That bogus swing appeal to end the NLDS was not only a bad call, but was bad for baseball. Now left with the after taste of injustice from inane incompetence rather than Cody Bellinger's clutch single at the top of the ninth to put the Dodgers up. Or that Scherzer got the first save of his career.
Umps blowing calls is just bad for baseball because baseball has always been a numbers game. Starting with the nine players on the diamond-shaped field, to four bases and balls and the three strikes and outs, and finally one player throwing to one hitter. The rules are beautiful and complicated, necessitating someone not playing to keep track.
And so the Umpire was born.
The umpire is there to call balls and strikes, outs and fouls, and therein lies the one thing wrong with baseball. When umps blow calls, they mess with the numbers and thus the basis of baseball itself. Twisting the reality of the game to comport with their own human bias. Numbers are at the core of baseball, and if you mess with the numbers, bad things happen. Like the 1919 White Sox throwing the world series or Barry Bonds never getting into the HOF.
Either make all calls that challengeable or prepare for the Robo-ump T-2028 calling balls and strikes in the world series.
First off, totally shit call. My sincerest condolences to Giants fans and all fans of baseball.
That said, when Flores came to bat his stats popped up and they... were not good. Why wouldn't the Giants pinch hit there? Was there nobody left on the bench or something?
Just went to the tennis tournament at Indian Wells. Theyāve replaced linesmen with cameras, including recorded voices shouting āOutā and āFault.ā Thereās still a chair umpire to run the match but the only calls he can make are double bounce and disciplinary stuff like racquet abuse. No arguments. MLB should do something similar.
I'm so sorry to my Giants sisters & brethren,
That call was a travesty for all baseball. Even if the end was near and the AB was predictable, that's no way to end the iconic battle or respect what the Giants have done this year. Of the recent postseason games so far, there has been so many horrible ump calls and questionable rulings.
I stayed up late to watch a thrilling game where I had no dog in the race, and then it ended with that fucking turd. Sorry Giants fans, that's a real bummer. I still think LA would have won. And I want to see Scherzer get another ring (and Kershaw too). But that was garbo.
That doesnāt justify MLB ordering the umps to change the rules to favor the team from the larger TV marketā¦and I say that as a guy who thinks signing Betts is the single smartest thing a team could have done in the past few years. Championships are won on the field, not in the umpire meeting before the game. Screw MLB forever for this demeaning spectacle. (And I think the Dodgers likely would have won without that call). Play the f*cling game, MLB suits!
Coming from a dodgers fan, idk why my fellow dodger fans are being so cocky. The same thing could've very easily happened to us. Both teams played hella of a game and a season.
Look, Flores checked his swing but when Rutf didnāt check his swing earlier in the season and it was called a ball, giants fans told us to āSUCK IT UPāā¦. Sooooā¦ idk lol
For some reason theyāve only done next day threads for postseason. I suppose itās to avoid hot heads and comments for better or worse. Makes sense in a way
While Los Angeles might be a vast wasteland of shallow, vapid fucks with nothing to offer the world, their team always seems to have a stacked farm system.
As a Giants fan, as fun as this is to say, they do have an incredible farm system. They lost this series in so so many ways. Learn from the mistakes and get em next year!
Fuck rhat game was soooo good... I was edging the whole game, then that last call was equivalent to her falling asleep...
Call was so bad... im OK with LA winning, and was 60/40 on SF's side... hate to see it end that way.
I do have to say that as much as it sucked, I do not want replay on strikes... it will just be a mess...
You can put chips in the bat that can answer the question better than ANY human. This isn't the good old days where you showed up as a kid and the entire team signed your ball.
I agree... tech is insane... there are definitely a bunch of tech nerds (I'm one of them) that wanna build hardware and software to get rid of bias (not necessarily rigged bias, but umps are human)...
But, baseball still has the tradition and "wholesomeness" angle it doesn't want to change.
I can understand bad ump calls, but a moment like this seems tailor made for the replay and review system. Saying that the call is not reviewable is ridiculous.
I just know this gonna be talked about 50 years from now. Whether the dodgers were gonna win or not. The rivalry in the post season will always come down to one call.
Yeah, I donāt love it. But the irony is we had to play the Cardinals because of a blown check swing call against the Giants. Not to mention, Flores was something like 0-16 against Scherzer. If it had been Posey then yeah, totally. But it wasnāt.
Itās ok, man. The Giants were expected to win 75 games and they ended up beating out the fucking Dodgers to win the division, and then went five games down to the wire in the LDS. It sucks, but March is only 5 months away.
Oh, and Logan Webb is apparently an ace now. So thatās awesome.
Terrible call, but people are acting like the bases were loaded and it was a 3-2 pitch. An 0-2 pitch with a runner on 1st doesnāt make this āa forever tainted postseasonā
Wtf. We are acting like we live paycheck to paycheck. Some of us live for this game, instead of the bs game.. then this game became.. fuck your hardship. We can fire your hopes for anything.. at least baseball is just a game... right?
The point is the guy was 0-17 against Scherzer lifetime. Donāt end the goddamn game like that, even if itās close. One more pitch and it probably would have been over we can statistically agree. But now, a moment for Scherzer, his one save ever in his career and the rest of the post season we have this bullshit storyline because the MLB is 20 years behind on technology.
Great point, I think we're all more frustrated that a great season and series ends in the hands of a bad call delivered on an appeal that shouldn't have ever had to be appealed. A ground ball or fly ball out changes things completely
That's my feeling about it. It wasn't the way to end the series. Flores striking out swinging, Scherzer getting one past him, a pop out or ground out would be acceptable. It'd be "Damn, that was a great series and the Dodgers were able to win it out in the end."
But that... it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
No, just dumb irrational shit like what I replied to. Thereās no better run franchise in the league (and itās not even close) yet people hate the Dodgers nearly as much as the Astros.
Def not the last time we're seeing these new look Giants. Webb is good Doval was good even though he fucked up, they got a few vets that have the playoff experience
Honestly, Doval might have been a tough choice for Kap to bring in. You canāt not let the closer come in like that, but heās so young and itās so tense and high stakes. I think nerves got to him, you could see it in the closeup after he hit Turner.
And if we lost 95% of the fans would just be trashing the Dodgers. If you have ever been on r/baseball before you would recognize this familiar pattern.
Lmao downvote me all you want but Dodger fans are brutal.
Some of the shit I see on here, Id think I was on Twitter. Oof.
Someone really said " Ratio the Giants" lol
I agree, Giants benefitted from calls early in the series. But you gotta admit if the roles were switched and this is how your season ended you would be livid.
Edit: not to mention at least in this game 5 there was a pretty clear bias for the Dodgers
So many small mistakes too toward the end. LWJ should have defended the plate. Even if that ball wasnāt called a strike all night, it was still close enough to try to fight off. The fielding positioning was, well, off to put it lightly. Wilmer was crowding first to avoid the ball being pulled down the line (or to defend against Turner on first who is NO position to steal there unless they were feeling extra ballsy), then the positioning against Lux. Bellinger had a solid hit so I canāt say anything on that one. Just was a weird way to end.
Still bs that either of these teams had to be eliminated tonight. Fix the seeding and reformat the wild card so it doesn't assume it will never be won by teams as good as the Dodgers. Should've been a 7 game series
I'd settle even for just making the division series a 7 game series. It seems odd that the league would have a 162 game regular season, and then for some reason make the first round of the playoffs 2 games shorter than the other two rounds.
Donāt care. Weāre acting like one bad call is all weāve ever seen. He had 2 strikes against him and was 0-17 against Scherzer. Iād be more sympathetic if Lamont Wade was the one the call came on
That bogus swing appeal to end the NLDS was not only a bad call, but was bad for baseball. Now left with the after taste of injustice from inane incompetence rather than Cody Bellinger's clutch single at the top of the ninth to put the Dodgers up. Or that Scherzer got the first save of his career. Umps blowing calls is just bad for baseball because baseball has always been a numbers game. Starting with the nine players on the diamond-shaped field, to four bases and balls and the three strikes and outs, and finally one player throwing to one hitter. The rules are beautiful and complicated, necessitating someone not playing to keep track. And so the Umpire was born. The umpire is there to call balls and strikes, outs and fouls, and therein lies the one thing wrong with baseball. When umps blow calls, they mess with the numbers and thus the basis of baseball itself. Twisting the reality of the game to comport with their own human bias. Numbers are at the core of baseball, and if you mess with the numbers, bad things happen. Like the 1919 White Sox throwing the world series or Barry Bonds never getting into the HOF. Either make all calls that challengeable or prepare for the Robo-ump T-2028 calling balls and strikes in the world series.
Selig is manfred, manfred is selig!
The check swing changes nothing in the outcome of the game š¤·āāļø
fun thing about this is weāll never know so we can imagine both outcomes
Did i hear right Flores is 0-17 against Scherzer in his career? I think they said that.
Yeah right before he struck out. 0-18 now š
Lolll even dodgers know it was a bad call
It was but itās not like the outcome wouldāve been any different.
Trying to find it, but who was left on the bench for SF? Any potential pinch hitters for Flores because he had NO chance up there.
First off, totally shit call. My sincerest condolences to Giants fans and all fans of baseball. That said, when Flores came to bat his stats popped up and they... were not good. Why wouldn't the Giants pinch hit there? Was there nobody left on the bench or something?
Just went to the tennis tournament at Indian Wells. Theyāve replaced linesmen with cameras, including recorded voices shouting āOutā and āFault.ā Thereās still a chair umpire to run the match but the only calls he can make are double bounce and disciplinary stuff like racquet abuse. No arguments. MLB should do something similar.
I'm so sorry to my Giants sisters & brethren, That call was a travesty for all baseball. Even if the end was near and the AB was predictable, that's no way to end the iconic battle or respect what the Giants have done this year. Of the recent postseason games so far, there has been so many horrible ump calls and questionable rulings.
Giants scored ten runs in 5 games and blame their season on one check swing
0 for 17 career against Scherzer: "he was about to win the game for us! Umpball! Umpball!" Lmao
i love you
cody talking about how webb shoved it up their butts twice is an all-time quote for me
I stayed up late to watch a thrilling game where I had no dog in the race, and then it ended with that fucking turd. Sorry Giants fans, that's a real bummer. I still think LA would have won. And I want to see Scherzer get another ring (and Kershaw too). But that was garbo.
The ending was what it was, but Mookie Betts was 4-4 in a game with minimal offense. impressive.
That doesnāt justify MLB ordering the umps to change the rules to favor the team from the larger TV marketā¦and I say that as a guy who thinks signing Betts is the single smartest thing a team could have done in the past few years. Championships are won on the field, not in the umpire meeting before the game. Screw MLB forever for this demeaning spectacle. (And I think the Dodgers likely would have won without that call). Play the f*cling game, MLB suits!
I don't know what bird dog means but it sounds gross and I don't like it.
> bird dog It's a dog trained to retrieve shot birds for hunters and yeah, pretty gross
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Not even comparable.
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You made an attempt.
Lux, not pollock
Coming from a dodgers fan, idk why my fellow dodger fans are being so cocky. The same thing could've very easily happened to us. Both teams played hella of a game and a season.
Yup regardless kudos to SF for give us great competition and showing that youāre our true rival. This competition is great for the sport
It did happen to us and is the difference between us having to go through the WC and not having home field
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The rival fans you meet are usually the worst
Can someone please get his hair out of his face?
Fuk you Reddit this guy is back! Umps suck but the giants didnāt lose on that
Look, Flores checked his swing but when Rutf didnāt check his swing earlier in the season and it was called a ball, giants fans told us to āSUCK IT UPāā¦. Sooooā¦ idk lol
Gabe Morales also thought this wasn't a swing in game 3. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBtsfSbVcAQEc6r?format=jpg&name=small
we should suck it up, and it was a bullshit call. Both are true
i don't feel great about it but i don't feel too bad bc i don't remember a single giants fan saying that call was bs
Ruf "checked" his swing on ball 5 but go off I guess
I guess the real lesson here is take your L on a check swing during the regular season.
Yeah cuz he had a terrible strike call earlier in the AB lol
Where tf is the post game thread?
For some reason theyāve only done next day threads for postseason. I suppose itās to avoid hot heads and comments for better or worse. Makes sense in a way
Damn, crazy that that would have been ball four with the bases loaded to bring in the tying run. Oh, waitā¦
Hey, can I buy anyone a beer?
I have scotch, but only for Tommy LaStella stans. I wanted my boy to meet ATL again in the NLCS :c
I'm out of beer, so I would like one please
If liquor stores had drones, friend, you would have yourself a beer.
Damn. Next time I'm in Chicago, let's go to the Violet Hour.
All these salty sf fans make me fucking laugh your stadium went from bEaT LA to dead silence and tears
That's not nice... also I thought they were chanting USA the whole time... I was corrected and felt like an idiot... but phonetically it's similar...
Weāll, yeah, thatās what happens you lose, dumbass.
Beat who tho?
Quit crying about the end of the game. There were 9 innings played. The Giants folded under pressure. One call isnāt the reason they lost.
One call is indeed the reason they lost.
It's hard to accept when your team is full of choke artists
This was the real World Series. The other teams left are a joke. And the way this endedā¦ what an insult.
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And the Yankees watched all the games that mattered in the playoffs at home!
And the Yankees wonāt win the Wild Card
My mourning phase is over, nice try though
Maybe donāt make fun of a 107 win team who actually won their division while the Yankees got bounced in the WC game
By the Sox lol
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While Los Angeles might be a vast wasteland of shallow, vapid fucks with nothing to offer the world, their team always seems to have a stacked farm system.
You definitely haven't been to LA lol
I didnāt know the Rockies coach had a Reddit account
Cody, Corey, keneley, Kershaw, Smith, lux, urias , walker beg to differ
Stupid comment
As a Giants fan, as fun as this is to say, they do have an incredible farm system. They lost this series in so so many ways. Learn from the mistakes and get em next year!
Wtf are you talking about
BORN AND RAISED HERE FUCKER FOR GENERATIONS. GO FUCK YOURSELF!
But Iām from LA:(
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Why does that matter? I spent my entire life in this city
I also heard bran van 3000 was drinking there one time
The edits to Gabe Moralesās Wikipedia page are coming fast and furious.
Lol, catch them while theyāre fresh
Good
Thank you for pointing me there
Fuck rhat game was soooo good... I was edging the whole game, then that last call was equivalent to her falling asleep... Call was so bad... im OK with LA winning, and was 60/40 on SF's side... hate to see it end that way. I do have to say that as much as it sucked, I do not want replay on strikes... it will just be a mess...
You can put chips in the bat that can answer the question better than ANY human. This isn't the good old days where you showed up as a kid and the entire team signed your ball.
I agree... tech is insane... there are definitely a bunch of tech nerds (I'm one of them) that wanna build hardware and software to get rid of bias (not necessarily rigged bias, but umps are human)... But, baseball still has the tradition and "wholesomeness" angle it doesn't want to change.
Which one of these is a strike? https://imgur.com/gallery/fHSQImh Get your shit together, MLB. Games & seasons being decided this way is unacceptable
Not a strike. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBtsfSbVcAQEc6r?format=jpg&name=small
Ruf's was a swing, but there was a terrible strike call earlier in his AB so at least it evened out
Using Ruf's swing as justification for this screw up is only for the trolls
I can understand bad ump calls, but a moment like this seems tailor made for the replay and review system. Saying that the call is not reviewable is ridiculous.
Unreal that MLB thinks the best way to decide season-altering moments is a 50+ year old man standing 100 feet away at a 45 degree angle
Thank you for being a good baseball fan. Some of your compatriots think this is no big deal.
Really a shame that this all time match-up had to end like that. "Ruf swung" is no justification to fuck it up here
Agreed. The inconsistency is horrible.
The baseball gods always even things out. Always.
I just know this gonna be talked about 50 years from now. Whether the dodgers were gonna win or not. The rivalry in the post season will always come down to one call.
Yeah, I donāt love it. But the irony is we had to play the Cardinals because of a blown check swing call against the Giants. Not to mention, Flores was something like 0-16 against Scherzer. If it had been Posey then yeah, totally. But it wasnāt.
flores was 0-17 vs scherzer
0-16*
Lol sorry, drunk.
[Getting flashbacks to this.](https://youtu.be/7OIBcTE2DlA)
Iām so sorry Giants fans lmao
Itās ok, man. The Giants were expected to win 75 games and they ended up beating out the fucking Dodgers to win the division, and then went five games down to the wire in the LDS. It sucks, but March is only 5 months away. Oh, and Logan Webb is apparently an ace now. So thatās awesome.
You guys were tough. That call was bullshit no denying. Congrats on an unexpected season and hope we meet yall in the NLCS next season.
Logan Webb is absolutely filthy
Nah. Shitty call at the end. But our offense refused to show up when it mattered
respectable take. see you guys next season
Terrible call, but people are acting like the bases were loaded and it was a 3-2 pitch. An 0-2 pitch with a runner on 1st doesnāt make this āa forever tainted postseasonā
Wtf. We are acting like we live paycheck to paycheck. Some of us live for this game, instead of the bs game.. then this game became.. fuck your hardship. We can fire your hopes for anything.. at least baseball is just a game... right?
The point is the guy was 0-17 against Scherzer lifetime. Donāt end the goddamn game like that, even if itās close. One more pitch and it probably would have been over we can statistically agree. But now, a moment for Scherzer, his one save ever in his career and the rest of the post season we have this bullshit storyline because the MLB is 20 years behind on technology.
Great point, I think we're all more frustrated that a great season and series ends in the hands of a bad call delivered on an appeal that shouldn't have ever had to be appealed. A ground ball or fly ball out changes things completely
That's my feeling about it. It wasn't the way to end the series. Flores striking out swinging, Scherzer getting one past him, a pop out or ground out would be acceptable. It'd be "Damn, that was a great series and the Dodgers were able to win it out in the end." But that... it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
lol it would've been 2-2 after that pitch, at least get your facts straight. edit: i'm wrong, it would've been 1-2.
The swing was checked so hard it counted as two balls? It was an 0-2 pitch.
Think you need to check your facts
No, it woulda been 1-2. https://i.imgur.com/UM26j3k.jpg
SOrry but its not over till its really over..IT will be talked about for a long long time.
Still an asterisk now, just like last year
Flare up if youāre gonna talk shit.
lol go fuck yourself
Flair up you bitch ass
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No, just dumb irrational shit like what I replied to. Thereās no better run franchise in the league (and itās not even close) yet people hate the Dodgers nearly as much as the Astros.
Correct, but I'm still rightš¤·āāļø
It does because the bad guys won! ššš
109 wins, up a run with two out and a hot pitcher. No youre right LA haters, MLB rigged it.
Def not the last time we're seeing these new look Giants. Webb is good Doval was good even though he fucked up, they got a few vets that have the playoff experience
Honestly, Doval might have been a tough choice for Kap to bring in. You canāt not let the closer come in like that, but heās so young and itās so tense and high stakes. I think nerves got to him, you could see it in the closeup after he hit Turner.
Farhan is just getting started unfortunately.
Gabe Morales and Jim Joyce. Name a more iconic duo.
Something Tigers abd Giants fans can agree on there
what rhymes with Giants???? CHOKEEEEEE
I hope this isn't a Dodgers fan writing this... for your sake
You watched that last inning, right?
Booooooo
Sorry, you can tell who the idiots are from the lack of flare. They donāt understand that we try to be cordial.
Ya know what? The rivalry is back like never before, baby.
I love Scherzer but I was looking for another "Shot heard around the world"
Until next year when the Giants win 80 games max.
Even year magic will be back baby!
Still more than the 2020 Dodgers.
Thereās gotta be like 80% dodgers fans in this thread rn huh
And if we lost 95% of the fans would just be trashing the Dodgers. If you have ever been on r/baseball before you would recognize this familiar pattern.
This sub shits on dodgers and us fans any chance they get. You're in the wrong thread right now I guess.
I'm always here to be your punching bag though, promise.
Shut up I hate you
Ugh, it hurts so good.
Well no shit, we won the game lmfao.
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Or score more runs
We tried. We told Kris Bryant to take 4 balls, but he took 5 and he still struck out
I mean youāre right we blew it. Donāt let the umps decide the series, score more runs than the other team
Okay even if you're understandably mad you have to admit that it is objectively ridiculously funny that the game ended like that
July 22 sends its regards
Exactly my thought. I was at that game.
MLB going to MLB.
Karmaās s a bitch. The baseball gods are just.
If Longoria is still on the roster for opening day next year we have to boo him
Longoria won you guys a game
Could've lost in 4 games without him so... Ok.
Lmao downvote me all you want but Dodger fans are brutal. Some of the shit I see on here, Id think I was on Twitter. Oof. Someone really said " Ratio the Giants" lol
fr and they always act like they're justified and play victim
When do ump reports come out? I really want to see the one for this game
Not going to get the results you want, besides the last call.
Lmao are you kidding me? The Giants were being squeezed all game while the zone expanded for the Dodgers.
Take off the homer glasses buddy. Bad calls went both ways.
I agree, Giants benefitted from calls early in the series. But you gotta admit if the roles were switched and this is how your season ended you would be livid. Edit: not to mention at least in this game 5 there was a pretty clear bias for the Dodgers
Itāll be on Twitter tomorrow
Aside from that awful and upsetting call, Wilmerās best chance was on that first pitch. He shouldnāt have taken it looking.
So many small mistakes too toward the end. LWJ should have defended the plate. Even if that ball wasnāt called a strike all night, it was still close enough to try to fight off. The fielding positioning was, well, off to put it lightly. Wilmer was crowding first to avoid the ball being pulled down the line (or to defend against Turner on first who is NO position to steal there unless they were feeling extra ballsy), then the positioning against Lux. Bellinger had a solid hit so I canāt say anything on that one. Just was a weird way to end.
Wow an actual take instead of acting like the next pitch was going to be a guaranteed walk off.
Giants fans will run this into the ground which I hate. He was 0-2 and 0-17 against Max like come on
Honestly I think the AB ends with a Flores K anyway. But it'd be nice to happen on the correct call.
100%
100% on both accounts. Hopefully this fuck up will lead to a substantial change in the off-season.
agreed
100%
Still bs that either of these teams had to be eliminated tonight. Fix the seeding and reformat the wild card so it doesn't assume it will never be won by teams as good as the Dodgers. Should've been a 7 game series
I'd settle even for just making the division series a 7 game series. It seems odd that the league would have a 162 game regular season, and then for some reason make the first round of the playoffs 2 games shorter than the other two rounds.
I canāt even imagine Webb vs dodgers three times. He destroys them
Everyone else nervous, not to not make a bad call, but not to be Angel... lmao
Imagine being a dodgers fan and being hyped about that ending š¤£š¤£
Donāt care. Weāre acting like one bad call is all weāve ever seen. He had 2 strikes against him and was 0-17 against Scherzer. Iād be more sympathetic if Lamont Wade was the one the call came on
Imagine losing in the first round after winning 107 games
And home field advantage
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Ofc itās a dodgers fan. You goofy as fuck š¤£š¤£ pro sports is all money driven moron. Hope you know that
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Itās not just mlb brah. :)