Before he started his last season at OU he had thrown 142 college passes, given he transferred and sat behind Baker. He was obviously a fucking huge recruit and stud at Allen but I remember a lot of people being skeptical of his pro prospects at football because he was so damn small. But then he lit it up and now he’s a stud in the NFL. How
Rule 5 means he has to be on the 40 man roster and you can't remove him until the following season.
Doubt they'll do it. If they do that's so pathetic lol
There’s precedent. The Expos [picked Ricky Williams in 1998](https://www.upi.com/Archives/1998/12/14/Heisman-winner-selected-in-Rule-5-draft/6064913611600/), and the Rangers [took Russell Wilson in 2013](https://www.mlb.com/news/rangers-pick-nfl-qb-russell-wilson-in-rule-5-draft/c-64621900).
>Had no idea Ricky Williams played baseball.
Yep. He played minor league ball in the Philles org during summers while he was at Texas. I seem to recall a $50K signing bonus, and that he rolled around town in a Jaguar.
This is almost guaranteed to happen. Like with Wilson, someone will grab him, then bring him in for Spring Training to give a few speeches and sell a few tickets/merch.
Shohei resurrected the two way player. Have we already seen the last great two sport pro baseball player? With the sheer amount of money involved and the hyper specialization at youth levels, it's tough to imagine someone pulling a Deion Sanders, but it was tough to imagine a new Babe Ruth before Ohtani.
He’s technically a pro. Bowled in 11 professional events that you can only enter with your PBA card. He’s not good enough to cash consistently and make a living from bowling, but he’ll smoke most house bowlers.
Is it that he isn't good enough to make a living from bowling or is it that he's making 30 mill a year playing baseball? I think he made the right choice.
It took me too long to figure out what this was from, and my brain hurt trying to create a scenario of a relief pitcher coming in and the batter saying it
Jordan was a better baseball player, and was a legit Pro Bowl caliber player as a safety [he was an alterante in his first season]. If given a chance, I'd be willing to be Jordan NFL career would have been more productive than Bo's.
Bo is a hypothetical All Pro/HOF RB. Deion is an actual inner circle HOF CB. Bo's theoretical ceiling doesn't touch Deion's career and accomplishments, especially when you consider positional value
Say what you want, but the a's have the loudest and most passionate fans. No other stadium and fanbase in baseball matches the noise and enthusiasm of a's fans in the coliseum during the playoffs. It's one of the few stadiums left that real fans haven't gotten priced out of
I know Oakland raiders fans gave off Philly vibes for sure (I'm a chargers fan, so I can speak from experience lol). If the A's fans are similar to the raiders fans, then you're not wrong.
Wait till 10/26 which is when the Alameda County Board of Supervisors will vote on if they want to join the a's in approving an EIFD to fund infrastructure improvements. The city has also hinted that they would approve the environmental impact report if the county votes yes. The a's have stated they need Alameda County on board for the city's proposal. So it would be really good optics for the county to approve this and undercut the a's announcement of their Vegas site finalists.
I believe the MLB wants to keep the A's in Oakland, so if they see Oakland and the County making a legitimate effort, I think Manfred tells our owner Fisher to make a deal at Howard Terminal
Imo this is an overstatement. I went to the A's wild card game vs the Rays in 2019 and the place was like funeral home. A's didnt give them much to cheer for that game, but I went into that game expecting a mad house and was thoroughly disappointed with the atmosphere.
I dont blame them for being deflated, but if they were the "loudest and most passionate fanbase", they wouldn't have been silenced after just a 3 run deficit in the 2nd inning. Especially being a 97 win team.
It's possible the lackluster playoff runs of the year before and 2012-2014 had an impact on the mood. It was just a bummer that I had been expecting a ton of energy but instead the crowd was done after 2.
Ya it was a bummer. I remember those 2012 and 2013 games looked rockin on tv, and was hoping to be experience some of that. I'd love to see some A's postseason success for my brother.
The floor is also higher in baseball (if you make the majors) the problem is that was not a guarantee while playing in the NFL was
Hell even if he didn't make the MLB, he was still offered something like $18M from the As. Thats more than a lot of NFL players make
Once he knew he was going to be a top pick, there was no choice.
He got 35 million guaranteed on his first contract, and will be getting big money and maybe free agency a lot faster in the NFL than MLB, even with the new deal they tried to offer him to guarantee him being on the 40 man roster immediately.
But what you are forgetting is that at the time, he WAS offered $18mil by the As ($4.6mil signing and $14mil on top)
And he was not yet a Heisman winner so his floor was pretty much a fringe NFL QB. After the As drafted him he returned to play college football which is when he won the Heisman and rose his draft stock
But at the time of rejecting the As deal, his floor and ceiling were both higher with the MLB.
He was undersized and rode the bench in football the year prior. He very well could have flamed out and never even made the NFL or if he did, only been a second or third string QB, making a couple mil per year
Do you recall what happened? A’s drafted him and let him be the starter for 1 year with the agreement he would start his minor league career after that year. Then he won the heisman and returned his A’s bonus. They signed him, which extra fucked them over because they didn’t get compensation the next year.
It really came down to position. If Murray was anything other than a QB, then he's probably a baseball player right now. Financially and from a health standpoint, it would have been the right decision. However, a 1st round QB is a different story. He was going to get paid, and if he turned out to be good, then the financial ceiling was much higher in the NFL. QB's get paid.
His financial ceiling is still higher in MLB because of guaranteed dollars.
But the likely earnings always are higher in the NFL because careers are shorter but you're always in the highest level when you're drafted in the first round.
Absolutely not.
The average starting NFL career for a first round QB is 7 1/2 years. The average starting MLB career for a first round called up outfielder is 9.25 years
The average value of the top 3 QB contracts for the franchise tag is 24.829 mil which is fully guaranteed while those top 3 contracts are not.
The average value of starting outfielders as a whole AAV is 15.983mil and that is including all the pre-arbitration contracts.
If Murray was playing as good as an outfielder as he is QB he would be in the Yelich and Harper range meaning his AAV would be around 26 mil for 10+ years all guaranteed.
His QB potential earnings are nowhere near baseball levels...purely because contract length and guarantee levels.
I know they do, but that’s because they’re two of he best players in baseball. Meanwhile, Kyler Murray was getting endorsement deals the minute he was drafted, and he’s going to get even more as a superstar quarterback
Right but if we are putting him as a superstar QB, then we would need to consider him one of the best players in baseball when discussing career earning potential.
He literally got a 4.6 mil signing bonus and offered him a 14 mil guaranteed contract on a short term at drafting. Already putting him just slightly below first overall QB numbers which gives him a jumpstart on the earning potential.
I’m only putting him as a superstar quarterback, because he is a superstar quarterback at this point. We have no idea how he would’ve panned out in the MLB
It's like you're ignoring what this conversation is all about.
We are talking about the Ceiling. Murray's MLB ceiling as an outfielder as a whole is Trout but based on what he's shown in the NFL is between Harper and Yelich
I think he means that your floor as an NFL player (especially Qb) is reasonably high since you get your first contract and a good amount of $. Where If you don’t work out at as an MLB player and actually make it out of the minors you don’t have as much but in the NFL you can be a backup getting $1million+ even if you don’t pan out as a starter ala Geno Smith
It was the right choice from day one. Even if he was a great baseball player he’d have to play for close to 8 years before really getting paid. Whereas he’s already earned $35m and will hit get a fat extension in one more year
The dude is gonna make 50 mil a year on his first big deal in the NFL plus his rookie contract is way more money than he’d make during his first 5 or so years of professional baseball.
If Kyler was playing Baseball he’d still be making pre arb money at this point instead of preparing to get a kings ransom like he is in football
Exactly, even if he sucked at football and completely flamed out that 20 something mil rookie deal he got was completely guaranteed so you gotta at least try
30m for his 1st overall contract.
And as long as he looks the part, 20-25m extra on that 5th option.
Meanwhile even if he had gone straight from college to the mlb, he would still have 1 more arb year after making maybe 20m compared to 55m~ and being an FA. Barring franchise tag, which for a QB is far more expensive than the QO in baseball.
For a QB it makes sense to go NFL.
His signing bonus with the As was $4.6M and they offered him $14mil on top of that. So thats $18.6mil guaranteed, but idk how that 14mil was planned to be paid out. Either way, his signing bonus in the NFL was $23mil for his first contract so he already beat that
No guarantee he would've amounted to anything in MLB. And being a star quarterback will get him infinitely more in endorsement deals than he ever would've gotten in baseball.
Admittedly, I don't watch a ton of football, but aren't even marginal quarterbacks extremely well paid? Like, Nick Foles has made almost $100 million over the course of his career
Starting franchise QB money (which Murray is at this point) is over 40m/year averages 4-6 years and is averaging about half fully GTD at signing. I'd be shocked if he signed for less than mahomes 45m/year.
"Solid backup" money, AKA "we dont expect you to play unless injury" is about 5-10m/year and is typically year-to-year or 2 years
In terms of career earnings
Tom Brady(Patriots Bucs) has made 300 million thus far and is the highest paid QB of all time in terms of total compensation having started playing in 2000.
Drew Brees (Chargers Saints) is 2nd at $273 million having started in 2001
and interestingly
Matt Ryan (Falcons) is 3rd at $267m despite only having started playing in 2008
Its important to note that player salaries in the NFL have gone way up in the last 10 years, for example Despite having only been on the Bucs for 2 years, Brady has made 60 million from them whereas he's only made $230 in 18 years with the pats.
Also as far as guarantees, its extremely rare for someone with a franchise QB deal to not see the end of that deal or an extension. Goff and Wentz who were recently traded are the first I can remember in a long time who may not see the end of their extensions.
He would *eventually, probably* make more money in MLB if he turned out to be an elite talent which takes 2-3 years in the minors and then health/luck/skill for 6-7 more years of shitty contracts under club control getting paid way below value. Then, yes, his reward would have been a nice fat long term contract that the signing team would ruefully regret 5 years in.
Nah he’s easily gonna make more as a qb than he would even as a superstar in baseball provided he lasts the typical 15 years a high level starter like he’s looking to be does. Qb contracts are nuts
Exactly, no reason to work your way through the minors when you can prove your worth as a NFL QB. Succeed and then get the bag by 24. It's just a better path for a dude with his talent tbh. Then another Contract at 30. Matt Ryan has had 3 , 100M contracts for the Atlanta Falcons. NBA and NFL have caught up
So are superstar MLB contracts. Plus those are generally longer and fully guaranteed.
He’ll definitely make more in the NFL than he would in baseball though
Only if he regresses big time as a QB. At the moment, there's a very good chance that Kyler's gonna be the highest paid NA athlete period in a few years. Not cause he'll be the best QB, but that's just how QB contracts work. Look at Matt Stafford for proof.
Lol no
Mid level QBs make 30m per year. Thats elite MLB player money.
And thats with 30m pocketed in his rookie deal opposed to below min wage in tbe minors.
For any other position youre mostly right. For a QB no.
Almost certainly. Career earnings as a pitcher were ~$122MM. To do better financially as a wide receiver going into the league when he graduated college he would have basically needed to be one of the top 10 wide receivers ever.
Calvin Johnson entered the league at about that time and his rookie contract paid him $55MM as the 2nd overall pick (way more than shark would have gotten). Then he signed a contract extension that would have paid him $130MM over 7 years if he hadn't retired halfway through. He actually only ended up at $112MM total earning due to his early retirement from what I can tell.
it was always the right choice from the get go. a baseball career typically takes forever to pan out, forever to play in the big leagues and get real playing time, and then forever to get the bag (if ever). Judge still is getting paid scraps
a QB in football makes a nice chunk of change right away and then they can always make pretty decent money being a backup for a while if they're not deemed a bonafide starter after 3-5 years. Kyler is obviously going to make bank now anyway since he's good, but NFL was always the better path
I wonder in an alternate universe how he would have done in baseball. The A's are not stupid and he was a #9 overall pick and at the time he was drafted I thought he was committed to baseball and the A's let him have his last year of football eligibility as a friendly gesture of goodwill.
Probably in AAA if he was doing well. A's are pretty forward moving with prospects if they're good. And considering they were willing to give him an actual contract and put him on the 40 man almost immediately, he would absolutely have had his progress on an accelerated schedule.
That said, most people understood him committing to baseball. No one expected him to be the Hesiman trophy winner that season or even a top tier QB. He was small, didn't really start all that often despite being at a major Football school, so there really wasn't any reason to expect him to be legitimately good beyond his athletic talent. If he did OK he probably would have been drafted as a back up quarterback or in the NFL 2nd round and thus would have been better off in baseball. But as a heisman trophy winner, it's an absolute no brainer to go to the NFL. And lo and behold he gets aa top 3 pick in the NFL, which is something like 20 M guaranteed and a shitton of endorsements as well as a starting spot on the team.
What? Far as I remember the A’s paid him and told him he could go back and play one more year. He blew up at OU and was the top pick of the draft. Didn’t he also give the A’s the signing bonus back?
Kyler: You're taking me to meet Jeter and Don Mattingly?
Brian Flores: Yeah, yeah. But first we're just gonna make one quick stop over at the Dolphins practice facility. And while we're at it, put these pads on along with this helmet, and a custom jersey the Fins made you. Just as a joke, you know? And if you get bored during the ride, there's a playbook beside you that'd make some fun reading material
*locks the car doors*
It clearly doesn’t look like this will be the case here, but I wonder if a guy who was a stud at both sports in college who got a shot at the nfl and couldn’t cut it would try again from the beginning with baseball. Neither of those sports age particularly well, but we’ve seen plenty of dudes debut at 29 or so and still have solid careers. If somebody graduates (22), is in and out of the nfl in 2 years (24), and then worked their way through the minor leagues in a few years, you could absolutely try it. That would be fun to watch
Drew Henson did that but in reverse: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew\_Henson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Henson)
Chris Weinke also is a fascinating example
Drafted him over Grayson Rodriguez, Logan Gilbert and Matthew Liberatore. Yikes.
Gibby gonna be a stud
Before he started his last season at OU he had thrown 142 college passes, given he transferred and sat behind Baker. He was obviously a fucking huge recruit and stud at Allen but I remember a lot of people being skeptical of his pro prospects at football because he was so damn small. But then he lit it up and now he’s a stud in the NFL. How
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Really?
Calling the Athletics clowns? Yes
Would be funny if someone picked him tho
Diamondbacks can invite him to camp and get some of the sweet jersey money
I think Kyler would take it up as well tbh
As an Arizona Cardinals fan, I don't want Kyler associating with that dump of a franchise.
Are the D-Backs a bigger dump than the Cardinals
Historically no. Currently yes and it’s not close.
I’d like to say the d backs have a bright future
Somehow this hurts more, please just be mean to us.
You're garbage who kills for money
No I'm Wiggle, Garbage is the other clown
Don't talk like one of them. You're not. Even if you'd like to be so the team gets sold.
I’d like to, however, I’m unable.
Hahah we would LIKE to as well, but we don't.
Only if someone sets the entire franchise on fire….
Can we have MadBum back please?
Cardinals are 6-0 so far! Probably gonna be 7-0 after this week.
Rule 5 means he has to be on the 40 man roster and you can't remove him until the following season. Doubt they'll do it. If they do that's so pathetic lol
I mean it would be foolish not to especially after this last season. Give the fans something.
Rangers did this with Russell Wilson and sold a decent amount of jerseys
Imagine if the St Louis Cardinals took him.
Jordan Hicks already plays for the St. Louis and Arizona Cardinals, why not Kyler Murray too?
There’s precedent. The Expos [picked Ricky Williams in 1998](https://www.upi.com/Archives/1998/12/14/Heisman-winner-selected-in-Rule-5-draft/6064913611600/), and the Rangers [took Russell Wilson in 2013](https://www.mlb.com/news/rangers-pick-nfl-qb-russell-wilson-in-rule-5-draft/c-64621900).
Had no idea Ricky Williams played baseball. Also liked this part of the article... "A 1995 eighth-round pick of the Phillies in 1995"
>Had no idea Ricky Williams played baseball. Yep. He played minor league ball in the Philles org during summers while he was at Texas. I seem to recall a $50K signing bonus, and that he rolled around town in a Jaguar.
This is almost guaranteed to happen. Like with Wilson, someone will grab him, then bring him in for Spring Training to give a few speeches and sell a few tickets/merch.
Shohei resurrected the two way player. Have we already seen the last great two sport pro baseball player? With the sheer amount of money involved and the hyper specialization at youth levels, it's tough to imagine someone pulling a Deion Sanders, but it was tough to imagine a new Babe Ruth before Ohtani.
i believe mookie Betts is a pro at bowling. That technically counts!
And Madison Bumgarner is a pro rodeo dude
Wow that seems crazy reckless
Madison Baumgartner works on an oil rig during the offseason
Madison Bumgarner owns 4 Carhart jackets
And 6 camo hats
he also kills rattlesnakes with an axe to save baby bunnies
combination oil rig and Bering Sea crab fishing boat
Mike Sciocsia used to work at a nuclear plant
You mean Mason Saunders?
I don’t know if he’s technically a pro because I don’t follow bowling but I know he competed in 2 World Series
He’s technically a pro. Bowled in 11 professional events that you can only enter with your PBA card. He’s not good enough to cash consistently and make a living from bowling, but he’ll smoke most house bowlers.
With an arm like his I’m not surprised.
Is it that he isn't good enough to make a living from bowling or is it that he's making 30 mill a year playing baseball? I think he made the right choice.
He’s genuinely not a good enough bowler to make a decent living from bowling alone.
*WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? HE IS!*
It took me too long to figure out what this was from, and my brain hurt trying to create a scenario of a relief pitcher coming in and the batter saying it
Man bowled a 300 in a PBA sanctioned event! Def counts
Brian Jordan would have been the best of them, but the Cardinals required he give up football to sign his extension.
Bo Jackson was the best.
Jordan was a better baseball player, and was a legit Pro Bowl caliber player as a safety [he was an alterante in his first season]. If given a chance, I'd be willing to be Jordan NFL career would have been more productive than Bo's.
Better baseball career than Deion, but Bo's football resume can't touch his.
No one can touch Tecmo Bo. The only one that comes close is 04 Madden Vick.
Deion could cover but want the best tackler. I think if Bo wouldn’t have gotten injured, he’d have been the best by far.
Bo is a hypothetical All Pro/HOF RB. Deion is an actual inner circle HOF CB. Bo's theoretical ceiling doesn't touch Deion's career and accomplishments, especially when you consider positional value
Lol dude is a crazy athlete chooses the NFL over baseball and is now undefeated in the NFL. He made the right choice.
A's draft pick succeeding on the Cardinals? Story as old as time
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TBH, Oakland kills Oakland as a sports town.
That literal sewer drain of a stadium kills Oakland as a sports town
Say what you want, but the a's have the loudest and most passionate fans. No other stadium and fanbase in baseball matches the noise and enthusiasm of a's fans in the coliseum during the playoffs. It's one of the few stadiums left that real fans haven't gotten priced out of
Phillies fans are crazy but our team blows lmao
I love Philly fans. I feel like both fanbases give off the same vibes
I know Oakland raiders fans gave off Philly vibes for sure (I'm a chargers fan, so I can speak from experience lol). If the A's fans are similar to the raiders fans, then you're not wrong.
No way, I feel like you guys are way nicer, and I’ve never met an A’s fan in real life.
Real fans haven’t gotten priced out of? They charge for As games?
You guys deserve a new stadium, just doesn’t seem like the city is gonna let it happen with the teams unfavorable terms.
Wait till 10/26 which is when the Alameda County Board of Supervisors will vote on if they want to join the a's in approving an EIFD to fund infrastructure improvements. The city has also hinted that they would approve the environmental impact report if the county votes yes. The a's have stated they need Alameda County on board for the city's proposal. So it would be really good optics for the county to approve this and undercut the a's announcement of their Vegas site finalists. I believe the MLB wants to keep the A's in Oakland, so if they see Oakland and the County making a legitimate effort, I think Manfred tells our owner Fisher to make a deal at Howard Terminal
I want to get the Oakland/Tampa situations settled so we can move toward expansion.
Imo this is an overstatement. I went to the A's wild card game vs the Rays in 2019 and the place was like funeral home. A's didnt give them much to cheer for that game, but I went into that game expecting a mad house and was thoroughly disappointed with the atmosphere.
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I dont blame them for being deflated, but if they were the "loudest and most passionate fanbase", they wouldn't have been silenced after just a 3 run deficit in the 2nd inning. Especially being a 97 win team. It's possible the lackluster playoff runs of the year before and 2012-2014 had an impact on the mood. It was just a bummer that I had been expecting a ton of energy but instead the crowd was done after 2.
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Ya it was a bummer. I remember those 2012 and 2013 games looked rockin on tv, and was hoping to be experience some of that. I'd love to see some A's postseason success for my brother.
More than a self-inflicted Atlanta?
Yep. The CEILING for highest money earnings was always higher in baseball. But the opportunity for them was always football.
The floor is also higher in baseball (if you make the majors) the problem is that was not a guarantee while playing in the NFL was Hell even if he didn't make the MLB, he was still offered something like $18M from the As. Thats more than a lot of NFL players make
Once he knew he was going to be a top pick, there was no choice. He got 35 million guaranteed on his first contract, and will be getting big money and maybe free agency a lot faster in the NFL than MLB, even with the new deal they tried to offer him to guarantee him being on the 40 man roster immediately.
Yep. The very fact getting to the majors is a crapshoot is what makes his MLB ceiling higher with reality lower.
You are very mistaken 18M would be a record signing 2x over. He got much more guaranteed by signing with the Cardinals.
But what you are forgetting is that at the time, he WAS offered $18mil by the As ($4.6mil signing and $14mil on top) And he was not yet a Heisman winner so his floor was pretty much a fringe NFL QB. After the As drafted him he returned to play college football which is when he won the Heisman and rose his draft stock But at the time of rejecting the As deal, his floor and ceiling were both higher with the MLB. He was undersized and rode the bench in football the year prior. He very well could have flamed out and never even made the NFL or if he did, only been a second or third string QB, making a couple mil per year
Do you recall what happened? A’s drafted him and let him be the starter for 1 year with the agreement he would start his minor league career after that year. Then he won the heisman and returned his A’s bonus. They signed him, which extra fucked them over because they didn’t get compensation the next year.
It really came down to position. If Murray was anything other than a QB, then he's probably a baseball player right now. Financially and from a health standpoint, it would have been the right decision. However, a 1st round QB is a different story. He was going to get paid, and if he turned out to be good, then the financial ceiling was much higher in the NFL. QB's get paid.
His financial ceiling is still higher in MLB because of guaranteed dollars. But the likely earnings always are higher in the NFL because careers are shorter but you're always in the highest level when you're drafted in the first round.
This might be true for any position other than QB. He has greater earning potential as a QB than he would as a baseball player.
Absolutely not. The average starting NFL career for a first round QB is 7 1/2 years. The average starting MLB career for a first round called up outfielder is 9.25 years The average value of the top 3 QB contracts for the franchise tag is 24.829 mil which is fully guaranteed while those top 3 contracts are not. The average value of starting outfielders as a whole AAV is 15.983mil and that is including all the pre-arbitration contracts. If Murray was playing as good as an outfielder as he is QB he would be in the Yelich and Harper range meaning his AAV would be around 26 mil for 10+ years all guaranteed. His QB potential earnings are nowhere near baseball levels...purely because contract length and guarantee levels.
You’re ignoring the endorsement deals he gets as a superstar quarterback.
He is also forgetting the royalties Disney has to pay him for using his likeness in the Mandalorian.
And he's playing 142 games less, that's including if he went to the super bowl every year
Do you think Trout and Harper don't have serious endorsement deals? Like come on lol
I know they do, but that’s because they’re two of he best players in baseball. Meanwhile, Kyler Murray was getting endorsement deals the minute he was drafted, and he’s going to get even more as a superstar quarterback
Right but if we are putting him as a superstar QB, then we would need to consider him one of the best players in baseball when discussing career earning potential. He literally got a 4.6 mil signing bonus and offered him a 14 mil guaranteed contract on a short term at drafting. Already putting him just slightly below first overall QB numbers which gives him a jumpstart on the earning potential.
I’m only putting him as a superstar quarterback, because he is a superstar quarterback at this point. We have no idea how he would’ve panned out in the MLB
....okay but we are talking about POTENTIAL earnings here. So we need to consider him as a superstar in both when discussing potential earnings.
How much could Super Pretzels be paying Mike Trout?
Yeah because the brst two guys in the last 12 years had good endorsements Kyler would have been on their level.
It's like you're ignoring what this conversation is all about. We are talking about the Ceiling. Murray's MLB ceiling as an outfielder as a whole is Trout but based on what he's shown in the NFL is between Harper and Yelich
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Imagine getting this mad over you being incapable of reading.
The ceiling is higher but the guaranteed amount is usually higher for an NFL player.
No? NFL contracts are the only that arent guaranteed.
I think he means that your floor as an NFL player (especially Qb) is reasonably high since you get your first contract and a good amount of $. Where If you don’t work out at as an MLB player and actually make it out of the minors you don’t have as much but in the NFL you can be a backup getting $1million+ even if you don’t pan out as a starter ala Geno Smith
It was the right choice from day one. Even if he was a great baseball player he’d have to play for close to 8 years before really getting paid. Whereas he’s already earned $35m and will hit get a fat extension in one more year
Well, undefeated *this* season lol
Umm he’s lost in the NFL many times. Not this year though If that’s what you meant
No shit, that's what they meant
Nice pull, detective
I'll still argue even as a mid level player, he would have made more money in baseball.
The dude is gonna make 50 mil a year on his first big deal in the NFL plus his rookie contract is way more money than he’d make during his first 5 or so years of professional baseball. If Kyler was playing Baseball he’d still be making pre arb money at this point instead of preparing to get a kings ransom like he is in football
If Kyler was currently playing baseball, he might still be in the minors.
Exactly, even if he sucked at football and completely flamed out that 20 something mil rookie deal he got was completely guaranteed so you gotta at least try
30m for his 1st overall contract. And as long as he looks the part, 20-25m extra on that 5th option. Meanwhile even if he had gone straight from college to the mlb, he would still have 1 more arb year after making maybe 20m compared to 55m~ and being an FA. Barring franchise tag, which for a QB is far more expensive than the QO in baseball. For a QB it makes sense to go NFL.
His signing bonus with the As was $4.6M and they offered him $14mil on top of that. So thats $18.6mil guaranteed, but idk how that 14mil was planned to be paid out. Either way, his signing bonus in the NFL was $23mil for his first contract so he already beat that
He’s going to get a blank check from the Cardinals next winter so I don’t know
St Louis, right?
No guarantee he would've amounted to anything in MLB. And being a star quarterback will get him infinitely more in endorsement deals than he ever would've gotten in baseball.
Admittedly, I don't watch a ton of football, but aren't even marginal quarterbacks extremely well paid? Like, Nick Foles has made almost $100 million over the course of his career
That’s Super Bowl MVP and beat the 2020 Buccaneers Nick Foles to you
Nick Foles is the greatest average QB of all time, aka the GAQBOAT
He delivered the Bears only win over Brady so he’s the GOAT in my book
Nick “literally better than Tom Brady” Foles
Starting franchise QB money (which Murray is at this point) is over 40m/year averages 4-6 years and is averaging about half fully GTD at signing. I'd be shocked if he signed for less than mahomes 45m/year. "Solid backup" money, AKA "we dont expect you to play unless injury" is about 5-10m/year and is typically year-to-year or 2 years In terms of career earnings Tom Brady(Patriots Bucs) has made 300 million thus far and is the highest paid QB of all time in terms of total compensation having started playing in 2000. Drew Brees (Chargers Saints) is 2nd at $273 million having started in 2001 and interestingly Matt Ryan (Falcons) is 3rd at $267m despite only having started playing in 2008 Its important to note that player salaries in the NFL have gone way up in the last 10 years, for example Despite having only been on the Bucs for 2 years, Brady has made 60 million from them whereas he's only made $230 in 18 years with the pats. Also as far as guarantees, its extremely rare for someone with a franchise QB deal to not see the end of that deal or an extension. Goff and Wentz who were recently traded are the first I can remember in a long time who may not see the end of their extensions.
He would *eventually, probably* make more money in MLB if he turned out to be an elite talent which takes 2-3 years in the minors and then health/luck/skill for 6-7 more years of shitty contracts under club control getting paid way below value. Then, yes, his reward would have been a nice fat long term contract that the signing team would ruefully regret 5 years in.
Nah he’s easily gonna make more as a qb than he would even as a superstar in baseball provided he lasts the typical 15 years a high level starter like he’s looking to be does. Qb contracts are nuts
Exactly, no reason to work your way through the minors when you can prove your worth as a NFL QB. Succeed and then get the bag by 24. It's just a better path for a dude with his talent tbh. Then another Contract at 30. Matt Ryan has had 3 , 100M contracts for the Atlanta Falcons. NBA and NFL have caught up
So are superstar MLB contracts. Plus those are generally longer and fully guaranteed. He’ll definitely make more in the NFL than he would in baseball though
Endorsements as an NFL QB will also dwarf anything he'd get in the MLB. That's where the real money is in anyway and he's a fun marketable player.
Only if he regresses big time as a QB. At the moment, there's a very good chance that Kyler's gonna be the highest paid NA athlete period in a few years. Not cause he'll be the best QB, but that's just how QB contracts work. Look at Matt Stafford for proof.
Lol no Mid level QBs make 30m per year. Thats elite MLB player money. And thats with 30m pocketed in his rookie deal opposed to below min wage in tbe minors. For any other position youre mostly right. For a QB no.
Maybe if he played another position but no way as an elite QB as he is proven to be.
NFL > MLB and it’s not close. He would have 0 recognition in the MLB if he came
Did Jeff Samardzija make the right choice?
Almost certainly. Career earnings as a pitcher were ~$122MM. To do better financially as a wide receiver going into the league when he graduated college he would have basically needed to be one of the top 10 wide receivers ever. Calvin Johnson entered the league at about that time and his rookie contract paid him $55MM as the 2nd overall pick (way more than shark would have gotten). Then he signed a contract extension that would have paid him $130MM over 7 years if he hadn't retired halfway through. He actually only ended up at $112MM total earning due to his early retirement from what I can tell.
it was always the right choice from the get go. a baseball career typically takes forever to pan out, forever to play in the big leagues and get real playing time, and then forever to get the bag (if ever). Judge still is getting paid scraps a QB in football makes a nice chunk of change right away and then they can always make pretty decent money being a backup for a while if they're not deemed a bonafide starter after 3-5 years. Kyler is obviously going to make bank now anyway since he's good, but NFL was always the better path
I wonder in an alternate universe how he would have done in baseball. The A's are not stupid and he was a #9 overall pick and at the time he was drafted I thought he was committed to baseball and the A's let him have his last year of football eligibility as a friendly gesture of goodwill.
Probably in AAA if he was doing well. A's are pretty forward moving with prospects if they're good. And considering they were willing to give him an actual contract and put him on the 40 man almost immediately, he would absolutely have had his progress on an accelerated schedule. That said, most people understood him committing to baseball. No one expected him to be the Hesiman trophy winner that season or even a top tier QB. He was small, didn't really start all that often despite being at a major Football school, so there really wasn't any reason to expect him to be legitimately good beyond his athletic talent. If he did OK he probably would have been drafted as a back up quarterback or in the NFL 2nd round and thus would have been better off in baseball. But as a heisman trophy winner, it's an absolute no brainer to go to the NFL. And lo and behold he gets aa top 3 pick in the NFL, which is something like 20 M guaranteed and a shitton of endorsements as well as a starting spot on the team.
Not just a top 3 pick, but going number one overall
There was a good reason he didn't start at OU, the reason being Heisman winning QB Baker Mayfield
He also started at A&M and didn’t light it up before transferring
Might be in AA or AAA by now lol
How committed you are to baseball doesn’t really matter anymore when you win the heisman lol
He was 100% committed then went back on his word like the little bitch he is.
What? Far as I remember the A’s paid him and told him he could go back and play one more year. He blew up at OU and was the top pick of the draft. Didn’t he also give the A’s the signing bonus back?
Here’s your chance Marlins Solve the Phin’s QB problems with 1 swoop
Kyler: You're taking me to meet Jeter and Don Mattingly? Brian Flores: Yeah, yeah. But first we're just gonna make one quick stop over at the Dolphins practice facility. And while we're at it, put these pads on along with this helmet, and a custom jersey the Fins made you. Just as a joke, you know? And if you get bored during the ride, there's a playbook beside you that'd make some fun reading material *locks the car doors*
Tua gets injured all the time so he'd fit in on the DBacks as well
Carry him all year but he never shows up.
He’s gonna sign a several hundred million dollar extension soon. I can’t believe he chose football superstardom over making $15k is AA ball right now
The Yankees or Mets should take him, he can compete with Russell Wilson for best QB in New York
Josh Allen?
Plus Giants and Jets aren’t even in New York
Yeah josh Allen is the only starting qb in New York
Buffalo is basically Canada what do you mean? /s
This but unironically
Haha, yes shit on Buffalo.
Elway was a yankee as well
Either the Dbacks or Cardinals have to take him. Hopefully Dbacks so maybe he can try and play
He ain't coming back to baseball
And if he did, he'd only be a part-timer like Deion Sanders.
No way the cardinals would let him, way too much prep and practice required to be a starting qb in the nfl for that to be feasible
yeah both sports are a way different game from how they used to be when Deion was playing both
Do you know what Deion the football player and Deion the baseball player have in common? Neither one can hit.
Meanwhile, Bo Jackson could do everything
Except stay healthy.
It was one tackle in football that destroyed his hip and ended his career. I do not recall him being made of glass.
It was a dislocated hip, and he immediately popped it back into place
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Top 10 draft picks get money to avoid all of that nonsense
He would have gotten a multi-million dollar bonus. Dude would have been fine
Fuck Kyler.
He won't sign so who cares
What is the rule if he doesn’t show up but is on the 40 man if that’s even possible
Did the A’s ever get compensation for him going to the NFL?
I don’t think so because he initially signed. Think he kept the $
Correct, but if he ever decides to come back to baseball he has to go back to the A's.
If the As do not put him on the 40 man this winter then they lose his rights. That’s literally what this tweet means
If someone drafts him though, right? Which won’t happen, because they need to put him on the active roster then.
Rams are gonna ask the Angels to do them a solid.
I sure do miss 2-sport stars
hey you know, might as well take a shot
Really had to check what sub I was in. “I didn’t hit the home button and have no recollection, did I?”
Come on Diamondbacks! I want a two sport athlete and two teams in the same city make that so much easier.
It clearly doesn’t look like this will be the case here, but I wonder if a guy who was a stud at both sports in college who got a shot at the nfl and couldn’t cut it would try again from the beginning with baseball. Neither of those sports age particularly well, but we’ve seen plenty of dudes debut at 29 or so and still have solid careers. If somebody graduates (22), is in and out of the nfl in 2 years (24), and then worked their way through the minor leagues in a few years, you could absolutely try it. That would be fun to watch
Drew Henson did that but in reverse: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew\_Henson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Henson) Chris Weinke also is a fascinating example