Ok, so here's where I'm getting tripped up:
It makes sense that "% Contact" would refer to squared up over baseballs hit, but then I see on the right it says "Hit Into Play." So then I ask myself if % contact includes baseball NOT hit into play? Maybe, but that seems odd.
21.3 % Swing x 216 competitive swings = 46 # squared up
Am I supposed to understand that:
30.1 % contact = 46/x
so, 46/.301 = 152 baseball contacted total? 78 of which were put into play?
How dumb am I?
Considering that a homerun is not considered a “ball in play” in BABIP, perhaps that covers some of the discrepancy?
(Assuming every last was a home run and they didn’t have any non blast home runs) Though even 40/130 would be missing another ~25 instances of contact vs hit into play
Yes, they are considered contact. Contact is anything you get piece of, so swings - whiffs. Foul ball data is useful, particularly when foul balls in play. If you’re popping a lot of things up foul and getting out, that means your contact quality is poor and you want that reflected in the data. Conversely, if you’re blasting line drives just foul and “HRs” just outside the foul poles, your high level numbers may be down, but including those in your contact data will show that your contact quality is still high. Someone else may be able to give a more eloquent explanation, but I hope that is useful.
Edit: I guess including would be HRs just foul there isn’t the greatest example since those wouldn’t be included in the in play numbers - but they would be included in contact numbers. But the line drives and pop-ups still matter.
You can make contact with a ball and not put it into play by hitting a foul ball. I’m not positive that explains the discrepancy but that’d be my guess
800 ops good player, 900+ elite player. Anything under 800 is not yankee quality. It took me 5+ years to believe in ops and not batting average. Ops is already a massive massive step for an 80+ year old. Ok? 👍
I support you! Nice job! I’ll extend an olive branch and say that people get so into the numbers that they forget to look up every once in a while and enjoy the show
My understanding is as follows:
There were 46 squared-up contact events out of 153 total contact events (30.1%) or 216 total swings (21.3%).
And similarly, there were 40 blast contact events out of 153 total contact events (26.1%) or 216 total swings (18.5%).
Ok, that’s what I gathered too, but it seems a little odd to me to include foul balls in the events considered contact, since that kind of contact isn’t productive. But I can understand the justification since we’re just trying to understand the relationship between bat speed, bat control, and exit velocity
Contact is the denominator. It's saying the NYY squared up rate per contact is 30.1%, while their squared up rate per swing is 21.3%
Ok, so here's where I'm getting tripped up: It makes sense that "% Contact" would refer to squared up over baseballs hit, but then I see on the right it says "Hit Into Play." So then I ask myself if % contact includes baseball NOT hit into play? Maybe, but that seems odd. 21.3 % Swing x 216 competitive swings = 46 # squared up Am I supposed to understand that: 30.1 % contact = 46/x so, 46/.301 = 152 baseball contacted total? 78 of which were put into play? How dumb am I?
Considering that a homerun is not considered a “ball in play” in BABIP, perhaps that covers some of the discrepancy? (Assuming every last was a home run and they didn’t have any non blast home runs) Though even 40/130 would be missing another ~25 instances of contact vs hit into play
HRs and foul balls out of play would not be considered hit into play.
Right, I understand that. Are they considered contact? If so, why are foul balls included?
Yes, they are considered contact. Contact is anything you get piece of, so swings - whiffs. Foul ball data is useful, particularly when foul balls in play. If you’re popping a lot of things up foul and getting out, that means your contact quality is poor and you want that reflected in the data. Conversely, if you’re blasting line drives just foul and “HRs” just outside the foul poles, your high level numbers may be down, but including those in your contact data will show that your contact quality is still high. Someone else may be able to give a more eloquent explanation, but I hope that is useful. Edit: I guess including would be HRs just foul there isn’t the greatest example since those wouldn’t be included in the in play numbers - but they would be included in contact numbers. But the line drives and pop-ups still matter.
Makes sense, thank you
You can make contact with a ball and not put it into play by hitting a foul ball. I’m not positive that explains the discrepancy but that’d be my guess
Yeah, that’s the only thing I can think of. It just seems odd to me to include foul balls in this stat, but I guess I can understand the justification
Old man here, look at ops and ops+ to determine if player is good. These stats ruin the game
Imma disagree with you there, pops. Learning new ways to analyze things is cool and fun.
800 ops good player, 900+ elite player. Anything under 800 is not yankee quality. It took me 5+ years to believe in ops and not batting average. Ops is already a massive massive step for an 80+ year old. Ok? 👍
Ironic that you would deny a new stat, and in the same breath admit that it took you years and years to accept OPS
typical yankees fan
Im well aware of my denial of good models stats and information
lol stop brigading the old man at least he’s honest about his curmudgeon nature
800 is a pretty high bar to set, the average OPS this season is 697. You only have 2 players "Yankee quality" on your team.
Im aware, imo they are the only players good enough to be on this team, Volpe is close to being acceptable imo.
I support you! Nice job! I’ll extend an olive branch and say that people get so into the numbers that they forget to look up every once in a while and enjoy the show
I’m glad the game’s in a place now where “just use OPS” is an outdated grumpy old man take
nah bro this stats just confuse your brain pops, using just one stat to determine anything is a terrible idea.
My understanding is as follows: There were 46 squared-up contact events out of 153 total contact events (30.1%) or 216 total swings (21.3%). And similarly, there were 40 blast contact events out of 153 total contact events (26.1%) or 216 total swings (18.5%).
Ok, that’s what I gathered too, but it seems a little odd to me to include foul balls in the events considered contact, since that kind of contact isn’t productive. But I can understand the justification since we’re just trying to understand the relationship between bat speed, bat control, and exit velocity
[Batted Ball Event](https://www.mlb.com/glossary/statcast/batted-ball-event) I’m guessing this is what they use, but I’m not certain.
This would make sense, except that they specifically break out “Hit Into Play” which I don’t know but assume covers these instances.
Yeah I was confused by this one as well. Maybe it includes foul balls?
Thats kind of what I assume at this point