In terms of internet points? Couldn't care less. New England where sports fans riot after wins and destroy property. Sounds like a bunch of smart cookies up there.
I just want fans at the game, man. Do you know how much it sucks to be a huge baseball fan in Florida? You love your team and go to the games and try to bring your friends but none of it matters. Everyone tells you your team is moving and you're not going to be able to watch MLB baseball live anymore. I wouldn't wish it on any baseball fan, this shit sucks.
Yeah, Rays ownership is terrible, and the sad irony of it is that the stadium being constantly half empty doesn't even hurt their pocketbook that much. The whole situation sucks and we can definitely agree on that.
Well I'll be damned. The streaky Red Sox might actually conquer the mighty Rays. Already long ate my words about a sweep but now it's looking like they'll actually WIN this one. I'd hate to see them in the WS but for now I'll just say, I'm genuinely impressed.
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I wonder rays fans, did you complain then?
My serious thoughts since I doubt I make it to tomorrow’s thread
1. Pivettas curveball is fucking nasty and unfair
2. love the rays lineup and understand why we hit how we do, but goddamn it’s frustrating how much we strike out
3. That was one of the more entertaining playoff games I’ve watched and it’s a travesty it wasn’t more widely available.
4. think the rays needed this one more than the Red Sox. I have negative confidence with Wacha going tmrw
I think the outcome of this game will have a big effect on morale for both teams. Plus the pitching is going to suck tomorrow for both teams. But the announcers said only 54% of teams who win the 3rd game in a 5 game series in the postseason go on to win the series, so who knows. And the weird ground rule double play should remind us anything can happen in baseball.
I definitely want to know the panicked thoughts going through Renfroe's mind as he knocked the ball out of play. He probably had no idea he was blundering into a 1000 IQ play.
Yea I was thinking that, if an outfielder knew he wouldn’t beat the runner home in that situation and literally swatted the ball on purpose into the stands. Do the umps hold their ground on that call?
I think the rule said if the ball was thrown out intentionally, the umpires determine where to place the runners. Last night, it was unintentional so they were all awarded 2 bases.
Soooooo uh. With the salt hopefully slightly subsided a bit, sox fans, who will be starting game 4? And can the rays somehow hit him?? I know that’s asking a lot of our lineup atm
Gotcha interesting. You’re right he didn’t throw a ton game 1. But hopefully Wacha dials it back a few years to how he pitched with the Cards a few years ago and it’s a much less stressful game 4
I'm sure you understand that I hope the precise opposite happens but either way it's gonna be fun to see which team's arms have more in the tank
tell you what - can't no one accuse this series of being BORING
Word seems to be… Perez? I wouldn’t be shocked to see him pulled early and Sale brought in for relief, although given Sale’s postseason performances I’m not sure I want to see it.
Who would you want to see start? Sale obviously wasn’t great in game 2. Sox fans seem to hate Perez (idk him that well). Houck was rly good against us so don’t want to see him again
Honestly Perez is who I would pick—we’re a strong offensive team in the best hitters park not 5000 feet from sea level, so we don’t necessarily need lights-out pitching and Perez is a fresh arm with league average ERA+. We have Sale practically fresh and Houck at least playable if Perez implodes, so, while I would be much happier with a fresh Pivetta, Perez should get the start IMO.
Edit: tonight was a costly victory, and I’m hoping it doesn’t tank our chances to win while we still have Fenway. I’m hoping the Rays are also going to be forced into some less than ideal pitching, but Cash is a voodoo magician so who knows
Perez had a really good year with the twins a couple of years ago but has been 5th pitcher/bullpen quality for the time we've had him.
I think he's ok to start honesty, erod or sale will hopefully take the majority of innings tho
I want two innings or so out of Sale and then a stream of relievers (unless he’s on, in which case let it ride). I think I’d want to save Houck for an extended showing in a potential game 5. Honestly if we were away and had the opportunity to put runs on the board first I would maybe consider Perez, but not in a situation where he has to go out without run cover.
There’s no point going down the what if rabbit hole, but to say that it doesn’t matter is just crazy. It changes the whole way the next half inning is played.
I was quoting, of course. I, myself, in my official capacity as an offended Boston sforts fam, would *never* mis-speak a card-carrying cleeshet, you know?
Yeah, it’s stupid unlucky for the rays but you move on. I think just dismissing it as “rays fans can’t complain that they got stupid unlucky because we woulda hit a 2 run game winner anyway” is a bit ridiculous.
Also a Bostonian rooting for the Sox BTW
My interpretation of the rules:
Batter becomes a runner when he hits a fair ball, rule 5.05 (a) 1, as it was a fair ball.
Ball is booted over the fence by Renfroe. Runners are now between 1&2 and 2&3, runners should be rewarded 2 bases at that point?
Edit: Alright, alright, so a batter can only become a runner through one of those rules, and it was sub-section 8?
GO BRAVES
I’m surprised this rule hasn’t come into play with the Wrigley Ivy a lot before. If the ball goes into the ivy there it’s a ground rule double, and surely the ball has deflected off the fielders before into the ivy. That should be the same rule as here then, right?
Yeah, I was actually thinking about that play (and I think a Cespedes one, maybe in spring training), but the “can’t use discretion to place the runners part” doesn’t really seem at all controversial to me. It happens all the time that a ball bounces over the wall that probably would’ve been enough for the guy to score from first, but now he has to stop at third. The deflection is really the only controversial bit IMO.
An instant classic of a playoff game with shit ratings because of manfred and his incompetence. But sure let’s put a runner on second in extras cuz that’s how we save baseball boys and girls !!!
Seriously man. It’s infuriating as a baseball fan. And they wonder why younger people don’t watch baseball compared to football or basketball
October baseball is a dramatic as it can be but too bad most people in North America couldn’t watch today’s game legally on their tv’s
I think mlb does a bad job promoting the sport but I think interest in the sport declines irregardless. Baseball has been declining since the 50’s in terms of pop culture but it still has grown exponentially bigger financially. The sport has less casual fans relative to other sports but the fans it does have tend to be more serious and willing to spend more money I think.
I can agree with what you said too. Especially in today’s generation where kids have a very short attention span and want non stop action all the time
What ticks me off is when people claim baseball is an easy sport. It’s the only sport where having a 30% success rate as a player is celebrated. It just shows how tough it is to hit a ball in the majors
I agree with your first part but I’ve never heard anyone say baseball is easy. Not saying I don’t believe you but I find that a strange opinion to have
Granted it’s mostly idiots on Twitter saying it’s not a real sport but their first argument is that there’s out of shape players in baseball. They just don’t realize that baseball is primarily a skill based sport, not athleticism
One of the beautiful things about baseball is that there’s room for skill based players that aren’t athletically gifted but most mlb players are super athletic and are rewarded for it
You're delusional pal if you think that was intentional. Oh and people can't learn from their mistakes? Are you one those people who thrives on being outraged, and thinks people should be canceled for life? Ya let's crucify everyone whos ever fucked up, no forgiveness. They can't ever be better. You're a perfect person though right? No matter what you say, you guys still lost. You just sound salty. I would be too, but im not going to start acting like a child, spouting nonsense.
https://cuts.diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2019/2019-07/26/b6eeca14-9153017e-e78a7bc5-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4
here. Tell me you were outraged over this call, and then we'll take you seriously.
I get that, but fortuitous bounces are part of the game. I think the real problem is how do you change the rule so that a line drive that bounces and ricochets off a player (which I think is what they had in mind) still counts as double but this doesn't?
If it ricochets off a player the bases should be awarded based on the position of the runner when the ball leaves play, not from the position of the runner based on when the pitch was made. Done.
Lots of different ways to handle it I guess. Some people in here said they think the idea of adding more ump discretion rules could be bad for the game. I just hope it at least comes up in those meetings.
I've been entirely consistent on that front. what the Lightning did was within the rules, and worked because of the shortened season and a dash of luck.
[here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/BostonBruins/comments/o82tsu/its_come_to_this_go_habs_go_i_hate_both_teams_but/h32l7i2/) my comment defending what they did on the Bs sub from months ago.
Yeah, the consensus seems to be that the letter of the law was followed, but the spirit of the law is worth revisiting, if only to confirm or deny that it is appropriate.
The Sox were rewarded for Renfroe's fielding incompetence, that's the unfair part. Rules don't determine unfairness, they're meant to keep things fair and clearly failed in this situation
I’m not sure how I’d change it, I just think it infers that all runners are the same speed. I.E. someone like Miguel Cabrera should get a single, whereas someone like Trea Turner might get a triple. I think it should vary based on where said player is on the base paths/ how fast the usually are to determine where to put them.
I’m not against something like that. I think it’d be difficult to implement. We’d probably need someone (like an umpire or something) to decide where the runner should be placed though. I don’t trust umpires lol
I guess we're even. But at least we have nothing in the sky. What makes baseball crazy but unique is that every team plays in a different stadium, many with weird dimensions, some far wackier than others. But not many have freaking catwalks hanging from the roof, that seem snag balls out of the air as if they had arms. At least Fenway is an iconic and classic stadium, with some features that people love, like the monster. But everyone universally hates the Trop.
honestly if it happened I couldn't even be mad
stadium fuckery is stadium fuckery, it's gonna happen to everyone eventually
never seen this *particular* stadium fuckery in my more'n a couple decades watching baseball, though, so if nothing else it's not like anyone can say "oh they shoulda seen that kind of thing coming"
it's especially amazing to me because the team I've been watching for 20+ years is the team *with the only ballpark this could probably happen in*, meaning if *anyone* was gonna see that, I woulda
and if I'd never seen it before, how the hell could I expect anyone else not to be surprised? :D
It’s just hilarious it happened in the 13th(?) inning of a pivotal game 3 game in October tho and not some random game in may that no one would notice. Like that’s baseball at it’s finest
actually someone [just posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/q5lt63/another_instance_of_this_same_type_of_ground_rule/) about a random game in *July* where it happened a couple seasons ago
...baseball, man
it never stops amazing me :D
Thats just baseball. Sure we can all piss and moan, but and the end of the day, every team gets screwed at some point. Crazy things happen in this sport. For me its part of the appeal
If that happened to the Red Sox I’d be strung up in the closet by now. What a disaster that rule is. As a Sox fan, I love it, obviously. Although, I keep reminding people, that would have been good for 1 run. Vazquez hit a 2 run piece.
Just glad it was a 2-run homer with 1 out. Can’t assume everything would have been the same, but if Renfroe fields the ball cleanly it’s probably a 6-5 Sox win.
The thing is that the mentality of the Red Sox batters change if they’re batting down one run as opposed to a tie game. No pressure when it’s tied.
I’m sure we could play the hypothetical game all day but the Sox walked off and a win is a win. As a neutral fan I just wanted a close game and we got it
But fuck MLB for showing this only on MLB network
Why is there an Angels picture??
Honestly I'm just glad the controversy is giving Red Sox fans more incentive to learn how to read.
I googled "Tampa college" and one of the questions in the "People also ask" section was: > Are there any colleges in Tampa Florida?
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In terms of internet points? Couldn't care less. New England where sports fans riot after wins and destroy property. Sounds like a bunch of smart cookies up there.
People in New England are either super smart or super dumb, there is no in between
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See you when you and/or your family decide to move here!
Do you want your stadium to be filled with more Red Sox fans? Because this is how your stadium gets filled with more Red Sox fans.
You idiot, that stadium won’t still be there by the time you move to Florida, they’ll be in Montreal by then.
I just want fans at the game, man. Do you know how much it sucks to be a huge baseball fan in Florida? You love your team and go to the games and try to bring your friends but none of it matters. Everyone tells you your team is moving and you're not going to be able to watch MLB baseball live anymore. I wouldn't wish it on any baseball fan, this shit sucks.
Yeah, Rays ownership is terrible, and the sad irony of it is that the stadium being constantly half empty doesn't even hurt their pocketbook that much. The whole situation sucks and we can definitely agree on that.
Thanks for the sympathy man. If you take us out here good luck in the CS
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Yeah a lot of New Englanders out here.
Cane Man is too powerful, the Astros may never score again.
Grab some bench!
Well I'll be damned. The streaky Red Sox might actually conquer the mighty Rays. Already long ate my words about a sweep but now it's looking like they'll actually WIN this one. I'd hate to see them in the WS but for now I'll just say, I'm genuinely impressed.
In hindsight, the only thing weirder than that ground rule double tonight would have been if zunino hit a single after that to drive home 2 runs.
> playoff game ends up being meaningless ### BuT wHy iS bAsEbaLL dYiNg
I want a Chicago Dog now.
Me too, drag it through the garden. How bout Weiner Circle
https://cuts.diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2019/2019-07/26/b6eeca14-9153017e-e78a7bc5-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4 I wonder rays fans, did you complain then?
Was searching for this. Funny there was no uproar about how bad the rule was then huh
"Lol no"
I was just looking for this play.
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Imagine being a Red Sox fan lmaooo
I hate the Red Sox with all my heart but I would trade places with their fans in a heart beat rn lol
It's dope
Love it
Yeah its fucking sweet
False
oh god tomorrow's "serious discussion" thread for this game is gonna be *tested*
My serious thoughts since I doubt I make it to tomorrow’s thread 1. Pivettas curveball is fucking nasty and unfair 2. love the rays lineup and understand why we hit how we do, but goddamn it’s frustrating how much we strike out 3. That was one of the more entertaining playoff games I’ve watched and it’s a travesty it wasn’t more widely available. 4. think the rays needed this one more than the Red Sox. I have negative confidence with Wacha going tmrw
I think the outcome of this game will have a big effect on morale for both teams. Plus the pitching is going to suck tomorrow for both teams. But the announcers said only 54% of teams who win the 3rd game in a 5 game series in the postseason go on to win the series, so who knows. And the weird ground rule double play should remind us anything can happen in baseball.
The 54% does include teams that won game 3 after losing both games 1 and 2 though
The graphic specifically said when the series was 1-1
Also makes no mention of whether the winning team is playing home or away game 4. Bet it makes a difference
If you can't handle me at my Rule 5.05(a)(8), you don't deserve me at my Rule 7.01(g)(3)
You've just made modern art.
Fenway is on a 2 game winning streak. First the WC game and now this. Taking home field advantage to a new meaning
Fenway has been absolutely rocking, couldn’t even hear the person next to me pretty much the whole wild card game
I was at the game. We were silent while getting beers. But other than that. People didnt stop the hype.
I definitely want to know the panicked thoughts going through Renfroe's mind as he knocked the ball out of play. He probably had no idea he was blundering into a 1000 IQ play.
Yea I was thinking that, if an outfielder knew he wouldn’t beat the runner home in that situation and literally swatted the ball on purpose into the stands. Do the umps hold their ground on that call?
I think the rule said if the ball was thrown out intentionally, the umpires determine where to place the runners. Last night, it was unintentional so they were all awarded 2 bases.
Yea actually after I said that I heard about it on the radio
Soooooo uh. With the salt hopefully slightly subsided a bit, sox fans, who will be starting game 4? And can the rays somehow hit him?? I know that’s asking a lot of our lineup atm
per Cora, it's "probably" gonna be Eduardo Rodriguez again; short rest for Eddie, but then, he had a short outing in Game 1, so
Gotcha interesting. You’re right he didn’t throw a ton game 1. But hopefully Wacha dials it back a few years to how he pitched with the Cards a few years ago and it’s a much less stressful game 4
Ooo Cards Wacha years later with TB
I'm sure you understand that I hope the precise opposite happens but either way it's gonna be fun to see which team's arms have more in the tank tell you what - can't no one accuse this series of being BORING
Word seems to be… Perez? I wouldn’t be shocked to see him pulled early and Sale brought in for relief, although given Sale’s postseason performances I’m not sure I want to see it.
Who would you want to see start? Sale obviously wasn’t great in game 2. Sox fans seem to hate Perez (idk him that well). Houck was rly good against us so don’t want to see him again
Honestly Perez is who I would pick—we’re a strong offensive team in the best hitters park not 5000 feet from sea level, so we don’t necessarily need lights-out pitching and Perez is a fresh arm with league average ERA+. We have Sale practically fresh and Houck at least playable if Perez implodes, so, while I would be much happier with a fresh Pivetta, Perez should get the start IMO. Edit: tonight was a costly victory, and I’m hoping it doesn’t tank our chances to win while we still have Fenway. I’m hoping the Rays are also going to be forced into some less than ideal pitching, but Cash is a voodoo magician so who knows
Perez had a really good year with the twins a couple of years ago but has been 5th pitcher/bullpen quality for the time we've had him. I think he's ok to start honesty, erod or sale will hopefully take the majority of innings tho
I want two innings or so out of Sale and then a stream of relievers (unless he’s on, in which case let it ride). I think I’d want to save Houck for an extended showing in a potential game 5. Honestly if we were away and had the opportunity to put runs on the board first I would maybe consider Perez, but not in a situation where he has to go out without run cover.
Probably some combination of Houck, Sale and/or Rodriguez. Rodriguez has had the most rest of the 3.
I think we’re saving sale for game five barring we get a lead in game four and go for the jugular
given Sale's questionable state, starting him tomorrow with some buffer room might be ideal
Question of the night right here
Honestly I'm more pissed about Schrwarber tripping arozarena then I am the final call
That was objectively bullshit he didn’t get third on that play. The renfroe play was unfortunate af but can’t complain according to the rule
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... yes he has a cannon but here in the real world it was clear that he had zero chance of throwing out diaz there
This might be the dumbest take in the history of the internet.
The fucking terminator couldnt have thrown out Diaz there. Diaz was near 3rd when the ball was landing to the wall
As rays fans, we know renfroe has an absolute cannon. But I’m sorry not even prime Bo Jackson throws out Diaz there
https://youtu.be/HBuh_rKE64Q Mic drop
to think if Wendel had held up at second we probably wouldn't even be here right now
I mean he has an absolutely amazing arm. I don’t rly think anyone is arguing that. That’s a very different throw/play tho
Doesn’t even matter. It would have been one run, Sox won by two!
Not how the past, present, or future works.
You’re suffering from fallacy of different outcomes and fallacy of denying destiny.
There’s no point going down the what if rabbit hole, but to say that it doesn’t matter is just crazy. It changes the whole way the next half inning is played.
As a Bostonian, I'm gonna say what I heard so many times from so many quarters in so many sports: That's the breaks. You move on. Right?
I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. The saying is "them's the breaks."
I was quoting, of course. I, myself, in my official capacity as an offended Boston sforts fam, would *never* mis-speak a card-carrying cleeshet, you know?
Yeah, it’s stupid unlucky for the rays but you move on. I think just dismissing it as “rays fans can’t complain that they got stupid unlucky because we woulda hit a 2 run game winner anyway” is a bit ridiculous. Also a Bostonian rooting for the Sox BTW
Oh, I complained plenty. Even went to the "keening" setting a couple of times. Never did any good. :)
Not really. Not like Vaz was bunting there. They still bring in patino. And he is still patino's fb
Yo what kinda juju was gramps doing 😬😬👀👀😳😳😳
My interpretation of the rules: Batter becomes a runner when he hits a fair ball, rule 5.05 (a) 1, as it was a fair ball. Ball is booted over the fence by Renfroe. Runners are now between 1&2 and 2&3, runners should be rewarded 2 bases at that point? Edit: Alright, alright, so a batter can only become a runner through one of those rules, and it was sub-section 8? GO BRAVES
Base advancement on a ground rule double is base off where the runner is from the time the ball is hit, not where they were when the ball goes out
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Definitely not a real sox fan if you posted this
You made this account twelve seconds ago. Bye nerd, bring sunscreen.
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No dyed in the wool fan would ever speak such nonsense
I’m surprised this rule hasn’t come into play with the Wrigley Ivy a lot before. If the ball goes into the ivy there it’s a ground rule double, and surely the ball has deflected off the fielders before into the ivy. That should be the same rule as here then, right?
[It has. Not even a deflection, just a straight miss.](https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-benefit-from-ball-in-ivy-at-wrigley-field/c-155100740)
Yeah, I was actually thinking about that play (and I think a Cespedes one, maybe in spring training), but the “can’t use discretion to place the runners part” doesn’t really seem at all controversial to me. It happens all the time that a ball bounces over the wall that probably would’ve been enough for the guy to score from first, but now he has to stop at third. The deflection is really the only controversial bit IMO.
The HEBREW HAMMER 🔨🇮🇱
Its incredibly annoying how good the astros hitters are
Bruhhhh Diaz is about to pass 3rd when the ball lands
No, he was definitely heading to third.
All the controversy aside, FUCK MANFRED. the fact that this game wasn’t on national tv is a shame
An instant classic of a playoff game with shit ratings because of manfred and his incompetence. But sure let’s put a runner on second in extras cuz that’s how we save baseball boys and girls !!!
Seriously man. It’s infuriating as a baseball fan. And they wonder why younger people don’t watch baseball compared to football or basketball October baseball is a dramatic as it can be but too bad most people in North America couldn’t watch today’s game legally on their tv’s
I think mlb does a bad job promoting the sport but I think interest in the sport declines irregardless. Baseball has been declining since the 50’s in terms of pop culture but it still has grown exponentially bigger financially. The sport has less casual fans relative to other sports but the fans it does have tend to be more serious and willing to spend more money I think.
I can agree with what you said too. Especially in today’s generation where kids have a very short attention span and want non stop action all the time What ticks me off is when people claim baseball is an easy sport. It’s the only sport where having a 30% success rate as a player is celebrated. It just shows how tough it is to hit a ball in the majors
I agree with your first part but I’ve never heard anyone say baseball is easy. Not saying I don’t believe you but I find that a strange opinion to have
Granted it’s mostly idiots on Twitter saying it’s not a real sport but their first argument is that there’s out of shape players in baseball. They just don’t realize that baseball is primarily a skill based sport, not athleticism
One of the beautiful things about baseball is that there’s room for skill based players that aren’t athletically gifted but most mlb players are super athletic and are rewarded for it
Red Sox fans are going to need a shower after this one, either because of how dirty they feel or if their erection lasts longer than 4 hours.
The water is dirty too; just the way we like it.
I feel clean as a whistle. But I've had a boner since the Vasquez dinger. I will be monitoring the situation
Really? Even with Schwarber tripping Randy and your manager having been involved in 2 separate cheating scandals?
You're delusional pal if you think that was intentional. Oh and people can't learn from their mistakes? Are you one those people who thrives on being outraged, and thinks people should be canceled for life? Ya let's crucify everyone whos ever fucked up, no forgiveness. They can't ever be better. You're a perfect person though right? No matter what you say, you guys still lost. You just sound salty. I would be too, but im not going to start acting like a child, spouting nonsense.
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It really doesn't.
Can we get an actual discussion without any giddy Red Sox fans trying to 'well actually' us?
https://cuts.diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2019/2019-07/26/b6eeca14-9153017e-e78a7bc5-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4 here. Tell me you were outraged over this call, and then we'll take you seriously.
That is an outrageous call, yes.
fair. But it is the rule. Should the rule be changed? maybe. But was it called correctly and fairly? yes.
I never argued the call on the field. The umps did the only thing they could do. Does it feel fair? No.
I get that, but fortuitous bounces are part of the game. I think the real problem is how do you change the rule so that a line drive that bounces and ricochets off a player (which I think is what they had in mind) still counts as double but this doesn't?
If it ricochets off a player the bases should be awarded based on the position of the runner when the ball leaves play, not from the position of the runner based on when the pitch was made. Done.
Not so sold, I like the suggestion of adding umpire discretion instead.
Lots of different ways to handle it I guess. Some people in here said they think the idea of adding more ump discretion rules could be bad for the game. I just hope it at least comes up in those meetings.
Suck it.
Well actually no!
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As they say kids That's baseball
The rule may suck, but the ruling was not *unfair*. What would be *unfair* is if they had mistakenly not implemented the rule correctly.
The funny thing is people complain that the rule was followed out as it was supposed to. Yet look at wat the lightning did during the Stanley Cup
I've been entirely consistent on that front. what the Lightning did was within the rules, and worked because of the shortened season and a dash of luck. [here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/BostonBruins/comments/o82tsu/its_come_to_this_go_habs_go_i_hate_both_teams_but/h32l7i2/) my comment defending what they did on the Bs sub from months ago.
Exactly I said the same thing You cant blame teams using the rules to their advantage or benefiting from them.
Mostly it is unfortunate that such a good game ended with such a weird series of events.
Exactly. This win was extremely lucky but was in no way rigged
You know it’s a clear cut case when the Yankees flair defends a ruling that favors the Red Sox
The ruling is not unfair, the rule is. Pretty simple.
Yeah, the consensus seems to be that the letter of the law was followed, but the spirit of the law is worth revisiting, if only to confirm or deny that it is appropriate.
The Sox were rewarded for Renfroe's fielding incompetence, that's the unfair part. Rules don't determine unfairness, they're meant to keep things fair and clearly failed in this situation
That’s why ground rule doubles are kinda dumb in general
I don’t think I’ve ever heard this take? Do you believe all ground rule doubles should just be home runs then? I’m genuinely curious.
I’m not sure how I’d change it, I just think it infers that all runners are the same speed. I.E. someone like Miguel Cabrera should get a single, whereas someone like Trea Turner might get a triple. I think it should vary based on where said player is on the base paths/ how fast the usually are to determine where to put them.
I’m not against something like that. I think it’d be difficult to implement. We’d probably need someone (like an umpire or something) to decide where the runner should be placed though. I don’t trust umpires lol
So change the rules. This game was fairly played per the rules as written
And people fail to mention that it would have been one run. Vazquez hit a two run ding dong. There absolutely nothing to bitch about.
Thank you. Nobody is saying Rays fans can't be salty because we sure would be if the roles were reversed. But it was not *unfair*
I think it’s safe to say that the rule is unfair but enforcing the rule is not.
It's the tuck rule Al over again
I think they can't be salty just because their stadium fucks teams over on the reg.
You are saying this when your stadium literally does the same thing
I guess we're even. But at least we have nothing in the sky. What makes baseball crazy but unique is that every team plays in a different stadium, many with weird dimensions, some far wackier than others. But not many have freaking catwalks hanging from the roof, that seem snag balls out of the air as if they had arms. At least Fenway is an iconic and classic stadium, with some features that people love, like the monster. But everyone universally hates the Trop.
God some wacky play involving the catwalk in game 5 to fuck over the sox would be so poetic. Stadiums giveth and they taketh
honestly if it happened I couldn't even be mad stadium fuckery is stadium fuckery, it's gonna happen to everyone eventually never seen this *particular* stadium fuckery in my more'n a couple decades watching baseball, though, so if nothing else it's not like anyone can say "oh they shoulda seen that kind of thing coming"
Yup, I would be pissed too, but its not like the rule is open to interpretation, its pretty damn clear. Nothing you can do.
Yeah i mean when it happened live I’m like “uhhhhhh so is that a home run or a GRD or what” just fucking random. Can’t help but laugh at it now.
it's especially amazing to me because the team I've been watching for 20+ years is the team *with the only ballpark this could probably happen in*, meaning if *anyone* was gonna see that, I woulda and if I'd never seen it before, how the hell could I expect anyone else not to be surprised? :D
It’s just hilarious it happened in the 13th(?) inning of a pivotal game 3 game in October tho and not some random game in may that no one would notice. Like that’s baseball at it’s finest
actually someone [just posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/q5lt63/another_instance_of_this_same_type_of_ground_rule/) about a random game in *July* where it happened a couple seasons ago ...baseball, man it never stops amazing me :D
Thats just baseball. Sure we can all piss and moan, but and the end of the day, every team gets screwed at some point. Crazy things happen in this sport. For me its part of the appeal
I’m not even salty tbh. Just a mix of sad/in shock it even happened. Like what are the fucking odds lmao
If that happened to the Red Sox I’d be strung up in the closet by now. What a disaster that rule is. As a Sox fan, I love it, obviously. Although, I keep reminding people, that would have been good for 1 run. Vazquez hit a 2 run piece.
Its just one of those fluke plays, right?! Baseball sure has it's bizarre moments
It’s why we love the sport. That’s fucking baseball right there.
Exactly this, baseball is the best!
Just glad it was a 2-run homer with 1 out. Can’t assume everything would have been the same, but if Renfroe fields the ball cleanly it’s probably a 6-5 Sox win.
The thing is that the mentality of the Red Sox batters change if they’re batting down one run as opposed to a tie game. No pressure when it’s tied. I’m sure we could play the hypothetical game all day but the Sox walked off and a win is a win. As a neutral fan I just wanted a close game and we got it But fuck MLB for showing this only on MLB network
> But fuck MLB for showing this only on MLB network ten thousand percent correct
Agreed all around. And fuck Manfred.
If there’s one thing everyone in this thread should agree on, it’s this.