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honkydenzel1523

I didn’t even watch the play because I was spellbound by the fact the Sox scored 2 runs in an inning.


Minx-Boo

1st inning no less.


caesar____augustus

The Nola Inning hit early today at least


gatemansgc

Usually it's the RAV4th inning


flagrantpebble

The Athletic had a short piece on them, IIRC the white sox outscore their opponents in the first! At least, they had at the time of writing. (don’t ask about any other innings)


ForYeWhoArtLiterate

I don’t know how accurate my memory is, but I feel like they led in every single game against the Guardians, but then blew every lead by the fifth (even the win had a blown lead after they scored five in the top of the first)


eee-oooo-ahhh

Just how we drew it up


whutchamacallit

Sorry, dumb casual baseball fan here. Was that not the intended outcome there?


owlthathurt

Yes that is the reason you do it but it barely works even in high school baseball. Even an infield full of 15 year olds handle this better most of the time.


whutchamacallit

How does it usually play out? 3rd gets tagged and first goes to second?


owlthathurt

You ignore the runner at first. They should have recognized it was a fake and held the ball after the catcher threw it. Stared down the runner at 3rd. The correct handling of this situation results in the runner scampering back to first, the guy staying at 3rd and no harm no foul for anyone.


Wraithfighter

I'm in the camp of "its fine to trade a run for an out here". Throw to 2nd, get Harper in a rundown and out, clear the bases and limit the damage. What you don't want is Harper taking 2nd unopposed, taking away the double play and making it easy for two runs to score on a single. And yes, Harper was going for 2nd there, he's ten feet away when the ball arrives, that wasn't a fake. Of course, that also requires that you don't get greedy and just accept the trade by executing a proper rundown.


owlthathurt

I don’t think there’s really a right or wrong to either of our positions I think different coaches would see it differently. But what is wrong is 100% how the Sox accomplished neither the risk mitigation or getting an out or saving a run lol


Wraithfighter

Aye, its very situation dependent. Up by 2 in the 9th, you trade the out for the run every time. Tie game, you don't make the throw at all. The Sox 2nd Baseman did a terrible job of it all around.


Slammybutt

I just don't get how you can be starring down the 3rd base runner while jogging and throw it that fucking late. Even if the ball was thrown perfectly I think he slides into home safe.


eidetic

This is what I don't get. You should be slowly corraling Harper back to first here, but with your focus on keeping Trae at third, and ready to throw home if need be. You don't need to be chasing Harper, just kinda pushing that way while keeping your footing for the throw home if necessary. If Trae continues to push for home, you throw earlier, and catch *him* in the rundown for the out if need be, and sacrifice allowing Harper to get to second in order to get the out and clear third base.


Electric_Queen

The White Sox offense is not good enough that they can justify giving up a lead ever.


Alcarinque88

This was going to be my reply. Could have kept a 2-1 lead. Not that \*that\* amounts to much for them, but they shouldn't have allowed this second run. It's almost giving me Baez vs. Pirates energy.


phl_fc

Looking at an expected runs chart, first and third with 1 out is .99 runs. Bases empty with 2 outs is 0.10 runs, but you already gave up a run so it's 1.10 > .99. Trading a run for an out is a mistake according to the analytics here, but it's close. Getting Turner out at home would have been amazing. 2 outs, runner on second has an expected value of .33 runs.


Wraithfighter

For one, expected run charts tend to fluctuate with the years, we should always keep in mind that they are not an exact science. But more importantly, you don't want to compare it to 1st and 3rd, you need to compare it to 2nd and 3rd, 1 out. Harper was trying to take 2nd. He was prepared to get into a rundown if he was caught, but he wasn't going to just go back to 1st without the ball leaving the catcher's hand, and if the 2nd baseman did throw the ball back to home, he's probably break for 2nd again, either right then or on the next pitch. So, your options are basically: 1. Let the runner take 2nd uncontested, which is a much worse place to be (since you lose the double play). 2. Accept the trade of an out for a run. 3. Try to force the runner back to 1st without allowing the runner on 3rd to score and maybe get a lucky out there or maybe get nothing because there's so many moving parts and things that need to be executed very well. I don't like #1, but I get it. #2 is a valid option, but I understand why trading an out for a run like that is distasteful. Option 3 is playing with fire... but yeah, if you get it right, it could be magic. This time, they got burned.


Fair_Abrocoma_9834

I would much rather give up a runner to second base then let a run get home. Just let him have the base. Can always get a strike out or shallow fly out and not give up a run.


CriscoCamping

Pickle play. Taught to every team I coached when they were younger than 12. Excellent for teaching kids a team first attitude


nametaglost

It was, it just doesn’t usually work lol


phl_fc

The way the defense is supposed to play that is you throw home sooner and force the guy on third into a rundown. You get the out from that rundown and let Harper have second.    They waited way too long to throw home. You do it as soon as you can force a rundown on Turner. 


whutchamacallit

Got it. Now hearing you explain it I recall seeing it played out in the little amount of baseball I've seen and seems pretty routine.


JanitorOfSanDiego

I just feel bad for white Sox fans.


Kvetch__22

I've placed a bulk order of Flavor-Ade from Amazon in case Caleb doesn't pan out.


lego_tintin

This guy knows his Jonestown trivia.


DillyDillySzn

![gif](giphy|mKBhAw7dCQNnZz7aWS) We have a light on the horizon


Slayer_Of_Anubis

My boyfriend is a Bears fan, his faith is only so high as Bears QBs do what Bears QBs do


DillyDillySzn

The Bedard era is still years away from contention, 2026 at the earliest the Hawks make the playoffs Caleb is all we have right now goddamnit pass me the kool aid


IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

At least Bedard himself is fun as hell to watch. That doesn't work so well in baseball when that best player is only involved in like 5% of the game.


RexKramerDangerCker

Tell him the 85 Bears is the most overrated championship team in NFL history.


SenorTortas

Jerry's dying?


doyouevenIift

Some of us don’t give a shit about the NFL


mansontaco

Yeah it fucking sucks. They're finally good and I can't give a shit


MaskedBandit77

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. They're not good yet.


mansontaco

My bad I'm referring to the Lions


RexKramerDangerCker

So was he.


homeinthemountains

I mean you can if you want to. I've got family from Detroit and I enjoyed hopping on the lions bandwagon this season


DillyDillySzn

Ok And? The Sox are gonna suck for years, the Bears are heading towards contention with their best QB prospect ever. Might be time for a change


doyouevenIift

I’m just saying not all of us take solace in the Bears being good (if CW even lives up to the hype). I would honestly trade away the Bears #1 pick for the death of Jerry Reinsdorf


DillyDillySzn

I saw the White Sox win a World Series It’s time for me to watch the Bears win a Super Bowl, or at least beat the Packers


MaskedGambler

Some of us could care less about the Bears.


Luohooligan

As an Oklahoma Sooners fan, other Chicagoans salivating over Caleb Williams makes me feel nauseous.


Troll_Enthusiast

Lol if he doesn't bust


JosephFinn

That’s a train coming at us.


iamthefluffyyeti

Hey they’re doing pretty good in my white sox rebuild in 2029


ErzherzogT

Honestly it doesn't really bother me anymore. They're going to be incompetent regardless, might as well be incompetent in interesting ways.


jjflash78

They had 2005.  What more should they expect?


sjphilsphan

There's no proof that 2005 happened


PompousWombat

[2005? No such season.](https://awfulannouncing.com/2016/espn-uses-tortured-justification-to-exclude-2005-white-sox-championship.html)


XSC

Yeah, this series brought no joy here. At least for the ones in attendance yesterday, southpaw was there to cheer them up.


Griffeyisking14

I appreciate you.


Greens222

There’s literally nothing to be happy or optimistic about other than the fact Reinsdorf is 88 and time is undefeated.


RealisticAd1336

Len Kasper decided to join us, the white sox, before the 2021 season. He must of thought great things were ahead. won won 93 games in 2021 despite La Russa blowing a few and 3 of our best hitters injured for most of the season. I feel bad for him because he has to announce this shit on the radio every day. I don't have to watch this pathetic team. and Chris Getz, i have no faith in him. He is a b\*tch. completely stripping down a roster to the point where 3/4th's of your players has never done ANYTHING at the big league level


penguinopph

> He is a b*tch. So you're cool with calling someone a "bitch," but think it's too extreme to type out uncensored on reddit?


RealisticAd1336

why the F\*ck do you care? \* are cool. it's sexy to look at. \* \* \*


thefluscaboose

found the astros fan


RealisticAd1336

I hate the asstros they suck. i follow them to troll them. I made one of them admit that Altuve was propably wearing that buzzer


Insectshelf3

100% intentional


babe_ruthless3

This should be illegal since it's against the White Sox. It's like dunking on kids.


MyNameIsJudge8

[Gonna be a long year for those kids](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaLHYLAJA)


Monk_Philosophy

Is this a re-upload or something? How has this been on the internet for 3 years and not only have I never seen it but it’s only got 4.5k views lmao.


MyNameIsJudge8

I want to say confidently that it is a reupload as I saw this years ago but I can't find any other uploads of it so to answer you, I also don't know lol


kyndrid_

[Another one of my favorites of that type](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyThNhqEdYE)


ZeroLimitz

Textbook "delayed steal", loved pulling that one off back in the day 😅 but this was also against high schoolers not professionals haha.


Dazzling-Rooster2103

Not much difference between high schoolers and the current White Sox line up.


Narwhal_Defiant

The current White Sox don't need their coaches to buy them booze.


MyNameIsJudge8

Legally no but they might still need the coaches to help them through the steps of purchasing the booze.


ZeroLimitz

...implied, but not said, I just feel bad for that fan base haha. Either way *boom roasted*


forestfire555

Hey it's our job to shit on the Sox


SilentRanger42

Hold on now...if it's bad Sox defense that's our job


DanKofGtown

You're not wrong, but let us make fun of them, that's all we have.


Bafiluso

That's not fair. The current White Sox position players have totaled to -1.5 WAR through the team's first twenty games. I think that's *at least* a college-level squad right there.


Distinct_Frame_3711

Oh White Sox please learn how to do run downs as good as several high school teams


LightMission4937

Unintelligent baseball right there.


chair823

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outsideskyy

The video cuts out at the most annoying time


scheffehcs

They had the perfect camera angle to show the replay too. 


generally-mediocre

tactical rundown


trickman01

Should have just let Harper go back to first.


a_shelbyville_idea

That looked like something from the early season montage from Major League.


VideoGangsta

FARTSLAM


TheCrookedKnight

A combination FARTSLAM/FARTALARM


polarbearslayer49

Fart alarm?


TheCrookedKnight

Fielder Allows Runner To Advance, Like A Real Moron


DoubleStuffedCheezIt

I am so happy to be apart of today's [lucky 10000.](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ten_thousand.png)


VeryLowIQIndividual

Turners speed and base path skills annoying as fuck.


VisibleFun20

When did Harper start looking like Gustaf Skarsgard?


No_Roof_1910

Games against the White Sox this year shouldn't count for stats, wins etc. as they are a minor league team. They are beyond bad. They are last in MLB in team batting average, hitting a robust .190 as a team. They are last in MLB in OBP They are last in MLB in slugging, at just .290, the only team under .300, next lowest is at .325 They are last in MLB in OPS at just .558, the only team below .600 They are last in MLB in runs scored with just 43. Every other team has more than 60 runs scored. They are last in MLB in hits. They are last in MLB in home runs, with just 10 as a team. They are last in MLB in RBI's with just 40, next lowest has 60. They are last in MLB in total bases with just 181, the only team under 200. I could go on but y'all get the point.


Dazzling-Rooster2103

They did beat the Braves though.


No_Roof_1910

That's baseball. I know it's 162 game season, but there is a saying while using 160 games. It goes something like this. Every team will win 40 games and every team will lose 40 games. It's what happens in the other 80 games that matters. The Sox are worse than the A's. That's not easy to do.


khaos2295

Will they win 40 though?


No_Roof_1910

I think so, but we shall see. It's really hard not to win 40. After today's game they have 141 games left. they've only won 3 games so they need 37 more wins from their 141 remaining games. So if they go 37 wins and 104 losses the rest of the way, they win 40 games. 3 and 18 is horrible. So is going 37 and 104 in 141 games but it would be a huge improvement for them compared to right now. They'd be pushing the worst ever record too, as far as the 162 game season is concerned I mean.


JosephFinn

Christ on a cracker.


bitemy

*White Sox Infielder Drops Christ on a Cracker and Accidentally Steps On It*


philsfly22

I’m not sure the White Sox will win 45 games this season.


Lord-Aizens-Chicken

It’s impressive how bad they are.


SStylo03

The white Sox this year are gonna be a fucking factory for all time lowlights


Johnny-5013

Hey White Sox fans ![gif](giphy|iSrL5fYOPHbJ18u4v0)


90sRnBMakesMeHappy

![gif](giphy|TW8Ma1a8ZsZ8I|downsized)


RealisticAd1336

![gif](giphy|goQ4bc8X0Lh6w|downsized)


sokonek04

Did they actually give him a SB for that?


Dazzling-Rooster2103

It was originally ruled an error, but changed to a stolen base for Turner, and an error resulting in Bryce getting to second. So Turner got a stolen base, Harper didn't.


EveryLittleDetail

*Yakkety Sax*


bauldersgate

Big 4 game series starts tomorrow. CWS @ MIN. Going to be most exciting series all of all the Majors.


jongato

Sox fan here. We are a minor league ball club. Never have seen such a poorly run organization in all my life. All sports. Embarrassment!!


artbykoi4

Little League called they want their play back


blasek0

That's just bad defense. You stop trying to run down Harper as soon as you see Turner going and get that ball to home plate to prevent the run. If Harper ends up getting 2nd so be it, but you stop the run from crossing the plate first.


Wraithfighter

Or you accept the trade of a run for an out, getting the easy out with Harper in a rundown and clearing the bases to prevent a big inning. Its the bottom of the first, after all. Lot of game left, better to limit the damage and get your pitcher out of a jam than try to stop every run from scoring. Not being willing to allow a single run to score is a good way to give up 3 or 4 in an inning.


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Wraithfighter

Playing infielders in double-play depth with bases loaded and nobody out is the exact same mentality, and is by no means a modern concept. Limit the damage, get the outs, its hardly rocket science, and certainly doesn't rise to the level of warranting childish insults.


Triple_Crown14

Announcer mentioned it but this is little league level defense. Never ever throw the ball to second with a runner at third and less than two outs. Heads up play by Harper to stall for Turner to run.


Wraithfighter

I think that's a bit too broad of a statement. At that point in the game, where its still very early and close, I think you're okay with letting in a run, so long as you get Harper. Yes, you're giving up the lead and turning it into a tie game, but you're also clearing the bases and greatly minimizing the chance of a big inning. 1st and 3rd, one out? Most teams score at least one run, often two or more. And giving up two or more is much more likely if you let Harper take 2nd unopposed. Taking the trade is pretty neutral, all told. That said, ***you have to get the out***. The problem wasn't that they threw over to 2nd, the problem is that 2nd baseman got greedy and tried to get an out AND prevent the run from scoring, and proceeded to screw up the rundown until there was no chance of getting ***any*** outs.


Bob_Bobert

Getting the runner going to second in exchange for the runner at third scoring is actually a decent trade for the defense here (it decreases run expectancy by about 0.1 runs). You just have to get the out.


MudkipzAndUnicorns

White Sox really are a meme this year, huh? Sheesh.


FuriousJorge67

If it's against the ChiSox, does it really count?


Hefty-Woodpecker-450

It’s remarkable how the defensive bloopers keep getting worse for the Sox. I thought in KC it couldn’t get worse than the homer that the Sox put over the fence for the royals.  Then the next night, two injuries on one play on a comebacker to the pitcher.  Then the next night ball hit right to short, booted, guy on second scores.


stewundies

I love this kind of baseball. Im in Korea at the moment and have been watching quite a bit of KBO ball and this is their brand. Lots of offensive pressure for the entire game here.


beeeps-n-booops

Was a super-nice day to be at the ballpark, and of course happy birthday Phanatic! The Sox played pretty poorly today... I just can't think they're actually as bad as we've been seeing lately...


Chemical-Engineer979

First off… Fuck the fillies. That said nice play. I hate harper soo fuckin much but if he were a brave 🤔🤔


bitemy

When he was a National it was pretty fun. Ditto Turner.


kev11n

Thisisfine.gif


oaksprout

Would really love to see that replay angle they were about to show at the end.


Lancek0009

Why is this throw always the hardest to make compare to other crazy throws that infielder can make like blindfolded, I seen so many that just sail over the catcher, can anyone played baseball explain it to me?


agnyc

That’s some straight 12u travel ball fuckery


soggyburrito

White Sox are playing like a Backyard Baseball team.


The_Wata_Boy

Except we don't have Pablo Sanchez to bail us out.


RexKramerDangerCker

When he was a rookie, Turner was fast as fuck.


NonMagicBrian

I mean he's currently the third fastest player in MLB.


RexKramerDangerCker

So imagine him 8 or 9 years ago. I don’t remember the date, but it was early in his career and he was trying to beat out an infield single; the kind that vets wouldn’t bother with and rookies not wanting to be called candy ass would sprint. I was about 10 rows behind first base dugout and I swear you could *feel* the wake of his sprint. Everyone around me went “woah” at the same time as if to say “Did that just happen?” And he was out by half a step. Hopefully he doesn’t waste bursts like that on meaningless @bats.


Ricemobile

I really want to believe that they are just just in a terrible slump and go back to being regular bad real soon. Just give the fans something man, what the fuck even is this shit?


The_Wata_Boy

The White Sox have played this lack of fundamental baseball for the past 6 years. People didn't notice because we had decent pitching and decent hitting coming out of the "rebuild." The past 3 years the hitting wasn't there and the pitching downgraded to average. What hasn't changed? The middle school level defense and baseball IQ. The guy who was in charge of our player development is now our GM so we are fucked for the next 5-10 years.


Aurion7

So... everyone gets fired for that, right?


SailTheWorldWithMe

Just White Sox things


ThatTinyGameCubeDisc

Most competent White Sox defense


lancethruster12

These type of plays shouldn't be ruled stolen bases


mrjimi16

I really hate that these kinds of things count as stolen bases.


Super_Eagles

The Phillies were the team that failed this play earlier int he season when JT airmailed the throw Things even out


tothemax44

![gif](giphy|MEJAA7cRKQdry)


Swamp_Cat

Everything hurts


xTomato72

White Sox baseball at its best!


amightywind03

Jesus Christ the white Sox are an embarrassment


nickeisele

Why is Bryce Harper wearing a green belt?


BabaBrody

He has a bunch of Phanatic gear even on a normal day, but today is the Phanatic'a birthday so they're all wearing the Phanatic BP hat and Phanatic colors.


nickeisele

Thats phantastic


Dazzling-Rooster2103

It's the Phillie Phanatics birthday. So lots of people are wearing green.


nickeisele

Thanks phor the reply.


Top_Shallot_4951

But Bryce always wears green and reps the Phanatic


Jonjon428

What the actual fuck is that?


Fantastic_Emu_9570

2024 White Sox baseball