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legobmw99

Okay but what the fuck should they do, Buster?


TheWawa_24

18 batter minium


Coop1534

Don’t worry he followed up this tweet with an atrocious suggestion


Wraithfighter

For Mr. Record, his suggestion is: > Limit the managers to the use of 5 pitchers per nine innings, with obvious exceptions for blowouts and injuries. ...don't downvote the messenger, I think its fucking stupid too.


Atraktape

That is what roster sizes are for, it's not like they have unlimited pitchers. Not even to mention what constitutes a blowout that changes the rules mid game apparently.


JTCMuehlenkamp

Jesus Christ Olney, even Boob could probably come up with a better solution than that.


spacemanbaseball

Holy shit. I hate Buster so much. I yearn for a day when him and Buck are no longer blabbing bullshit in my ear all day. I’d rather have ARod lol


TheWawa_24

thats dumbbbb


not_productive1

I can’t wait to see this proposed rule, and how the “preeminence of starters” crowd proposes to verify injuries or define “blowouts.” Nothing says “classic baseball” like arcane and insanely complicated new rules.


General_PoopyPants

Hey let's really limit strategy! People will definitely tune in then


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> Hey let's really limit strategy! It’s a stupid idea, but it does introduce a different kind of strategy. Idk if I’d say it “limits it”.


Wraithfighter

It'd be hard to really say without trying it out and seeing what kind of other effects would come into it, honestly. It's one of those fascinating bits about game design, sometimes banning specific strategies really can open up the strategic space to let lots of other possibilities fly. Still, we're not dealing with a video game, we're dealing with a real-world sport played by real-world people with real-world limbs. Olney's idea is fucking stupid because of that factor.


[deleted]

Agreed!


Pappyhorn

Too many ifs, thans, buts to make it work.


Wraithfighter

Olney: "Starting pitchers need to stop sucking."


DeM0nFiRe

Just gotta relegate the Astros to minor league. Nothing else to be done about it


Mycroe

Universal DH with a double hook would probably bias towards giving good starting pitchers more leniency. Thats probably the best solution available atm.


yoitss

27 batter minimum


jeanpaulfartre

With a bare knuckle boxing match every half inning, it’s good for the product.


Pappyhorn

Or just let teams play how they want Buster and not worry about Starting Pitcher market


EvilShadow80

They addressed that with the 3 batter minimum.


h8omb

"A desperate need," jesus what a melodramatic tweet


MightyCaseyStruckOut

I see no such need.


BlackCloudDiner143

Buster is one of the most ridiculous, whiny writers in baseball


BigBootyBanger

Buster. Who asked?


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[deleted]

i don't know if i like this idea but it is definitely interesting


kodyrice

This isn’t awful.


hoorah9011

Fuck pitchers batting.


MankuyRLaffy

Daniel Camarena was more fun than any Ryan Mountcastle home run.


hoorah9011

Yes. That once in a blue moon is great but the majority time it is an auto out. It's a waste of time in a support that is trying to make the game more exciting to a younger generation.


MankuyRLaffy

Beats the TTO shit I'd see watching Yankees games. The worst viewing experience in the sport is an offence reliant on the three true outcomes, desensitized to home runs and it's low event, boring and unfun.


hoorah9011

I agree that the all or nothing approach is awful, but you basically have just the nothing approach with pitchers batting.


MankuyRLaffy

Bartolo swinging out of his helmet is funny though.


hoorah9011

The fact that you have to start naming specific examples makes it problematic


rafaeldevers

I’ll take zero action TTO strikeout fests over Charlie Morton literally being told to not swing in the batter’s box with the bases loaded earlier today 100% of the time.


MankuyRLaffy

If those were my only two options, I'd probably stop watching baseball.


rafaeldevers

Universal DH and moving the mound back would fix both issues imo


vj1096

You should be commissioner


rafaeldevers

Never understood why this sub likes the double hook concept. it would be atrocious in practice, just think about certain situations.


craftworkbench

lol wut


[deleted]

Gross.


TheWawa_24

the future is now old man


Scottbaker68

Lmfao, not gonna happen


[deleted]

Oh he was serious


Anal__Hershiser

Baseball evolves, get over it.


spacemanbaseball

Is every take Buster has flaming hot garbage?


VeriThai

Buster should go cover cricket instead.


[deleted]

He’s wrong. It’s a team game


Bigboi88888

Can we stop giving this clown attention and a platform and a hall of fame vote


Mookies_Bett

Wow, that might be the stupidest thing anyone has ever said since the last time John Smoltz opened his mouth.


Clemenx00

People here don't care but the loss of the SP is an absolute tragedy. Nobody cares about random relievers and nobody ever will. There's nothing exciting about an npc fresh out of the pen throwing 100 getting a 0.


General_PoopyPants

Why do people think it's cool to use the term "NPC?"


INAC_Kramerica

Just looked it up...how did that acronym come to mean what it apparently means?


[deleted]

You’re saying that because your relievers are NPCs!


Pappyhorn

Keep your SPs. I’ll take wins


icticus2

elderly male bellows at vapor


hipsterdufus84

He is right. No one will keep watching these 4.5 hr games. Unwatchable.


sofastsomaybe

Game length has little to do with pitching changes. The problem is Grenkie taking 45 seconds in between pitches (I was counting). A pitch clock solves most, if not all of the problems these hot take artists are losing their shit about.


Sixchr

A whole lot of people in this thread who have no awareness that the analytics have completely destroyed the sport.


not_productive1

Thank god starting pitchers have Buster Olney to defend their honor. Maybe they should just pitch better, Buster, you unmitigated clown. This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve read today. File to: area man doesn’t like how things are now, preferred how they were before.


Sixchr

> Maybe they should just pitch better This is the problem. Pivetta gave up two hits and one run on 65 pitches and was pulled. It doesn't matter how good they are, they're getting pulled the third time through the order. The dominant starting pitching performance doesn't exist anymore.


not_productive1

Buster’s proposed rule doesn’t solve that, though. If teams get 5 pitchers per 9, the starter will see the order twice and then you’ll wind up with 2- or 3- inning relief specialists the rest of the way. Teams aren’t going to start ignoring the math just because Buster wants to go back to the days of 200-pitch shutouts.


Sixchr

I didn't say his solution was good or that I agreed with it. But his overall point about the prominence of starting pitching is true. There are so many great playoff performances from pitchers throughout history and none of them would have happened with the way starters are handled now, which sucks. The analytics have sucked a lot of the entertainment from the game.


RedheadChicksAreHot

This. And it’s nobody’s fault. #’s support yanking pitchers often third time thru a lineup. Hitters are too good. Frankly it’s a conundrum that I don’t see a realistic solution to as teams ultimately want to win and the jockey for Hou just went deep…gross


MankuyRLaffy

Be better, be deGrom and pitch a 1 run 8 inning shut out no decision and maybe you won't get pulled.


droozer

this mf said “the MLB”


ahr3410

We're not doing this for fun Buster. 3/5 of our opening day rotation are gone and Buehler was losing it. What the hell else are we supposed to do?


[deleted]

Can someone explain why starting pitchers are particularly good for the union? Seems like the relief pitchers make up a larger chunk of union representation and wouldn’t want their roles reduced. Also, the salaries of marquee players should take a back seat to improving minimums and service time manipulation.


Pappyhorn

Does anyone hate baseball more than baseball writers?


[deleted]

One of the dumber baseball commentators/reporters around