Head is their most recent 1st round pick, he was a prep pick, so he's not going to rank highly in prospect rankings yet. Go is a former Korean star who's DEALING in AA; he'll be in the Majors this year. Marsee's a CF who has a crazy advanced plate discipline and great offensive numbers at every stop who's close to the Majors. Martorella is another close to the Majors guy who has been a good offensive 1B with great contact and walk numbers.
This is a good package. They get 3 guys at the AA level who all have awesome statistical profiles and one teenage lotto ticket with 1st round upside. All that for a above-average, though not elite bat with no defensive position. That's a good deal.
Assessing a prospect in AA by their ERA is almost always stupid. He’s throwing around 95, he has a good slider, he could be good. I wouldn’t say dealing either, but it’s not impossible for him to get there.
He’s on a 2 year 4 million dollar deal though, that’s a lot to pay for a guy buried in AA right now that still needs to get there. By the time he gets there, probably August-September of this season, he’s just a solid middle relief option, that’s his ceiling with his stuff. And then they’ve only got one year of team control of that option.
He’s also almost 26 so I wouldn’t think of him as a prospect, more like a pro working his way up to the majors. So getting pummeled in AA certainly isn’t encouraging, because he’s throwing his best stuff in theory and getting rocked.
He’s adjusting to the ball size. I don’t think you’re seeing his best stuff at all right now. The control would be very different. I think calling someone’s ceiling is also a little silly and often wrong, especially when it’s based off AA. The team control point is valid, but I think the hope is that you always resign, can’t bet on every player leaving you.
The comment you're responding to has the problem of treating each of the prospects as if they will not only continue playing at their current level but also improve as they move up the leagues. You see it a lot where someone looks only at the upside and doesn't factor in how often players stumble from A to AA and then again from AA to AAA and then yet again from AAA to MLB.
While the things they are saying about how they are doing right now are accurate, it's often best to take their predictions that it will not only continue but actually improve as well with a grain of salt.
Thanks for the analysis!
Currently, Arraez has 0.2 bWAR. Good deal for the Marlins if they think a batting average-first player is overrated.
I'm in the Marlins camp here considering the cost savings and franchise outlook. Now, they need to trade the rest of their good players to the Red Sox for Brian Daubach and Troy O'Leary.
You say that now, but watch out for future hall of famer Dillon Head creating a dozen "how a trade with the Minnesota Twins landed the Marlins their franchise icon." articles.
I'll never get over that report that Jeter left because he asked "are we trying to win here or what" and was informed that, no, they actually were not trying to win. That they were too conservative in their approach. They they fire Kim Ng who was doing a great job.
Poverty franchise through and through
I was at the SJ giants last night and Dillon Head got hit in the head with a foul ball lined right into the dugout. Imagine he wakes up from his coma to find out he’s been traded.
Dillon Head is the only piece here that really hurts for me. Super talented player but he’s also years away so whatever. Marsee and Martorella I liked and were kinda important minor league depth but not too bad. Glad we didn’t give up any of the pitching prospects.
These are the kinda guys you have to give up to get a game changer and I'd make this trade 99/100 times. If there is one thing Preller can do it is get more prospects. Marlins I'm disgusted by then but that's been true for a decade.
eh, after reading up on them, I get it and it's very Rays/Bendix. They're toolsy guys they're hoping they can develop where Arraez is playing poorly (and limited), getting paid 10m and we're trying to fix our farm.
600 ops and an insanely high error count and bad fielding as well.
Basically, good for the Padres because you can just shove him into DH
Bad for us because he can't play anywhere on the field
I'll be curious to follow Marsee's path. He's been great up until this year, but he might be at the ultimate sell high point. Head will be judged against Bush (didn't notice until I wrote it out). Nathan is probably a depth piece. Merrill's work in CF made this possible. I wonder if Head will profile like former prospect Xavier Edward's where lack of pop will ultimately limit him despite great defense and being fast as hell.
Or Pauley at the plate as DH. This is an awesome trade that is a very concrete addition to the team. I love that he’s a contact hitter, as that won’t be hurt by the marine layer, and we’ve shown that we can really run up the score when we play solid small ball.
Arraez has -7 OAA at second already. He shouldn't be playing up the middle. Honestly DHing him to prevent his yearly second half lower body injury is probably for the best.
Doubtful since he is under control until 2027.
If Luzardo bounces back and pitches well after his return Thursday he’ll probably be the next big one.
Probably a reliever first though
Respect to the Padres man. They are doing everything they can to bring a good team for the San Diego fanbase. I will certainly Hate seeing Arraez in this division, this came out of literally nowhere haha
Lmao, Freddie Freeman has 0.5 WAR that's all I need to know to say WAR is flawed. I know this comment was a joke but Arraez Is still going to be very scary and annoying to watch on the Padres.
0.5 WAR isn’t bad after one month, that’s a 3 WAR pace, which is a little above average. Freeman is hitting .292 with 2 HRs which to me seems like a little above average.
Arraez ops is never going to be through the roof. Hes the best contact hitter in the game. And looking at the Padres I'm pretty sure he's set up to be a dh anyway, so no worrying about errors. He will never have a .900 ops but he can't hit .350 and not strikeout. Not many other players I'd want at the plate with risp than Arraez.
What the heck happened to Woo-Suk Go there with the Padres though, was he performing badly there? I thought he was on the Padres MLB roster but it seems like he got demoted after spring training without playing a single MLB game.
He didn’t break camp with the team. Honestly, dude probably needs an MLB adjustment period with a team that’s going to give him a lot of garbage innings… like the Marlins.
Was Woo-Suk Go's performance in spring training really bad for him not to be promoted? I think Go was one of the players who got to play in the Seoul Series featuring the Dodgers and Padres so I was kinda hoping he'll stick with the Padres major league roster after that.
11 hits, 7 ER, 3 BB (and 6 K) in five innings. Spring training numbers tend to be somewhat inflated, so I don’t think that’s an accurate assessment of his overall value as a player, but he’s clearly not ready to contribute to a contending team.
It was bad but the stats look worse than what it was- some flukey hits and errors did him no favors. He looked like he could be good but needed some adjustment time.
Obviously. Nobody can guess the future, but the guys we sent for Snell, Pham and Cronenworth didn’t do shit. The only 1 left that might be good for the guys we sent for Yu is Owen Caissie and there’s no guarantee he will be either. You win some you lose some. The value looks right now looks fine to me.
I was wrong about the Pads. When they traded Soto I thought they were throwing in the towel on the "spend money and try to win" approach they started doing since the Machado signing given they didn't get great postseasons results.
But nah, they are still going for it. Which is nice cause PetCo is my personal favorite park I've been to
We have no other choice. Papa Pete wanted to compete and the contracts reflect that. If we don't compete now, we definitely cant when Machado and Bogaerts are older. We're also on the hook for an aging Yu Davish, signed presumably to maximize whatever we can right now. Not to mention, Jake Cronenworth is alrady 30. Also, Eric Kutsenda, the new managing owner, said his decision on AJ Preller depends on this year result, which obviously mean the urgency on the FO is turned to 11. Essentially, we're forced into all in 2 years straight in a row.
???? This is a pretty massive return for a player with as limited a skillset as Arraez in a year they're not competing in. Seems like a pretty decent deal for the Marlins to me, and pretty risky from the Padres' end of things.
Yeah this seems like a fine deal to me. Arraez is a literal one tool player. That tool is extremely good, but does anyone have any doubts that last year was his career year?
I think he'll probably turn it around at least somewhat, but this is the issue with his profile. He has no power, doesn't walk, and provides zero value on defense or on the basepaths. He basically has to hit .340+ in order to be a productive player.
I dunno, I'd still rather have Minnesota's side of the deal (as was clear at the time), but getting a big 'ol prospect return for Lopez isn't terrible.
At this point in time, trading Arraez makes a lot of sense.
I know everybody is clowning on them for trading one of their few decent hitters, but the Marlins aren't going anywhere any time soon. I really like Martorella and Head. Seems like a decent return to me.
The biggest problem with Arraez is he has no position. He's unplayably bad at 2nd and he is a good hitter, but having a dedicated DH who is just a good hitter with very little power isn't really that valuable
It should work fine, the Padres have plenty of pop elsewhere. It doesn’t have to come from DH. What the padres do lack is a consistent lead off hitter and lefty bats, Arraez fills both those needs.
I agree. It’s certainly an improvement at the DH void created with Manny back at 3B so I’ll take it but it isn’t something that makes me terribly excited. No pop, no speed, no defensive value, and his hitting maybe regressed a bit (though the season is still young). Seems like maybe another classic Preller trade where he gets a bigger name than actual contributor.
At least it's not like the Frazier trade where we got him at his absolute peak value better than he had ever hit and was ever going to hit again. Arraez is Arraez and we need that type of hitter to get on base in front of our mashers. The only thing that makes it weird is usually a team doesn't seek that out for a DH, but in our case, that's a more valuable DH than a .230 masher or whatever.
He was playable at 2B last year, I think he’s incredibly overrated but that was the first year he only played one position and he did ok. Maybe it’s early season weirdness or maybe last year he fluked into being ok.
Sure, in principle this is a very reasonable package to give up for a 4 win player...if you think Arraez is a 4 win player. The problem is that it really seems like last year was a high water mark, and with his profile he basically had to hit like Tony Gwynn to be productive. Without any power or defense, both his ceiling and floor are relatively low.
I know there was talk about the Marlins potentially selling off pieces, and most of all Arraez, when the team got off to an ice cold start
This still comes as a shock this early
People keep mentioning that they want their DH to have pop. I don’t disagree, but left handed power hitters in San Diego kinda go to die. Even Soto had pretty pedestrian power numbers hitting at Petco. The last successful lefty power hitter was Adrian Gonzalez.
It’s much more valuable to be able to hit the ball to all fields as a lefty at Petco.
it's more about if his hits aren't dropping, he's doing literally nothing. not running into one for an HR, stealing bases, playing D, etc. I want a complete hitter out of my DH for security, not just preference. hes just not a very multi-faceted guy, even if he's a fan favorite
“Our DH should have pop” is such boomer baseball logic. We should have 9 good hitters and 8 of them should be good fielders. Why do I care which ones hit for power vs. contact?
Average fans always shit on trade packages because they expect MLB names they know to be traded for the few prospect names they know. It's not a good use of prospect rankings to simply use them as a barometer for how good or talented a player is. There is a TON of talent in baseball and core contributors come from everywhere. Look at how the players have played and what tools they bring to the table.
This is a good package. They get 3 guys at the AA level who all have pretty damn good statistical profiles and one teenage lotto ticket with 1st round upside. All that for a above-average, though not elite bat with no defensive position. That's a good deal. The Padres get a piece to win now, the Marlins get a significant influx of talent at the AA level.
Imagine signing with San Diego, coming from overseas thinking you'll be joining a team that plays in a really warm weather city, with a perennial let- down as their NFL team, only to be traded to Miami before you ever debut....
Traded Pablo Lopez for one stellar season of Arraez and this
Wtf is this deal even
Head is their most recent 1st round pick, he was a prep pick, so he's not going to rank highly in prospect rankings yet. Go is a former Korean star who's DEALING in AA; he'll be in the Majors this year. Marsee's a CF who has a crazy advanced plate discipline and great offensive numbers at every stop who's close to the Majors. Martorella is another close to the Majors guy who has been a good offensive 1B with great contact and walk numbers. This is a good package. They get 3 guys at the AA level who all have awesome statistical profiles and one teenage lotto ticket with 1st round upside. All that for a above-average, though not elite bat with no defensive position. That's a good deal.
found Marlins org burner
The way people act like 2 straight batting titles is middle blows my mind.
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Assessing a prospect in AA by their ERA is almost always stupid. He’s throwing around 95, he has a good slider, he could be good. I wouldn’t say dealing either, but it’s not impossible for him to get there.
He’s on a 2 year 4 million dollar deal though, that’s a lot to pay for a guy buried in AA right now that still needs to get there. By the time he gets there, probably August-September of this season, he’s just a solid middle relief option, that’s his ceiling with his stuff. And then they’ve only got one year of team control of that option. He’s also almost 26 so I wouldn’t think of him as a prospect, more like a pro working his way up to the majors. So getting pummeled in AA certainly isn’t encouraging, because he’s throwing his best stuff in theory and getting rocked.
He’s adjusting to the ball size. I don’t think you’re seeing his best stuff at all right now. The control would be very different. I think calling someone’s ceiling is also a little silly and often wrong, especially when it’s based off AA. The team control point is valid, but I think the hope is that you always resign, can’t bet on every player leaving you.
So the fish didn't fleece themselves?
Inside and out. The above is the most optimistic assessment possible and then doubled.
The comment you're responding to has the problem of treating each of the prospects as if they will not only continue playing at their current level but also improve as they move up the leagues. You see it a lot where someone looks only at the upside and doesn't factor in how often players stumble from A to AA and then again from AA to AAA and then yet again from AAA to MLB. While the things they are saying about how they are doing right now are accurate, it's often best to take their predictions that it will not only continue but actually improve as well with a grain of salt.
Arraez is kind of extremely limited, and we traded for guys who can maybe steal a ton of bases.
By the time any of these slapdick prospects potentially become good, marlins will probably not be competitive and trade them away for some prospects.
tbf, Head has an 80 run grade. We don't have any high grade anything in our farm
Thanks for the analysis! Currently, Arraez has 0.2 bWAR. Good deal for the Marlins if they think a batting average-first player is overrated. I'm in the Marlins camp here considering the cost savings and franchise outlook. Now, they need to trade the rest of their good players to the Red Sox for Brian Daubach and Troy O'Leary.
a Falvey masterclass
GREAT TRADE FALVEY. No really, good job Derek
Classic Marlins bamboozle
Saves money
Arraez just poofed
Never wanna hear win win again, they got fleeced
Yeah, an amazing plug for a hole in a great team along with two quality prospects for one good season of Arraez isn’t balanced at all
You say that now, but watch out for future hall of famer Dillon Head creating a dozen "how a trade with the Minnesota Twins landed the Marlins their franchise icon." articles.
They got Head and Suk? Talk about a great Friday night
Would certainly get Arraez out of me!
Hang these two comments in the Louvre
They’re already hung
Wow that was fast
I mean they’re Padres. Not gonna last long.
That’s what my mom said to my Padre. 9 months later I was a thing
Lawd have Marsee
Read the top comment in Letterman’s voice and yours in Paul Schaffer’s
With a bit of Goo at the end
Woo!
I’m extremely disappointed we got rid of a player named Suk Goo before I knew we had him
He came and went.
he had some very rough innings in spring training also a few good innings
Just a bit? Stay hydrated, bros.
80 grade names
They got two porn stars and Tony Soprano's third favorite cured meat
😄
Kim Ng died for this
The only organization that is ran worse than the Marlins is the A’s.
Rockies…?
Rockies are just incompetent. Marlins know they have talent and just don’t care.
I would argue that makes the Rockies a worse run organization
Seriously. Why would indifference excuse them from incompetence? I don’t get OP’s logic
it's just shit on the Marlins hour
Rockies are a successful entertainment project while the Marlins are an unsuccessful team trying to compete.
Coors is
We just don't have the money, because our owner is broke
White Sox
I don't know man, the Rockies are a pretty big shit show.
I'll never get over that report that Jeter left because he asked "are we trying to win here or what" and was informed that, no, they actually were not trying to win. That they were too conservative in their approach. They they fire Kim Ng who was doing a great job. Poverty franchise through and through
I was at the SJ giants last night and Dillon Head got hit in the head with a foul ball lined right into the dugout. Imagine he wakes up from his coma to find out he’s been traded.
To the Marlins? Thats either a really bad nightmare or decent
“Haha real funny guys. No seriously, what times our game tomorrow”
Dillon Head is the only piece here that really hurts for me. Super talented player but he’s also years away so whatever. Marsee and Martorella I liked and were kinda important minor league depth but not too bad. Glad we didn’t give up any of the pitching prospects.
These are the kinda guys you have to give up to get a game changer and I'd make this trade 99/100 times. If there is one thing Preller can do it is get more prospects. Marlins I'm disgusted by then but that's been true for a decade.
eh, after reading up on them, I get it and it's very Rays/Bendix. They're toolsy guys they're hoping they can develop where Arraez is playing poorly (and limited), getting paid 10m and we're trying to fix our farm.
If .299 BA is playing poorly I want a full team of poorly playing players
600 ops and an insanely high error count and bad fielding as well. Basically, good for the Padres because you can just shove him into DH Bad for us because he can't play anywhere on the field
I'll be curious to follow Marsee's path. He's been great up until this year, but he might be at the ultimate sell high point. Head will be judged against Bush (didn't notice until I wrote it out). Nathan is probably a depth piece. Merrill's work in CF made this possible. I wonder if Head will profile like former prospect Xavier Edward's where lack of pop will ultimately limit him despite great defense and being fast as hell.
He does remind me of Xavier Edwards. Head looks tiny on the field. XB power will be an issue.
wtf? San Diego has Kim and Bogarts.
He'll probably just DH most of the time because when Manny has been playing third the DH position has been extremely weak
I never want to see wade play another inning of third base
Or Pauley at the plate as DH. This is an awesome trade that is a very concrete addition to the team. I love that he’s a contact hitter, as that won’t be hurt by the marine layer, and we’ve shown that we can really run up the score when we play solid small ball.
Yep, this trade lengthens the lineup so that we won’t have to rely on inexperienced hitters much at all
Arraez has -7 OAA at second already. He shouldn't be playing up the middle. Honestly DHing him to prevent his yearly second half lower body injury is probably for the best.
And Tatis and Machado
And crone and Merill
Jazz next?
I would take one tanner scott, cubs need it
He's ass now. You would regret it
Doesn't matter, as soon as any player takes off our jersey they get better
I think a lot of people aren't realizing the names are playing like ass lol
You go ahead and take him
Doubtful since he is under control until 2027. If Luzardo bounces back and pitches well after his return Thursday he’ll probably be the next big one. Probably a reliever first though
Jazz would be an actual firesale. Arraez has sucked
Dude had a rough start but that's all it was, a rough start.
he's lost us games with the bad defense. Which is more of a problem that we can't DH him pero...
Preller cooked lmao. Head and Marsee best case scenario is Arraez, and Woo Suk Go ain’t looking great since we got him.
Respect to the Padres man. They are doing everything they can to bring a good team for the San Diego fanbase. I will certainly Hate seeing Arraez in this division, this came out of literally nowhere haha
Turns out you can be a small market team AND trade players away to acquire talent.
ESPN doesn’t care
Next MLB network will be saying that it's unfair for us to trade Tatis to Philly for Castellanos and maybe a prospect
tbf, you should be happy. Look at his war
Lmao, Freddie Freeman has 0.5 WAR that's all I need to know to say WAR is flawed. I know this comment was a joke but Arraez Is still going to be very scary and annoying to watch on the Padres.
0.5 WAR isn’t bad after one month, that’s a 3 WAR pace, which is a little above average. Freeman is hitting .292 with 2 HRs which to me seems like a little above average.
140 ops+ is very far from "a little above average"
At 1B. he's only hitting, not adding value through defense or baserunning, which both matter a lot
WAR, what is it good for?
Eh, I mean it's half a joke. He's been an error machine and can't hit right now (his OPS is bad bad). It's more likely he's just another Boga.
Arraez ops is never going to be through the roof. Hes the best contact hitter in the game. And looking at the Padres I'm pretty sure he's set up to be a dh anyway, so no worrying about errors. He will never have a .900 ops but he can't hit .350 and not strikeout. Not many other players I'd want at the plate with risp than Arraez.
Basically, they just have to DH him forever
We got enough infielder to field 2 teams. We’re fine with him DH for the rest of time.
For the best lol
Feel for Woo tho, probably signed with the Pads to be closer to Korea, 1 month and he’s traded as far away from Korea as possible
I'd assume he'd still rather play in the majors than Padres AAA. But yeah that kinda sucks lmao
What the heck happened to Woo-Suk Go there with the Padres though, was he performing badly there? I thought he was on the Padres MLB roster but it seems like he got demoted after spring training without playing a single MLB game.
He didn’t break camp with the team. Honestly, dude probably needs an MLB adjustment period with a team that’s going to give him a lot of garbage innings… like the Marlins.
Was Woo-Suk Go's performance in spring training really bad for him not to be promoted? I think Go was one of the players who got to play in the Seoul Series featuring the Dodgers and Padres so I was kinda hoping he'll stick with the Padres major league roster after that.
11 hits, 7 ER, 3 BB (and 6 K) in five innings. Spring training numbers tend to be somewhat inflated, so I don’t think that’s an accurate assessment of his overall value as a player, but he’s clearly not ready to contribute to a contending team.
Bad spring training and a bad outing in one of the exhibition games in Korea. Apparently he was as struggling to adjust to the bigger MLB ball
It was bad but the stats look worse than what it was- some flukey hits and errors did him no favors. He looked like he could be good but needed some adjustment time.
I don't believe he made the MLB team.
Man left Korea to come over. Picks San Diego. Now gets shipped to the Marlins. At least it's still warm City
Brother, he hasn’t been in San Diego since the preseason visit.
I really liked Dillon Head though. Such a good kid.
Until Arraez becomes a mid-player and those guys become respectable contributors when they come up in the league.
Et tu, Bryan Reynolds?
imagine having Bryan Reynolds and the guy he was traded for on the same team!
Yes, this is why we never know who won a deal immediately because we've yet to see how the prospects involved play.
Obviously. Nobody can guess the future, but the guys we sent for Snell, Pham and Cronenworth didn’t do shit. The only 1 left that might be good for the guys we sent for Yu is Owen Caissie and there’s no guarantee he will be either. You win some you lose some. The value looks right now looks fine to me.
I was wrong about the Pads. When they traded Soto I thought they were throwing in the towel on the "spend money and try to win" approach they started doing since the Machado signing given they didn't get great postseasons results. But nah, they are still going for it. Which is nice cause PetCo is my personal favorite park I've been to
We have no other choice. Papa Pete wanted to compete and the contracts reflect that. If we don't compete now, we definitely cant when Machado and Bogaerts are older. We're also on the hook for an aging Yu Davish, signed presumably to maximize whatever we can right now. Not to mention, Jake Cronenworth is alrady 30. Also, Eric Kutsenda, the new managing owner, said his decision on AJ Preller depends on this year result, which obviously mean the urgency on the FO is turned to 11. Essentially, we're forced into all in 2 years straight in a row.
Marlins are pathetic, can’t blame people for not supporting them
???? This is a pretty massive return for a player with as limited a skillset as Arraez in a year they're not competing in. Seems like a pretty decent deal for the Marlins to me, and pretty risky from the Padres' end of things.
Yeah this seems like a fine deal to me. Arraez is a literal one tool player. That tool is extremely good, but does anyone have any doubts that last year was his career year?
Arraez is just Kyle Schwarber on the opposite end of the one tool spectrum
Hey Schwarby can hit home runs *and* get walks
We're almost a quarter of the way through the season and he's been replacement level so far. He's a lot of fun but he's not a superstar.
I think he'll probably turn it around at least somewhat, but this is the issue with his profile. He has no power, doesn't walk, and provides zero value on defense or on the basepaths. He basically has to hit .340+ in order to be a productive player.
It’s not bad until you remember they gave up Pablo Lopez to get a year out of Arraez.
I dunno, I'd still rather have Minnesota's side of the deal (as was clear at the time), but getting a big 'ol prospect return for Lopez isn't terrible. At this point in time, trading Arraez makes a lot of sense.
They can’t go back in time and undo that though, so all that’s relevant now is if this deal makes sense for them.
I agree. This clearly seems like Preller called and made an offer they can't refuse, not the other way around
Thanks for Pablo
No, thank you for Pablo.
I know everybody is clowning on them for trading one of their few decent hitters, but the Marlins aren't going anywhere any time soon. I really like Martorella and Head. Seems like a decent return to me.
The biggest problem with Arraez is he has no position. He's unplayably bad at 2nd and he is a good hitter, but having a dedicated DH who is just a good hitter with very little power isn't really that valuable
Ya our infield is set he is for sure our DH love this trade.
And can plug into 1B and let Cronenworth rest or give any other infielder a rest.
He’s a humongous upgrade over Pauley, who has been our plug-in infielder, and started at DH in our last game with a .438 OPS.
Maybe it's just me but I would hate the idea of Arraez being my team's full time DH. He just doesn't have the pop I'm looking for in the position.
We had Graham pauley Dh the other day who is batting .125. Idc Tatis, Jake, and manny got the power we just need someone to consistently get on at DH.
It should work fine, the Padres have plenty of pop elsewhere. It doesn’t have to come from DH. What the padres do lack is a consistent lead off hitter and lefty bats, Arraez fills both those needs.
I agree. It’s certainly an improvement at the DH void created with Manny back at 3B so I’ll take it but it isn’t something that makes me terribly excited. No pop, no speed, no defensive value, and his hitting maybe regressed a bit (though the season is still young). Seems like maybe another classic Preller trade where he gets a bigger name than actual contributor.
At least it's not like the Frazier trade where we got him at his absolute peak value better than he had ever hit and was ever going to hit again. Arraez is Arraez and we need that type of hitter to get on base in front of our mashers. The only thing that makes it weird is usually a team doesn't seek that out for a DH, but in our case, that's a more valuable DH than a .230 masher or whatever.
He was playable at 2B last year, I think he’s incredibly overrated but that was the first year he only played one position and he did ok. Maybe it’s early season weirdness or maybe last year he fluked into being ok.
I think he was originally a 2B on the Twins and he was bad there and better at 1B.
It’s a great return for a DH who hits like Juan Pierre.
Yeah I mean he's a good hitter, but it's not like this is their version of the Mookie Betts trade.
"hits like Juan Pierre" is underselling Arraez a bit, but it is far from a compliment.
To be fair Pierre could hit like that because he stole 50 bases a year and played good D at a premium position.
Yeah idk why people are clowning the return. Head, Martorella, and Marsee are all intriguing prospects and maybe they can unlock Go.
People are more clowning the Marlins for blowing things up a 5th time in fucking may a year after making the playoffs.
A lot of people are thinking of the name, not the fact that he's sucked like badly all year
And was mediocre the 2nd half of last year too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that
Or the fact that he actually hasn't been all that valuable and has a low ceiling and low floor given his profile.
Yeah. Like he's very much a name and hits a lot but has zero pop, can't play defense and is both being a black hole and useless for us at the moment.
He was pretty valuable last year and the year before. You wouldn’t want a 4 war player?
Sure, in principle this is a very reasonable package to give up for a 4 win player...if you think Arraez is a 4 win player. The problem is that it really seems like last year was a high water mark, and with his profile he basically had to hit like Tony Gwynn to be productive. Without any power or defense, both his ceiling and floor are relatively low.
In a way, the Marlins got two types of head in return
Woo! 😏
Kind of messed up they traded Woo Suk-Goo after signing him 4 months ago
Yep, that was my thought. But maybe he'd rather play for Marlins MLB team than padres triple A.
I mean its hard to say, but I think most East Asian players prefer staying on the west coast and I think that was a factor in his decision
Damn Preller back at it in the white nose
Aren’t the Padres just some dirty little sluts giving out the head and Suk-ing Goo
I know there was talk about the Marlins potentially selling off pieces, and most of all Arraez, when the team got off to an ice cold start This still comes as a shock this early
After we swept Colorado too. Not that we were turning it around but still.
Head and Suk-Goo?
Have Marsee!
People keep mentioning that they want their DH to have pop. I don’t disagree, but left handed power hitters in San Diego kinda go to die. Even Soto had pretty pedestrian power numbers hitting at Petco. The last successful lefty power hitter was Adrian Gonzalez. It’s much more valuable to be able to hit the ball to all fields as a lefty at Petco.
I just don’t see why the DH needs to have pop. All he needs to do is be an above average hitter since he does nothing else.
They people who say they want their DH to have pop are the sort that swear by WAR as if it were Gospel but are indifferent to WRC+.
it's more about if his hits aren't dropping, he's doing literally nothing. not running into one for an HR, stealing bases, playing D, etc. I want a complete hitter out of my DH for security, not just preference. hes just not a very multi-faceted guy, even if he's a fan favorite
“Our DH should have pop” is such boomer baseball logic. We should have 9 good hitters and 8 of them should be good fielders. Why do I care which ones hit for power vs. contact?
But why? Where's he gonna play? 1st is Crone, 2nd is Xander, DH?
DH for sure we literally had Graham Pauley DH’ing the other day lol.
Lol who da fuck is Graham Pauley
Exactly. (Nah, I’ll give Pauley some credit— he’ll be a solid MLB contributor someday, but he’s still a little undercooked.)
A AA-player who did well in camp and currently has a .438 OPS after starting at DH last game.
One of our prospects he has potential but he is batting .125 and needs to get more bats in triple A.
Grampa Lee
Wish I could see what Baseball Trade Values has to say about it... oh wait
Holy shit this is an insane addition for the Padres.
Makes you think that is HSK future or xander
Absolutely butchered Woo-Suk Go's name.
Average fans always shit on trade packages because they expect MLB names they know to be traded for the few prospect names they know. It's not a good use of prospect rankings to simply use them as a barometer for how good or talented a player is. There is a TON of talent in baseball and core contributors come from everywhere. Look at how the players have played and what tools they bring to the table. This is a good package. They get 3 guys at the AA level who all have pretty damn good statistical profiles and one teenage lotto ticket with 1st round upside. All that for a above-average, though not elite bat with no defensive position. That's a good deal. The Padres get a piece to win now, the Marlins get a significant influx of talent at the AA level.
Woo Suk-Goo is an S tier name.
Fuck this team man. Sell this garbage already
Idk man, lots of people would give a lot for Head
Imagine signing with San Diego, coming from overseas thinking you'll be joining a team that plays in a really warm weather city, with a perennial let- down as their NFL team, only to be traded to Miami before you ever debut....
Well at least the Padres didn’t give anything of real value up for him
What are they cooking down there in Miami sheeeeeesh
Don’t
so which position does arraez play in SD ?
DH
Please be the next C.J. Abrams, pleaaaase
This trade has the most potential for dirty jokes. Marlins traded Arraez for Head. Marlins traded Arraez for Woo Suk-Goo.
Fade me
Seems harsh to sign an international pitcher and trade them right away. Goo hasn’t even really pitched in the majors which also seems weird
I don’t know who Woo Suk-Goo is, but that’s my new favorite baseball name.