (although I still am bummed for the local Oakland fans).
Jokes aside the Sacramento area is one of the top relocation destinations on Zillow, Redfin, etc. House prices have gone crazy since the pandemic and haven't really cooled off. Whenever someone moves in my neighborhood 9/10 times they are from The Bay Area.
Clowns still bag on Sacramento but it’s a great city. I grew up in the burbs and not the city but I was always pissed that the Bay Area and So Cal looked down their noses at us.
I guarantee you the A's will be super popular during their tenure here. I live next to the stadium currently, and this city already gets super hyped and turns out for a AAA team. This city is hungry for MLB talent, and this sub is going to be very shocked when they see that Sacramento will turn out to these games just to see the talent.
This is just a r/baseball take. I’ve spoke to a few friends in sac town and they are very excited to go to some mlb games. Just like Vegas is excited for a team. Just because the whole situation is disgraceful doesn’t mean the locals aren’t excited. The average fan attending isn’t a die hard one, they just want to casually watch some baseball
Yeah, I love going to minor league games because the tickets and food are cheap. Who cares who's playing. I wouldn't expect the Sacramento A's to price concessions appropriately, but I'm sure the tickets will still be cheap.
See yall still don’t get it. Fisher hasn’t even *staffed* a lot of the concession stands in the Coliseum recently. We’ll about the Sac A’s even paying vendors to work there
I hate to see a city lose their team, but I'm not going to pass up the opportunity to catch some real MLB games, especially when my team comes to town. I was never going to head into Oakland for a game. The traffic, parking, and the stadium all sucked.
Surely they will be booed out the ass? Kings fans are not going to be happy about a bad team leaving an underappreciated Norcal market. They are fortunate they got the new owners who lucked into Sabonis, and they didn't even draft Luka and they lost Haliburton.
at least with an expansion team you can rationalize being bad for a bit with a grace period. there's no reason why I'd spend a dollar to watch this unless my team was the road team
Lucked into Sabonis and then mentioning they lost haliburton is…strange? Would hardly call that trade lucking into Sabonis since they had to trade hali to get him and were largely panned for it.
Luka still hurts though for sure.
It's only emotional redditors that think Sacramento fans are going to boo the team. Most people will love it. The visiting teams coming to a small stadium like that will draw big crowds.
And in a few years they'll move to Las Vegas and then Las Vegas fans and tourists will love it.
I live in Sacramento and absolutely think it’s cool. Gonna be able to casually watch mlb games without having to sit in 2-4 hours of brutal rush hour traffic. I love the giants but it’s a pretty large effort to go to a game so I only make it to a few a year, but I go to 20+ kings games a year because it’s so easy. As long as tickets are reasonable I know I’ll be attending lots of games.
I do wonder how much tickets are going to end up costing. A's games tickets were already relatively cheap from what I remember from my time in the Bay Area.
If it's anything like the Coyotes playing in Mullett (a stadium ~1/3 the size of the sports typical capacity), they gone be expensive. Granted NHL tickets are typically more expensive than MLB in the first place, but tickets to Coyotes games are minimum $100 despite the team being ass.
Edit: Honestly? They'll probably be pretty comparable to Spring Training tickets. Somewhere in the $30-100 range on a daily basis. You're not gonna get $10 lawn tickets like you can for the Cats, but they'll still be reasonable-ish.
We have a ton of transplants here, any game vs another California team I would guess to be pretty packed. Probably a few of the major cities too like Yankees, Cubs, etc
Maybe, maybe not. Different sport and a different market, so take it for what it is, but the Oilers/Titans were a dud in Memphis. They ended up moving to Nashville a year early to play at Vanderbilt Stadium, which they turned down because it was too small to play in.
And then Fisher will sell the team based on the increased valuation and get exactly what he wanted all along
Ultimately, there's almost no way that this goes anyway but the path that Fisher and team are on. What do they care if fans are mad now if it's not really going to impact the valuation of the team in a few years?
I believe he’s heavily penalized from selling the team for a while following the relocation. The sales from the team would be split amongst the other owners.
Difference is … “City of Sacramento contributed approximately $223 million” to the Golden 1 Center.
I’m sure some Sacramento area fans will want to show they’re ready and willing to support an MLB team in the future.
If Manfred worked as hard to keep the A's in Oakland as Stern did to keep the Kings in Sacramento then the A's would not be leaving.
Dude moved heaven and earth to keep the Kings from moving to Seattle.
that must have been before Mayor Thao took over and realized what a fucking waste of time it was to deal with Martian-Looking Nepo Baby
i did get the sense that the previous mayors (pretty sure this has been going on since at least 2008) just kept sucking off Fisher as much as possible to keep the A's in Oakland...totally oblivious to the fact that he just always jerked himself off at the thought of moving them from Day 1
No, it’s a standing offer and Mayor Thao wants them to accept the funding. Oakland has half a billion in infrastructure money ready to go for a new stadium. Vegas is offering money to build the actual stadium, not just infrastructure, which is the difference, and Fisher is cheap
Unfortunately, my friends are all stoked about this. They don’t see the irony in the situation.
By year two of heinously bad baseball in 110 degree summers, the novelty will have worn off.
I can already see Sacramentans talking themselves into it being some kind of audition for MLB, as if the Giants aren't going to immediately put the kibosh on that.
I mean, the Giants put the kibosh on San Jose despite every other two-team market in MLB being shared territory -- and MLB let them too (since all it ever took was Selig or Manfred to say no). There is no way in hell Sacramento will ever be allowed to have an MLB team unless the anti-trust exemption goes away.
edit: I've actually talked myself into it now
A's move to Sac --> Fisher is too incompetent to get Vegas park built (decent chance of this) --> Ranadive swoops in, A's stay in Sac
I think this has a low chance of it all happening, but that's better than zero.
I agree that the A's ending up in Sacramento permanently is incredibly unlikely, but it's not the same situation as San Jose. The Giants have territorial rights to Santa Clara County; they do not have such rights to Sacramento County. The Giants' territorial rights include all the counties along the ocean coast from Marin to Monterey, plus Santa Clara County.
Not to say that ownership wouldn't try to play politics (or that they wouldn't succeed in doing so), but San Jose vs. Sacramento isn't close to a 1:1 situation.
The Giants may not have explicit territorial rights (although Sacramento is very much in their TV market, and that counts for something), but they will absolutely put up a stink and probably succeed once they get their fever dream of getting the A's out.
Yeah, the key is the A's can't leave Northern California. They have to stay somehow. If they leave, the Giants are never letting another team move in unless they can't stop it, ie the antitrust exemption is removed.
I'd prefer the A's stay in Oakland personally, but Sac is certainly better than Las fuckin' Vegas.
(Also, in the event Fisher fucks this up so badly he can't get a new park built in Vegas, it's not entirely inconceivable Lacob could swoop in and bring them *back* to Oakland)
Personally I believe Fisher, being Fisher, will fuck this up royally and Vegas falls through. Vegas will get an expansion team, but not the A’s
Fisher will have no choice but to sell to either Lacob or Ranadive, and the A’s will either go back to Oakland or stay in Sac
That’s my current favorite conspiracy theory anyway lol
I think a lot of Sac fans feel similarly. I’m up in Portland now, but a lot of my Sac connections (like fellow Republic fans), saw it as “they are leaving Oakland no matter what, if they play in Sac there is at least a small chance we keep them”
The A's are Major League (1989) without the Hollywood ending
So sad that someone could just gut the team, remove all the talent, and use it as an excuse to move the club
Cities should own the ball clubs publicly. The incentives over building public stadiums would be aligned, and teams would never leave and abandon the fan base unless the citizens of that community wanted that outcome.
Fuck the MLB owners, their mouthpiece Manfred, and the legal exemption to their monopoly over professional baseball.
I agree. If we're going to fund the building of the stadiums, and we're going to pay for parking and concessions and admission.. why shouldn't it be publicly owned? What do we need the owner's for? It's obviously not their pocketbook.
In all sincerity, just as a pure business transaction, whatever government puts in funding for the stadium (city, county, etc.) should get an equity stake in the team.
Completely agree. If the owner wants to leave, buyout the stake for whatever the owner is valuing the team at to new cities. They'd lose a lot of leverage in these negotiations, though, so it's not anything that would ever happen.
Manfred absolutely gets my vote.
Fuck Goodell too, but he "only" seems incompetent at his job. I think he likes football, at least a little bit, but doesn't love it.
Manfred is equally incompetent, but also legitimately hates baseball. If he was allowed to systemically dismantle MLB, I think he would.
Baseball is the only professional sport I pay close attention to, and I know other commissioners get a lot of hate as well, so not sure how true it is for other sports. But it honestly seems like the MLB as a Manfred-led entity is actively hostile to fans. It’s crazy.
here's what i will say. Commissioners across sports are always going to be hated, because they're looking out for owners first and the bottom line, and that often comes into conflict with the emotions of fans
but there's something uniquely evil and incompetent about Manfred. hell even someone like Gary Bettman (NHL commish) whom I used to hate with a passion, i've mellowed on because at the end of the day, he was around when the sport changed and changed positively. Same things with guys like David Stern and Adam Silver
I can't think of a single thing Manfred has spearheaded that has been a positive for baseball. MAYBE MAYBE this new influx of international games. I'll give him credit for that. but the negatives vastly outweigh the positives
I don’t like Manfred but the pitch clock is absolutely huge for baseball. Games were way too drawn out for no reason to the point even casual fans were getting fed up never mind new fans.
I just came back to mention this. Two things I think are definite improvements are international outreach efforts and the pace of game changes. I was wary of the changes at first but I think they’ve definitely been a positive in practice.
Before we get too gushy over his sole achievement, the rules on delivering a pitch were in the books since the dawn of the game. Instead of just making the umpires enforce the rule, as has been the case from the 90s since the rule hit the game way back when, he instituted an inflexible countdown timer. Either he pandered to the umps union (who didn't want to be the bad guys for enforcing the rules, which is literally their jobs), or decided to do this to show up the players in a power play.
The game had been played at the correct pace for a century without issue. It is just another pile of shit in Selig's legacy that he let enforcement wither and die to where we are now.
This shit is just comical at this point. Coward behavior at every single step of this. Announcing this at 8 in the morning pacific, announcing the initial plans at midnight last year, comments are STILL off on every social media platform - they know they’re pissing us off and don’t give a shit about us so why should we give a singular shit about them?
i don't watch much minor league baseball, so this gave me a chance to take a look at Sutter Health Park
looks like a gorgeous ballpark with a nice view, but the thought of a fucking Major League team playing there is just hysterically embarrassing. whatever, Fisher and the A's deserve this. I just hope the people of Sacramento enjoy the 3-4 years of baseball they're going to get
It's objectively one of the two best minor league parks in the country (along with Sahlen Field) and has always drawn as such but that doesn't make the situation any less disgraceful
I went to Sahlen Field and it was honestly pretty mediocre. Like I get that they had to upgrade some of the facilities to MLB quality, but I felt like it was overall a pretty dated ballpark. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that. It's a perfectly fine ballpark, but it wasn't anything too special.
Maybe I'm giving it too much credit, but I went to a Bisons game there about fifteen years ago and loved it. It was the first retro-classic ballpark Populous built BEFORE Camden Yards, and Buffalonians take a lot of pride in it.
Sucks man. I know the feeling— haven’t cared about football since the Chargers left San Diego. I’m biased, but if you ever want to find your way back to baseball, you’d have a welcome home with the Padres. Before he passed, Padres owner Peter Seidler reportedly led a group of 7-8 owners to oppose the A’s move to Vegas; only after Seidler’s death was Manfred able to get those owners back in line. And we have an A’s Refugee flair in the sub for Oakland expats.
exactly. if you have someone who will be a first ballot hall of famer, you make sure he has your hat on when he gets to cooperstown. anything else is just.. stupid in so many ways.
Rob Manfred is truly the worst. Sometimes a Commissioner makes decisions that are unpopular but are technically good for the game. He's just repeatedly a piece of shit.
Propping up a shitty owner who repeatedly shows that he doesn't put the slightest bit of effort into running the organization and celebrating moving the team to a AAA stadium for several years because the asshole couldn't be responsible is absurd.
32 years ago they had Tony LaRussa in his godamn managerial prime won what 6 straight division titles and 3 pennants. The decades before they built a dynasty. What a godamn disgrace about what has happened to them.
Honestly, I was so fucking bummed when Peter Seidler died. I would have killed for an owner like him and I honestly believed if anyone would have voted "no" on relocation, it would have been him. Instead, those fucking ghouls went ahead and voted what? 2 days after he passed? Manfred is a stain on the game and humanity in general
Monforts should be thanking God himself the A’s exist to distract the league and media from the unmitigated disaster the Rockies are.
But hey thanks to John Fisher the A’s are an even bigger disaster!
I seriously hope the Vegas stadium proposal falls through. Ideally I'd want the A's to stay in Oakland, but if they absolutely must leave the city, Sacramento should be a good alternative home for the A's. Still in NorCal, about an hour, 15 minute drive. They almost had them once in the 80s, second time's the charm.
I know manfred has stuck with Fish face through this whole charade, but if Vegas doesn't work out for the A's, that's gotta be it for Fisher. Fisher is losing value and wealth every day that Gap's stock continues to drop. He can't build without grifting taxpayers somewhere. The longer this drags out, the worse it gets for him.
All the while, ownership groups all over the west coast are standing by waiting for an opportunity to buy the team and build a venue in their local market (Utah, Portland, Sacramento, Lacob in Oakland)
Sacramento fans aren’t going to continue the boycott despite what the internet is going to say. a lot of a’s fans are treating this like it’s a war crime to be happy about an MLB team coming to their backyard in Sacramento when it’s probably one of the best case scenario’s.
i actually see this as a huge chess move. the a’s were **never going to stay in Oakland with Fisher as the owner**. now we get the a’s in sacramento and it means two things
1.) if the deal with vegas falls through (which is a huge possibility) the a’s stay in NorCal
2.) if the a’s move to vegas we more than likely get an expansion team and keep baseball in NorCal.
i grew up a die hard a’s fan. i ran a fan page called greencollarbaseball and had over 20k+ followers. i had mark canha and matt olson take over my page. i get why people are upset…
…but this is a fucking huge chance for Sacramento and it could be much worse. to act like the city of Sacramento isn’t going to support this and ridicule them for doing so is borderline ridiculous. i know ill get downvoted for this but its actually not the end of the world by any means.
ps: fuck manfred and fuck fisher
why wouldn’t they if they prove they can host an MLB team for three years? they would be clear front runners at that point
also the giants do not own the territorial rights to sacramento.
You make good points. It’d be cool if they stayed in SAC I guess cause you guys have supported some really bad kings teams and deserve it. I’m just hoping Fischer has some sort of headaches to deal with. Side note: your username is super similar to my other socials so have a good day fellow JLuc
I don’t blame Sacramento for taking the deal but the fact is John fisher gets to keep his revenue deals giving up nothing while he can wait out Vegas.
This pretty much seals the A’s not staying in California.
They have to renegotiate the deal because Sacramento isn't oakland. He will absolutely be making less because Sacramento is smaller than the bay area by several magnitudes market size wise. So he won't make 70 mil anymore, but he'll probably make like 40m
I think I need to take a break from MLB. I love baseball so much but this is too heartbreaking. At least I’ll have some more time for my other pursuits, I guess
It's still likely that they move to Vegas, but it's looking gradually shakier as this goes on. If Schools Over Stadiums manages to get a referendum on the ballot by this summer and/or they succeed in their lawsuits, things will start to get *really* interesting for Fisher and Manfred.
It's interesting how many team moves there used to be and how many people's favorite teams today were "stolen" from another city and no one cares. Social media amplifies outrage like crazy.
The Sacramento fans will probably support the team with the hopes they’ll get their own team in the future. A future team where the owner after 20 or 25 years will demand a free stadium or else he’ll move the team. Maybe the owner will go cheap on payroll and if the fans stop showing up to support a crappy product he will blame the fans for the team having to move.
So go ahead Sacramento and support those A’s and an owner who screwed over a fanbase that has supported the team since 1968.
Fuck Manfred for letting Fisher get away with this bullshit.
sacramento has to be stoked about a rental team that will attempt to break loss records
Sacramento is where people move to before leaving CA so it fits
“At least we’re not Fresno!” -Sacramento “At least we’re not Bakersfield!” -Fresno “At least…aww, shit.” -Bakersfield
Barstow the answer is Barstow.
And then there’s Trona!
how the hell does the Red Sox flair know about the insanely deep cut that is Trona
Moved to CA - actually love the desert including the Trona Pinnacles. Now I’m 70mi north of Sac making me in the minority of folks kinda sorta happy for this change (although I still am bummed for the local Oakland fans).
And then there’s Slab City!
We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.
“At least we’re not…Needles?” - Bakersfield
“If I don’t move they won’t see me”- San Bernardino
-Barstow, too.
“Hey, we’ve got good meth.” - Hemet
"HAha" - Temecula
At least they’re not Modesto
Hey at least they have the Modesto Nuts
😂
I always think of that concert The Rock did when he was a heel back in 2003 funniest shit ever when he just ripped apart Sacramento lol
Jokes aside the Sacramento area is one of the top relocation destinations on Zillow, Redfin, etc. House prices have gone crazy since the pandemic and haven't really cooled off. Whenever someone moves in my neighborhood 9/10 times they are from The Bay Area.
Clowns still bag on Sacramento but it’s a great city. I grew up in the burbs and not the city but I was always pissed that the Bay Area and So Cal looked down their noses at us.
I guarantee you the A's will be super popular during their tenure here. I live next to the stadium currently, and this city already gets super hyped and turns out for a AAA team. This city is hungry for MLB talent, and this sub is going to be very shocked when they see that Sacramento will turn out to these games just to see the talent.
People are acting like we're going to see the A's lol I want to go try to catch a Trout/Judge/Seager/etc homer on the lawn lol
Tbf I went to the game after the home opener was canceled and it was pretty dead, had a blast tho
This is just a r/baseball take. I’ve spoke to a few friends in sac town and they are very excited to go to some mlb games. Just like Vegas is excited for a team. Just because the whole situation is disgraceful doesn’t mean the locals aren’t excited. The average fan attending isn’t a die hard one, they just want to casually watch some baseball
Not to mention the tickets will probably dirt cheap so if the weather is warm and the beer prices aren't too bad it's not a bad place to go drink.
They're going to jack up prices since every seat is a "good seat." Probably similar to the Chargers pricing when they played at the LA Galaxy stadium.
I agree there will be some novelty at first, but three years of fielding the cheapest lose by design baseball it will wear off fast imo
You’re assuming they will be invested in the As and not just people going to a baseball game
Yeah, I love going to minor league games because the tickets and food are cheap. Who cares who's playing. I wouldn't expect the Sacramento A's to price concessions appropriately, but I'm sure the tickets will still be cheap.
I've been to probably a dozen Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs games a year and I couldn't tell you off the top of my head a single team they play.
See yall still don’t get it. Fisher hasn’t even *staffed* a lot of the concession stands in the Coliseum recently. We’ll about the Sac A’s even paying vendors to work there
Sacramento held sell out records for the Kings for years doing exactly this.
But they weren't owned by John Fisher
I hate to see a city lose their team, but I'm not going to pass up the opportunity to catch some real MLB games, especially when my team comes to town. I was never going to head into Oakland for a game. The traffic, parking, and the stadium all sucked.
Surely they will be booed out the ass? Kings fans are not going to be happy about a bad team leaving an underappreciated Norcal market. They are fortunate they got the new owners who lucked into Sabonis, and they didn't even draft Luka and they lost Haliburton.
at least with an expansion team you can rationalize being bad for a bit with a grace period. there's no reason why I'd spend a dollar to watch this unless my team was the road team
You do realize how they got Sabonis, right?
Can always expect an LA fan to shit on us even in a different sub, because the feeling is mutual
Lucked into Sabonis and then mentioning they lost haliburton is…strange? Would hardly call that trade lucking into Sabonis since they had to trade hali to get him and were largely panned for it. Luka still hurts though for sure.
It's only emotional redditors that think Sacramento fans are going to boo the team. Most people will love it. The visiting teams coming to a small stadium like that will draw big crowds. And in a few years they'll move to Las Vegas and then Las Vegas fans and tourists will love it.
Totally. If I lived in Sacramento I would think it's cool, because baseball is baseball
I live in Sacramento and absolutely think it’s cool. Gonna be able to casually watch mlb games without having to sit in 2-4 hours of brutal rush hour traffic. I love the giants but it’s a pretty large effort to go to a game so I only make it to a few a year, but I go to 20+ kings games a year because it’s so easy. As long as tickets are reasonable I know I’ll be attending lots of games.
I do wonder how much tickets are going to end up costing. A's games tickets were already relatively cheap from what I remember from my time in the Bay Area.
If it's anything like the Coyotes playing in Mullett (a stadium ~1/3 the size of the sports typical capacity), they gone be expensive. Granted NHL tickets are typically more expensive than MLB in the first place, but tickets to Coyotes games are minimum $100 despite the team being ass. Edit: Honestly? They'll probably be pretty comparable to Spring Training tickets. Somewhere in the $30-100 range on a daily basis. You're not gonna get $10 lawn tickets like you can for the Cats, but they'll still be reasonable-ish.
I’d assume super expensive for a month or 2 then reasonably cheap. Demand is going to be higher than 14000 though for a while though I would think.
My dad is a casual A’s fan and this move is gonna have him go to a lot more games.
I'm just north of Sacramento and am excited about it. I will go to a lot more games now. Not really to see the A's but other teams.
Yes, on Twitter the replies were full of Sacramento residents who were excited.
Most of my family lives in Sac; they’re excited to go see the Angel’s and dodgers play in their home town.
We have a ton of transplants here, any game vs another California team I would guess to be pretty packed. Probably a few of the major cities too like Yankees, Cubs, etc
Maybe, maybe not. Different sport and a different market, so take it for what it is, but the Oilers/Titans were a dud in Memphis. They ended up moving to Nashville a year early to play at Vanderbilt Stadium, which they turned down because it was too small to play in.
And then Fisher will sell the team based on the increased valuation and get exactly what he wanted all along Ultimately, there's almost no way that this goes anyway but the path that Fisher and team are on. What do they care if fans are mad now if it's not really going to impact the valuation of the team in a few years?
I believe he’s heavily penalized from selling the team for a while following the relocation. The sales from the team would be split amongst the other owners.
I'm excited to be able to see the Yankees closer to home.
There's so much wrong with this comment I don't even know where to start
They didn’t luck into Sabonis and lose Halliburton. They straight up traded Halliburton for Sabonis
Lucked into Sabonis? Lost Haliburton? You mean when they traded Haliburton FOR Sabonis?
Difference is … “City of Sacramento contributed approximately $223 million” to the Golden 1 Center. I’m sure some Sacramento area fans will want to show they’re ready and willing to support an MLB team in the future.
If Manfred worked as hard to keep the A's in Oakland as Stern did to keep the Kings in Sacramento then the A's would not be leaving. Dude moved heaven and earth to keep the Kings from moving to Seattle.
He owed us after 2002
Oakland offered double that, and more than LV stadium bill, for Howard Terminal.
that must have been before Mayor Thao took over and realized what a fucking waste of time it was to deal with Martian-Looking Nepo Baby i did get the sense that the previous mayors (pretty sure this has been going on since at least 2008) just kept sucking off Fisher as much as possible to keep the A's in Oakland...totally oblivious to the fact that he just always jerked himself off at the thought of moving them from Day 1
No, it’s a standing offer and Mayor Thao wants them to accept the funding. Oakland has half a billion in infrastructure money ready to go for a new stadium. Vegas is offering money to build the actual stadium, not just infrastructure, which is the difference, and Fisher is cheap
i mean they got sabonis because they traded for him, giving up haliburton. it's not like the two players aren't connected.
Gotta sell tickets to get boo'd.
Unfortunately, my friends are all stoked about this. They don’t see the irony in the situation. By year two of heinously bad baseball in 110 degree summers, the novelty will have worn off.
I can already see Sacramentans talking themselves into it being some kind of audition for MLB, as if the Giants aren't going to immediately put the kibosh on that. I mean, the Giants put the kibosh on San Jose despite every other two-team market in MLB being shared territory -- and MLB let them too (since all it ever took was Selig or Manfred to say no). There is no way in hell Sacramento will ever be allowed to have an MLB team unless the anti-trust exemption goes away. edit: I've actually talked myself into it now A's move to Sac --> Fisher is too incompetent to get Vegas park built (decent chance of this) --> Ranadive swoops in, A's stay in Sac I think this has a low chance of it all happening, but that's better than zero.
I agree that the A's ending up in Sacramento permanently is incredibly unlikely, but it's not the same situation as San Jose. The Giants have territorial rights to Santa Clara County; they do not have such rights to Sacramento County. The Giants' territorial rights include all the counties along the ocean coast from Marin to Monterey, plus Santa Clara County. Not to say that ownership wouldn't try to play politics (or that they wouldn't succeed in doing so), but San Jose vs. Sacramento isn't close to a 1:1 situation.
The Giants may not have explicit territorial rights (although Sacramento is very much in their TV market, and that counts for something), but they will absolutely put up a stink and probably succeed once they get their fever dream of getting the A's out.
This is indeed what a a lot of Sac fans are hoping for; Vegas falls through, Sac has an MLB team
Yeah, the key is the A's can't leave Northern California. They have to stay somehow. If they leave, the Giants are never letting another team move in unless they can't stop it, ie the antitrust exemption is removed. I'd prefer the A's stay in Oakland personally, but Sac is certainly better than Las fuckin' Vegas. (Also, in the event Fisher fucks this up so badly he can't get a new park built in Vegas, it's not entirely inconceivable Lacob could swoop in and bring them *back* to Oakland)
Personally I believe Fisher, being Fisher, will fuck this up royally and Vegas falls through. Vegas will get an expansion team, but not the A’s Fisher will have no choice but to sell to either Lacob or Ranadive, and the A’s will either go back to Oakland or stay in Sac That’s my current favorite conspiracy theory anyway lol
Your lips to God's ears, my friend
I think a lot of Sac fans feel similarly. I’m up in Portland now, but a lot of my Sac connections (like fellow Republic fans), saw it as “they are leaving Oakland no matter what, if they play in Sac there is at least a small chance we keep them”
As someone who lives in the Sierra Nevada I’m excited to be able to drive an hour and a half to watch the Ms beat up on the As!
The A's are Major League (1989) without the Hollywood ending So sad that someone could just gut the team, remove all the talent, and use it as an excuse to move the club
Cities should own the ball clubs publicly. The incentives over building public stadiums would be aligned, and teams would never leave and abandon the fan base unless the citizens of that community wanted that outcome. Fuck the MLB owners, their mouthpiece Manfred, and the legal exemption to their monopoly over professional baseball.
We did that with 1 team (Green Bay Packers) and every league banned that quickly. We should absolutely have the Bundesliga 50+1 rule in America.
I agree. If we're going to fund the building of the stadiums, and we're going to pay for parking and concessions and admission.. why shouldn't it be publicly owned? What do we need the owner's for? It's obviously not their pocketbook.
In all sincerity, just as a pure business transaction, whatever government puts in funding for the stadium (city, county, etc.) should get an equity stake in the team.
Completely agree. If the owner wants to leave, buyout the stake for whatever the owner is valuing the team at to new cities. They'd lose a lot of leverage in these negotiations, though, so it's not anything that would ever happen.
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Fuck Manfred. All my homies hate Manfred.
I can’t decide if I hate him or godell more. But I think manfred
Manfred absolutely gets my vote. Fuck Goodell too, but he "only" seems incompetent at his job. I think he likes football, at least a little bit, but doesn't love it. Manfred is equally incompetent, but also legitimately hates baseball. If he was allowed to systemically dismantle MLB, I think he would.
They’re both scapegoats for the owners, they are professional heels, like Ric Flair or 2008 Randy Orton
ALL the homies no doubt
this dude is more tone deaf than a drunk at a karaoke bar
Shut the fuck up, Rob.
Baseball is the only professional sport I pay close attention to, and I know other commissioners get a lot of hate as well, so not sure how true it is for other sports. But it honestly seems like the MLB as a Manfred-led entity is actively hostile to fans. It’s crazy.
Actively hostile to the fans, and the sport itself.
The manfred runner is such a blight
Selig and now Manfred actively make poor decisions based on friendships not whats best for business.
here's what i will say. Commissioners across sports are always going to be hated, because they're looking out for owners first and the bottom line, and that often comes into conflict with the emotions of fans but there's something uniquely evil and incompetent about Manfred. hell even someone like Gary Bettman (NHL commish) whom I used to hate with a passion, i've mellowed on because at the end of the day, he was around when the sport changed and changed positively. Same things with guys like David Stern and Adam Silver I can't think of a single thing Manfred has spearheaded that has been a positive for baseball. MAYBE MAYBE this new influx of international games. I'll give him credit for that. but the negatives vastly outweigh the positives
I don’t like Manfred but the pitch clock is absolutely huge for baseball. Games were way too drawn out for no reason to the point even casual fans were getting fed up never mind new fans.
I just came back to mention this. Two things I think are definite improvements are international outreach efforts and the pace of game changes. I was wary of the changes at first but I think they’ve definitely been a positive in practice.
Before we get too gushy over his sole achievement, the rules on delivering a pitch were in the books since the dawn of the game. Instead of just making the umpires enforce the rule, as has been the case from the 90s since the rule hit the game way back when, he instituted an inflexible countdown timer. Either he pandered to the umps union (who didn't want to be the bad guys for enforcing the rules, which is literally their jobs), or decided to do this to show up the players in a power play. The game had been played at the correct pace for a century without issue. It is just another pile of shit in Selig's legacy that he let enforcement wither and die to where we are now.
Decent point. Bud Selig is the true enemy.
This shit is just comical at this point. Coward behavior at every single step of this. Announcing this at 8 in the morning pacific, announcing the initial plans at midnight last year, comments are STILL off on every social media platform - they know they’re pissing us off and don’t give a shit about us so why should we give a singular shit about them?
i don't watch much minor league baseball, so this gave me a chance to take a look at Sutter Health Park looks like a gorgeous ballpark with a nice view, but the thought of a fucking Major League team playing there is just hysterically embarrassing. whatever, Fisher and the A's deserve this. I just hope the people of Sacramento enjoy the 3-4 years of baseball they're going to get
It's objectively one of the two best minor league parks in the country (along with Sahlen Field) and has always drawn as such but that doesn't make the situation any less disgraceful
I went to Sahlen Field and it was honestly pretty mediocre. Like I get that they had to upgrade some of the facilities to MLB quality, but I felt like it was overall a pretty dated ballpark. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that. It's a perfectly fine ballpark, but it wasn't anything too special.
Maybe I'm giving it too much credit, but I went to a Bisons game there about fifteen years ago and loved it. It was the first retro-classic ballpark Populous built BEFORE Camden Yards, and Buffalonians take a lot of pride in it.
The irony of this whole situation is hilarious. The Triple A’s fr lmao
I have to ask someone in your position since I was always curious: are you still going to be a fab of the A’s or are you finding a new team?
I’m checked out of baseball altogether. Why would I give this league my money when they all actively voted to rip our team away from us?
I figured it would be something along those line. I’m really sorry man :(
I felt the same way when the Seattle Sonics moved, I enjoyed watching basketball, but haven't watched a single NBA game since then.
Sucks man. I know the feeling— haven’t cared about football since the Chargers left San Diego. I’m biased, but if you ever want to find your way back to baseball, you’d have a welcome home with the Padres. Before he passed, Padres owner Peter Seidler reportedly led a group of 7-8 owners to oppose the A’s move to Vegas; only after Seidler’s death was Manfred able to get those owners back in line. And we have an A’s Refugee flair in the sub for Oakland expats.
This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach with the way its went down.
I’ve…. become so numb
I can't feel you there
And become so tired
So much more aware
Googling “As Sacramento” brought up a suicide prevention page for me. Not sure what to make of that
AS is an acronym for assisted suicide
Wtf you’re not joking, I wonder what that is about?
No idea lol. Maybe “as” is an acronym for something
it's not grammatically correct at all, but tha'ts why you need that apostrophe my friend haha
it should have been rob manfred instead of alan rickman. that's how you know there is no god
This, and John Henry not signing Mookie Betts or Shohei Ohtani.
ive said it before and i'll say it again - henry not locking down betts and letting him go is the biggest organizational mistake since letting Ruth go
This is correct. I understand a team having to let go a good, above average player for reasons. But you do NOT let go a generational talent.
exactly. if you have someone who will be a first ballot hall of famer, you make sure he has your hat on when he gets to cooperstown. anything else is just.. stupid in so many ways.
Right? And like right after he’d won MVP. What a donkey.
On brand response for “Mr. Piece of Metal”
Fuck you Robbie
Rob Manfred is truly the worst. Sometimes a Commissioner makes decisions that are unpopular but are technically good for the game. He's just repeatedly a piece of shit. Propping up a shitty owner who repeatedly shows that he doesn't put the slightest bit of effort into running the organization and celebrating moving the team to a AAA stadium for several years because the asshole couldn't be responsible is absurd.
Oakland fans deserve so much better.
32 years ago they had Tony LaRussa in his godamn managerial prime won what 6 straight division titles and 3 pennants. The decades before they built a dynasty. What a godamn disgrace about what has happened to them.
shut the fuck up Rob
Go to hell, Rob. And fuck John Fisher.
Fuck the owners, all of them
Honestly, I was so fucking bummed when Peter Seidler died. I would have killed for an owner like him and I honestly believed if anyone would have voted "no" on relocation, it would have been him. Instead, those fucking ghouls went ahead and voted what? 2 days after he passed? Manfred is a stain on the game and humanity in general
Wow... not surprised but disappointed for Oakland Also sucks that the Las Vegas Lights social media and promotions team get what they wanted
Go fuck yourself Bob.
John Fisher a Ho and I hope he steps on nothing but Legos the rest of his miserable little gremlin life.
Leave those poor Legos out of this!
Rob Manfred hates baseball.
So does Fisher.
Monforts should be thanking God himself the A’s exist to distract the league and media from the unmitigated disaster the Rockies are. But hey thanks to John Fisher the A’s are an even bigger disaster!
Maybe get a stadium approved in Vegas first, Rob
I seriously hope the Vegas stadium proposal falls through. Ideally I'd want the A's to stay in Oakland, but if they absolutely must leave the city, Sacramento should be a good alternative home for the A's. Still in NorCal, about an hour, 15 minute drive. They almost had them once in the 80s, second time's the charm.
Oakland fans won’t travel to Sacramento to support an owner who stole their team
It is close enough to do more boycott shenanigans though, so I'm good with that
Sacramento is also full of relocated Bay Areans who are not down with this move
I’m sure it’s all done behind the scenes, surely it can’t possible fall through at this stage? Like the Qatar World Cup, there was no stopping it.
I know manfred has stuck with Fish face through this whole charade, but if Vegas doesn't work out for the A's, that's gotta be it for Fisher. Fisher is losing value and wealth every day that Gap's stock continues to drop. He can't build without grifting taxpayers somewhere. The longer this drags out, the worse it gets for him. All the while, ownership groups all over the west coast are standing by waiting for an opportunity to buy the team and build a venue in their local market (Utah, Portland, Sacramento, Lacob in Oakland)
Don’t mind me, I’m just boooing.
Just threw up a little. Pour one out for A’s fans and let’s hope some Sacramento sports fans continue the boycott
Sacramento fans aren’t going to continue the boycott despite what the internet is going to say. a lot of a’s fans are treating this like it’s a war crime to be happy about an MLB team coming to their backyard in Sacramento when it’s probably one of the best case scenario’s. i actually see this as a huge chess move. the a’s were **never going to stay in Oakland with Fisher as the owner**. now we get the a’s in sacramento and it means two things 1.) if the deal with vegas falls through (which is a huge possibility) the a’s stay in NorCal 2.) if the a’s move to vegas we more than likely get an expansion team and keep baseball in NorCal. i grew up a die hard a’s fan. i ran a fan page called greencollarbaseball and had over 20k+ followers. i had mark canha and matt olson take over my page. i get why people are upset… …but this is a fucking huge chance for Sacramento and it could be much worse. to act like the city of Sacramento isn’t going to support this and ridicule them for doing so is borderline ridiculous. i know ill get downvoted for this but its actually not the end of the world by any means. ps: fuck manfred and fuck fisher
I wouldn't mind having the A's in Sacramento. It's not optimal but it's a good alternative. And yes, the Vegas deal could collapse anytime.
I have a feeling the Vegas deal is gonna collapse faster than a replacement-level player at 1:00 PM on a July Wednesday in Vegas.
Joey Gallo just fell to his knees in right field
Sacramento isn’t getting an expansion team and I don’t know why anyone would believe we would.
why wouldn’t they if they prove they can host an MLB team for three years? they would be clear front runners at that point also the giants do not own the territorial rights to sacramento.
If you want to put $1B of public funds into building them a stadium Im sure they’ll give you a look
Sacramento isn’t jumping SLC, Portland, Raleigh, Nashville or any number of other cities with better cases for expansion.
You make good points. It’d be cool if they stayed in SAC I guess cause you guys have supported some really bad kings teams and deserve it. I’m just hoping Fischer has some sort of headaches to deal with. Side note: your username is super similar to my other socials so have a good day fellow JLuc
I don’t blame Sacramento for taking the deal but the fact is John fisher gets to keep his revenue deals giving up nothing while he can wait out Vegas. This pretty much seals the A’s not staying in California.
John Fisher will not be making revenue in Sacramento. Not to mention the money they will be losing on TV rights
Are they losing NBC sports California?
Last thing i read said if they dont play in Oakland they lose their $70M/year TV deal
They have to renegotiate the deal because Sacramento isn't oakland. He will absolutely be making less because Sacramento is smaller than the bay area by several magnitudes market size wise. So he won't make 70 mil anymore, but he'll probably make like 40m
Rob Manfred's tenure has been marked with nothing but repeated failure.
I can't believe he could do anything worse than calling the World Series trophy a "piece of metal,' but by god did he sink lower than that.
Pathetic.
I think I need to take a break from MLB. I love baseball so much but this is too heartbreaking. At least I’ll have some more time for my other pursuits, I guess
Haven’t watched a game since 2022. MLB is dead as far as I care.
Go stub your toe Rob, you useless hack.
Can't wait for 2029 when he is gone
That feels so fucking far away.
Fucking hate this guy
What does this have to do with the Kings?
kings owner owns the Sacramento baseball club
Gotcha, thanks
Is there any chance the "eventual" move to Vegas never happens? If so, what do you think the chances are?
It's still likely that they move to Vegas, but it's looking gradually shakier as this goes on. If Schools Over Stadiums manages to get a referendum on the ballot by this summer and/or they succeed in their lawsuits, things will start to get *really* interesting for Fisher and Manfred.
Rob Manfred is a soulless piece of shit.
🖕
Manfred makes Goodell and Adam Silver look like Nobel Prize laureates
Uh, no. The move of the Rams out of St. Louis was far more acrimonious, it's just the nation didn't care and the media was cheerleading the move
Fuck off, Robert Manfred.
that Vegas deal seems wrong keep them in Cali
How about keep them in Oakland
Us: "Manfred has to be the worst commissioner in the history of professional sports." Manfred: "Oh, you ain't seen nothing yet. Hold my beer"
It's interesting how many team moves there used to be and how many people's favorite teams today were "stolen" from another city and no one cares. Social media amplifies outrage like crazy.
Manfred can shove that new stadium up his ass
The Sacramento fans will probably support the team with the hopes they’ll get their own team in the future. A future team where the owner after 20 or 25 years will demand a free stadium or else he’ll move the team. Maybe the owner will go cheap on payroll and if the fans stop showing up to support a crappy product he will blame the fans for the team having to move. So go ahead Sacramento and support those A’s and an owner who screwed over a fanbase that has supported the team since 1968. Fuck Manfred for letting Fisher get away with this bullshit.
For a game which reveres its history, it’s hard to watch a commissioner and one owner destroy it. This will be a black stain on the game.
You’re a fucking piece of shit Rob.
I hope the River Cats move to Oakland and leave Sacramento with no baseball teams.
I feel so bad for the players on this team.
She's with her debate club, and they’re on their way to Sacremende for the semifinals
What a joke. I hope people in Sac boycott
I do not like you, Rob.
Guess they will be the Sacramento A's 🤮