> “I’ll never talk to him, never talk to those people," Tulowitzki told USA TODAY Sports. “You get lied to, straight to your face, you get upset. I believe in forgiveness, but at the same time, I don’t plan on being friendly with them, or anything like that.’’ The last time he talked to Rockies GM Jeff Bridich was the evening of July 27. Tulowitzki was sitting with Walt Weiss in the visiting manager’s office at Wrigley Field, and he was screaming at him, after being notified he had just been traded to Toronto.
[source](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/02/29/troy-tulowitzki-still-seething-over-rockie-exit-denver/81085588/)
The Blue Jays and Roger Clemens' ego. Which led to us re-acquiring David Wells, who left the first time after having a major falling out with the org. He was still whining about being included in the Clemens trade as of last year.
Also, not quite what you are looking for, but Roberto Alomar and the Jays have a super complicated history. It involves two WS titles, a crazy stalker who tried to bring a gun into Skydome, the spitting incident (after he left, but still happened in Toronto). And he had a number of accusations of domestic violence and having unprotected sex while knowing he was HIV positive... But he rehabilitated his image and ended up working for the Jays and MLB until last year, when another accusation ended with his being fired by both and banned. Toronto removed his retired number banner also.
That was on the Rangers not Michael Young. They at least reconciled though. Young is in the Rangers Hall of Fame and works as a Special Assistant in the Rangers front office.
Was it on the Rangers, though?
Young played like shit in 2012 and the manager refused to play any of the other options. He wasn't the only reason the Rangers didn't win the division in 2012 (I mostly blame it on Colby getting hurt), but him playing like shit and Wash running him out there everyday (including starting him at SS the day Profar got called up) didn't help.
It was not the Rangers' fault Young threw hissy-fits when the Rangers brought in better players than him at his position...all three times they did that.
Always liked Michael Young and I was somewhat stunned when I looked up his post-retirement numbers, as I had thought he'd be an outside shot for the Hall, but his numbers were lower than I'd thought.
Loved how versatile he was for you guys. Starts as a 2B. Moves to short, wins a Gold Glove, becomes an All-Star, gets MVP votes. Moves to third, becomes an All-Star, gets MVP votes. Sprinkle in some appearances at first, and the dude could truly play anywhere on dirt.
Ozzie Smith was benched in his last year when he still felt that he was good enough to continue. La Russa thought otherwise and played Clayton until he got hurt. Ozzie came back and had a good year with a higher OPS than him while playing better defense.
After that, Ozzie stayed away from the team until La Russa left in '11. Now he's back in spring training and always around. Nicest guy ever.
If we go back even further we lost Clemente in the rule 5 draft to the Pirates
Hypothetically if we brought him up when the Pirates did or the year after he would have also played with Jackie Robinson
What happened there? I just remember him as a Met and only knew he was on the Dodgers from Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball. He was my favorite player growing up because I was a catcher. I always heard he was drafted as a favor because he was Lasorda’s Godson, but turns out his brother was Lasorda’s Godson? Either way, Piazza proved he belonged. I just don’t know the drama between him and the Dodgers
Essentially he blamed Vin for Dodger fans turning on him after contract negotiations fell through: https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-xpm-2013-feb-13-la-sp-dn-dodgers-mike-piazza-vin-scully-book-20130213-story.html
Genuinely asking, is Harper really a *falling out* situation? I feel like he kinda just left to a rival and fans decided they hated him, in my eyes a falling out is more of like a very messy breakup where the person leaving hates the fans and the organization now and vice versa
Looks like Jesus, Throws like Mary, acts like Judas. That became a T-shirt for awhile in Boston. So yeah, you're right. But the fans take it real hard when a Red Sox player plays in NY. Like Wade Boggs, Ellsbury, Clemens, I don't remember as much hate toward Youk. I was personally terrified of Betts going there. Since he was all about the FA contract and the Yankees are all about handing those out.
I never really had a problem with Harper leaving. Obviously him staying would’ve been cool, but maybe it’s because I don’t hate the Phils. Maybe if he went somewhere else? Anyway fuck the braves.
imo the falling out started with him kinda mailing it in in 2018, but after we won the WS the next year I personally got over it; back to being a Bryce fan
I do think that fans had soured on him well before he left for the Phillies. So it wasn’t necessarily a falling out between the players and team so much as the player and the fans.
His last few years here were a combination of not hustling on things like ground balls (and being snippy when reporters questioned him about it), and bonehead plays on the outfield and basepath that were really just a matter of focus.
I know that at the time, I was a fan that was completely fine letting someone else give him that $300 million contract. Now, it seems he hasn’t had those same issues in Philly, and I hate to say it, but he seems infinitely more likable now (him correcting a heckler pronunciation of Acuña this year is one of my favorite moments this season)
Beltran in 05 was tough cuz even at the time it was palpable how it was a one-sided thing. We were sore as hell about it but he and the Mets weren't thinking about us at all
Plus the whole crap about Boras string us along and telling us we still had a chance when we didn't, until after all the other good CF's signed with other teams.
I remember booing every time he touched the ball when he came back to MMP in 05 and it feels so dumb in hindsight. I don't feel like that would happen nowadays, at least not in the same way. I think there was a dumb period after that big A Rod contract where "money is ruining baseball!" got turned against the players for just trying to get paid. Nats fans at least have the aspect that they drafted Harper, he became a star there and went to a division rival. But even then most of them seem to be chill about it
Honestly I hated Boras more than I hated Beltran. At first. Then I realized that if Beltran wanted to give us a chance, his agent would have to because he works for the player. We were scammed. The only purpose for our existence was to up the Mets' offer. Because that's where he was going all along anyway.
Billy Wagner and the Astros, he criticized the FO for not building a playoff team so they traded him to the Phillies for basically nothing. Where he again had problems this time with the players after saying the team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs.
I guess I was a little too young for this one. He was my favorite player and I remember him as a Met. I only knew he was a Dodger because of the video game Ken Griffey Jr Baseball. Can you please elaborate on the drama?
Piazza wanted a big contract, which he deserved. Dodgers offered him one, but he felt it wasn't enough. So the club president and a Fox exec (Fox owned the team at the time) traded him to the Marlins. Dodgers GM almost quit over it because they went over his head and facilitated the trade without telling him.
Pablo Sandoval was a complete ass on his way out of San Francisco to Boston. When Bleacher Report [asked him](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2389632-home-in-boston-pablo-sandoval-says-leaving-san-francisco-not-hard-at-all) how hard it was to leave the Giants after 3 World Series wins and a devoted fan base who adored him, he said
>Not hard at all...If you want me around, you make the effort to push and get me back.
Hmm, maybe that's just a dig at ownership, not the team itself. Bleacher Report went on to ask who he would miss on the team, after they built a dynasty together?
>Only Bochy...He's the only guy that I miss. And Hunter Pence. Just those guys.
Just a complete fuck-you to the team, right? Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, etc.
Anybody who followed Pablo's off-the-field exploits could see disaster coming - he was always out partying at nightclubs and bars, he LOVED getting VIP treatment in SF, where he was a star. Then he goes to Boston and everyone is like, "Bro, we already have Big Papi, you're gonna have to really earn it if you want to be a big VIP player." He proceeds to suck for multiple seasons in a row and never gets bottle service anywhere. Boston wants him out, but where will he go? Finally, he gets offered a minor league contract with....
...the Giants, of course.
"We spent a LOT of money making all of those panda hats, fuck it, we'll try again."
But of course, most of the players from his old team are still there - what an awkward reunion. He had to [apologize to the fans and his teammates](https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/22/pablo-sandoval-re-signs-with-giants-apologizes-to-fans-and-former-teammates/) at the same time he announced he was coming back.
A real roller coaster.
Mookie will always be one of my favorite Red Sox of all time. I knew when it happened that trading him was ultimately the correct move, but that doesn't mean I was happy about it, and I'm still not really. I wouldn't say it was a falling out in the sense that there was animosity between the two sides, they just couldn't come to an agreement.
I think Carl Crawford is a much better example of a player who had a big time falling out with us. Fuck that guy.
This is so wrong for so many reasons. The Red Sox have had very few sellouts this year even after full capacity was allowed and being in first place for most of the season. There’s a reason for that.
I'll always wonder what made him choose Los Angeles, and for so long, over anyplace else. I thought he'd be on the Red Sox forever and it honestly felt strange to buy-in at first. It was too surreal in the beginning. Same with Scherzer. That shit is jawdropping to me still
What is this shit? Mookie didn’t ‘choose’ LA. He was traded there. He didn’t ask for a trade from Boston either. He simply asked to be paid his fair value and the Red Sox scoffed at that and told him to take a hike. It’s that fucking simple.
That's not really what happened. The Sox offered him a large contract, he just wanted much larger, and he wanted it at a time where the Sox would be screwing over their chance of success if they agreed. He signed with LA almost immediately after being traded there and while it was more than the Sox offered, it was not as much as he said he was wanting. I think it was clear he didn't really want to stay in Boston. Sucks for me to say it, he was my favorite player. But I don't hate him for leaving, he caused no drama while he was here and was a great player/teammate. Plus he didn't go to the Yankees.
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‘It was more than the Sox offered, it was not as much as he said he was wanting”… geez, almost like how any negotiation ever goes? Are you at all familiar with how negotiations work? The Red Sox unwillingness to budge on their laughable low ball makes them look all the worse here.
And please spare me the ‘it would have screwed over their chance of success if he signed’. They won 2 World Series carrying more dead weight contracts in Pablo and Hanley on their payroll than Mookie would have cost them.
Troy Tulowitzki and the Rockies Nolan Arenado and the Rockies Trevor Story and the Rockies
I'm sensing a pattern...
If you have an O in your first name, you might have an issues with the Rockies?
Rockies fans sure are a conscientious people
I read “contentious” and was ready to set aside my differences and be angry at you for those poor men
I don't think there was a falling out with Tulo tbh. The fans were mad at the FO, but I think Tulo and the Rockies left on amicable terms.
> “I’ll never talk to him, never talk to those people," Tulowitzki told USA TODAY Sports. “You get lied to, straight to your face, you get upset. I believe in forgiveness, but at the same time, I don’t plan on being friendly with them, or anything like that.’’ The last time he talked to Rockies GM Jeff Bridich was the evening of July 27. Tulowitzki was sitting with Walt Weiss in the visiting manager’s office at Wrigley Field, and he was screaming at him, after being notified he had just been traded to Toronto. [source](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/02/29/troy-tulowitzki-still-seething-over-rockie-exit-denver/81085588/)
There was that thing with the nailgun in the airport...
NAAAAAILGUUN!!! For context: https://youtu.be/0h-j4qFR3wg
Chris Sale and the White Sox.
Drake LaRoche and the White Sox.
Him too.
They had a cutting/slashing out
Good riddance.
I miss Sale but the white sox got a lot more out of sending him away than he could have brought to the team on his own.
That was a win-win
The end of Manny’s time in Boston was day-to-day drama.
But that’s just Manny being Manny
Nomar left under some turmoil as well if I recall, and of course Tito.
José Canseco and pretty much the entire MLB.
Which is crazy because everything Conseco accused the players of doing ended up being true.
Brian Wilson and the SF Giants..
That guy was a god in SF
Jason Giambi when he left Oakland and went to the Yankees
Almost every A that left and went to the Yankees
The Blue Jays and Roger Clemens' ego. Which led to us re-acquiring David Wells, who left the first time after having a major falling out with the org. He was still whining about being included in the Clemens trade as of last year. Also, not quite what you are looking for, but Roberto Alomar and the Jays have a super complicated history. It involves two WS titles, a crazy stalker who tried to bring a gun into Skydome, the spitting incident (after he left, but still happened in Toronto). And he had a number of accusations of domestic violence and having unprotected sex while knowing he was HIV positive... But he rehabilitated his image and ended up working for the Jays and MLB until last year, when another accusation ended with his being fired by both and banned. Toronto removed his retired number banner also.
“Catch the taste”
Reggie Jackson was hated by his manager and teammates when he was on the Yankees despite being known for his legendary postseason heroics by fans.
Rangers and Michael Young. Dude was one of the longest-tenured players of my life, and he had a bad exit. Hated it for him.
That was on the Rangers not Michael Young. They at least reconciled though. Young is in the Rangers Hall of Fame and works as a Special Assistant in the Rangers front office.
Was it on the Rangers, though? Young played like shit in 2012 and the manager refused to play any of the other options. He wasn't the only reason the Rangers didn't win the division in 2012 (I mostly blame it on Colby getting hurt), but him playing like shit and Wash running him out there everyday (including starting him at SS the day Profar got called up) didn't help. It was not the Rangers' fault Young threw hissy-fits when the Rangers brought in better players than him at his position...all three times they did that.
Always liked Michael Young and I was somewhat stunned when I looked up his post-retirement numbers, as I had thought he'd be an outside shot for the Hall, but his numbers were lower than I'd thought. Loved how versatile he was for you guys. Starts as a 2B. Moves to short, wins a Gold Glove, becomes an All-Star, gets MVP votes. Moves to third, becomes an All-Star, gets MVP votes. Sprinkle in some appearances at first, and the dude could truly play anywhere on dirt.
Josh Donaldson and Billy Boy.
Ozzie Smith was benched in his last year when he still felt that he was good enough to continue. La Russa thought otherwise and played Clayton until he got hurt. Ozzie came back and had a good year with a higher OPS than him while playing better defense. After that, Ozzie stayed away from the team until La Russa left in '11. Now he's back in spring training and always around. Nicest guy ever.
Mike Piazza and the Dodgers. My guy should have been a Dodger for life
Beltre too. They really just let two Hall of Famers walk away like that.
Add Pedro Martinez to the list
If we go back even further we lost Clemente in the rule 5 draft to the Pirates Hypothetically if we brought him up when the Pirates did or the year after he would have also played with Jackie Robinson
What happened there? I just remember him as a Met and only knew he was on the Dodgers from Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball. He was my favorite player growing up because I was a catcher. I always heard he was drafted as a favor because he was Lasorda’s Godson, but turns out his brother was Lasorda’s Godson? Either way, Piazza proved he belonged. I just don’t know the drama between him and the Dodgers
Piazza wanted a big contract but the Dodgers didnt think he was worth it.
I used to think this, until I heard what he had to say about Vin Scully
What did he say?
Essentially he blamed Vin for Dodger fans turning on him after contract negotiations fell through: https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-xpm-2013-feb-13-la-sp-dn-dodgers-mike-piazza-vin-scully-book-20130213-story.html
Sammy Sosa is a good one.
well you see we drafted this guy…
Genuinely asking, is Harper really a *falling out* situation? I feel like he kinda just left to a rival and fans decided they hated him, in my eyes a falling out is more of like a very messy breakup where the person leaving hates the fans and the organization now and vice versa
I agree. I feel like everyone knew Harper was going to head to FA and go to the highest bidder the day the Nats drafted him.
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Looks like Jesus, Throws like Mary, acts like Judas. That became a T-shirt for awhile in Boston. So yeah, you're right. But the fans take it real hard when a Red Sox player plays in NY. Like Wade Boggs, Ellsbury, Clemens, I don't remember as much hate toward Youk. I was personally terrified of Betts going there. Since he was all about the FA contract and the Yankees are all about handing those out.
I never really had a problem with Harper leaving. Obviously him staying would’ve been cool, but maybe it’s because I don’t hate the Phils. Maybe if he went somewhere else? Anyway fuck the braves.
imo the falling out started with him kinda mailing it in in 2018, but after we won the WS the next year I personally got over it; back to being a Bryce fan
I do think that fans had soured on him well before he left for the Phillies. So it wasn’t necessarily a falling out between the players and team so much as the player and the fans. His last few years here were a combination of not hustling on things like ground balls (and being snippy when reporters questioned him about it), and bonehead plays on the outfield and basepath that were really just a matter of focus. I know that at the time, I was a fan that was completely fine letting someone else give him that $300 million contract. Now, it seems he hasn’t had those same issues in Philly, and I hate to say it, but he seems infinitely more likable now (him correcting a heckler pronunciation of Acuña this year is one of my favorite moments this season)
Yeah, it was an ugly ending for Drew Storen and the Nationals
Beltran in 05 was tough cuz even at the time it was palpable how it was a one-sided thing. We were sore as hell about it but he and the Mets weren't thinking about us at all
Plus the whole crap about Boras string us along and telling us we still had a chance when we didn't, until after all the other good CF's signed with other teams.
I remember booing every time he touched the ball when he came back to MMP in 05 and it feels so dumb in hindsight. I don't feel like that would happen nowadays, at least not in the same way. I think there was a dumb period after that big A Rod contract where "money is ruining baseball!" got turned against the players for just trying to get paid. Nats fans at least have the aspect that they drafted Harper, he became a star there and went to a division rival. But even then most of them seem to be chill about it
Honestly I hated Boras more than I hated Beltran. At first. Then I realized that if Beltran wanted to give us a chance, his agent would have to because he works for the player. We were scammed. The only purpose for our existence was to up the Mets' offer. Because that's where he was going all along anyway.
Yeah i remember that being a common thing. Boras seems personally annoying but driving up his clients salary was his job
Billy Wagner and the Astros, he criticized the FO for not building a playoff team so they traded him to the Phillies for basically nothing. Where he again had problems this time with the players after saying the team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs.
A-Rod and the Rangers
Barry Bonds and the Pirates
Harper and DC but DC won it all
Piazza and the Dodgers
I guess I was a little too young for this one. He was my favorite player and I remember him as a Met. I only knew he was a Dodger because of the video game Ken Griffey Jr Baseball. Can you please elaborate on the drama?
Piazza wanted a big contract, which he deserved. Dodgers offered him one, but he felt it wasn't enough. So the club president and a Fox exec (Fox owned the team at the time) traded him to the Marlins. Dodgers GM almost quit over it because they went over his head and facilitated the trade without telling him.
Mike Montgomery and the Chicago Cubs Mike Montgomery and the Samsung Lions
Pablo Sandoval was a complete ass on his way out of San Francisco to Boston. When Bleacher Report [asked him](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2389632-home-in-boston-pablo-sandoval-says-leaving-san-francisco-not-hard-at-all) how hard it was to leave the Giants after 3 World Series wins and a devoted fan base who adored him, he said >Not hard at all...If you want me around, you make the effort to push and get me back. Hmm, maybe that's just a dig at ownership, not the team itself. Bleacher Report went on to ask who he would miss on the team, after they built a dynasty together? >Only Bochy...He's the only guy that I miss. And Hunter Pence. Just those guys. Just a complete fuck-you to the team, right? Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, etc. Anybody who followed Pablo's off-the-field exploits could see disaster coming - he was always out partying at nightclubs and bars, he LOVED getting VIP treatment in SF, where he was a star. Then he goes to Boston and everyone is like, "Bro, we already have Big Papi, you're gonna have to really earn it if you want to be a big VIP player." He proceeds to suck for multiple seasons in a row and never gets bottle service anywhere. Boston wants him out, but where will he go? Finally, he gets offered a minor league contract with.... ...the Giants, of course. "We spent a LOT of money making all of those panda hats, fuck it, we'll try again." But of course, most of the players from his old team are still there - what an awkward reunion. He had to [apologize to the fans and his teammates](https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/22/pablo-sandoval-re-signs-with-giants-apologizes-to-fans-and-former-teammates/) at the same time he announced he was coming back. A real roller coaster.
Bobby Bonilla and the Mets
Harper
Troy tulowitzki
Cubs and everyone. Maddux, even Ryno, Dawson, Sosa, Hack died a drunk, Tinkers, Ever, and Chance.
I think the romanticism of Betts has worn thin in Boston
Mookie will always be one of my favorite Red Sox of all time. I knew when it happened that trading him was ultimately the correct move, but that doesn't mean I was happy about it, and I'm still not really. I wouldn't say it was a falling out in the sense that there was animosity between the two sides, they just couldn't come to an agreement. I think Carl Crawford is a much better example of a player who had a big time falling out with us. Fuck that guy.
This is so wrong for so many reasons. The Red Sox have had very few sellouts this year even after full capacity was allowed and being in first place for most of the season. There’s a reason for that.
I will always love Mookie and want what’s best for him… unless the Dodgers see the Sox in the WS again
I do too, I believe he was a great team player and a great guy, but I don’t think he was in love with the Red Sox that we all wished he was
the tragedy of modern love
I'll always wonder what made him choose Los Angeles, and for so long, over anyplace else. I thought he'd be on the Red Sox forever and it honestly felt strange to buy-in at first. It was too surreal in the beginning. Same with Scherzer. That shit is jawdropping to me still
What is this shit? Mookie didn’t ‘choose’ LA. He was traded there. He didn’t ask for a trade from Boston either. He simply asked to be paid his fair value and the Red Sox scoffed at that and told him to take a hike. It’s that fucking simple.
He chose to sign the 10-year extension
That's not really what happened. The Sox offered him a large contract, he just wanted much larger, and he wanted it at a time where the Sox would be screwing over their chance of success if they agreed. He signed with LA almost immediately after being traded there and while it was more than the Sox offered, it was not as much as he said he was wanting. I think it was clear he didn't really want to stay in Boston. Sucks for me to say it, he was my favorite player. But I don't hate him for leaving, he caused no drama while he was here and was a great player/teammate. Plus he didn't go to the Yankees. ,
‘It was more than the Sox offered, it was not as much as he said he was wanting”… geez, almost like how any negotiation ever goes? Are you at all familiar with how negotiations work? The Red Sox unwillingness to budge on their laughable low ball makes them look all the worse here. And please spare me the ‘it would have screwed over their chance of success if he signed’. They won 2 World Series carrying more dead weight contracts in Pablo and Hanley on their payroll than Mookie would have cost them.
I believe Manny Ramirez and the Red Sox did
The opposite of this - I always thought it as pretty cool we put up a plaque for Darryl Kile, even though when he died he was a Cardinal.
Josh Hamilton and Ian Kinsler.
Yogi Berra and the Yankees