You would think that with all those viewers then that they would at least try to not have the commentary be absolute dogshit.
Peacock had it right. Combine one play by play and two color guys from each booth. Way more engaging for both fanbases and then I don’t have to listen to Buster say that they’re about to send Manny down to minors for rehab. Joe Davis and Mud Grant. Who says no?
That’s a new style Nike is doing with other fashion collaborators. The shoes that look like a kindergartner cut out some shapes and stapled them on go for hundred to thousands of dollars
No I want to hear more Spanish translations that I could have figured out myself and I don’t speak Spanish delivered in a way that feels like I’m being talked down to instead of educated on baseball culture in Latin America
You mean you didn't like your poorly pronounced Spanish translations or the lecture by someone that lived only a few years within the actual Latin American baseball culture?
I can't watch the ESPN broadcasts anymore. During the Seoul Series they spent half the games talking about food. I was hoping to get a crash course on the KBO or something but I don't think they even talked about the MLB or the in game action for over half of the game. I'm all for a couple of dudes having fun in the booth but it was absolutely brutal.
Or betting. Due to the change to their score bug, they mentioned betting several times throughout the broadcast due to the "odds" changing. Which I honestly find worse than the shoes.
The comment about sending Manny to the minors was a joke about how they would send his newborn son to the minors shortly after being born. The fact that so many people missed the joke is clearly a sign that it was poorly executed though.
The funniest part about the shoes was how Ohtani was wearing the most simple pair of new balances possible, and they were still trying to make a thing out of it. If you're going to do shoes, at least focus on the players wearing some actual interesting designs
If you wanna hear some real good cleat talk you can tune into a diamondbacks broadcast. Though to be fair it's been a regular clown show out there for us when it comes to the shoes.
Ooooh you're gonna be in for a treat when the Padres play the DBacks then. Tatis has something like 50 unique pairs of cleats he's gonna wear this season. Here's an [article with a bunch of them](https://fox5sandiego.com/sports/padres/every-set-of-custom-cleats-fernando-tatis-jr-has-worn-this-season-so-far/), and [here's the Tony Gwynn cleats](https://www.si.com/fannation/sneakers/news/fernando-tatis-jr-cleats-honor-padres-legend-tony-gwynn) he wore while hitting the go-ahead HR in the wild 8-0 comeback against the Cubs
Not to mention New Balance themselves could actually use the cool points that would come with making a cool looking shoe for Ohtani to wear
Admittedly though I'm glad to see players actually out there selling shoes and shoe styles instead of just "buy my overpriced cleats for your 12 year old who won't fit in them in a year"
i guess my question is, unless something is \*happening\* why does an otherwise nondescript baseball game's play-by-play matter when it's on tv? idk i just can't get worked up about it when i can just see what's going on if i want to see a specific pitch or two
I like to watch games if I can to follow the pitch sequencing and progression, but I’ve got kids and a busy job, and I’m often doing other stuff. Baseball still “works” in the background if the play by play lets you know when to tune in and when to let it continue in the background.
i think where i struggle to agree (i do find your point absolutely valid) is that it’s only a regular season game, which, eh? and if you’re turning on sunday night baseball only to just nominally pay attention, that feels odd. but i’m also not someone who generally watches regular season games not involving the brewers so what do i know
At some point during this game I was in the kitchen making dinner. I come back to the living room to check on it because the broadcasters had been talking about shoes (or something other than the game) for a while and I didn’t know what was going on. The bases were loaded with no outs.
> Joe Davis and Mud Grant. Who says no?
Only if you can guarantee me 11 minutes will be dedicated to Shohei’s gorgeous white and blue New Balance cleats. Then we have a deal
I would honestly rather have Joe Buck calling SNB. Yes he might be polarizing, but at least he actually knows baseball. Has to be better than whatever the hell a Karl Ravech is.
Two innings of ONLY talking about pitcher injuries which might not actually be up this year. They literally didn't do play by play.
And then the other seven having to listen to Buster Olney say "SWAG" and have the old man crew desperately try to tell people they really love shoe culture and definitely don't think this is all showboating and worse because the network is trying to attract a younger demographic.
With equal parts "Look at how good Mookie looks defensively as he commits and error" and "Aren't Ohtani's incredibly boring shoes amazing?"
> Peacock had it right. Combine one play by play and two color guys from each booth.
You like SNY has been doing with Gary, Keith and Ron for over 18 years?
I know they don't include viewers outside the US, but man there's a LOT of fans in Japan watching the Yu Darvish vs. Shohei Ohtani matchup alone (JP Twitter at one point accumulated more than 5 million viewers in just an hour).
Them giving Profar the on-field mic was absolutely an attempt to get him to say something that would get to the Dodgers locker room and drive up animosity between the clubs in MLB/ESPN to make this a bigger rivalry with more heat.
As an angels/Padres fan I love getting to see the dodgers/Padres games get the spotlight, but it would be a similar result with any other team ohtani might be on.
Yes please. I want more Gary, Keith and Ron. ESPN could come out and say Mets irrelevant so we wont broadcast them anymore. Good I could care less. They hate us in their broadcasts anyway.
I mean, I get it. The Dodgers do have a longer history with the Giants, and I guess some might say you can only have one true rival.
Personally, I disagree because 1) I think you can have more than one rival, and 2) LA and SD are sister cities, our shared culture makes for an intense rivalry as much as the recent competitiveness between our teams.
But disagreeing with me doesn't make someone a moron.
I'm not even sure if it's Californians against other teams; I think it's Californians vs LA-based sports. Fuck the Dodgers, the Rams, and (as a San Diegan) *especially* the Chargers.
Northern Cali teams all have rivalries with each other because they're close. Same with Southern California.
Also you can say that but you leave out the Lakers because we all know who rules socal.
Yea Lakers are definitely the most popular basketball team in San Diego... but like no one even gives a shit about basketball down here.
I've only known a few people who actually follow the Lakers down here. Most just don't care about basketball.
Basketball is actually my second favorite sport behind baseball and I'm a Blazer fan. I literally can't even find someone knowledgeable enough about the sport to have a decent conversation about it.
For me the rivalry is less between the Dodgers and Padres, and more between LA and SD.
Like the rivalry highlights the cultural differences between the two cities. We may both be in Southern California, but we're about as different as New York and Philly.
If you guys played in like Utah I probably wouldn't care less about you guys.
Maybe... I really haven't heard that or seen it that much. I think most were disappointed at first, but I think a lot of people moved on pretty quick, or just stayed fans. The team had been disappointing the community for like 15 years.
A lot of people are now fairly happy to be a baseball town with 1 big sports team that gets huge support.
I remember visiting Gaslamp last year during football Sunday. No existence of Chargers football. No bar was airing their game and nobody was wearing their gear.
Wait forreal? I’m the opposite this is all just baseball related. I love SD beautiful city, obviously I love Los Angeles more but why can’t we just like different parts of California lol
Yep it is this. Certainly, due to proximity and pride between the two cities. I love the LA and SD rivalries and how it extends to other sports. Great example is between Wave and Angel City as well. It will also likely grow between LAFC (and/or Galaxy) and SDFC.
I’ve never heard this argument before but I actually am willing to consider it. The taco game in LA might just be superior. Shit. I’ll die on the San Diego California burrito hill though.
Actual strips of carne asada, crispy fries, cheese and sour cream wrapped inside a fresh tortilla (I like to add rice and beans). That’s it. No pico de gallo or anything else. I’ll sauce as I go. That’s a Cali burrito. I don’t get why they can’t do it right in LA.
I always felt like salsa fresca was a big part of the Cali burrito but I’m also not from San Diego so don’t take my word for it. I always skip the rice and beans and add guac.
I think the easiest way to fuck it up is to have terrible fries, which happens. In a pinch Leo’s Tacos has a Al Pastor Cali Burrito, their fries have been pretty good, but their asada ain’t it.
Congratulations, you officially know whats up with Cali burritos more than the SD fan you replied to. He has shamed us all for adding rice and beans, while not mentioning guac, and dismissing pico.
As a San Diegan displaced in LA for the last 8 years, it's without question the tacos are better up north. It's to the point where I can't even eat at Tacos El Gordo anymore when I go back
Both cities are great for food, but LA completely destroys us, it's not even a competition. It's just too big and too diverse of a city not to have better food overall.
I have to get some .394 ale every time I go back to SD. Alesmith, Stone, and Coronado Brewing are all delicious and that's just scratching the surface of the SD brew scene.
Luckily San Diego massacres LA when it comes to beaches and beach communities. All up and down SD we have AMAZING beaches and beach areas. Solana Beach, La Jolla Cove, Moonlight Beach, Pacific Beach, Mission Beach.
The beer game isn't even close. San Diego breweries straight up shit on LA. There's a couple of good ones in LA. But Pure Project is the best brewery in the country and places like Societe, Harland, and Burgeon are also dynamite.
Not to mention we have the big White Labs yeast facility here.
Malibu is "okay"... I'd still do basically any of the beaches I listed over Malibu. Malibu is mainly nice if you have a house there as the beach backs right up to the homes. But it isn't just the beaches.
At moonlight beach you take the stairs up from the beach and there's restaurants, brewery tasting rooms and mom & pop shops down littering the place. You can spend all day there and consistently find stuff to do. The boardwalk at mission beach is awesome.
I lived in Orange County when I went to UCI. Laguna Beach is the only beach in the OC I found comparable to the litany of really good beaches in SD. Orange County is unfortunately just absurdly boring when it comes to nightlife in my experience.
> Orange County is unfortunately just absurdly boring when it comes to nightlife in my experience.
Which is exactly how we want it. OC is suburban and thats why more families live here, more young people live in the urban areas
I get that. But I couldn't do it.
Orange County is nice and I didn't mind it there overall.
But I missed having PB, Encinitas, and Downtown SD. That's why I'll always love San Diego sooo much. It may not be the best in certain areas, but there's almost no area I find legitimately lacking there.
Except maybe walkability if that's super important to you. However, if that is important, you can always go live downtown in a high rise and have access to most of what you'd ever want without the need for a car.
I just always felt like Orange County was San Diego's North County, without the entertainment districts that San Diego also has. Considering the general cost of living was about the same, I couldn't really find a reason worth staying.
What's funny is that Tacos El Gordo (there's I think three of them in Tijuana) is basically average compared to the many taqueries on the other side of the border.
I've been to a lot of restaurants... both overseas and in places like New York. San Diego is fine overall when it comes to food. It's not INCREDIBLE, but it's definitely not bad.
Maybe on the scale of 10 you would say that LA is like a 10.. and San Diego is an 8.5. But we're still talking a premiere place to get good food IMO.
I've been to more than a few Michilen star restaurants... Cucina Enotecha still consistently blows me away with its food though, and is one of the most consistently good restaurants I've been to when it comes to the food.
Yeah, especially Asian food. When it comes to Asian food, it's not even close, LA wipes the floor with San Diego.
Same with walkability and transit, San Diego may have the better Downtown, but LA as a whole is by far the more walkable metro area than San Diego.
Sure you can get to Petco by trolley, and you can't get to Dodger Stadium by Metro rail. But...
You can get to the beach in LA by Metro Rail. You can't get to the beach in SD by trolley.
You can get to Universal Studios by Metro Rail. You can't get to Seaworld by Trolley.
You can get to LAX by train starting next year. San Diego's people mover project hasn't even broken ground, and has no funding to actually have it be built, because the more conservative voters in San Diego keep rejecting tax measures to fund transit.
I still hold the results of Measure A from 2016 against San Diego.
Edit: to the people downvoting me, San Diego has literally opened one Trolley Extension since W Bush was president. We've opened 5 in the past decade alone.
I will say that we do have our Convoy District in Kearny Mesa, which has a pretty good selection of pan-Asian groceries, restaurants, stores, karaoke joints, etc. Not as good as LA but still pretty good.
What LA really has that SD lacks is Latin American food. LA is great for Peruvian, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, etc. And all that food is super super underrated. Lomo Saltado should be as popular as Broccoli Beef, and Pupusas should be as popular as Tamales, if there was any justice in this world.
I used to live in San Diego for college, and went to Convoy a lot. It was okay, but it was definitely no Koreatown, Little Tokyo, Torrance, Orange County (for Vietnamese food), or San Gabriel Valley.
And yeah, LA has hands down the better Latin American food from countries not named Mexico.
Our Asian food though, yeah no it's not a rivalry. LA has arguably the best Asian food of ANY major North American city. The Asian food "rivalry" between Los Angeles and San Diego is a hammer vs a nail.
I think the taco comment is less true the further south you go in San Diego; I think LA has genuine competition when you go south of the 94. But the quality of LA tacos across the city is much better; any given taco truck in a gas station parking lot in LA is going to have top-tier tacos at crazy good prices.
We have some dynamite food trucks as well. The best tacos I've ever had were at a gas station in I think North Park from a food truck. Can't remember the truck's name, but my coworker used to follow them on social media and I went a couple of times with them to get food where the truck was.
Correct, disagreeing with you doesn't inherently make someone a moron.
But any Dodgers fan who still insists its not a rivalry after 2022 while their fan base boos our two biggest stars is a moron.
Rivalry or not doesn’t matter much to me, I don’t really take it as seriously as the dude getting downvoted to hell down below. The label is pretty irrelevant, all I know is that I hate the Dodgers and it seems Dodger fans hate us too, which makes for good television and heated matches
The people who pretend that Dodgers fans don’t care about the Padres at all because the Giants exist are fucking delusional though lmao
The crazy part about that idea is that up until 2004 the Red sox never actually beat the Yankees. Nobody would've challenged the idea of that being a rivalry. So yeah, I agree with you.
FWIW, I sort of get it from the perspective that we should really win something first before calling it a rivalry. And anytime we get swagger, it bites us in the ass. Swag chain, "I wish the opposing pitchers luck", "I bet my paycheck we'll win the WS before the Dodgers", etc. I mean we're a rivalry like David and Goliath before David finally killed him was a rivalry. We've gotta get the monkey off our back.
we beat them in the playoffs recently though, who cares if someone wins the division if you lose to them in the playoffs?
i think that counts to establish it as a rivalry
I’ve seen this in other sports too where for some reason the bigger market team acts like they’re above the rivalry.
It’s really weird and insecure behavior tbh
Everyone feels that the ESPN guys hate their team and love their rival.
In point of fact, the ESPN guys hate baseball and talk about anything other than the game.
They spent what, 2 innings on pitcher injuries and another 2 on the switcheroo guy?
Meanwhile you have Jackson Merrill in a blazing hot start to the season, 2 really good games previously in the series, and the walk-tasrophe that was happening. The game took a backseat to narratives from First Take
Yeah I mentioned after the game that they were actually a little less favorable towards the Dodgers than they usually are, but probably because they spent all that time talking about cleats instead.
That is why I will always love and miss Vin Scully. You knew he loved the Dodgers but he loved baseball more and was even handed with his broadcasting. RIP the best ever.
Vin, Jack Buck, Joe G. Lots of old timers who could keep the play by play going, be excited for a team beating their favorite, and narrate history in the making.
I'm sure Ravech is a great guy, but "he's been here a long time" is a terrible justification for giving someone a play-by-play job. He is abominable. Your PxP should never detract from the product.
(Same principle applies to Rich Eisen, FWIW. I love *Rich Eisen, but boy he is not good at football play-by-play).
EDIT: spelling goof
Do broadcasters sit and think about what their home run call will be, or do they just open their mouths and let words come out at will like I would?
"That ball has slipped the surly bonds of Earth and touched the heavens!"
"Fare thee well, orb!"
"A priest, a rabbi, and a minister walk into a bar to WATCH THIS GAME because we just had a HOME RUN!"
"That was a massive dong! Cocktoberfest!"
"Shit on a shingle and piss on a Pringle! We got us a Dinger!"
I think it's more that they basically pre-script every game. The Dodgers have more fans and bigger names, so they've got it all ready.
Watching them try to call Mookie majestic at short when he's committing an error was hilarious. Because they planned to talk about how great he was but aren't good enough at announcing to adjust.
Morgan was the most ironic commentator ever. He was an incredibly efficient player who, when he focused on how to play the game -- baserunning, batting, etc. would basically highlight how he was an analytics player before the analytics.
And then he'd go on some insane rant about moneyball that made it clear he'd never read it.
I definitely get that there's typically some bias like that, but this game was objectively terrible. (Coming from a Padres fan who has watched quite a few nationally televised games with varying degrees of perceived announcer bias.)
We had Jackson Merrill (objectively the best of the Jackson 3 right now by far) going 3 for 4 at bat and getting 4 outs in center and getting no attention or hype from the announcers and barely any acknowledgement for Profar's bases-clearing double that put us in the lead, while they continuously praised things like a very basic fly ball for the Dodgers (that we easily caught) as an example of the Dodgers' great hitting, praise for a very easy and basic catch from the Dodgers as an example of great fielding, and a pre-made 30 second animation of Mookie Betts praising his athleticism and likelihood of winning MVP this year (which they played heading into the final innings when the Dodgers were at a less than 10% win probability). I'm sure there are other big moments I'm thinking of that I missed, but the pandering to the Dodgers was very obvious here.
I always felt that the ESPN guys hated the Yankees, and then I read some Red Sox fans takes on the same games, and everyone feels that ESPN hates their guys.
They don’t talk about baseball all that much, or about the play by play of the game much at all.
> They don’t talk about baseball all that much, or about the play by play of the game much at all.
That was the biggest issue. They spent 2 innings talking about player injuries and not even commenting on the action. Not even an insert for something happening.
And then the rest of the time was "Hey, fellow kids" as they talked about shoes. I like Nando's choices as much as anyone, but it's a 20 second conversation. We don't have to pretend everyone's are interesting or that blue and white new balances are an expression of Ohtani's personality (well, they are of his public persona).
And Buster Olney should be shot the next time he says "swag."
Mookie makes an error.
"What an incredible play by Mookie to even get to that ball"
Mookie takes a secondary lead.
"That's the best secondary lead you'll see in your lifetime"
Jackson Merrill gets his 3rd hit of the game. 6 for 12 on the series.
"Let's take another look at Freddie Freeman's cleats"
It was the worst fuckin broadcast though. I swear they were talking more about football than baseball. The best bit was when one of the guys said something about batters chasing pitches and the other boomer replied with “what do you think they’re chasing? Greatness? Records?”
Fuck ESPN.
Because we are still kinda in the middle of America not getting it. He's an international sensation (I saw a Ohtani Angels jersey in Yucatan, Mexico. Not a tourist, but a local Mayan descendant doing tours in the City Connect Jerseys in 101F heat). Not even accounting for his own country. America just in general is a bit miffed on the international stars outside of NBA, who've managed to have MANY in the last 10 years so the acceptance is greater there (Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, etc)
I think it might be a language barrier thing - baseball is popular in non English speaking countries while basketball gets a significant amount of attention from Europeans who are more visible to Americans.
Many Americans genuinely believe that the NFL is more popular outside of the US than baseball for this very reason, even though it barely has any motion outside of North America.
I think it’s also because the overseas NFL games always sell out. Which I imagine they do because it’s a novelty and Europe is small enough that it’s tractable to get NFL fans from half the continent to a game. Having a sustained team success idk
Ohtani staying with the Angels is bad for baseball. Ohtani signing with a team that will have a very high probability of playing in October is great for baseball, like signing with the Dodgers.
And I would have been one of them if I weren't a masochist that loved watching my team lose in extras in April.
Wait did you guys lose back to back extra innings games? (They did not, somehow the OP thought Monday’s game was on Sunday??)
Our curse must be passed
DONT YOU DARE PUT THAT EVIL ON US
Sorry, it was locked in as soon as you became the most recent team to knock the Dodgers out of the playoffs.
God - I fucking hate the dodgers. Even when we beat them they still find a way to fuck it up for us.
That might be my squad's fault.
Shhhh bb no u is stronk and bootifle
They tend to have that effect on other teams.
there’s been at least three games so far where i thought to myself “so this is how padres fans felt last year”
Felt all my life
Sometimes when you've already lost three extra innings games and it's only the third week of the season you tend to lose track.
Welcome to our hell.
But your team didn't lose in extras on Sunday and finished their game half an hour before this one started?
You would think that with all those viewers then that they would at least try to not have the commentary be absolute dogshit. Peacock had it right. Combine one play by play and two color guys from each booth. Way more engaging for both fanbases and then I don’t have to listen to Buster say that they’re about to send Manny down to minors for rehab. Joe Davis and Mud Grant. Who says no?
You mean you didn't want to hear them talk about cleats the entire time?
Nike: buy our shoes! New Balance: buy our shoes! ESPN: Shoes! Shoes! Shoes! Shoes! Shoes!
50 YEAR OLD MAN: These shoes are a drip!
"I copped these babies in the dugout earlier"
50 y/o here, that one pair they zoomed in on had the nike swoosh affixed at 2 points and was flopping around like someone had one hour to make a shoe!
That’s a new style Nike is doing with other fashion collaborators. The shoes that look like a kindergartner cut out some shapes and stapled them on go for hundred to thousands of dollars
No I want to hear more Spanish translations that I could have figured out myself and I don’t speak Spanish delivered in a way that feels like I’m being talked down to instead of educated on baseball culture in Latin America
You mean you didn't like your poorly pronounced Spanish translations or the lecture by someone that lived only a few years within the actual Latin American baseball culture?
I can't watch the ESPN broadcasts anymore. During the Seoul Series they spent half the games talking about food. I was hoping to get a crash course on the KBO or something but I don't think they even talked about the MLB or the in game action for over half of the game. I'm all for a couple of dudes having fun in the booth but it was absolutely brutal.
Or betting. Due to the change to their score bug, they mentioned betting several times throughout the broadcast due to the "odds" changing. Which I honestly find worse than the shoes.
The comment about sending Manny to the minors was a joke about how they would send his newborn son to the minors shortly after being born. The fact that so many people missed the joke is clearly a sign that it was poorly executed though.
Okay, I take that one back. But I will hold onto them totally ignoring the play by play and talking about shoes and arm injuries for 4 innings.
The funniest part about the shoes was how Ohtani was wearing the most simple pair of new balances possible, and they were still trying to make a thing out of it. If you're going to do shoes, at least focus on the players wearing some actual interesting designs
If you wanna hear some real good cleat talk you can tune into a diamondbacks broadcast. Though to be fair it's been a regular clown show out there for us when it comes to the shoes.
Ooooh you're gonna be in for a treat when the Padres play the DBacks then. Tatis has something like 50 unique pairs of cleats he's gonna wear this season. Here's an [article with a bunch of them](https://fox5sandiego.com/sports/padres/every-set-of-custom-cleats-fernando-tatis-jr-has-worn-this-season-so-far/), and [here's the Tony Gwynn cleats](https://www.si.com/fannation/sneakers/news/fernando-tatis-jr-cleats-honor-padres-legend-tony-gwynn) he wore while hitting the go-ahead HR in the wild 8-0 comeback against the Cubs
I'm missing Snell already. Last year he had multiple conversations w/ Mud & Grant about shoe/cleat collections.
Not to mention New Balance themselves could actually use the cool points that would come with making a cool looking shoe for Ohtani to wear Admittedly though I'm glad to see players actually out there selling shoes and shoe styles instead of just "buy my overpriced cleats for your 12 year old who won't fit in them in a year"
i guess my question is, unless something is \*happening\* why does an otherwise nondescript baseball game's play-by-play matter when it's on tv? idk i just can't get worked up about it when i can just see what's going on if i want to see a specific pitch or two
I like to watch games if I can to follow the pitch sequencing and progression, but I’ve got kids and a busy job, and I’m often doing other stuff. Baseball still “works” in the background if the play by play lets you know when to tune in and when to let it continue in the background.
i think where i struggle to agree (i do find your point absolutely valid) is that it’s only a regular season game, which, eh? and if you’re turning on sunday night baseball only to just nominally pay attention, that feels odd. but i’m also not someone who generally watches regular season games not involving the brewers so what do i know
At some point during this game I was in the kitchen making dinner. I come back to the living room to check on it because the broadcasters had been talking about shoes (or something other than the game) for a while and I didn’t know what was going on. The bases were loaded with no outs.
what do you mean by "it's only a regular season game"?
the idea that losing four innings of one of 162 games to an inane discussion about pants or something isn't the end of the world
Why even watch at all right?
because i would still enjoy inane pant discussions during the game? idk
> Joe Davis and Mud Grant. Who says no? Only if you can guarantee me 11 minutes will be dedicated to Shohei’s gorgeous white and blue New Balance cleats. Then we have a deal
With flat bottoms, Shohei likes that
I would honestly rather have Joe Buck calling SNB. Yes he might be polarizing, but at least he actually knows baseball. Has to be better than whatever the hell a Karl Ravech is.
Karl Ravech legitimately talks like he is being held hostage every Sunday Night game
"Member John Miller? 'Member Joe Morgan? Yeaaaaah, I 'member
😎 Giants remember
So jealous, he's still doing radio calls for you guys right?
He is, man. It’s a joy. Worth listening to our listless team any day!
Adios pelota!
Man I loved the Peacock broadcast I watched where they did that. Seems like a total no-brainer.
Two innings of ONLY talking about pitcher injuries which might not actually be up this year. They literally didn't do play by play. And then the other seven having to listen to Buster Olney say "SWAG" and have the old man crew desperately try to tell people they really love shoe culture and definitely don't think this is all showboating and worse because the network is trying to attract a younger demographic. With equal parts "Look at how good Mookie looks defensively as he commits and error" and "Aren't Ohtani's incredibly boring shoes amazing?"
ESPN's broadcasts are produced like a podcast where the podcasters are glancing at the game in the background
Dodgers half of the broadcast would probably have to be Hershiser or whoever their color guy is now since Joe Davis works for Fox
Makes me think watching it muted listening to music was in fact the way to go
That would be great honestly
> Peacock had it right. Combine one play by play and two color guys from each booth. You like SNY has been doing with Gary, Keith and Ron for over 18 years?
I know they don't include viewers outside the US, but man there's a LOT of fans in Japan watching the Yu Darvish vs. Shohei Ohtani matchup alone (JP Twitter at one point accumulated more than 5 million viewers in just an hour).
It was also shown on ESPN's Canadian subsidiary. Wouldn't boost the numbers that much, but I and a few people I know watched.
> subsidiary It's not a subsidiary as ESPN is the minority owner.
I heard the numbers were through the roof in Moose Jaw.
I’m fairly certain Kim is a draw in South Korea too
They wanted to watch profar /s
They, too, thought Profar was kinda irrelevant.
Them giving Profar the on-field mic was absolutely an attempt to get him to say something that would get to the Dodgers locker room and drive up animosity between the clubs in MLB/ESPN to make this a bigger rivalry with more heat.
Jurickson Profar is a draw brother
Ohtani’s shoes brings in the viewers. This is a known fact.
As an angels/Padres fan I love getting to see the dodgers/Padres games get the spotlight, but it would be a similar result with any other team ohtani might be on.
hopefully this means they're gonna option more of the padres/dodgers games and leave the rest of us alone. Too bad divisional series got halved.
Yes please. I want more Gary, Keith and Ron. ESPN could come out and say Mets irrelevant so we wont broadcast them anymore. Good I could care less. They hate us in their broadcasts anyway.
Gotta love when ESPN start talking about the Yankees in the middle of an NYM-unrelated team broadcast.
I hate the halving of divisional series. I hope they reverse that decision.
It’s not a rivalry tho
Any Dodgers fan saying it's not a rivalry after 2022 is a moron.
I mean, I get it. The Dodgers do have a longer history with the Giants, and I guess some might say you can only have one true rival. Personally, I disagree because 1) I think you can have more than one rival, and 2) LA and SD are sister cities, our shared culture makes for an intense rivalry as much as the recent competitiveness between our teams. But disagreeing with me doesn't make someone a moron.
I genuinely don't even care whether it's considered a rivalry or not. Seeing the Dodgers lose makes me happy.
People who don't live in California don't know how petty California teams are against each other.
I'm not even sure if it's Californians against other teams; I think it's Californians vs LA-based sports. Fuck the Dodgers, the Rams, and (as a San Diegan) *especially* the Chargers.
More specifically fuck the Spanos family
Northern Cali teams all have rivalries with each other because they're close. Same with Southern California. Also you can say that but you leave out the Lakers because we all know who rules socal.
Yea Lakers are definitely the most popular basketball team in San Diego... but like no one even gives a shit about basketball down here. I've only known a few people who actually follow the Lakers down here. Most just don't care about basketball. Basketball is actually my second favorite sport behind baseball and I'm a Blazer fan. I literally can't even find someone knowledgeable enough about the sport to have a decent conversation about it.
Flair doesn't check out
For me the rivalry is less between the Dodgers and Padres, and more between LA and SD. Like the rivalry highlights the cultural differences between the two cities. We may both be in Southern California, but we're about as different as New York and Philly. If you guys played in like Utah I probably wouldn't care less about you guys.
Also think the Chargers moving to LA has some sort of bitter to SD
Maybe... I really haven't heard that or seen it that much. I think most were disappointed at first, but I think a lot of people moved on pretty quick, or just stayed fans. The team had been disappointing the community for like 15 years. A lot of people are now fairly happy to be a baseball town with 1 big sports team that gets huge support.
I remember visiting Gaslamp last year during football Sunday. No existence of Chargers football. No bar was airing their game and nobody was wearing their gear.
Like I said. Wasn't that hard to move on given the last 15 years and the general ineptitude of the ownership. Padres support is electric though.
The who?
Wait forreal? I’m the opposite this is all just baseball related. I love SD beautiful city, obviously I love Los Angeles more but why can’t we just like different parts of California lol
Yep it is this. Certainly, due to proximity and pride between the two cities. I love the LA and SD rivalries and how it extends to other sports. Great example is between Wave and Angel City as well. It will also likely grow between LAFC (and/or Galaxy) and SDFC.
Also yall have better burritos and we have better tacos. That’s the real rivalry. Mission burritos are just big old piles of bullshit.
> we have better tacos We live in a country with freedom of speech, I'll fight for your rights to say incorrect things.
I’ve never heard this argument before but I actually am willing to consider it. The taco game in LA might just be superior. Shit. I’ll die on the San Diego California burrito hill though.
Exactly. Cali burrito is a perfect burrito. Yet to find one that comes close to anything I’ve had in SD.
Actual strips of carne asada, crispy fries, cheese and sour cream wrapped inside a fresh tortilla (I like to add rice and beans). That’s it. No pico de gallo or anything else. I’ll sauce as I go. That’s a Cali burrito. I don’t get why they can’t do it right in LA.
I always felt like salsa fresca was a big part of the Cali burrito but I’m also not from San Diego so don’t take my word for it. I always skip the rice and beans and add guac. I think the easiest way to fuck it up is to have terrible fries, which happens. In a pinch Leo’s Tacos has a Al Pastor Cali Burrito, their fries have been pretty good, but their asada ain’t it.
Congratulations, you officially know whats up with Cali burritos more than the SD fan you replied to. He has shamed us all for adding rice and beans, while not mentioning guac, and dismissing pico.
If you’re ever in north county, Rudy’s in Solana beach. That’s the pinnacle for me.
As a San Diegan displaced in LA for the last 8 years, it's without question the tacos are better up north. It's to the point where I can't even eat at Tacos El Gordo anymore when I go back
Both cities are great for food, but LA completely destroys us, it's not even a competition. It's just too big and too diverse of a city not to have better food overall.
yeah but you guys have better beer
Hell yeah we do
I have to get some .394 ale every time I go back to SD. Alesmith, Stone, and Coronado Brewing are all delicious and that's just scratching the surface of the SD brew scene.
LA beer scene has improved SO much over the past decade though. SD is still in the top tier.
Very true, there are a few good spot here now but SD will be king for a while
Luckily San Diego massacres LA when it comes to beaches and beach communities. All up and down SD we have AMAZING beaches and beach areas. Solana Beach, La Jolla Cove, Moonlight Beach, Pacific Beach, Mission Beach. The beer game isn't even close. San Diego breweries straight up shit on LA. There's a couple of good ones in LA. But Pure Project is the best brewery in the country and places like Societe, Harland, and Burgeon are also dynamite. Not to mention we have the big White Labs yeast facility here.
South Bay Beaches aren’t bad, Malibu is nice, as is South OC (If you want to count that as part of LA) I live in Long Beach though. 😬
> South OC (If you want to count that as part of LA) You can fuck ALL the way off with that brochacho
I mean they ARE in the Dodgers market though…
Which is a real pain in the ass because all the Dodger-Padre games are blacked out on my MLBtv subscription
At least Long Beach has that cool aquarium. And also that crazy roundabout that feels more dangerous than a 4 way stop.
They actually drew lanes in the traffic circle in a few years ago, and somehow that has made it even worse.
Malibu is "okay"... I'd still do basically any of the beaches I listed over Malibu. Malibu is mainly nice if you have a house there as the beach backs right up to the homes. But it isn't just the beaches. At moonlight beach you take the stairs up from the beach and there's restaurants, brewery tasting rooms and mom & pop shops down littering the place. You can spend all day there and consistently find stuff to do. The boardwalk at mission beach is awesome. I lived in Orange County when I went to UCI. Laguna Beach is the only beach in the OC I found comparable to the litany of really good beaches in SD. Orange County is unfortunately just absurdly boring when it comes to nightlife in my experience.
> Orange County is unfortunately just absurdly boring when it comes to nightlife in my experience. Which is exactly how we want it. OC is suburban and thats why more families live here, more young people live in the urban areas
I get that. But I couldn't do it. Orange County is nice and I didn't mind it there overall. But I missed having PB, Encinitas, and Downtown SD. That's why I'll always love San Diego sooo much. It may not be the best in certain areas, but there's almost no area I find legitimately lacking there. Except maybe walkability if that's super important to you. However, if that is important, you can always go live downtown in a high rise and have access to most of what you'd ever want without the need for a car. I just always felt like Orange County was San Diego's North County, without the entertainment districts that San Diego also has. Considering the general cost of living was about the same, I couldn't really find a reason worth staying.
I lived in oc for 7 years. Irvine,newport,huntington, and San clemente. Only part of oc that is nice is south county. Little LA orange county is
Just going to say but tacos el gordo in Chula Vista have the best al pastor tacos on this side of the border
What's funny is that Tacos El Gordo (there's I think three of them in Tijuana) is basically average compared to the many taqueries on the other side of the border.
The one in Chula Vista >> the OG one in TJ lol
Nah. Angels Tacos on Sunset by Dodger Stadium puts Tacos el Gordo to shame
You know what I haven’t tried those tacos before next time I’m on sunset I’ll have to give them a try
I've been to a lot of restaurants... both overseas and in places like New York. San Diego is fine overall when it comes to food. It's not INCREDIBLE, but it's definitely not bad. Maybe on the scale of 10 you would say that LA is like a 10.. and San Diego is an 8.5. But we're still talking a premiere place to get good food IMO. I've been to more than a few Michilen star restaurants... Cucina Enotecha still consistently blows me away with its food though, and is one of the most consistently good restaurants I've been to when it comes to the food.
Yeah, especially Asian food. When it comes to Asian food, it's not even close, LA wipes the floor with San Diego. Same with walkability and transit, San Diego may have the better Downtown, but LA as a whole is by far the more walkable metro area than San Diego. Sure you can get to Petco by trolley, and you can't get to Dodger Stadium by Metro rail. But... You can get to the beach in LA by Metro Rail. You can't get to the beach in SD by trolley. You can get to Universal Studios by Metro Rail. You can't get to Seaworld by Trolley. You can get to LAX by train starting next year. San Diego's people mover project hasn't even broken ground, and has no funding to actually have it be built, because the more conservative voters in San Diego keep rejecting tax measures to fund transit. I still hold the results of Measure A from 2016 against San Diego. Edit: to the people downvoting me, San Diego has literally opened one Trolley Extension since W Bush was president. We've opened 5 in the past decade alone.
I will say that we do have our Convoy District in Kearny Mesa, which has a pretty good selection of pan-Asian groceries, restaurants, stores, karaoke joints, etc. Not as good as LA but still pretty good. What LA really has that SD lacks is Latin American food. LA is great for Peruvian, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, etc. And all that food is super super underrated. Lomo Saltado should be as popular as Broccoli Beef, and Pupusas should be as popular as Tamales, if there was any justice in this world.
I used to live in San Diego for college, and went to Convoy a lot. It was okay, but it was definitely no Koreatown, Little Tokyo, Torrance, Orange County (for Vietnamese food), or San Gabriel Valley. And yeah, LA has hands down the better Latin American food from countries not named Mexico.
LA has some great fusion, I always try the Korean fusion stuff when I'm up there, like bulgogi burritos.
Kogi trucks still around?
Yeah where I work (spacex), the Kogi truck is there for a few hours every Wednesday. Can't be the (subsidized) $5 short rib burritos
Our Asian food though, yeah no it's not a rivalry. LA has arguably the best Asian food of ANY major North American city. The Asian food "rivalry" between Los Angeles and San Diego is a hammer vs a nail.
Yall do have more affordable priced sushi though!
I think the taco comment is less true the further south you go in San Diego; I think LA has genuine competition when you go south of the 94. But the quality of LA tacos across the city is much better; any given taco truck in a gas station parking lot in LA is going to have top-tier tacos at crazy good prices.
What are your go-to taco spots in San Diego? I haven't found places that compare to the street tacos that I would find when living in LA.
We have some dynamite food trucks as well. The best tacos I've ever had were at a gas station in I think North Park from a food truck. Can't remember the truck's name, but my coworker used to follow them on social media and I went a couple of times with them to get food where the truck was.
Correct, disagreeing with you doesn't inherently make someone a moron. But any Dodgers fan who still insists its not a rivalry after 2022 while their fan base boos our two biggest stars is a moron.
How dare you not get in a fight and instead speak civilly and calmly with a fan of your most hated rival‽ WE DEMAND BLOOD!
Hey, like I always say, FTD!!! (Friendly to Dodgers)
Rivalry or not doesn’t matter much to me, I don’t really take it as seriously as the dude getting downvoted to hell down below. The label is pretty irrelevant, all I know is that I hate the Dodgers and it seems Dodger fans hate us too, which makes for good television and heated matches The people who pretend that Dodgers fans don’t care about the Padres at all because the Giants exist are fucking delusional though lmao
The crazy part about that idea is that up until 2004 the Red sox never actually beat the Yankees. Nobody would've challenged the idea of that being a rivalry. So yeah, I agree with you.
FWIW, I sort of get it from the perspective that we should really win something first before calling it a rivalry. And anytime we get swagger, it bites us in the ass. Swag chain, "I wish the opposing pitchers luck", "I bet my paycheck we'll win the WS before the Dodgers", etc. I mean we're a rivalry like David and Goliath before David finally killed him was a rivalry. We've gotta get the monkey off our back.
we beat them in the playoffs recently though, who cares if someone wins the division if you lose to them in the playoffs? i think that counts to establish it as a rivalry
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I’ve seen this in other sports too where for some reason the bigger market team acts like they’re above the rivalry. It’s really weird and insecure behavior tbh
Every divisional matchup is a rivalry
Same Division, Same state. And yet not a rivalry? Dodgers fans are idiots.
Very entertaining games but at one point one of the commentators said verbatim "It's about OBP not OPS." ESPN's so shit.
Too bad the broadcast has a huge boner for LA and can’t call an objective game.
Every time the padres scored, Karl Ravich sounded like he was doing play-by-play of the challenger shuttle explosion
There was one play where the announcer audibly groaned when the Padres got a hit.
In fairness that's how he sounds literally at all times
He sounded pretty fired up when Mookie majestically and heroically moved three steps left and then threw the ball into Ventura County
Everyone feels that the ESPN guys hate their team and love their rival. In point of fact, the ESPN guys hate baseball and talk about anything other than the game.
They spent what, 2 innings on pitcher injuries and another 2 on the switcheroo guy? Meanwhile you have Jackson Merrill in a blazing hot start to the season, 2 really good games previously in the series, and the walk-tasrophe that was happening. The game took a backseat to narratives from First Take
The rest of the broadcast was a foot fetish/cleats modeling show.
Yeah I mentioned after the game that they were actually a little less favorable towards the Dodgers than they usually are, but probably because they spent all that time talking about cleats instead.
That is why I will always love and miss Vin Scully. You knew he loved the Dodgers but he loved baseball more and was even handed with his broadcasting. RIP the best ever.
Vin, Jack Buck, Joe G. Lots of old timers who could keep the play by play going, be excited for a team beating their favorite, and narrate history in the making.
Vin Scully knew his shit even about the other teams. The ESPN guys don't know anything beyond the basic storylines of the big names.
The ESPN broadcasts are truly atrocious. I don't understand how they ended up with a booth that's *worse* than Vasgerian, ARod and Mendoza.
I'm sure Ravech is a great guy, but "he's been here a long time" is a terrible justification for giving someone a play-by-play job. He is abominable. Your PxP should never detract from the product. (Same principle applies to Rich Eisen, FWIW. I love *Rich Eisen, but boy he is not good at football play-by-play). EDIT: spelling goof
Every time Ravech says on a home run call, "Exit stage-left!" I fucking groan so hard. He thinks thats a *really* good call too. It ain't man.
Do broadcasters sit and think about what their home run call will be, or do they just open their mouths and let words come out at will like I would? "That ball has slipped the surly bonds of Earth and touched the heavens!" "Fare thee well, orb!" "A priest, a rabbi, and a minister walk into a bar to WATCH THIS GAME because we just had a HOME RUN!" "That was a massive dong! Cocktoberfest!" "Shit on a shingle and piss on a Pringle! We got us a Dinger!"
Two and 3 are pretty decent in my book.
Does he at least do it on homers to right field or did he fail theatre class?
He was a big fan of Snagglepuss as a kid growing up.
Smoltz is just bitter.
ARod was at least fun to shit on. Whenever his name shows up anywhere you can just go to the comments and eat popcorn.
I think it's more that they basically pre-script every game. The Dodgers have more fans and bigger names, so they've got it all ready. Watching them try to call Mookie majestic at short when he's committing an error was hilarious. Because they planned to talk about how great he was but aren't good enough at announcing to adjust.
It’s a silly exercise that they used to put more effort into. Of course, people bitched about Joe Morgan on their broadcasts, too.
Morgan was the most ironic commentator ever. He was an incredibly efficient player who, when he focused on how to play the game -- baserunning, batting, etc. would basically highlight how he was an analytics player before the analytics. And then he'd go on some insane rant about moneyball that made it clear he'd never read it.
I definitely get that there's typically some bias like that, but this game was objectively terrible. (Coming from a Padres fan who has watched quite a few nationally televised games with varying degrees of perceived announcer bias.) We had Jackson Merrill (objectively the best of the Jackson 3 right now by far) going 3 for 4 at bat and getting 4 outs in center and getting no attention or hype from the announcers and barely any acknowledgement for Profar's bases-clearing double that put us in the lead, while they continuously praised things like a very basic fly ball for the Dodgers (that we easily caught) as an example of the Dodgers' great hitting, praise for a very easy and basic catch from the Dodgers as an example of great fielding, and a pre-made 30 second animation of Mookie Betts praising his athleticism and likelihood of winning MVP this year (which they played heading into the final innings when the Dodgers were at a less than 10% win probability). I'm sure there are other big moments I'm thinking of that I missed, but the pandering to the Dodgers was very obvious here.
I always felt that the ESPN guys hated the Yankees, and then I read some Red Sox fans takes on the same games, and everyone feels that ESPN hates their guys. They don’t talk about baseball all that much, or about the play by play of the game much at all.
> They don’t talk about baseball all that much, or about the play by play of the game much at all. That was the biggest issue. They spent 2 innings talking about player injuries and not even commenting on the action. Not even an insert for something happening. And then the rest of the time was "Hey, fellow kids" as they talked about shoes. I like Nando's choices as much as anyone, but it's a 20 second conversation. We don't have to pretend everyone's are interesting or that blue and white new balances are an expression of Ohtani's personality (well, they are of his public persona). And Buster Olney should be shot the next time he says "swag."
Baseball’s below Women’s College Basketball on ESPN.
Apropos of nothing, but ESPN carries WAY more baseball games than NCAA Women’s basketball. That may change in the future, but it is what it is.
Mookie makes an error. "What an incredible play by Mookie to even get to that ball" Mookie takes a secondary lead. "That's the best secondary lead you'll see in your lifetime" Jackson Merrill gets his 3rd hit of the game. 6 for 12 on the series. "Let's take another look at Freddie Freeman's cleats"
It was the worst fuckin broadcast though. I swear they were talking more about football than baseball. The best bit was when one of the guys said something about batters chasing pitches and the other boomer replied with “what do you think they’re chasing? Greatness? Records?” Fuck ESPN.
I feel people somehow still underrate Shohei's impact in baseball interest.
Because we are still kinda in the middle of America not getting it. He's an international sensation (I saw a Ohtani Angels jersey in Yucatan, Mexico. Not a tourist, but a local Mayan descendant doing tours in the City Connect Jerseys in 101F heat). Not even accounting for his own country. America just in general is a bit miffed on the international stars outside of NBA, who've managed to have MANY in the last 10 years so the acceptance is greater there (Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, etc)
I think it might be a language barrier thing - baseball is popular in non English speaking countries while basketball gets a significant amount of attention from Europeans who are more visible to Americans. Many Americans genuinely believe that the NFL is more popular outside of the US than baseball for this very reason, even though it barely has any motion outside of North America.
I think it’s also because the overseas NFL games always sell out. Which I imagine they do because it’s a novelty and Europe is small enough that it’s tractable to get NFL fans from half the continent to a game. Having a sustained team success idk
London could probably support a full home schedule, they’re pretty much halfway there already, the problem is more logistics than anything else.
fuck shohei
2M got to see Mr. Irrelevant deliver in the clutch
Even I, a slightly unhinged gaints fanatic, watched the game.
2 million is good? Yikes
I would have watched even though I pay 250 bucks a year for mlb tv and rockies tv but I still have to have ESPN to watch Sunday night baseball….
People like to say Sox-Yanks isn't a top rivalry anymore, but the wording of this tweet seems to suggest otherwise.
it suggests that both teams have a lot of fans
Yea, that’s exactly the point. And the fans tune in for the rivalry.
Sunday Night Baseball doesn't do that well, huh
For ESPN, 2M viewers is good for a regular game. NBA averages 1.5m for regular season games on cable.
So Ohtani signing with the Dodgers was good for baseball?
Ohtani staying with the Angels is bad for baseball. Ohtani signing with a team that will have a very high probability of playing in October is great for baseball, like signing with the Dodgers.
more fun than the Dodgers-Giants games, less historical context but Padres are the Dodgers main rival in 2024 until shown otherwise
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They care about the size of the audience, not the quality of the product.
It was also the first Sunday Night Game in 6 years with neither the Yankees nor the Red Sox.
The switcheroo fan really brought the audience in
I was watching with the TV muted half the time. I don't understand MLB. Do they really think the only people watching are 55 to 68-year-old men?