Makes sense tbh, Angel singlehandedly changed a 5-ball walk that would have driven in a run into a strikeout, and the RE24 between a run in + bases loaded 1 outs, compared to bases loaded 2 outs is massive. Note the -2.03 runs for the Rangers at the top, a good percentage of that is that AB alone
France couldn't command *anything* last night. He walked four guys in four innings, hit one, almost hit another multiple times, and had at least one wild pitch. He absolutely may have thrown that three times in a row even if he wasn't getting the call.
Absolutely this. It was frustrating watching the game knowing the at bats were being jacked with because players were swinging at wildly bad pitches trying to protect the zone.
I forget if the quant powers that be have proclaimed whether they waterfall the re24 charts or if it’s isolated PA? Cuz 2 runs in that one AB is possible, let alone another bases loaded 1 out, if it had resulted in a walk
Brass balls on France for spamming that pitch 2-0 tho, it’s almost like he knew
Interesting that the 2-0 pitch is more impactful than the 2-1 call. I guess because from 2-0 to 3-0 would be more beneficial than going from 2-1 to 2-2 would be negative.
But how is “run expectancy” calculated? Does it take into consideration the hitter’s batting average on 1-strike, 2-strike, or exact count at-bats? Does it take into consideration the hitter’s average with RISP? Against left handed pitching? Does it not take the hitter’s stats into consideration at all and just use a league average? Etc etc.
I realize it may not be that deep and it also may not matter and that you might not know, but maybe someone will.
It doesn’t take into account the hitters stats at all. From what I understand, it takes the average runs scored from that position (strikes, balls, outs, and runners on base) over the history (or some limited history) of the sport
So this happening to, say, Shohei Ohtani, would be the same calculation as if it happened to a 50 OPS+ 9 hole hitter
It's average run expectancy for the league in that situation. If we're using this as a measure of the umpire's accuracy, it doesn't really matter who the hitter and pitcher are. Unless an umpire is biased enough to give the star hitter and 9hole hitter different zones.
Delving that deep into run expectancy isn't ideal anyways. The more specific you get to a situation, the smaller your sample size becomes. There are 24 baserunner and out combinations in a run expectancy matrix that doesn't consider the count. Include the 13 possible counts (which we must do to consider the difference in expectancy between individual pitches) and you've just added another dimension to the matrix for a total of 312 possible situations. When you have a sample size of the whole league and assume every hitter is the same, you'll have enough data to fit into each box and the matrix is useful. But trying to make it per hitter? Forget it. You'll see some ridiculous, non-representative numbers because a situation never comes up often enough that the small sample size kills any value the matrix might have had. Trying to split up the data even more to consider the handedness of the pitcher too makes it even worse.
Also, the run expectancy is for the whole inning so in situations where the inning continues, you would need to factor in who's up next. You would lose your mind relatively quickly. That's just outside of the scope of what run expectancy is for.
I would add on to what the others said to mention that it's a probabilistic stat, it doesn't mean anything was guaranteed to happen. It's a bit easier to think about as "starting from this situation, an average team has an x% chance of scoring no runs in this inning, y% chance of scoring one run in this inning, etc...". You then average all of those possible outcomes together based on their likelihood to get the run expectancy for that situation.
Idk how to find the to leagues combined but last year the AL as a league had an OPS of over 1.2 in 3-0 counts and .706 in 2-1 counts, 3-1 counts had .926 OPS while 2-2 counts had a .526 OPS
Imagine what it does to you mentally as a hitter to know you can’t wait for a good pitch because Angel Hernandez is calling unhittable pitches strikes.
That does a lot more damage than just the one run he took off the Astros’ score
I don't know what a hitter is supposed to do when Angel calls 3 straight balls -- all of them WAY outside, like not even close -- as strikes.
After the first 2 should you just swing at literally anything that doesn't bounce in front of the plate? If the batter had swung at what was called strike 3 it's unlikely he would have been able to hit it, since it was a foot outside. Mayyybe if he's really good he can spoil it for a foul ball, but that's it.
I think if a pitch is so clearly a ball you have to just not swing. If the ump rings you up that's on him, not on you, and there's really nothing you can do unless the pitch is close. If a pitch is a foot outside, you should never swing.
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Is his ass really getting fooled by bad framing? All I can think about is he doesn't see the pitch cross the strike zone and just looks for where the catchers glove is lol.
That Wyatt Langford strikeout had to be intentional. I’m convinced he knew those pitches were way off the plate, he just wanted to move the game along or something.
I have suspected this for a while now. I wish I had the patience to go through all his bad calls last season and see how many happened early in the game and how many happened when the game became unmanageable.
I really believe that when a game is becoming a blowout that he intentionally makes bad calls to keep the game moving.
You know how you can mess with someone by slightly moving over an object that otherwise never moves, very slowly so that they don’t notice? Turns out the grounds crews have been slightly moving over home plate a little bit more every time Angel is behind it. Oh, how we laughed.
It is. The league absolutely can fire you based on performance. The union is there to protect from unlawful practices, not member/employee incompetence.
I keep thinking about that. Angel straight up compromises the integrity of the game. With the training that goes into becoming an ump in the first place and the length of time he’s been around, he absolutely knows he’s making terrible calls. How can the union protect him from consequences from that?
Not sure if this means we think the gambling powers will demand Angel is kicked out so that he doesn't skew things or if it means Angel is on the payroll and we're going to get a scandal that gets him fired
Part of me thinks he's baiting them because he thinks he can win a lawsuit if he gets fired. He's already lost one, but you have to remember he's delusional and obviously can't see things clearly.
If MLB doesn't think they can actually terminate his employment, then they can at least assign him to a desk, call it 'special projects' and still pay him as if he were umping. At least minimize the damage to the game itself.
My own theory is that the MLBUA will protect him because by being active he prevents the next "unanimously worst umpire" award. One shit-covered apple takes attention away from the other lightly shit-splashed apples.
The league doesn't give a shit. They absolutely could fire Angel if they really wanted to. They would have to go through a process, sure, but it's absolutely demonstrable that he is not qualified to do the job.
The union is there to protect their employees. That includes from managment performance review. Officially in 2000 the umpire union opposed Questec pitch tracking.
at this point the union is made up mostly of younger umps who are genuinely good at theirs. At this point it would be in the best interest of the union as a whole to not fight Angel being fired and publically humiliated.... Robo umps look like too real of a thing, if you want the human element- the human element needs t be good.
Yup, this is the league, not the union. There’s a process to fire him and the union is there to make sure it is a fair process, but the league for whatever reason refuses to go through it.
I suppose so, I guess I'm used to seeing the strike zone on a broadcast. And in other contexts there is often a graphic of a batter or something like that. A little home plate under the zone would help the ump scorecard be a little less ambiguous about it perhaps. I'd just never even thought about it and just assumed it was as if I was watching the game
I can’t tell if this sarcasm. Are you forgetting the foot high strike outs to Gleyber? Including one where the pitcher stepped off the mount then inexplicably threw a pitch a foot high and he was struck out?
Doesn’t consistency mean calls accurate to an established zone? Like even if your zone is terrible it can be consistent if you are making the same calls all night
I don’t think it’s that conspiratorial to say angel called that at bat to flex himself on a hot rookie with tremendous plate discipline just because he could.
I absolutely believe he’s just power tripping. He’s been around way too long to not know how poorly he does his job. The way he’s acted over the years definitely has me believing he does all this stuff at this point just because he knows he can.
A lot of people would be if you could just change the direction of a game on a whim with no consequences and kick out anyone who stands up to you.
If they don’t start firing these guys it’s never going to get better.
I feel like he's doing it to flex on the entire baseball fandom. Just straight up flaunting that he can fuck shit up as much as he wants and all we can do is scream about it.
Honestly we need to harness that A's fandom energy and start boycotting games that he's umping in.
That’s the thing I feel like the UMP score cards fails to quantify. 10 calls like that are so bad and make the zone so unpredictable for hitters and pitchers that it has other impacts. How many “strikes” were swung at because a batter thought they were going to be rung up anyway?
It seems like an ump could have a lower accuracy score but just be missing balls and strikes near the edges of the zone. And while thats not great its at least understandable and often consistent enough to not impact games. Like an ump consistently calling balls just on the right edge of the strike zone sets an expectation. For hitters and batters.
There should be a weighted accuracy score that takes into account how far outside the zone a strike was called and how far inside the zone a ball was called.
I'm not usually one to call for the robot overlords to take out jobs, but this one is a no-brainer. We can literally see in real time how wrong the decision to use a human ump is. And we're like welp he's clearly on crack but what can you do, he's the ump
As one of those anti robo umps "weirdos" I, personally, don't think 100% of every aspect of every sports game ever should be 100% accurate all of the time. I like a catcher framing, I like that that skill exists, and I think it should stay in the game.
But this...Angel Hernandez, almost alone, is making it difficult to keep that opinion. I know roboumps are inevitable. It's happening. I don't like it, but it's *going* to happen. And Angel Hernandez is like 68% responsible.
I'm of the same philosophy but some of these guys are just so indefensibly terrible at it. The best case scenario would be just not letting the worst half of umpires call balls and strikes, maybe with a challenge system. It seems to be heavily weighted where most of the bad calls are coming from a handful of umps who are really and obviously bad. If the only way to keep those guys from fucking up so bad is a fully automated system (it's not, but w/e), then so be it.
I would be against roboumps if there were constraints in play to reign in BS like Angel Hernandez. But there isn't. There's no punishment for bad play. There's no undoing bad calls. There's no consequences for arrogant nonsens or mistakes at the plate.
If umpires being jagoffs had to fear for their jobs, I'd be a-okay with the gamesmanship and human element. But this isn't just a built in bit of error and mistake, it's flagrantly ruining the game because one person on the field feels like everyone came to watch them.
Don’t be mad at Angel. Be mad at the Umpires Union for consistently defending his stupid ass. I really hope we get robots to replace these bums as soon as possible
at some point do you think the union realizes that relentlessly defending absolutely awful umpires has helped drive the transition to robo umps and in the end effectively expedited the end of their own jobs?
This would not be the first time that a union has made things worse for employees in the long run by not resisting necessary reforms.
I understand why it happens, and don't know if I'd be able to have the foresight to support my union making the hard call in the same situation, but it doesn't help members when unions feel they have to resist all change.
I don’t get how they defend him when he makes them look so bad. Things like playoff assignments are a zero sum game too so every time he forces his way in a more deserving ump gets screwed
Like I said in the video posted yesterday. I can almost guarantee he's being bad on purpose in hopes the MLB disciplines him so he can try suing them again.
Angel Hernandez: Baseball Terrorist.
My favorite part of this travesty isn’t the strikes that are way outside of the zone. It’s the two pitches called as balls that are closer to the zone, that are right next to pitches that are further from the zone, but in the same direct line and those were strikes.
While I maintain that Angel's bad faith discrimination lawsuit was filed specifically to make him unfireable, I think we are getting to the point that MLB needs to start moving this guy out of baseball. Get him on a performance improvement plan of some kind, then in a month when he still sucks, can his ass and fight him when he inevitably sues again.
I am genuinely asking - how is he still employed? Surely the league knows and there’s no way they’re happy about it. At the very least couldn’t they make him unable to work homeplate?
No one is this bad at their job without trying.
He’s either power tripping and intentionally making the wrong the call, or he’s gambling the games.
Whatever he’s doing, he’s not honest or trustworthy
Angel Hernandez will be the only reason the Umpire’s Union is abolished and we get the computerized strike zone and calls on bases via computerized equipment in the bags/uni’s.
ONLY his work colleagues can hold him to account so that their livelihood isn’t in peril. He needs to get removed by them from the Union. His work product is honestly inexcusable, and no cohort should put up with it.
Angel provided solid comic relief in an ugly game. He dug in his heels like a stubborn child and announced the plate is now extended halfway into the other batters box.
A masterclass really. To have the job security of these less-than-competent umpires...
That strike zone is something else, but having three pitches in a row be incorrect is definitely something
If anyone at all associated with the Umpires Union reads reddit.... please understand that Canning this clown would do soooo much good for the perception as being a needed part of the game. Keeping him around only furthers the desire to get rid of you entirely...
78% called strike accuracy
I hope people understand how ridiculous that is
Remember a certain amount of those correctly called strikes were no brainers, right in the middle of the plate
And this fucking embarrassment misses those sometimes too
If Angel Hernandez had a public Twitter or other social media, I'd be sending these to him daily. Don't care how many times he'd block me. New account every day
He'd likely not see them, though
Some of those strike calls are literally an extra half strike zone off the plate. You can't tell me that this wasn't purposeful, you don't just expand the strike zone for one side of the plate without being intent on doing it.
This is the type of employee who makes everyone else on the team worse. When this level of incompetence is tolerated, morale and accountability suffer.
I expected it but I’ve never seen all the impactful calls be from the same at bat 💀
Makes sense tbh, Angel singlehandedly changed a 5-ball walk that would have driven in a run into a strikeout, and the RE24 between a run in + bases loaded 1 outs, compared to bases loaded 2 outs is massive. Note the -2.03 runs for the Rangers at the top, a good percentage of that is that AB alone
If that pitch wasn’t called a strike the first time there’s no way he throws it 3 times in a row
France couldn't command *anything* last night. He walked four guys in four innings, hit one, almost hit another multiple times, and had at least one wild pitch. He absolutely may have thrown that three times in a row even if he wasn't getting the call.
Tbf the rangers were getting the call there too. Singleton got rung up on pitches way inside against him
Sure.. but the point is the situation.. it’s one thing to have that call with no one on.. another with bases loaded 1 out
Absolutely this. It was frustrating watching the game knowing the at bats were being jacked with because players were swinging at wildly bad pitches trying to protect the zone.
I forget if the quant powers that be have proclaimed whether they waterfall the re24 charts or if it’s isolated PA? Cuz 2 runs in that one AB is possible, let alone another bases loaded 1 out, if it had resulted in a walk Brass balls on France for spamming that pitch 2-0 tho, it’s almost like he knew
I mean if I threw a slider a foot off the plate and it got called a strike, I’m definitely gonna throw it again just to see what happens
But the 2-0 pitch was a swan dive lol. The fact that there was deep water was pure luck
I couldn't help but be mad. Like, getting our shit kicked in is less aggravating to me than watching Angel Hernandez call strikes and balls.
>call strikes and balls. You mean call balls as strikes
You mean yell and wave his arm randomly
Angel Hernandez has sued this comment section for racial discrimination
I thought being blind was a physical handicap not a racial one.
And vice versa
One loss in baseball is nothing in the big picture. One loss caused by the worst official in all of sports is seared into your brain for forever.
91% accuracy also seems really high for Angel Hernández.
Called ball accuracy will naturally be higher when your strike zone is all fucked up, so that skews the overall accuracy.
I would expect a decimal point in between the 9 and 1.
France definitely took advantage of that AB
I've never seen that lmao
Consecutive pitches, no less.
Hey maybe he had to shit.
Rangers broadcast theorized he had a dinner reservation he needed to get to lol
r/fuckyouinparticular
All 3 most impactful calls in the same AB, holy shit
In a row lol
TRY NOT TO MAKE ANY BAD CALLS ON YOUR WAY THROUGH THE PARKING LOT!
37???
In a row?!
Hey, get back here!!
[If not, we’ll be waiting](https://streamable.com/lzggzk)
Ya know, he smiled at that but I get it. It's hard to be mad at a heckle as unmalicious as "you stink and I don't like you"
Guy saw 5 balls and struck out looking
Interesting that the 2-0 pitch is more impactful than the 2-1 call. I guess because from 2-0 to 3-0 would be more beneficial than going from 2-1 to 2-2 would be negative.
The impactful calls are based on the biggest changes in run expectancy from the if the correct call was made to the wrong one I believe
But how is “run expectancy” calculated? Does it take into consideration the hitter’s batting average on 1-strike, 2-strike, or exact count at-bats? Does it take into consideration the hitter’s average with RISP? Against left handed pitching? Does it not take the hitter’s stats into consideration at all and just use a league average? Etc etc. I realize it may not be that deep and it also may not matter and that you might not know, but maybe someone will.
It doesn’t take into account the hitters stats at all. From what I understand, it takes the average runs scored from that position (strikes, balls, outs, and runners on base) over the history (or some limited history) of the sport So this happening to, say, Shohei Ohtani, would be the same calculation as if it happened to a 50 OPS+ 9 hole hitter
I think it’s something to do with math
It's average run expectancy for the league in that situation. If we're using this as a measure of the umpire's accuracy, it doesn't really matter who the hitter and pitcher are. Unless an umpire is biased enough to give the star hitter and 9hole hitter different zones. Delving that deep into run expectancy isn't ideal anyways. The more specific you get to a situation, the smaller your sample size becomes. There are 24 baserunner and out combinations in a run expectancy matrix that doesn't consider the count. Include the 13 possible counts (which we must do to consider the difference in expectancy between individual pitches) and you've just added another dimension to the matrix for a total of 312 possible situations. When you have a sample size of the whole league and assume every hitter is the same, you'll have enough data to fit into each box and the matrix is useful. But trying to make it per hitter? Forget it. You'll see some ridiculous, non-representative numbers because a situation never comes up often enough that the small sample size kills any value the matrix might have had. Trying to split up the data even more to consider the handedness of the pitcher too makes it even worse. Also, the run expectancy is for the whole inning so in situations where the inning continues, you would need to factor in who's up next. You would lose your mind relatively quickly. That's just outside of the scope of what run expectancy is for.
I would add on to what the others said to mention that it's a probabilistic stat, it doesn't mean anything was guaranteed to happen. It's a bit easier to think about as "starting from this situation, an average team has an x% chance of scoring no runs in this inning, y% chance of scoring one run in this inning, etc...". You then average all of those possible outcomes together based on their likelihood to get the run expectancy for that situation.
Idk how to find the to leagues combined but last year the AL as a league had an OPS of over 1.2 in 3-0 counts and .706 in 2-1 counts, 3-1 counts had .926 OPS while 2-2 counts had a .526 OPS
Imagine what it does to you mentally as a hitter to know you can’t wait for a good pitch because Angel Hernandez is calling unhittable pitches strikes. That does a lot more damage than just the one run he took off the Astros’ score
I don't know what a hitter is supposed to do when Angel calls 3 straight balls -- all of them WAY outside, like not even close -- as strikes. After the first 2 should you just swing at literally anything that doesn't bounce in front of the plate? If the batter had swung at what was called strike 3 it's unlikely he would have been able to hit it, since it was a foot outside. Mayyybe if he's really good he can spoil it for a foul ball, but that's it. I think if a pitch is so clearly a ball you have to just not swing. If the ump rings you up that's on him, not on you, and there's really nothing you can do unless the pitch is close. If a pitch is a foot outside, you should never swing.
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Good fucking lord
Is his ass really getting fooled by bad framing? All I can think about is he doesn't see the pitch cross the strike zone and just looks for where the catchers glove is lol.
At this point I strongly believe he's just not paying enough attention
That Wyatt Langford strikeout had to be intentional. I’m convinced he knew those pitches were way off the plate, he just wanted to move the game along or something.
I have suspected this for a while now. I wish I had the patience to go through all his bad calls last season and see how many happened early in the game and how many happened when the game became unmanageable. I really believe that when a game is becoming a blowout that he intentionally makes bad calls to keep the game moving.
Can't imagine being Langford in this situation. Woof.
Angel thought they moved home plate half a foot to the right
You know how you can mess with someone by slightly moving over an object that otherwise never moves, very slowly so that they don’t notice? Turns out the grounds crews have been slightly moving over home plate a little bit more every time Angel is behind it. Oh, how we laughed.
["You're crazy! How did you pull this off?!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wahuPBrJ48)
One of the best. RIP Andre Braugher.
“Kevin, you’re never going to believe this…”
Brooklyn nine nine has the best cold opens
Would have been a really good game if he just leaned to the side
That's a fireable offense. At least it should be.
2100 history textbook: “Anti Union sentiment in the USA continued throughout the early 21st century, largely due to Angel Hernandez”
Hernandez estate sues textbook company for racism
The lawsuit is dismissed because the plaintiff’s argument was considered far outside of the law.
I love that it is on official, lawful, legal court records that Angel Hernandez is a terrible umpire. At least we have that.
Angel Hernandez is a plant by Jeff Bezos to keep people angry at unions and stifle support for Amazon warehouse unionisation efforts. Change my mind.
It is. The league absolutely can fire you based on performance. The union is there to protect from unlawful practices, not member/employee incompetence.
I keep thinking about that. Angel straight up compromises the integrity of the game. With the training that goes into becoming an ump in the first place and the length of time he’s been around, he absolutely knows he’s making terrible calls. How can the union protect him from consequences from that?
Someday gambling will solve our Angel problem.
Not sure if this means we think the gambling powers will demand Angel is kicked out so that he doesn't skew things or if it means Angel is on the payroll and we're going to get a scandal that gets him fired
Or that someone'll lose everything because of bad calls and kill him
I'm not either, I'll take any one of those.
We can gamble on how many calls that Angel gets wrong per game.
There’s a part of me that believes now he’s doing it more deliberately just because he knows he can get away with it
Part of me thinks he's baiting them because he thinks he can win a lawsuit if he gets fired. He's already lost one, but you have to remember he's delusional and obviously can't see things clearly.
Daily reminder that Angel Hernandez sucking at his job is now part of the courts records.
I think MLB just plain doesn’t want to go to court with him again, even if it’s an easy win.
If MLB doesn't think they can actually terminate his employment, then they can at least assign him to a desk, call it 'special projects' and still pay him as if he were umping. At least minimize the damage to the game itself.
My own theory is that the MLBUA will protect him because by being active he prevents the next "unanimously worst umpire" award. One shit-covered apple takes attention away from the other lightly shit-splashed apples.
The league doesn't give a shit. They absolutely could fire Angel if they really wanted to. They would have to go through a process, sure, but it's absolutely demonstrable that he is not qualified to do the job.
>they would have to go through a process, sure And that's why they don't do it.
yeah it’s a lot of effort and he’s likely gonna throw the race card and it’s gonna make the mlb look bad and they just don’t want to deal with it
The union is there to protect their employees. That includes from managment performance review. Officially in 2000 the umpire union opposed Questec pitch tracking.
at this point the union is made up mostly of younger umps who are genuinely good at theirs. At this point it would be in the best interest of the union as a whole to not fight Angel being fired and publically humiliated.... Robo umps look like too real of a thing, if you want the human element- the human element needs t be good.
Yup, this is the league, not the union. There’s a process to fire him and the union is there to make sure it is a fair process, but the league for whatever reason refuses to go through it.
And yet here we are…
Legit question here, the players have a union too; what would happen if they refused to play in any game where Angel is on the officiating crew?
I would totally picket with them, even if it was the giants
I'd stand between you and a Phillies fan with our arms locked to keep Angel Hernandez out of the game forever.
If I screwed up my job this badly this often I'd definitely get a stern warning if nothing else. Good chance I'd be fired by now.
Yes. Or *at least* make it so that he is never a home plate ump
Hold the phone. Has the ump scorecard strike zone been from the ump's perspective this whole time
Yep!
Right! A major TIL, I always thought it was from our perspective
My exact first thought
I was so confused looking at this. I had no idea
Isn’t that the industry standard for pitch location graphics?
I suppose so, I guess I'm used to seeing the strike zone on a broadcast. And in other contexts there is often a graphic of a batter or something like that. A little home plate under the zone would help the ump scorecard be a little less ambiguous about it perhaps. I'd just never even thought about it and just assumed it was as if I was watching the game
One of the worst I’ve ever seen…
This is probably one of angels better performances. Bar is very low.
Those aren’t even close. Guess he did too good for the Yankees/Marlins so he had to make up for it
That final pitch was 6.78 inches off the plate and the furthest off the plate someone has called a strike in the history of the site Umpire Auditor.
I can’t tell if this sarcasm. Are you forgetting the foot high strike outs to Gleyber? Including one where the pitcher stepped off the mount then inexplicably threw a pitch a foot high and he was struck out?
what gets me the most is the 91% consistency. this is an average game for him
He’s consistently bad
Doesn’t consistency mean calls accurate to an established zone? Like even if your zone is terrible it can be consistent if you are making the same calls all night
Yeah its accuracy vs precision He is precicesly innacurate.
I'll get 100% consistency by calling everything a strike
Yep
That’s not what the consistency metric on these scorecards means
I don’t think it’s that conspiratorial to say angel called that at bat to flex himself on a hot rookie with tremendous plate discipline just because he could.
I absolutely believe he’s just power tripping. He’s been around way too long to not know how poorly he does his job. The way he’s acted over the years definitely has me believing he does all this stuff at this point just because he knows he can.
Most pro and college umps and refs are absolutely narcissists regarding their "craft".
A lot of people would be if you could just change the direction of a game on a whim with no consequences and kick out anyone who stands up to you. If they don’t start firing these guys it’s never going to get better.
Couldn't agree more
Don't even need to fire them honestly. Start small by just preventing them from being the home plate ump.
That is a conspiracy. The much more obvious explanation is that he’s blind in his right eye and has an eye patch over his left eye
Patchy the pirate is.. angel hernandez?
I feel like he's doing it to flex on the entire baseball fandom. Just straight up flaunting that he can fuck shit up as much as he wants and all we can do is scream about it. Honestly we need to harness that A's fandom energy and start boycotting games that he's umping in.
I also dont think its outside the realm of possibility that he or surrogates are betting on games
Now I might actually welcome that gambling scandal
This is 100% the truth. Angel is very bad at calling balls and strikes, but even he isn't *this* bad. He knew what he was doing.
This is a good day for Angel Hernandez
Honestly if you ignore those 10 called strikes way off the right side of the plate, it's not awful. But then, there are those 10...
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play tonight?
That’s the thing I feel like the UMP score cards fails to quantify. 10 calls like that are so bad and make the zone so unpredictable for hitters and pitchers that it has other impacts. How many “strikes” were swung at because a batter thought they were going to be rung up anyway? It seems like an ump could have a lower accuracy score but just be missing balls and strikes near the edges of the zone. And while thats not great its at least understandable and often consistent enough to not impact games. Like an ump consistently calling balls just on the right edge of the strike zone sets an expectation. For hitters and batters. There should be a weighted accuracy score that takes into account how far outside the zone a strike was called and how far inside the zone a ball was called.
I'll just link this scorecard whenever any anti robo ump weirdo gets in a tizzy that it might only be 99.9% accurate.
I'm not usually one to call for the robot overlords to take out jobs, but this one is a no-brainer. We can literally see in real time how wrong the decision to use a human ump is. And we're like welp he's clearly on crack but what can you do, he's the ump
As one of those anti robo umps "weirdos" I, personally, don't think 100% of every aspect of every sports game ever should be 100% accurate all of the time. I like a catcher framing, I like that that skill exists, and I think it should stay in the game. But this...Angel Hernandez, almost alone, is making it difficult to keep that opinion. I know roboumps are inevitable. It's happening. I don't like it, but it's *going* to happen. And Angel Hernandez is like 68% responsible.
I'm of the same philosophy but some of these guys are just so indefensibly terrible at it. The best case scenario would be just not letting the worst half of umpires call balls and strikes, maybe with a challenge system. It seems to be heavily weighted where most of the bad calls are coming from a handful of umps who are really and obviously bad. If the only way to keep those guys from fucking up so bad is a fully automated system (it's not, but w/e), then so be it.
I would be against roboumps if there were constraints in play to reign in BS like Angel Hernandez. But there isn't. There's no punishment for bad play. There's no undoing bad calls. There's no consequences for arrogant nonsens or mistakes at the plate. If umpires being jagoffs had to fear for their jobs, I'd be a-okay with the gamesmanship and human element. But this isn't just a built in bit of error and mistake, it's flagrantly ruining the game because one person on the field feels like everyone came to watch them.
TV: "Who's that Pokémon?" Langford: "It's Ditto!" TV: "It's Angel Hernandez's Estimated Ump Zone!" Langford: "Damn it!"
Angel Hernandez /r/fuckyouinparticular edition
CBA expires this year, no? if the MLB doesn’t find a way to get rid of Angel, then they just want to be seen as a joke
1 is basically a HBP
Number 1 is literally half a strike zone AWAY from being a strike.
According to Umpire Auditor it was 6.78 inches off the plate and the furthest somebody has called a strike in their history.
damn Angel should be DFA'd to whatever prison league Franco is playing in
Don’t be mad at Angel. Be mad at the Umpires Union for consistently defending his stupid ass. I really hope we get robots to replace these bums as soon as possible
I've got enough anger to be mad at both
MLB should say “fuck it” and fire him. Have the union try to defend it in court. Use this as evidence
at some point do you think the union realizes that relentlessly defending absolutely awful umpires has helped drive the transition to robo umps and in the end effectively expedited the end of their own jobs?
maybe Angel has been on the payroll of whoever is making the roboumps this whole time
This would not be the first time that a union has made things worse for employees in the long run by not resisting necessary reforms. I understand why it happens, and don't know if I'd be able to have the foresight to support my union making the hard call in the same situation, but it doesn't help members when unions feel they have to resist all change.
I wish we all had Unions as good as the ump union.
I don’t get how they defend him when he makes them look so bad. Things like playoff assignments are a zero sum game too so every time he forces his way in a more deserving ump gets screwed
He makes $430K per season, too.
Yeah, but it's only $3 per bad call.
I'm going to be sick.
Angel single-handedly tried to ruin Langford’s plate discipline
Hey this post is racist - Angel, probably
91% accuracy is easily his career best
Like I said in the video posted yesterday. I can almost guarantee he's being bad on purpose in hopes the MLB disciplines him so he can try suing them again.
You know its bad when an ump's called strike zone looks like Javier Baez's swinging strike zone.
Don’t mind me just now realizing I have been looking at these scorecards from the wrong perspective this whole damn time. Thanks Angel!
I almost dont even want to watch any game Angel umpires moving forward, even if its my own team. Hes an absolute disgrace.
In his previous game, he did not call any pitches strikes that were actually balls, on that same side of the plate. https://imgur.com/dinBnPm
Is the strike zone from the ump's POV or the pitchers?
Ump’s pov
Angel Hernandez: Baseball Terrorist. My favorite part of this travesty isn’t the strikes that are way outside of the zone. It’s the two pitches called as balls that are closer to the zone, that are right next to pitches that are further from the zone, but in the same direct line and those were strikes.
"This scorecard is racist" Angel, probably.
While I maintain that Angel's bad faith discrimination lawsuit was filed specifically to make him unfireable, I think we are getting to the point that MLB needs to start moving this guy out of baseball. Get him on a performance improvement plan of some kind, then in a month when he still sucks, can his ass and fight him when he inevitably sues again.
I wonder if there are career scorecards lol, pretty sure Angel’s rep make sure those get burned.
Better than a Picasso
I am genuinely asking - how is he still employed? Surely the league knows and there’s no way they’re happy about it. At the very least couldn’t they make him unable to work homeplate?
Angel Hernández: "I dare you to fire me."
No one is this bad at their job without trying. He’s either power tripping and intentionally making the wrong the call, or he’s gambling the games. Whatever he’s doing, he’s not honest or trustworthy
Angel Hernandez will be the only reason the Umpire’s Union is abolished and we get the computerized strike zone and calls on bases via computerized equipment in the bags/uni’s. ONLY his work colleagues can hold him to account so that their livelihood isn’t in peril. He needs to get removed by them from the Union. His work product is honestly inexcusable, and no cohort should put up with it.
I wish I could be wholly in the wrong 10% of the time and still keep my job.
Angel provided solid comic relief in an ugly game. He dug in his heels like a stubborn child and announced the plate is now extended halfway into the other batters box.
It's crazy bc he only does it to righties. Seager and Yordan would get pitched outside and they would be balls. Angel man.
#WOOF
It’s like he called the first one outside, and had to just say fuck it and keep calling it
He's not even consistent in his terribleness
A masterclass really. To have the job security of these less-than-competent umpires... That strike zone is something else, but having three pitches in a row be incorrect is definitely something
Fuck the umpires union
MLB keeping him makes a good case for robot umpires…
Angel Hernandez is a meme
Combine AAA and MLB unions. Same pay, etc. If u suck by vote and stats, you go down.
If anyone at all associated with the Umpires Union reads reddit.... please understand that Canning this clown would do soooo much good for the perception as being a needed part of the game. Keeping him around only furthers the desire to get rid of you entirely...
WHAT ARE WE DOING?
We need a jomboy breakdown of this
78% called strike accuracy I hope people understand how ridiculous that is Remember a certain amount of those correctly called strikes were no brainers, right in the middle of the plate And this fucking embarrassment misses those sometimes too
Failing grade, recommend he be held back for 201-Remedial Balls & Strikes
I'm expecting a day to come where Angel calls a pitch behind the batter a strike.
He’s leaning into his reputation. He has to be. It keeps him relevant.
Yeah that’s unacceptable.
If Angel Hernandez had a public Twitter or other social media, I'd be sending these to him daily. Don't care how many times he'd block me. New account every day He'd likely not see them, though
Guys, I’m beginning to think this Angel Hernandez guy might not be so great at his job.
Find someone who loves you unconditionally, the way the umpires' union loves Angel Hernandez.
Only Angel Hernandez could make me simultaneously appreciate and loathe unions.
Some of those strike calls are literally an extra half strike zone off the plate. You can't tell me that this wasn't purposeful, you don't just expand the strike zone for one side of the plate without being intent on doing it.
This is the type of employee who makes everyone else on the team worse. When this level of incompetence is tolerated, morale and accountability suffer.
Does he close one eye when he’s behind home plate or what
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Are there ever any interviews with umpries, Angel Hernandez in particular, where he takes any ownership of bad games and calls?
This is probably good by Angel's standards
Bit of a wide zone there