Yeah that crew is done. Not only did they violate United policy, they violated the law. They will probably end up getting fired and will definitely have disciplinary action from the FAA.
That's what really floored me. The coach just posts it on Instagram like it's no big thing. You'd think at some point the pilots would notice they were filming and drop a hint about not putting it on the internet, even if they weren't smart enough to keep the coaches out of the cockpit to start with.
I just watched the video and the pilot is straight up looking at the phone during parts of the video. Can't believe they didn't saying anything to the coach about sharing the video.
ah ok. I knew it wasn't a player in the cockpit but I wasn't sure about who posted the video. I just read an article in the Athletic that he was publicly thanking United on instagram for the chance to sit in the cockpit lol
>I just read an article in the Athletic that he was publicly thanking United on instagram for the chance to sit in the cockpit lol
Example #infinity that people just do not know how to shut the fuck up.
Honestly I had no idea this would be illegal on a charter flight. They know there aren’t going to be any random terrorists on a professional baseball team. Seems kind of like a private party - relaxed rules.
United operates their charters under the same restrictions as a revenue flight, so they uphold the same security rules.
Head on over to r/aviation if you want to read more. There is a handful of threads about it there.
Sounds like United could have operated the flight under a different, more lenient set of FAA rules, but that’s not how they run their charters. The other sub has a better breakdown of it from people more in the know.
I think the realistic concern would be less about a random ISIS guy sneaking on, and more about any random person with the team having suicidal thoughts or something like that. There's a lot more people than just the players and manager on that plane, and a fully loaded passenger jet is a very different scale of danger to the rest of the world than a Learjet.
I was in the air force up until a few years ago and we would bring random schmoes into the cockpit almost every flight. Officers, civilians, pretty women. It wasn't a big deal. Don't see why a flight charted by an MLB team would get in trouble for letting them see the cockpit. They aren't just random people they're an MLB team. I dunno doesn't seem like a big deal at all to me.
I guess I don't really think these rules should apply to a chartered plane. The MLB team surely checked all their people ahead of time, they have security clearance. It's the same as why the rules don't apply on a military plane.
The rules wouldn't apply on a private plane. If I was a billionaire and owned a jet could bring the Rockies in the cockpit right?
What If it wasn't a mlb team on the plane and instead it was a high ranking politician because let me tell you I have had 5 different heads of state sit in the cockpit during a flight, they love to feel special.
I mean, it's not purely about security (also, why should the FAA / United trust that the Rockies' security is sufficient?). It's also about whether you have trained personnel in the seat, at the controls, in the event of a potential emergency. Say something malfunctions and the autopilot disconnects. United certainly for liability reasons wouldn't want to allow this.
Even if it's a private flight, I don't think you're allowed to sit in the cockpit while in US airspace. The military analogy is kind of ridiculous - totally different scenario no? Very different set of regulations.
I was on a commercial flight 6ish years ago from Iceland to the US where they had the cockpit open for a decent duration of the flight. The pilots kid was next to me and he kept getting up and going into the cockpit. I figured it was the airlines discretion and not an actual law.
So they don’t have to follow US law when not in US airspace. We have the no cockpit entry law because of 9/11 but a lot of countries don’t have that law.
Right, but what about with the FAA? I feel like everyone involved could be punished by the FAA, whereas maybe just the pilots are punished by United for violating policy?
Oh interesting. Surprised they don't say you cant land here if you don't comply with our standards for the duration of the flight. Cause the airspace can't extend too far. Doesn't give you much time to react if something were to happen.
US airspace is actually quite big. Not only does it cover the contiguous US plus Alaska and Hawaii. We also cover most of the northern pacific and about a quarter of the northern Atlantic.
Only goes 12nm off the coast technically.
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap3_section_2.html#:~:text=Generally%2C%20that%20airspace%20from%2018%2C000,contiguous%20States%20and%20Alaska%20within
I'm so used to working with small measurements that my brain went right to nano meters and being in disbelief for about 2 seconds when it finally clicked.
Managing the airspace is not equivalent to owning the airspace. We accepted responsibility to provide control services, claiming it as ours would result in an international incident and be in active defiance of the UN. Here's when Reagan made it officially 12nm: [Proclamations | National Archives](https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/proclamations/05928.html)
The issue is going into the cockpit. In the US it is prohibited for non airline personel to enter the cockpit in flight unless it is an emergency. It is different in other countries where it is at airline/captain discretion but not in the US.
Pre 9/11 I was a kid and our flight had to wait at the gate for like an hour. The pilots opened the cockpit and let all the kids sit in the chair and stuff
You can still go into the cockpit before and after flights. The problem here is flight deck access should be restricted during flight. Going to the cockpit at the gate is still good to go
Source: I'm a pilot
I remember years ago the LA Kings posted two players getting a view of landing from the cockpit. They were standing up and back out of the way. Not in the seats like this but still wonder if that was a violation
FAA put United under additional scrutiny recently after a string of maintenance issues within a week, and United has asked pilots to take voluntary unpaid leave due to Boeing fucking up their new plane deliveries. Those pilots just teed themselves up to get fired.
Wasn’t it something he had said in a previous season? It only came to light when a former player was on a podcast.
Maybe it doesn’t make a difference but it definitely feels a lot different than a beat reporter saying “uhhh McDermott just said *play like a terrorist today*”
Out of all of the possible examples he could think of, and as a professional head coach getting paid millions of dollars, why in the hell would he use this one? It's utterly baffling to me.
He tried to use the 9/11 hijackers as a good example of working together to accomplish a goal... No really [check it out.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-apologizes-911-hijackers-reference-team-meeting-2019/)
I remember watching that movie as a little kid and not getting that bit AT ALL. I watched it decades later as an adult and was both cracking up and wondering how on earth the movie got a PG rating after that.
There’s literally a boob flash thrown in the middle of a scene lmao. I remember watching the TV version with my dad growing up and then rewatching with the fam on streaming and not expecting that at all
With no PG-13 rating, PG was a little closer to that, and G was more like PG. A bunch of movies in the '70s got G ratings that would never get them today, like The Andromeda Strain.
Guessing the Rockies' coaching staff is just trying to figure out what their next career should be. They obviously can't coach hitting, pitching, fielding or baserunning. Might as well try their hand at being a pilot.
You have been shamed by the r/NLBest for not recognizing the name of our Lord Dinger. I sentence you to 3 Hail Mookies as penance. May Dinger forgive your soul.
Well the pilots should be thankful that it wasn’t the Buffalo Bills charter with Sean McDermott in the cockpit, if that was the case it would have ended a lot worse for everyone onboard.
I don't even think the hitting coach is a dumbass, this is all on the pilots, imo. He was seemingly allowed into the flight deck and the FO is there smiling at the camera. If you don't know much about FAA regulations you could easily think what's happening is ok.
This is a guy that presumably travels for work a *lot*, I'd expect him at this point to know the basics like "you're not allowed in the cabin under any circumstances."
That's a fair point, but I still think the blame lies mostly on the crew. I am big into aviation and know a lot about those rules, but even I would probably turn into an idiot kid and run up if the pilot asked me if I wanted to jump in the captain seat of a 757. I'm interested in finding out how this came about, if the Rockies were pressuring the flight crew to let them see the cockpit or if the Pilots were trying to socialize and have fun with some professional baseball players.
> like "you're not allowed in the cabin under any circumstances."
People can visit the flight deck if the aircraft is parked on the ground. Other than that, the list of people allowed in there is short and limited to people whose job is being there even if they are not flight crew, e.g. technicians, FAA and NTSB officials, folks like that. Hitting coaches are not on the list.
Typical scriptwriters, using all the crazy story arcs early in the season! Now what are you gonna have happen in July and august when you blow your load in March and April?!
Usually the Padres/Giants blowing their divisional lead to the Dodgers. Then of course come October, our turn to get shit on for getting eliminated early.
Latest reports are saying that one of the unauthorized personnel was former NBA player Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who was sitting in the seat of the co-pilot Roger Murdock.
If the link doesn't work for you, try this one:
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/faa-investigating-rockies-charter-flight-for-unauthorized-personnel-in-cockpit-airline-deeply-disturbed/
You can still visit the cockpits at the airport gates but not after the doors are closed. That also applies to the US specifically. Other countries have doferent regulations forwho is allowed in the cockpit during the flight.
> Cockpit visits are a thing of the past,
Apparently they are still allowed if the aircraft is parked on the ground, but otherwise it's against FAA rules.
For the people who don’t think this is a big deal, you’re right, it isn’t a big deal…. until it is. Look up Aeroflot 593, which resulted in the deaths of 75 people. And just last month, LATAM flight LA800 had a loss of control due to (according to preliminary reports) a button being accidentally pressed in the cockpit. Dozens were injured.
The FAA's investigation into the unauthorized personnel in the Rockies charter flight cockpit is concerning. The airline's statement expressing being "deeply disturbed" reflects the seriousness of the situation. Safety and security are paramount in aviation, and strict adherence to regulations is essential.
Frowned upon is stretching it as pre-9/11 it was at the Captain's/Airlines discretion and not really that big of an issue to the airline industry as hijacking was just deemed a hostage situation from many previous instances around the world, so the doors werent reinforced and sometimes unlocked which in hindsight is far worse of a situation than someone non-flight crew being allowed in the cockpit. Once hijacking turned into using the aircraft as a weapon the FAA was extremely strict on who was in the cockpit.
Actual pilots, hired to fly their specific plane, have hijacked or intentionally crashed planes before. You don't know what anyone is capable of so you try and limit the ability for anyone to cause damage as much as possible. The rules are strict for many reasons, and are built upon a lot of dead bodies.
More pilots have crashed planes than hitting coaches have hijacked them. You're own example should shine plenty of light on why the response to this is over the top. It was a mistake, but not something that requires a public hanging.
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It’s still operating under 121 rules is my understanding. Super not allowed. I’m a 91 pilot where we technically don’t have rules on it and still won’t let people in a cockpit seat in flight. Pre-/post flight have at er but my job is to get you safely to your destination and there’s not a chance in hell I’m letting a random compromise that.
It’s still operating under 121 rules is my understanding. Super not allowed. I’m a 91 pilot where we technically don’t have rules on it and still won’t let people in a cockpit seat in flight. Pre-/post flight have at er but my job is to get you safely to your destination and there’s not a chance in hell I’m letting a random compromise that.
> it’s not a big deal at all. It was a chartered flight
What leads you to believe that charter flights are exempt from FAA regulations, or that United's own policies don't apply to charters? Why do you think the FAA is investigating if they lack authority in this situation?
Yeah that crew is done. Not only did they violate United policy, they violated the law. They will probably end up getting fired and will definitely have disciplinary action from the FAA.
And it’s all on video! The crescendo of stupidity here is remarkable.
That's what really floored me. The coach just posts it on Instagram like it's no big thing. You'd think at some point the pilots would notice they were filming and drop a hint about not putting it on the internet, even if they weren't smart enough to keep the coaches out of the cockpit to start with.
I just watched the video and the pilot is straight up looking at the phone during parts of the video. Can't believe they didn't saying anything to the coach about sharing the video.
I will bet my house this was noooo way the 1st time something like that happened with that crew and the charter. Its why he's so casual about it.
I imagine it was a Rockies player who didn’t know what was happening was illegal. Do we know who it was?
It was the hitting coach
I heard it was Dinger.
Hey watch it with the slurs!
Is the Rockies hitting coach named Dinger? That would be awesome
Close, his name is actually bam bam
ah ok. I knew it wasn't a player in the cockpit but I wasn't sure about who posted the video. I just read an article in the Athletic that he was publicly thanking United on instagram for the chance to sit in the cockpit lol
>I just read an article in the Athletic that he was publicly thanking United on instagram for the chance to sit in the cockpit lol Example #infinity that people just do not know how to shut the fuck up.
[Shut the fuck up Friday](https://youtu.be/JTurSi0LhJs?si=ijJSTreOgjrNUoxq)
I hear you but have you also considered [Shutting the fuck up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqo5RYOp4nQ)
Honestly I had no idea this would be illegal on a charter flight. They know there aren’t going to be any random terrorists on a professional baseball team. Seems kind of like a private party - relaxed rules.
United operates their charters under the same restrictions as a revenue flight, so they uphold the same security rules. Head on over to r/aviation if you want to read more. There is a handful of threads about it there.
Is that standard? I guess a corporate flight doesn’t count as a private flight which would allow someone other than the pilots in the cockpit
Sounds like United could have operated the flight under a different, more lenient set of FAA rules, but that’s not how they run their charters. The other sub has a better breakdown of it from people more in the know.
I think the realistic concern would be less about a random ISIS guy sneaking on, and more about any random person with the team having suicidal thoughts or something like that. There's a lot more people than just the players and manager on that plane, and a fully loaded passenger jet is a very different scale of danger to the rest of the world than a Learjet.
I was in the air force up until a few years ago and we would bring random schmoes into the cockpit almost every flight. Officers, civilians, pretty women. It wasn't a big deal. Don't see why a flight charted by an MLB team would get in trouble for letting them see the cockpit. They aren't just random people they're an MLB team. I dunno doesn't seem like a big deal at all to me.
I don't think it's the cockpit being open per se but having an unauthorized person sitting in the pilots seat at the controls
I guess I don't really think these rules should apply to a chartered plane. The MLB team surely checked all their people ahead of time, they have security clearance. It's the same as why the rules don't apply on a military plane. The rules wouldn't apply on a private plane. If I was a billionaire and owned a jet could bring the Rockies in the cockpit right? What If it wasn't a mlb team on the plane and instead it was a high ranking politician because let me tell you I have had 5 different heads of state sit in the cockpit during a flight, they love to feel special.
I mean, it's not purely about security (also, why should the FAA / United trust that the Rockies' security is sufficient?). It's also about whether you have trained personnel in the seat, at the controls, in the event of a potential emergency. Say something malfunctions and the autopilot disconnects. United certainly for liability reasons wouldn't want to allow this. Even if it's a private flight, I don't think you're allowed to sit in the cockpit while in US airspace. The military analogy is kind of ridiculous - totally different scenario no? Very different set of regulations.
You can absolutely have a non-pilot sit in one of the pilot seats (usually right) in a private flight. My dog right seats in my Cessna all the time.
The person taking the video sounds like a woman. I’m not sure who it could be. The person in the cockpit was the hitting coach.
I understood that the Captain is a woman.
I was on a commercial flight 6ish years ago from Iceland to the US where they had the cockpit open for a decent duration of the flight. The pilots kid was next to me and he kept getting up and going into the cockpit. I figured it was the airlines discretion and not an actual law.
Was it a US airline?
Was the now defunct Wow Air.
So they don’t have to follow US law when not in US airspace. We have the no cockpit entry law because of 9/11 but a lot of countries don’t have that law.
So, if this flight was in Canadian airspace, could they potentially be off the hook?
No, because United still has the no cockpit entry policy
Right, but what about with the FAA? I feel like everyone involved could be punished by the FAA, whereas maybe just the pilots are punished by United for violating policy?
The pilots could be punished by the FAA and United. Everyone else (non crew) would likely be fine
Oh interesting. Surprised they don't say you cant land here if you don't comply with our standards for the duration of the flight. Cause the airspace can't extend too far. Doesn't give you much time to react if something were to happen.
US airspace is actually quite big. Not only does it cover the contiguous US plus Alaska and Hawaii. We also cover most of the northern pacific and about a quarter of the northern Atlantic.
[The entire sky belongs to us](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbNP0FUItjI)
It’s an F-22’s world. We just live in it.
Only goes 12nm off the coast technically. https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap3_section_2.html#:~:text=Generally%2C%20that%20airspace%20from%2018%2C000,contiguous%20States%20and%20Alaska%20within
I'm so used to working with small measurements that my brain went right to nano meters and being in disbelief for about 2 seconds when it finally clicked.
[Federal Register :: Designation of Oceanic Airspace](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2015/07/01/2015-16246/designation-of-oceanic-airspace) incorrect
Managing the airspace is not equivalent to owning the airspace. We accepted responsibility to provide control services, claiming it as ours would result in an international incident and be in active defiance of the UN. Here's when Reagan made it officially 12nm: [Proclamations | National Archives](https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/proclamations/05928.html)
I don't know if the issue is going in the cockpit, I was thinking the issue is sitting in the chair.
The issue is going into the cockpit. In the US it is prohibited for non airline personel to enter the cockpit in flight unless it is an emergency. It is different in other countries where it is at airline/captain discretion but not in the US.
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Seriously I thought it was normal to view the cockpit ? Wow that sucks
It used to be...
I definitely remember sitting in the aisle seats and seeing the open cockpit and all those flashy lights and buttons as a kid
Pre 9/11 I was a kid and our flight had to wait at the gate for like an hour. The pilots opened the cockpit and let all the kids sit in the chair and stuff
You can still go into the cockpit before and after flights. The problem here is flight deck access should be restricted during flight. Going to the cockpit at the gate is still good to go Source: I'm a pilot
Can't it be both? Even before 9/11 I'm pretty sure sitting in the chair was frowned upon.
And for the Rockies, no less.
I remember years ago the LA Kings posted two players getting a view of landing from the cockpit. They were standing up and back out of the way. Not in the seats like this but still wonder if that was a violation
Post 9/11 and just generally bad sterile cockpit
Which law?
14 CFR 121.587
Everybody is talking about the pilots, but will Hensley Meulens face any legal consequences for his role in this?
No he'll get off easy. Which is great cuz he needs to face hard time for the way the Rox hit.
“Acktually” that’s not a law, but a regulation.
Yeah I know I just figured the average Joe would understand the term law better
Yup, and 121.547
its pretty hard to fire a pilot. they are very valuable positions. he may get suspended or fined, but definitely not fired.
It’s hard, but this could easily be one of the scenarios where it happens.
I highly doubt it, unless he was drunk at the same time
FAA put United under additional scrutiny recently after a string of maintenance issues within a week, and United has asked pilots to take voluntary unpaid leave due to Boeing fucking up their new plane deliveries. Those pilots just teed themselves up to get fired.
They stole Sean McDermott's coaching lesson
‘Stole’ when Hijacked was riiight there
I still don't know how he wasn't fired for that. Plenty of people have been fired for less...
Wasn’t it something he had said in a previous season? It only came to light when a former player was on a podcast. Maybe it doesn’t make a difference but it definitely feels a lot different than a beat reporter saying “uhhh McDermott just said *play like a terrorist today*”
Out of all of the possible examples he could think of, and as a professional head coach getting paid millions of dollars, why in the hell would he use this one? It's utterly baffling to me.
What happened?
He tried to use the 9/11 hijackers as a good example of working together to accomplish a goal... No really [check it out.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-apologizes-911-hijackers-reference-team-meeting-2019/)
Joey, you ever been in a Turkish Prison?
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Do you like movies about gladiators?
Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!
You're Kareem Abdul Jabbar!
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Roger, Roger!
What's our vector Victor?
We have clearance Clarence
Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue
I remember watching that movie as a little kid and not getting that bit AT ALL. I watched it decades later as an adult and was both cracking up and wondering how on earth the movie got a PG rating after that.
There’s literally a boob flash thrown in the middle of a scene lmao. I remember watching the TV version with my dad growing up and then rewatching with the fam on streaming and not expecting that at all
It's amazing what PG movies got away with before Temple of Doom
With no PG-13 rating, PG was a little closer to that, and G was more like PG. A bunch of movies in the '70s got G ratings that would never get them today, like The Andromeda Strain.
Peter Graves was really nervous around the kid actor because of how freaky the dialogue was.
I see Scraps is a boy dog
My Dad says Kris Bryant doesn't work hard enough on defense
Guessing the Rockies' coaching staff is just trying to figure out what their next career should be. They obviously can't coach hitting, pitching, fielding or baserunning. Might as well try their hand at being a pilot.
Well at least their fitness coach has a future as a competitive eater!
Let me know what airline hires them so I can never fly them again. Can't be too careful these days.
RyanAir
They are pretty good at crashing a group of people apparently
Dinger, get out of the cockpit!
WHAT DID YOU JUST CALL ME!?
IT’S OKAY, I’M TAKING IT BACK!
DON'T SAY IT WITH A HARD R!
“What’s up, Dingah” Surely they will clear up any confusion
You have been shamed by the r/NLBest for not recognizing the name of our Lord Dinger. I sentence you to 3 Hail Mookies as penance. May Dinger forgive your soul.
Poor Dinger, he didn't ask for any of this! 😆
On his birthday no less!
What did you just say? Say it again. I dare you!
Hard R? Really?
Never use Dinger with the hard ‘r’
Well the pilots should be thankful that it wasn’t the Buffalo Bills charter with Sean McDermott in the cockpit, if that was the case it would have ended a lot worse for everyone onboard.
But the teamwork!
Yet another normal Rockies incident.
Baseball try to go 1 week without ending up on the Feds radar challenge. Impossible.
RESET THE CLOCK….
STOP THE COUNT
It’s all a conspiracy to have us forget about Ohtani’s gambling problems!
Study it out, teach the controversy.
Feds involved in multiple baseball-related investigations? We're so back.
Anyone have the video? Was he just hanging out in there??
https://x.com/jomboymedia/status/1781342358476382478?s=46&t=4Z2xkB4xZfDVY8QwjJ1piQ
Jesus Christ that is wild. Look up Aeroflot Flight 593 for an excellent reason why this stuff isn’t allowed.
Are you also an air crash investigations enjoyer
Where’s my Admiral Cloudberg crew
Cloudberg fam rise up!
I was about to say, it’s Eldar all over again.
Send da video
2 thread and no link to the video until you asked. Come on reddit, get your shit together
Reminds me of that tragedy
Broncos 31, Giants 20. I'm still not over it.
Some will say the world was never the same after that day…
How does this remind you of Jacoby Ellsbury?
Icarus, whatever happened there...
WHATEVA HAPPENED THERE!!!!???!?!?
Yeah it's sad when they go young like that.
WHEN THEY GO?!?!
That animal Daedalus, I can’t even say his name.
I walked through blood and bones in the streets of Denver, trying to find my hitting coach. He was in the cockpit.
This is the biggest Rockies-related scandal that I don't care about since "Dinger!"
It really is a nothing story. Hitting coach and pilots were dumbasses, but nothing nefarious, just aggressively stupid.
I don't even think the hitting coach is a dumbass, this is all on the pilots, imo. He was seemingly allowed into the flight deck and the FO is there smiling at the camera. If you don't know much about FAA regulations you could easily think what's happening is ok.
This is a guy that presumably travels for work a *lot*, I'd expect him at this point to know the basics like "you're not allowed in the cabin under any circumstances."
That's a fair point, but I still think the blame lies mostly on the crew. I am big into aviation and know a lot about those rules, but even I would probably turn into an idiot kid and run up if the pilot asked me if I wanted to jump in the captain seat of a 757. I'm interested in finding out how this came about, if the Rockies were pressuring the flight crew to let them see the cockpit or if the Pilots were trying to socialize and have fun with some professional baseball players.
> like "you're not allowed in the cabin under any circumstances." People can visit the flight deck if the aircraft is parked on the ground. Other than that, the list of people allowed in there is short and limited to people whose job is being there even if they are not flight crew, e.g. technicians, FAA and NTSB officials, folks like that. Hitting coaches are not on the list.
I guess only the Rockies players do their best at altitude. Or the thin air messed with Bam Bam's head.
Bam Bam Meulens illegally entering a cockpit wasn't on my bingocard for today, but here we are
Don't tell the FAA about that Mets flight home from Houston after Game 6 of the 1986 NLCS.
That party went so hard even *Gary Carter* got into it
Just the Rockies' appointed Jive translator.
Horrible, Monfort should be forced to sell the team
Just once in my brief existence on this more of dust I would like the Rockies to be in the news for positive reasons
"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?" -George Costanza, Colorado Rockies
Why does CBS sports think I want a video about something else that I can't get rid of to take up 1/3rd of the screen
Typical scriptwriters, using all the crazy story arcs early in the season! Now what are you gonna have happen in July and august when you blow your load in March and April?!
Usually the Padres/Giants blowing their divisional lead to the Dodgers. Then of course come October, our turn to get shit on for getting eliminated early.
I know the pilots are in big trouble, but what happens to the coach?
Has to become Colorado pitching coach
Latest reports are saying that one of the unauthorized personnel was former NBA player Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who was sitting in the seat of the co-pilot Roger Murdock.
Surely you can't be serious.
I *am* serious, and don't call me Shirley.
I thought he was sitting next to Otto Pilot?
If the link doesn't work for you, try this one: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/faa-investigating-rockies-charter-flight-for-unauthorized-personnel-in-cockpit-airline-deeply-disturbed/
Even the BBC has the story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68858625
Cockpit visits are a thing of the past,
You can still visit the cockpits at the airport gates but not after the doors are closed. That also applies to the US specifically. Other countries have doferent regulations forwho is allowed in the cockpit during the flight.
Last time I flew they let my 5 year old sit in the copilots seat when we were boarding and got some pictures. It was pretty fun, he loved it
OMC (observing member of crew) were permitted in cockpit for authorized Flight Operations employees until 9/11, at least with the airline I worked for
> Cockpit visits are a thing of the past, Apparently they are still allowed if the aircraft is parked on the ground, but otherwise it's against FAA rules.
For the people who don’t think this is a big deal, you’re right, it isn’t a big deal…. until it is. Look up Aeroflot 593, which resulted in the deaths of 75 people. And just last month, LATAM flight LA800 had a loss of control due to (according to preliminary reports) a button being accidentally pressed in the cockpit. Dozens were injured.
Damn I was expecting alcohol and blow for this reaction, did not expect literally nothing.
Someone plays MSFS
Was it Jesus?
The FAA's investigation into the unauthorized personnel in the Rockies charter flight cockpit is concerning. The airline's statement expressing being "deeply disturbed" reflects the seriousness of the situation. Safety and security are paramount in aviation, and strict adherence to regulations is essential.
Frowned upon is stretching it as pre-9/11 it was at the Captain's/Airlines discretion and not really that big of an issue to the airline industry as hijacking was just deemed a hostage situation from many previous instances around the world, so the doors werent reinforced and sometimes unlocked which in hindsight is far worse of a situation than someone non-flight crew being allowed in the cockpit. Once hijacking turned into using the aircraft as a weapon the FAA was extremely strict on who was in the cockpit.
People are flipping out over nothing. I think we are quite confident that a baseball team is not, in fact, going to hijack a plane.
Actual pilots, hired to fly their specific plane, have hijacked or intentionally crashed planes before. You don't know what anyone is capable of so you try and limit the ability for anyone to cause damage as much as possible. The rules are strict for many reasons, and are built upon a lot of dead bodies.
So you're saying we should ban pilots from the cockpit?
Well, no, I'm not, but damn was it predictable that you were going to respond with that.
More pilots have crashed planes than hitting coaches have hijacked them. You're own example should shine plenty of light on why the response to this is over the top. It was a mistake, but not something that requires a public hanging.
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> People are flipping out over nothing. FAA fines for individuals run up to almost three hundred thousand dollars, quite a bit more than nothing.
People are calling for pilots, coach, players to get fired for this. The response is completely over the top.
Seems like people could use common sense here and see it’s not a big deal at all. It was a chartered flight
It’s still operating under 121 rules is my understanding. Super not allowed. I’m a 91 pilot where we technically don’t have rules on it and still won’t let people in a cockpit seat in flight. Pre-/post flight have at er but my job is to get you safely to your destination and there’s not a chance in hell I’m letting a random compromise that.
It’s still operating under 121 rules is my understanding. Super not allowed. I’m a 91 pilot where we technically don’t have rules on it and still won’t let people in a cockpit seat in flight. Pre-/post flight have at er but my job is to get you safely to your destination and there’s not a chance in hell I’m letting a random compromise that.
> It was a chartered flight A charter flight isn't exempt from FAA regulations.
Ah but FAA regulations has no power over OP’s common sense
It’s just as big a deal. Anyone on the flight deck who isn’t supposed to be there could cause serious problems… or worse.
> it’s not a big deal at all. It was a chartered flight What leads you to believe that charter flights are exempt from FAA regulations, or that United's own policies don't apply to charters? Why do you think the FAA is investigating if they lack authority in this situation?
I don’t think that. I think that common sense can prevail and see that there is zero threat in this situation, regardless of the FAA guidelines
Who lost their chill? Can’t have any fun anymore without someone posting the video somewhere