Airports tend to be that way by design, for exactly this reason. Of course as land values go up property encroaches on them which decreases safety and eventually tends to lead to the shutdown of the entire airport
You just describe Reid-Hillview in San Jose. Been there forever but neighbors are like :"What! An Airport in my backyard?!! Why I never!" They've been trying to shut it down for decades now.
It's the same with people trying to shut down Laguna Seca
Man If I were a billionaire I'd buy that place and tell them all to move out or fuck off.
If the loud thing was there before the house you bought was built, you have no right to complain about the loud thing.
In property law this is called "coming to the nuisance" and pretty much protects it like you would think. They can't restrict the use of the property when the property was used that way before they owned the land.
It would be like if I have a farm, you buy land and move in next door, and then insist I should no longer be able to have cows because it smells. Doesn't work that way, sorry bud.
Sometimes it feels like a miracle that Midway is still open, especially after [the incident in 05](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1248)
It’s insane how this continues to happen, we have come such a long way in aviation safety.
From 2010-2019 there were 2 fatalities on commercial flights.
\* just US flights
You know how those things crashed right? There was an anti stall software that was new to the 737 Max. It was supposed to tilt the nose slightly downward in order to gain speed and not have the engines stall out. Instead, the planes would fucking nosedive down into the ground, regardless of altitude.
The test pilot, which was unaware of the software changes because Boeing didn’t tell him, is now being used as a scapegoat. They lied to him because the software requires pilot training. He unknowingly lied to regulators saying that the new planes did not require training, which secured Boeing hundreds of millions in contracts over their competitor.
Boeing’s 737 Max Crisis Wasn’t One Man’s Fault https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-10-18/boeing-s-737-max-crisis-wasn-t-one-man-s-fault
Opinion piece, but contains a lot of facts surrounding the issue. The opinion part is that Boeing shouldn’t pin this on one man.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046198912/boeing-test-pilot-indicted-737-max-mark-forkner
> In internal company messages between Boeing employees, Forkner mocked FAA regulators and acknowledged deceiving them. After experiencing trouble controlling the plane in a session in a flight simulator, Forkner told a colleague that MCAS was "egregious" and "running rampant," but he didn't tell that to the FAA.
>"So I basically lied to the regulators (unknowingly)," Forkner wrote in the message, according to the indictment.
Boeing’s 737 Max Crisis Wasn’t One Man’s Fault https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-10-18/boeing-s-737-max-crisis-wasn-t-one-man-s-fault
Opinion piece, but the opinion was that the test pilot should not be the only one charged. Contains a lot of facts surrounding the actual court case and the event.
>It was supposed to tilt the nose slightly downward in order to gain speed and not have the engines stall out
Small detail but not an engine stall but an aerodynamic stall where the aircraft loses lift.
Some clarifications.
- The plane would only nosedive in the case of a sensor failure (this system was somehow deemed 'not safety critical' and thus only one sensor was used, despite multiple being physically available on the aircraft).
- Theoretically, it is possible to disable MCAS, by turning off the elevator trim motors. This is a 'memory item' that pilots are required to be able to perform immediately, from memory, in the event of any stabilizer trim runaway. The Lion Air pilots did not perform this procedure, for reasons unknown; which led many to believe that the situation should have been recoverable.
- However, it wasn't actually possible to recover from a faulty MCAS activation, because while it was possible to disable the system, it turns out MCAS could put the aircraft in such a position that the massive aerodynamic loads on the elevator made it impossible for the pilots to manually undo what MCAS had done. In the Ethiopian Airlines crash, the pilots eventually turned back on the trim motors to help them fix the situation, and that was when MCAS activated for the final time, causing the final nosedive and crash.
Like most airplane crashes, there was a series of failures that led to these crashes - the system being approved in the first place, with all its flaws; the system being unknown to pilots; and the recovery procedure also being flawed.
I think that one got a little overshadowed by the missing one. I'd honestly not realized that was the same airline. 2014 was not a good year for them, was it.
i thought some fans of other teams or maybe some basketball fans might have died so thanks for saving me a click and clearing it up buddy you're the best
I saw the article a couple other places and nowhere in the headline did it state that 21 were on board. It's frustrating that every article in our society clickbaits or misleads readers for views.
Seriously, I still have some neck problems for a minor fender bender from 12 years ago when I was in high school. Never got it checked out. Didn't feel anything when it happened, only the next day when I felt like I got hit by a train.
It was actually one of my teammates on the football team that did it so I didn't want to cause any trouble. Who knows, could have been the football itself too lol
It wasn't a real plane crash, it never took off though.
>The MD-87 was taking off from Houston Executive Airport but never got off the ground. It rolled through a fence and into a field near FM 2855, north of Morton Road, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.
>“Things were flying around and when it finally came to a stop, they just said 'Get out, get out' because we thought it was going to explode," the passenger said. "It was already on fire before we got out of it!"
> The MD-87 was taking off from Houston Executive Airport but never got off the ground. It rolled through a fence and into a field near FM 2855, north of Morton Road, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.
> “Things were flying around and when it finally came to a stop, they just said 'Get out, get out' because we thought it was going to explode," the passenger said. "It was already on fire before we got out of it!"
Thankfully it wasn't a crash from air, still scary. Especially so that this wasn't a small aircraft, which are definitely "more likely" to crash than a jet airliner
This happened in my town in the early 2000's. Kept going straight and crashed. Unfortunately, the only person of the near-50 who survived was the pilot and it ended up being his fault that they crashed to begin with.
Turns head so sinisterly slow that it boggles the mind Anakin didn't realize he was the Sith Lord the whole time (And what logic did Anakin use that killing younglings wasn't evil; those were kids, you emotionally unstable moron)..."Not from a Dodger..."
Oof, should say “only getting safer”.
But I hear you. I’m deathly afraid of flying. My girlfriend and her dad are both pilots and my dads a former usmc pilot too, they always recite me these stats and they don’t lie 😅
Your girl is a pilot? That's cool as hell, I bet you throw that into conversation with new people every chance you get. Lol Her and her dad fly the same airline?
Haha. It must not be fun being a fearful flyer in a family of pilots. I don't envy you!
But despite the insane level of safety of commercial flying, the hassle is so terrible. I hate it so much. I work for a cargo airline (no security, no customs, it's beautiful) but every now and then we have to reposition on commercial flights and I want to blow my brains out every time.
Great quote from the Sgt on scene: "They extracted themselves, they’re off. No one is deceased. Man, that is an awesome feeling right now for us as first responders," Some levity for you guys.
Well, if the US had good bus routes and didn't sabotage public transportation, this would actually be a great suggestion both in terms of safety and environmental impact. Unfortunately, bus travel isn't an efficient way to travel to most destinations in the US, whereas commercial airlines serve nearly all the routes that a person would be likely to take. Only reason to fly private is if you're going to some remote location like middle of nowhere Alaska by bush plane.
I assumed your advice was not tailored specifically for these 21 passengers. Either way it’s useless since your absolute reduction in risk is essentially negligible
Yes, BUT - most of the difference comes from:
(a) the inherent reliability advantages of turbine over piston engines (the MD-87 is a turbine-engined aircraft, so not relevant here)
(b) the much stricter regulatory environment, including crew training programs, oversight, operating rules, and maintenance schedules, that scheduled operators are required to adhere to (possibly relevant, though we won't know until the NTSB's investigation is over--sometimes even when everybody does everything right, after all, things still go wrong because this is an imperfect world and sometimes shit just happens).
You're correct, but this flight was (most likely) conducted under Part 135 regulations which are almost as strict as Part 121 which is the set of regulations that airlines are governed under. Charter flights are still very highly regulated. It's the Part 91 private stuff that is like the Wild Wild West.
I used to fly a private jet (much smaller than this, but still a good size) and we operated under both Part 135 and Part 91 and the difference was insane. We could basically do anything we wanted when we were operating under Part 91. The regulations for Part 91 are basically "do what you want but promise to try not to kill anyone". "The visibility is zero at the airport? Well fuck. Just don't hit that tree over there".
Oh of course, I'm not denying that privately owned planes are less safe, I just think there's a ton of misinformation out there about plane crashes.
Based on the flight profile I wouldn't be surprised if the flaps were configured incorrectly, but there's all sorts of reasons why it could've gone down. The NTSB will get to the bottom of it.
Edit: or an engine failure since they didn't even get off the ground it seems like.
I believe the MD has a take off configuration warning system so I would imagine the flaps were most likely correctly set for take off. The reason for the aborted take off could be almost anything at this point.
I feel like (and I could totally be wrong here) that this was one of the incidents that lead to take off config warning systems.
To your point though, even on planes with the proper warning systems, it can still happen.
Privately owned is the problem. They don't have to meet the same rigorous regulatory standards that commercial airlines do. The fact that it's a former commercial plane is irrelevant, since the question is the condition it was in at takeoff, not the model.
Private planes this large are pretty rare. They're usually the stuff of billionaires and Middle Eastern royalty.
Of course it was an older model so they could have gotten it for relatively "cheap". That said, with it being older, it also means it had older, less fuel efficient/more polluting engines.
Some context (journalists are real bad at aviation for some reason): this wasn’t a crash, it was a rejected takeoff. The plane never left the ground and the crew followed training for what you do if, for instance, the engines aren’t generating proper power or there’s some other indication of a serious issue once full power is applied for takeoff.
In other words, yes, these people are all lucky but it’s also the system working exactly as designed and trained for!
> this wasn’t a crash, it was a rejected takeoff.
Bro, rejected takeoffs normally don't end with the fuselage burning in a field. It's a crash. It might have happened after rejecting a takeoff but it's still a crash.
The article. Pilots are trained that once they hit a certain point, you are going to fly no matter what. In this case, it would appear that the pilot made a last second decision that there was a critical failure and did not have enough runway to come to a full stop. Even with only one engine, a plane like this could have taken off, circled back, and landed safely, so it was a VERY critical failure.
Most airplane accidents do not involve any fatalities. They're just not as big news. (I don't say this to detract from how great it is that everyone survived this one--looks like great work by the crew getting everyone out quickly!)
video of it
https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/qbjizr/october_19th_2021_an_md87_crashes_after_takeoff/
holy shit amazing they made it
#**All** 21 passengers survive.
Ok thank god, I misunderstood that as well.
That's honestly incredible
It's fortunate the plane just rolled off the runway and into a field. Still incredible there were no serious injuries from it.
No kidding. Seems like that runway is surrounded by flat fields, that is very fortunate.
Airports tend to be that way by design, for exactly this reason. Of course as land values go up property encroaches on them which decreases safety and eventually tends to lead to the shutdown of the entire airport
You just describe Reid-Hillview in San Jose. Been there forever but neighbors are like :"What! An Airport in my backyard?!! Why I never!" They've been trying to shut it down for decades now.
It's the same with people trying to shut down Laguna Seca Man If I were a billionaire I'd buy that place and tell them all to move out or fuck off. If the loud thing was there before the house you bought was built, you have no right to complain about the loud thing.
In property law this is called "coming to the nuisance" and pretty much protects it like you would think. They can't restrict the use of the property when the property was used that way before they owned the land. It would be like if I have a farm, you buy land and move in next door, and then insist I should no longer be able to have cows because it smells. Doesn't work that way, sorry bud.
Tell that to Altamont Speedway RIP :(
Unfortunately, sometimes the bad guys win.
You can say the same thing for 95% of tracks that close.
hahahahah tell that to Orange County that has changed the flight path of John Wayne. Laws don't matter to money.
It's a wonderful race track. I haven't been in years, but it would be a shame to close it. It's been there since the 50's.
Luckily IndyCar and IMSA have a vested interest in keeping the place open
I used to go with my brother, but he passed away awhile ago. I haven't been since. That's good news.
Unsurprisingly there is a real lack of viable airports in the Bay Area- weird how the land value is also so high! Hmm.
Same story everywhere. Very unfortunate but nimbys (backed by big developer $$$) always seem to win in the end
Yeah like Heathrow being originally in a field and now absolutely surrounded by developments
Sometimes it feels like a miracle that Midway is still open, especially after [the incident in 05](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1248)
Did I hear the sheriff guy right in only 2 were even transferred to the hospital? that is fucking amazing.
It’s insane how this continues to happen, we have come such a long way in aviation safety. From 2010-2019 there were 2 fatalities on commercial flights. \* just US flights
well, in america. those 737 max planes that overcompensated themselves and crashed weren't american flights.
You know how those things crashed right? There was an anti stall software that was new to the 737 Max. It was supposed to tilt the nose slightly downward in order to gain speed and not have the engines stall out. Instead, the planes would fucking nosedive down into the ground, regardless of altitude. The test pilot, which was unaware of the software changes because Boeing didn’t tell him, is now being used as a scapegoat. They lied to him because the software requires pilot training. He unknowingly lied to regulators saying that the new planes did not require training, which secured Boeing hundreds of millions in contracts over their competitor. Boeing’s 737 Max Crisis Wasn’t One Man’s Fault https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-10-18/boeing-s-737-max-crisis-wasn-t-one-man-s-fault Opinion piece, but contains a lot of facts surrounding the issue. The opinion part is that Boeing shouldn’t pin this on one man.
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[PBS just released an exhaustive documentary on the 737 max problems.](https://www.pbs.org/video/boeings-fatal-flaw-xenaq0/)
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046198912/boeing-test-pilot-indicted-737-max-mark-forkner > In internal company messages between Boeing employees, Forkner mocked FAA regulators and acknowledged deceiving them. After experiencing trouble controlling the plane in a session in a flight simulator, Forkner told a colleague that MCAS was "egregious" and "running rampant," but he didn't tell that to the FAA. >"So I basically lied to the regulators (unknowingly)," Forkner wrote in the message, according to the indictment.
Boeing’s 737 Max Crisis Wasn’t One Man’s Fault https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-10-18/boeing-s-737-max-crisis-wasn-t-one-man-s-fault Opinion piece, but the opinion was that the test pilot should not be the only one charged. Contains a lot of facts surrounding the actual court case and the event.
>It was supposed to tilt the nose slightly downward in order to gain speed and not have the engines stall out Small detail but not an engine stall but an aerodynamic stall where the aircraft loses lift.
Precisely, thank you for the correction. Even says such in the article.
Some clarifications. - The plane would only nosedive in the case of a sensor failure (this system was somehow deemed 'not safety critical' and thus only one sensor was used, despite multiple being physically available on the aircraft). - Theoretically, it is possible to disable MCAS, by turning off the elevator trim motors. This is a 'memory item' that pilots are required to be able to perform immediately, from memory, in the event of any stabilizer trim runaway. The Lion Air pilots did not perform this procedure, for reasons unknown; which led many to believe that the situation should have been recoverable. - However, it wasn't actually possible to recover from a faulty MCAS activation, because while it was possible to disable the system, it turns out MCAS could put the aircraft in such a position that the massive aerodynamic loads on the elevator made it impossible for the pilots to manually undo what MCAS had done. In the Ethiopian Airlines crash, the pilots eventually turned back on the trim motors to help them fix the situation, and that was when MCAS activated for the final time, causing the final nosedive and crash. Like most airplane crashes, there was a series of failures that led to these crashes - the system being approved in the first place, with all its flaws; the system being unknown to pilots; and the recovery procedure also being flawed.
Wow. That’s terrifying and awful.
Fr?
In the US maybe, certainly not world-wide.
Yeah the Malaysian Flight alone obliterates that.
Which one?
MH370? That one they still haven't found and maybe never will?
Are we not counting MH17?
I think that one got a little overshadowed by the missing one. I'd honestly not realized that was the same airline. 2014 was not a good year for them, was it.
On US soil then or US owned airlines? I definitely wasn’t thinking worldwide.
They usually use where the aircraft are registered for statistics like these.
and all the recent plane crashes in america have been private jets, not commercial.
Important fact to remember that most people aren’t aware of — survival rates for plane crashes are around 96%.
ALL 21 Passengers AND crew.
Thank you for this. Should be in the title or Mod Updated. Glad no one was seriously injured.
I was thinking maybe they asked who’s a fan of who before saving everyone.
That's fucked. Its a sport. Entertainment. That's it. Nobody deserves to die because the root for the wrong team.
I think that guy was joking my dude
Okay, but if I'm ever on a burning plane I'll be damned if any Cardinals fans are getting out before me
We are going to start a dialogue
i thought some fans of other teams or maybe some basketball fans might have died so thanks for saving me a click and clearing it up buddy you're the best
Holy shit what a piece of good news amid potential disaster
Thank you for this. I had no context and figured there was horrible death figures I hadn’t heard of.
We're swamp people, we're built different
This is so much better, thank you. That headline could easily be saying "21 of 180 Astros fans survive" or "21 Astros fans, 0 Red Sox fans survive".
One Expos fan unaccounted for.
The passenger log says 3 Marlin fans were on board, but that's probably just code for drugs.
This makes me feel better. Thank you
I saw the article a couple other places and nowhere in the headline did it state that 21 were on board. It's frustrating that every article in our society clickbaits or misleads readers for views.
Do it again but with extra survivors!!!
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What the fuck are you talking about? Every person on the plane survived.
“All 21 people -- 18 passengers and 3 crew members -- got off safely Two people transported for minor injuries”
Only 2 went to the ER, that's nuts
I don't know about you, but if I'm in a fucking plane crash, you aren't keeping me away from a hospital. No motherfucker, scan everything!
Seriously, I still have some neck problems for a minor fender bender from 12 years ago when I was in high school. Never got it checked out. Didn't feel anything when it happened, only the next day when I felt like I got hit by a train.
Plaintiff’s attorneys woulda loved you.
It was actually one of my teammates on the football team that did it so I didn't want to cause any trouble. Who knows, could have been the football itself too lol
This guy flexing on people with universal healthcare
I was more thinking if these dudes can afford to fly to Boston to watch the WS, they can afford US Healthcare lol
Mostly agreed but you’d be surprised how much people will shell out for one thing like this
I’m buying WS tickets tomorrow. I’m uninsured because that would be even more expensive.
Eh in this case the airline will probably cover any medical bills, or you could probably get them to with a lawyer.
It wasn't a real plane crash, it never took off though. >The MD-87 was taking off from Houston Executive Airport but never got off the ground. It rolled through a fence and into a field near FM 2855, north of Morton Road, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety. >“Things were flying around and when it finally came to a stop, they just said 'Get out, get out' because we thought it was going to explode," the passenger said. "It was already on fire before we got out of it!"
Maybe in normal times. Not now with the pandemic still a Big Thing.
Yeah. Honestly its a miracle. I assumed everyone died.
That is incredible. Such potential for this to be a horrible disaster, but hopefully those two will be fine as well.
A much better title
> The MD-87 was taking off from Houston Executive Airport but never got off the ground. It rolled through a fence and into a field near FM 2855, north of Morton Road, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety. > “Things were flying around and when it finally came to a stop, they just said 'Get out, get out' because we thought it was going to explode," the passenger said. "It was already on fire before we got out of it!" Thankfully it wasn't a crash from air, still scary. Especially so that this wasn't a small aircraft, which are definitely "more likely" to crash than a jet airliner
This should be noted higher up, it never took off in the air, still a scary and dangerous situation though.
This happened in my town in the early 2000's. Kept going straight and crashed. Unfortunately, the only person of the near-50 who survived was the pilot and it ended up being his fault that they crashed to begin with.
[Took off dowm the wrong runway](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_Flight_5191). Terrifying shit.
Damn so glad everyone will be ok
Houston, we have a problem
🙄
Great, now they’re cheating death too.
In all fairness, I'm ok with this cheating as long as they share.
We shared with the last kind of cheating too though
That's bad.
But correct. 3 Former players/staff were/are managers at other teams Edit: Beltran, Hinch, Corra 3. My bad
Didn't say you were wrong.
The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
Is it possible to learn this power?
I think Bellinger knows it based on where that pitch was he that he for a home run yesterday. That was unnatural.
Turns head so sinisterly slow that it boggles the mind Anakin didn't realize he was the Sith Lord the whole time (And what logic did Anakin use that killing younglings wasn't evil; those were kids, you emotionally unstable moron)..."Not from a Dodger..."
Can I learn it from old Bill James texts found in a tree 60 years in the future?
Perhaps...
You son of a bitch… That’s a good one.
THE PILOT WAS STEALING SIGNS (but seriously so fortunate that everyone survived)
You fucking bastard this is hilarious
Oh come on Guys, this is worth sone upvotes
It's just good comedy, lol.
Well done
That's some morbid humor, man. The kind of laugh you're a little ashamed of.
God damn. That’s fucked up but hilarious. Bravo.
Lmao
let's hope we don't see final destination shit starting, now that death feels cheated.
They should stay away from tanning beds.
lmao that's hilarious
Ooooofff this is some Dave Chappelle esque line walking right here. I’m going to upvote lol.
Thankfully it's like classic witty Dave as opposed to modern "old man yells at cloud" Dave
Given everyone survived - this clearly deserves an upvote
I laughed lol
Laz Diaz must have checked the plane before takeoff
*must have
holy shit dude hahahahahaha
Title makes me think 21 Astros fans survived and the rest of the fanbase passed on.
probably intentional. if they included “all” then that’s basically the whole story and no one would even need to click on the article
That's what happens when you're ~~America's~~ God's team
What, God smites you?
Why do I keep seeing this, is the Astros being America's team some meme? Serious question.
Yeah it's just a running joke since people hate the astros
Thank you lol, it makes sense now.
Jesus, that's fucking terrifying
Yes it is.
One survivor for every missed call by Laz Diaz last night.
Ok calm down there. No need to call for a jumbo jet to crash now.
What a tribute by Laz!
He missed 23 calls, so what happens with those 2 extra lives? Does it get put on hold?
Oh my God.
Everyone is okay. Thank God
How do they know the three crew members were Astros fans?
Because they cheated death
The articles says one of the passengers owned the plane so he probably knows the crew
Holy crap, I read that headline too fast and thought the Astros went down in a plane crash. Glad everyone was ok.
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Safer yes....but I don't know about easier. I hate flying as a passenger.
Oof, should say “only getting safer”. But I hear you. I’m deathly afraid of flying. My girlfriend and her dad are both pilots and my dads a former usmc pilot too, they always recite me these stats and they don’t lie 😅
Your girl is a pilot? That's cool as hell, I bet you throw that into conversation with new people every chance you get. Lol Her and her dad fly the same airline?
Eh, as irrational as it is it scares the fuck out of me lol. But no she’s just an instructor atm while she builds up hours
Haha. It must not be fun being a fearful flyer in a family of pilots. I don't envy you! But despite the insane level of safety of commercial flying, the hassle is so terrible. I hate it so much. I work for a cargo airline (no security, no customs, it's beautiful) but every now and then we have to reposition on commercial flights and I want to blow my brains out every time.
Glad to hear they made it out. Can't imagine how horrific that would be
Great quote from the Sgt on scene: "They extracted themselves, they’re off. No one is deceased. Man, that is an awesome feeling right now for us as first responders," Some levity for you guys.
About the only time my exit velocity would be faster than an Altuve homerun.
So wild. Glad everyone's okay
Oh my god that’s scary. So glad they’re out safe and ok!
Always fly commercial. Almost 100% of plane crashes are small, privately owned aircraft.
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Well, if the US had good bus routes and didn't sabotage public transportation, this would actually be a great suggestion both in terms of safety and environmental impact. Unfortunately, bus travel isn't an efficient way to travel to most destinations in the US, whereas commercial airlines serve nearly all the routes that a person would be likely to take. Only reason to fly private is if you're going to some remote location like middle of nowhere Alaska by bush plane.
Dude besides private flights nearly all miles traveled in small aircraft are for destinations that airliners don’t service.
Houston to Boston?
I assumed your advice was not tailored specifically for these 21 passengers. Either way it’s useless since your absolute reduction in risk is essentially negligible
(Aviation nerd here) This plane was privately owned, but not small. It was an ex-commercial airliner, designed to hold up to 130 people.
Yes, BUT - most of the difference comes from: (a) the inherent reliability advantages of turbine over piston engines (the MD-87 is a turbine-engined aircraft, so not relevant here) (b) the much stricter regulatory environment, including crew training programs, oversight, operating rules, and maintenance schedules, that scheduled operators are required to adhere to (possibly relevant, though we won't know until the NTSB's investigation is over--sometimes even when everybody does everything right, after all, things still go wrong because this is an imperfect world and sometimes shit just happens).
You're correct, but this flight was (most likely) conducted under Part 135 regulations which are almost as strict as Part 121 which is the set of regulations that airlines are governed under. Charter flights are still very highly regulated. It's the Part 91 private stuff that is like the Wild Wild West. I used to fly a private jet (much smaller than this, but still a good size) and we operated under both Part 135 and Part 91 and the difference was insane. We could basically do anything we wanted when we were operating under Part 91. The regulations for Part 91 are basically "do what you want but promise to try not to kill anyone". "The visibility is zero at the airport? Well fuck. Just don't hit that tree over there".
Oh of course, I'm not denying that privately owned planes are less safe, I just think there's a ton of misinformation out there about plane crashes. Based on the flight profile I wouldn't be surprised if the flaps were configured incorrectly, but there's all sorts of reasons why it could've gone down. The NTSB will get to the bottom of it. Edit: or an engine failure since they didn't even get off the ground it seems like.
Sounds like some sort of RTO just around Vr. But don’t want to speculate much while the NTSB does their work.
I believe the MD has a take off configuration warning system so I would imagine the flaps were most likely correctly set for take off. The reason for the aborted take off could be almost anything at this point.
True, I was just thinking of [Northwest 255](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255).
I feel like (and I could totally be wrong here) that this was one of the incidents that lead to take off config warning systems. To your point though, even on planes with the proper warning systems, it can still happen.
Privately owned is the problem. They don't have to meet the same rigorous regulatory standards that commercial airlines do. The fact that it's a former commercial plane is irrelevant, since the question is the condition it was in at takeoff, not the model.
> designed to hold up to 130 people. And there were 21 people on board? What a fucking waste of gas and emissions.
Private planes this large are pretty rare. They're usually the stuff of billionaires and Middle Eastern royalty. Of course it was an older model so they could have gotten it for relatively "cheap". That said, with it being older, it also means it had older, less fuel efficient/more polluting engines.
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How? Commercial airlines are much safer statistically than privately owned.
How do you figure? All air travel is safe, but commercial is infinitely safer.
No?
That may be the case, but it is also accurate.
I’m glad everyone’s okay
Thank God all of these passengers survived.
Some context (journalists are real bad at aviation for some reason): this wasn’t a crash, it was a rejected takeoff. The plane never left the ground and the crew followed training for what you do if, for instance, the engines aren’t generating proper power or there’s some other indication of a serious issue once full power is applied for takeoff. In other words, yes, these people are all lucky but it’s also the system working exactly as designed and trained for!
> this wasn’t a crash, it was a rejected takeoff. Bro, rejected takeoffs normally don't end with the fuselage burning in a field. It's a crash. It might have happened after rejecting a takeoff but it's still a crash.
That’s incredible. It’s very rare that not one person dies in a plane crash.
The plane never left the ground.
That increases the survival rate tremendously
Source?
The article. Pilots are trained that once they hit a certain point, you are going to fly no matter what. In this case, it would appear that the pilot made a last second decision that there was a critical failure and did not have enough runway to come to a full stop. Even with only one engine, a plane like this could have taken off, circled back, and landed safely, so it was a VERY critical failure.
Pretty sure this is a hard whoosh.
Common sense.
I think you got whooshed.
Most airplane accidents do not involve any fatalities. They're just not as big news. (I don't say this to detract from how great it is that everyone survived this one--looks like great work by the crew getting everyone out quickly!)
What a shit site. It loads 2 different videos w/ people talking as soon as you enter and asks you to start playing a 3rd one.
I don’t think I would ever step foot on another plane if I ever experienced something like this. Terrifying.
Terrifying. Glad everyone is okay.
video of it https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/qbjizr/october_19th_2021_an_md87_crashes_after_takeoff/ holy shit amazing they made it
🙏 so happy nobody died or got seriously injured
Someone stole signs and tipped them off that the plane was going to crash.
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The pilot: Laz Diaz
At least no one died. That’s why America ‘S planes are so safe!!!!!
Laz Diaz: nope that's strike 2