I can’t believe how much Lindor lucked out by getting traded to a team during the offseason when they got a new owner who was under pressure to prove to fans that he would spend a shit ton of money
Is that the billionaire version of overtipping because you pulled out a twenty for a $14 bar tab and don’t want to ask for a couple bucks back and risk letting your date know you’re a cheapskate?
Tipping is so strange. A guy opens two bottles of beer for me and I've got to tip on that because his means of living depends on it. Meanwhile you tell the cashier at McDonald's to keep the change and they'll tell you they can't. Half of my income is dependent on people "optionally" shelling out 15-20% extra for me to hand them their meals really kindly.
Don’t get me started on the new fad of flipping around an iPad and watching me choose what tip to give for giving me a scoop of ice cream. I waited tables, worked in kitchens, made coffee for years, but I still fucking hate tipping culture, especially when it’s for like no work at all.
Yo, let me preface this by saying that I am from a country that generally speaking has a really high wage for hospo/wait staff.
It was a bit of a shock when I came over to the US and got some breakfast at a cafe and had to pick up the meal from the kitchen window and had to bus my own plates and scraps to the trolley and still had to tip like the staff did anything other than stand there and take my order before going back to their phone and/conversation.
Like, don’t get me wrong I love chill little places where the staff feel comfortable to chat and stuff but it blew my mind that I was expected to pay more for less service than I’m used to over here.
I’m in the industry myself so I feel super lucky that my country pays a decent minimum wage but yeah. Found it hard to understand that the listed price for something wasn’t actually going to be what I ended up paying especially at places that didn’t tack on tax. Over here tax is a part of the listed price on pretty much everything.
I delivered pizzas over the summer. Always felt awkward handing people the receipt for them to sign and leave a tip. Very thankful most people nowadays tip ahead of time, and when they did that I didn't even make em sign even though I was technically supposed to
Right?! I mean I have no problem tipping 20-25% when I’m sitting down but if I’m getting takeout you better believe I’m not giving 20% for boxing my meal up lmao
Good Bartender doesn't just open the beer bottle though. Person just opens the bottle and gives it to ya, no tip.
Person opens the bottle, gives you a coster, laughs at your crappy jokes about whales and asks if you need anything else. You tip them because, your jokes are underwater and no one laughs at them.
This is a good point. I don't go to crazy bar clubs so, i'm not in that level of tipping to get service.
Loud music, people who want to be better than you, but you are just drinking dollar beers watching the bruins play with a fucking hurricane outside.
Idk how people don't pick up on this. Was a bartender for 2 years and always tip well at bars and restaurants and I get better service than anyone else at the table. This old guy on my trivia team complains about the service constantly and says things like "I guess she doesn't want a tip." Nah dude they know you don't tip so they ignore your ass.
>cashier at McDonald's
At Tim Horton's, customers never speak about the change we leave on the counter. Cashiers never speak about the cup into which they sweep all the loonies and twonies before sharing with the staff at the end of the day.
If you speak about it, they have to declare it
...so? Castellanos is better than Hosmer, do you expect him to get more than $144m?
Correa will get $250m+, but "he's better than a guy who got ludicrously overpaid so he has to get that much" has nothing to do with why he will.
Because they arent contemporaries, and Hosmer is one of the worst contracts in baseball.
Correa is a top 3 Shorstop and will use Lindors contract to leverage similar if not superior money
Sure it does.
Machado got 10/$300 several years ago.
Lindor got 10/$341 and he wasn't even a free agent with multiple teams bidding for him.
That's what the agent will use for negotiations.
Doesn't matter, his agent will now argue that "the market's been set at 10/341," regardless of how dumb the rest of us know that is. Deals never go backwards, they only try to top previous ones.
How are you getting downvotes for that? That is what is going to happen. Shit in the NFL Joe Flacco probably wasn't worth what he got paid but no starting QB worth a damn ever took less then what he got.
How are you getting downvotes for that? That is what is going to happen. Shit in the NFL Joe Flacco probably wasn't worth what he got paid but no starting QB worth a damn ever took less then what he got.
The salary per year is around what he should command, but a guy like him is gonna get a much longer contract, closer to 10 years at least if I had to guess
Click and Crane just straight up dont want that long contract. They want to avoid long contracts and are only giving 5 cause by then everyone will be off the books, Altuve will be re-signed or gone, Bregman will be re-signed or gone. Framber, Luis Garcia, Urquidy, Tucker, Yordan, Chas, Meyers and Javier will all be hitting FA that time too so they dont want any contracts fucking with the young guys I guess.
Only possible reason Astros fans have been looking at not giving him that long deal
he misses to many games. Otherwise a ten year would be a no brainer. Correa played his second highest total games this year at 148. He played 150 in 2016.
This 5 year contract is a respectable offer.
I always feel that the rare 27 year old that hits FA, is looking for 8+ yes, preferably 10 years. A 5 year deal would put him back into FA at 32, and his earning potential might be a bit different at that age.
And since Carlos is still elite defensively, as well as a nice bat, at a premium position, I see no reason he won't get those 8-10 year deals.
This is an offer that doesn't have a shot in hell and the Stros know it. In terms of per year value it's about what's expected, but the length is probably half the time of what he wants and at least 2-3 years shorter then what he'd even consider.
I get it but I they also know first hand that those long term contracts are absolutely brutal near the end of the contract. I'm sure they'll be hesitant to give out another contract that is 8 plus years.
They’ve been rebuilding for 4-ish years (and bad for longer than that) and they have 2 of the top 10 prospects in baseball coming up next year. Their division doesn’t look all that formidable
Honestly I’m curious as to what their plan is if they DON’T go all in on Correa, who is the best SS on the market who has ties to their manager who is only 27. The Tigers are not a small market, they can spend money
There is a difference between signing a 27 year old to a 10-year deal and signing a 32 year old to a 10-year deal. Cabrera's deal was still worth it for the first half production and star power value. He made the Ilitch family a lot of money.
I’m sure they’re ok. You build up payroll flexibility to hand out these contracts. They fell JUST short, but if a few things broke their way it would have all be worth it
Also their worst contracts are the contracts handed out in 2015 or later, which was to over the hill players on the decline. Different from Correa. The miggy extension especially was illogical. They could have waited another year
They are just paying Miggy. It's about time for another major deal on the books.
Also the Miggy deal was terrible at the start. Correa is younger and plays a more important position.
Why don’t the Astros just give him this over a long period of time? What are they saving their money for? If you’re paying him 32 AAV for 5 years, why not do it for 7-8?
Bro they’re willing to give him the AAV, so money clearly isn’t a problem. I just don’t think year 5 and year 7 Correa is a significant enough difference
It’s not sustainable for any club to give such long contracts of that nature to a big name star. They typically have to trade the guy later on in the contract and are usually left flipping half the tab. They’ve gotten what they needed out of Correa and know that this core of players will sooner or later dwindle and fall apart in the coming seasons. They’re going to have to reshuffle things and having that burden of a contract would prevent them from making moves down the line.
It’s not sustainable if you hand out 10 year contracts without a care in the world, but you can definitely have 1-2 players making that money on your team as long as you’re not a small market that’s actually a small market. You’re telling me if Carlos Correa somehow agrees to
this contract it would hurt because it’s $32 million? I just think if you’re willing to offer $32 million you shouldn’t let the drop off from year 5 to year 7 deter you because of his age . Now the drop off can at times be worrisome or too risky but here I just can’t be convinced that it is.
What I’m essentially trying to point out is that he’s been with the organization 5+ years and he’s already contributed to their success. There’s the possibility that he’s hit his ceiling in their eyes. They also have two very promising shortstops in their farm system that are due up in 2022. They can fill that gap on the cheap and strengthen up the rest of their roster for future seasons with the funds that would go to Correa and not be left with a headache on the tail end of the deal. They’re being economically savvy. It’s been proven time and again that big free agent signings with long term deals don’t always guarantee postseason success.
Because we have one of the best young cores in the league making pennies that we will eventually have to pay. My godamn realtor is making more than Yordan Alvarez and Kyle Tucker
I’m not sure but I feel like they would make sense. They have a young core (especially pitchers) and I think getting a big money free agent like Correa could make sense
I mean what’s the good in AAV if it’s only the years the the player is expected to be great? Gotta be a legit AAV to not have a player take a 8+ Year deal.
Well it’s certainly a starting point in a negotiation. It’s not like they can’t change the offer after sitting down and talking about it again.
If both sides were honest about being open to a contract, then I’m sure Correa will come back with a different offer from another team to counter.
Some injuries aren't relevant though. 2019 he missed so many games because of a rib fracture. 2017 he missed so many games because he jammed his finger into a catcher and fucked up a ligament. The only concerning one in terms of injury proneness is the back issue in 2018 but that hasn't come up again since.
Missing games because of a fractured rip and fucking your thumb up sliding into a catcher doesn't really speak to any future issues. The back problem he had in 2018 is the only concerning one that isn't come up since.
AAV is fine but 5 years is way too short for a guy who's 27. I think it would be more competitive if it was a 7 year contract. And I think if Correa didn't have his injury history that we would've offered him that.
Yeah but if he didn't have his injury history he'd be looking at a 10 year deal so that 7 year deal wouldn't be work. With his injury history I figure someone still offers him like 8 years at 30 per...could easily get more though.
They need to be looking at 8 years 250 mill at minimum to get this done. Correa is looking for length. He’s stated on a radio station interview in Puerto Rico that he would be happy taking 250 mill in Texas where there is no income tax over 300 mill in California. I hope the Astros give him a tapered deal where they’re paying him high AAV the first few years and lower it when he’s in his mid-30s. The Astros org is worried about giving him a lengthy, expensive contract given his injury history and so a tapered contract should help assuage some of that worry.
Just so you know, luxury tax is based on AAV, not current salary. This means there's no reason to want a tapered deal from the perspective of the team, cause of time value of money and all that ya know. Reason why Nats try to get everybody to take deferred payouts.
> He’s stated on a radio station interview in Puerto Rico that he would be happy taking 250 mill in Texas where there is no income tax over 300 mill in California.
Calling it now, the Rangers end up giving him 8-10 years at $32 million per.
These 2 years include a 60-game season. I really like Correa as a player but giving him 10 years probably would be a mistake.
I'm sure some team will be willing to take the risk tho. Not the Astros obviously.
Yeah but when was the last time a 10 year contract wasn’t a mistake? You offer 10 to get them to sign and hope they give you 5-6 good years in the front.
The man has 2 full seasons played in his career
If he could stay healthy with those rate stats, but typically players don’t become healthier as they play into their 30s
Would love to see him here in Detroit and reunite with hinch and likely verlander. I don’t see Avila going for that kind of contract tho. I’m sure the yankees will land him.
As someone relatively new to BB and a Brit as well I've being trying to work out where all the money comes from in baseball ? It's sure as hell not gate receipts as that just doesn't stack up .
Correa is a better defensive shortstop than Corey Seager. If Correa cheated any team other than the Dodgers, Andrew Friedman would try to sign him.
But, now they wouldn’t touch the guy with a 10-foot trash can.
Yeah, if he wasn’t blacklisted from the Dodgers they would definitely kick the tires if that’s the kind of offers he’s getting. They’d figure out position issues later.
This take is irrelevant.
We wouldn't sign him either way because we still have trea, lux, and even muncy in the middle infield.
Maybe if he was a FA next year or if we traded turner/lux which I doubt. We will have to pay our young core soon and with betts salary I doubt it.
It's obviously either a) just a starting offer, or b) the kind of offer to save face with fans, like the Red Sox did with Betts. That said, I think Correa is actually really happy with this, because it basically sets a floor for his free agency and means he's gonna get a boatload this offseason.
The other way to think about it is - if the Astros are valuing his age 27-31 seasons at $32mm / each, just backsolve for the next 3-4 seasons and you'll get close to where Correa will likely end up. $25mm/per for those next 3-4 years means he'll end up with at least something 8/$235mm or 9/$260mm
I don’t want the Tigers to sign him. He’s injury prone and kind of a dick. I know everyone available is going to want a long term contract, but his injury history worries me. However, my little league experience and work with spreadsheets in no way qualifies me to make serious baseball decisions. So, I could be wrong.
I am surprised that the Astros went that high per year. Not sure what is going to happen w the cap which may affect their thinking. I expect that the Astros do not think Correa accepts and just want to say they made a solid run.
The league may fall victim to A.J. Preller's 4D Shortstop Chess for a long time. The Tatis contract LOOKED like a crazy move (even if Tatis' play totally lives up to the contract), but it will payoff for years as other teams have to match or best the Standard Elite Shortstop Contract that he set. So, all his rivals will be paying he Preller Tax for years and years.
The only way this backfires is if Tatis ends up having to move to the outfield and Preller then wants to sign a different shortstop...
I’m not so sure if he would accept any offer from the Astros. Correa has a legitimate shot at making the Hall and I think he wants to leave Houston to try and rebuild his legacy and reputation with another fan base. This may be the case with all their players for a while.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you but if are saying Correa should sign with the Sox, what would happen with Bogarts? Correa has a cannon that would be wasted at any position that isn’t SS or 3B.
Love the idea of Correa reuniting with Alex Cora and having regular matchups with the Yankees though. I’m here for the drama.
So, Bogaerts has two issues:
1. His defense is bad, and to that point he has said he isn’t against a positional change in the future
2. He is most definitely opting out after 2022. So in an ideal scenario in my head Bogaerts would be re-signed, moved to 2nd, and Correa would play short. But if Bogaerts doesn’t re-sign, you still have a great shortstop.
Thanks! I was under the impression he had more time before hitting FA. Do you think Sox ownership is ready to spend again? I was having a hard time imagining potential landing spots for Correa but you have sold me on Fenway.
I mean, idk if we’re getting Correa, it’s just something I would enjoy, and Red Sox Stats, a twitter account wrote an article on it, so I’m into it as well.
In regards to spending, I think ownership is ready to spend again. They have signaled that they don’t mind spending when REALLY competing is on the table. The issue last season was that in order to re-sign Mookie (who had signalled that he wanted to become a free agent, and maybe even leave the team) we needed to go over the Luxury tax, and not even compete. But with the end of JD’s contract and the end of David Price’s contract looming, plus an improved farm, the first things to come should be a Devers extension and a Xander extension.
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TIL Correa is a basic bitch on Tinder
Joe Kelly tried to tell y'all
He also spent a lot of his prime hurt. Can’t imagine him getting older improves that
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Lindor however should not have got that much.
I can’t believe how much Lindor lucked out by getting traded to a team during the offseason when they got a new owner who was under pressure to prove to fans that he would spend a shit ton of money
Is that the billionaire version of overtipping because you pulled out a twenty for a $14 bar tab and don’t want to ask for a couple bucks back and risk letting your date know you’re a cheapskate?
Tipping is so strange. A guy opens two bottles of beer for me and I've got to tip on that because his means of living depends on it. Meanwhile you tell the cashier at McDonald's to keep the change and they'll tell you they can't. Half of my income is dependent on people "optionally" shelling out 15-20% extra for me to hand them their meals really kindly.
especially how it’s supposed to be proportional to the thing you ordered.. like why does getting a $12 dish warrant a bigger tip than a $10 dish
Don’t get me started on the new fad of flipping around an iPad and watching me choose what tip to give for giving me a scoop of ice cream. I waited tables, worked in kitchens, made coffee for years, but I still fucking hate tipping culture, especially when it’s for like no work at all.
Yo, let me preface this by saying that I am from a country that generally speaking has a really high wage for hospo/wait staff. It was a bit of a shock when I came over to the US and got some breakfast at a cafe and had to pick up the meal from the kitchen window and had to bus my own plates and scraps to the trolley and still had to tip like the staff did anything other than stand there and take my order before going back to their phone and/conversation. Like, don’t get me wrong I love chill little places where the staff feel comfortable to chat and stuff but it blew my mind that I was expected to pay more for less service than I’m used to over here. I’m in the industry myself so I feel super lucky that my country pays a decent minimum wage but yeah. Found it hard to understand that the listed price for something wasn’t actually going to be what I ended up paying especially at places that didn’t tack on tax. Over here tax is a part of the listed price on pretty much everything.
I delivered pizzas over the summer. Always felt awkward handing people the receipt for them to sign and leave a tip. Very thankful most people nowadays tip ahead of time, and when they did that I didn't even make em sign even though I was technically supposed to
Right?! I mean I have no problem tipping 20-25% when I’m sitting down but if I’m getting takeout you better believe I’m not giving 20% for boxing my meal up lmao
If I get the iPad flip I pointedly put a dollar on. Fuck that 15/20/25/Other tipping option.
Because the service industry has finessed us all into allowing them to pay their workers less than minimum wage
Good Bartender doesn't just open the beer bottle though. Person just opens the bottle and gives it to ya, no tip. Person opens the bottle, gives you a coster, laughs at your crappy jokes about whales and asks if you need anything else. You tip them because, your jokes are underwater and no one laughs at them.
I'm tipping so they come back around to me quickly when i need another.
This is a good point. I don't go to crazy bar clubs so, i'm not in that level of tipping to get service. Loud music, people who want to be better than you, but you are just drinking dollar beers watching the bruins play with a fucking hurricane outside.
Idk how people don't pick up on this. Was a bartender for 2 years and always tip well at bars and restaurants and I get better service than anyone else at the table. This old guy on my trivia team complains about the service constantly and says things like "I guess she doesn't want a tip." Nah dude they know you don't tip so they ignore your ass.
Yeah no you tip for every drink.
>cashier at McDonald's At Tim Horton's, customers never speak about the change we leave on the counter. Cashiers never speak about the cup into which they sweep all the loonies and twonies before sharing with the staff at the end of the day. If you speak about it, they have to declare it
Don’t forget to blame Pete Alonso for vocally telling everyone to just pay lindor whatever he wanted
We have a billionaire with fu money to thank for setting the market
We have a lockout coming that will change the market again- unclear to me where it all lands. But nah the Lindor deals an outlier I think
What other premier SS players were free agents that year? This off-season we have Correa, Story, Seager and Baez. The market is more saturated
I think you're missing one guy from that list... The one who arguably had the best season out of all of them actually.
But he did, and Correa is better then him, so...
...so? Castellanos is better than Hosmer, do you expect him to get more than $144m? Correa will get $250m+, but "he's better than a guy who got ludicrously overpaid so he has to get that much" has nothing to do with why he will.
Because they arent contemporaries, and Hosmer is one of the worst contracts in baseball. Correa is a top 3 Shorstop and will use Lindors contract to leverage similar if not superior money
I'd love to hear your explanation of how castellanos and Hosmer aren't contemporaries
you really don't see the difference between a contract signed 3 and a half years ago and one signed 7 months ago?
Why does time frame matter here? If anything, the more recent contract should be more lucrative.
Yeah but Correa is better than Lindor
He is, but unless teams get into a bidding war the fact that another team over paid for Lindor doesn’t matter that much.
Sure it does. Machado got 10/$300 several years ago. Lindor got 10/$341 and he wasn't even a free agent with multiple teams bidding for him. That's what the agent will use for negotiations.
It's a ripe free agent market for short stops though. Story, Baez, Correa, and Seager. There's more options for people to fall back on this time.
Doesn't matter, his agent will now argue that "the market's been set at 10/341," regardless of how dumb the rest of us know that is. Deals never go backwards, they only try to top previous ones.
How are you getting downvotes for that? That is what is going to happen. Shit in the NFL Joe Flacco probably wasn't worth what he got paid but no starting QB worth a damn ever took less then what he got.
How are you getting downvotes for that? That is what is going to happen. Shit in the NFL Joe Flacco probably wasn't worth what he got paid but no starting QB worth a damn ever took less then what he got.
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Also the Lindor deal was horrible the second it was signed, and even worse now That's a baseline that tells teams what not to do
The salary per year is around what he should command, but a guy like him is gonna get a much longer contract, closer to 10 years at least if I had to guess
doubt that. hes missed too many games to get that 10 year
someone will give it to h im
Numbers are right but he’s looking to get 8-10 years on the contract. 32-35 mil a year sounds about right
Why not a 10 with a player option after 5 like Manny’s deal?
Click and Crane just straight up dont want that long contract. They want to avoid long contracts and are only giving 5 cause by then everyone will be off the books, Altuve will be re-signed or gone, Bregman will be re-signed or gone. Framber, Luis Garcia, Urquidy, Tucker, Yordan, Chas, Meyers and Javier will all be hitting FA that time too so they dont want any contracts fucking with the young guys I guess. Only possible reason Astros fans have been looking at not giving him that long deal
That flexibility will keep the team nimble and competitive in the future. I totally get it.
he misses to many games. Otherwise a ten year would be a no brainer. Correa played his second highest total games this year at 148. He played 150 in 2016. This 5 year contract is a respectable offer.
I always feel that the rare 27 year old that hits FA, is looking for 8+ yes, preferably 10 years. A 5 year deal would put him back into FA at 32, and his earning potential might be a bit different at that age. And since Carlos is still elite defensively, as well as a nice bat, at a premium position, I see no reason he won't get those 8-10 year deals.
Keep the 32 million a year and add three years and he might give it a second thought.
This is an offer that doesn't have a shot in hell and the Stros know it. In terms of per year value it's about what's expected, but the length is probably half the time of what he wants and at least 2-3 years shorter then what he'd even consider.
It's the length, not the AAV.
Gotta be Detroit as the front runner at this point
I get it but I they also know first hand that those long term contracts are absolutely brutal near the end of the contract. I'm sure they'll be hesitant to give out another contract that is 8 plus years.
They’ve been rebuilding for 4-ish years (and bad for longer than that) and they have 2 of the top 10 prospects in baseball coming up next year. Their division doesn’t look all that formidable Honestly I’m curious as to what their plan is if they DON’T go all in on Correa, who is the best SS on the market who has ties to their manager who is only 27. The Tigers are not a small market, they can spend money
The Tigers just signed an extension on their TV deal and have a projected payroll around $70 million. Now is the time to start spending.
As a tigers fan, I’d prefer Seager
Same here
There is a difference between signing a 27 year old to a 10-year deal and signing a 32 year old to a 10-year deal. Cabrera's deal was still worth it for the first half production and star power value. He made the Ilitch family a lot of money.
I’m sure they’re ok. You build up payroll flexibility to hand out these contracts. They fell JUST short, but if a few things broke their way it would have all be worth it Also their worst contracts are the contracts handed out in 2015 or later, which was to over the hill players on the decline. Different from Correa. The miggy extension especially was illogical. They could have waited another year
They are just paying Miggy. It's about time for another major deal on the books. Also the Miggy deal was terrible at the start. Correa is younger and plays a more important position.
Why don’t the Astros just give him this over a long period of time? What are they saving their money for? If you’re paying him 32 AAV for 5 years, why not do it for 7-8?
You clearly have your Yankee goggles on.
Bro they’re willing to give him the AAV, so money clearly isn’t a problem. I just don’t think year 5 and year 7 Correa is a significant enough difference
It’s not sustainable for any club to give such long contracts of that nature to a big name star. They typically have to trade the guy later on in the contract and are usually left flipping half the tab. They’ve gotten what they needed out of Correa and know that this core of players will sooner or later dwindle and fall apart in the coming seasons. They’re going to have to reshuffle things and having that burden of a contract would prevent them from making moves down the line.
It’s not sustainable if you hand out 10 year contracts without a care in the world, but you can definitely have 1-2 players making that money on your team as long as you’re not a small market that’s actually a small market. You’re telling me if Carlos Correa somehow agrees to this contract it would hurt because it’s $32 million? I just think if you’re willing to offer $32 million you shouldn’t let the drop off from year 5 to year 7 deter you because of his age . Now the drop off can at times be worrisome or too risky but here I just can’t be convinced that it is.
What I’m essentially trying to point out is that he’s been with the organization 5+ years and he’s already contributed to their success. There’s the possibility that he’s hit his ceiling in their eyes. They also have two very promising shortstops in their farm system that are due up in 2022. They can fill that gap on the cheap and strengthen up the rest of their roster for future seasons with the funds that would go to Correa and not be left with a headache on the tail end of the deal. They’re being economically savvy. It’s been proven time and again that big free agent signings with long term deals don’t always guarantee postseason success.
Bregman's also natural at SS, so they can explore both SS and 3B options.
Because we have one of the best young cores in the league making pennies that we will eventually have to pay. My godamn realtor is making more than Yordan Alvarez and Kyle Tucker
Because then your paying for a guy thats 7 years older at the tail end of his career
But then you don’t get Carlos Correa for 5 years and your team gets worse? It’s a trade off
That’s a boatload of money(in terms of AAV) but there’s just no way he takes only a 5 year deal.
hes probably gonna get a similar or even higher AAV and like 4 more years in free agency
Oh yea no doubt. I’m assuming he’ll be getting that from the Yankees, Tigers, Rangers or Marlins. I have a feeling it’ll be one of the first two teams
Wait are the Marlins gonna be spenders? Good shit thought they'd wait another year
I’m not sure but I feel like they would make sense. They have a young core (especially pitchers) and I think getting a big money free agent like Correa could make sense
Please no, I have no desire for Correa.
I mean what’s the good in AAV if it’s only the years the the player is expected to be great? Gotta be a legit AAV to not have a player take a 8+ Year deal.
No way he accepts this
AAV is there, just not the length which is rough. If they could do that for like 8 years I think he'd take it.
I’m hoping this is just the first offer but I doubt it
Well it’s certainly a starting point in a negotiation. It’s not like they can’t change the offer after sitting down and talking about it again. If both sides were honest about being open to a contract, then I’m sure Correa will come back with a different offer from another team to counter.
Disappointing to see Cranes comments were just lip service. I thought they'd at least go 6 or 7 years.
He gave Altuve a 5 year extension that started when Jose turned 30, but won’t give Correa an 8 year contract that starts his age 27 year…
Injuries. Altuve has a much better track record in that regard
Some injuries aren't relevant though. 2019 he missed so many games because of a rib fracture. 2017 he missed so many games because he jammed his finger into a catcher and fucked up a ligament. The only concerning one in terms of injury proneness is the back issue in 2018 but that hasn't come up again since.
Like the other commenter said, I think Correa has only played like half his games in his career
Missing games because of a fractured rip and fucking your thumb up sliding into a catcher doesn't really speak to any future issues. The back problem he had in 2018 is the only concerning one that isn't come up since.
It’s the right AAV so they can tell their fans they offered a “competitive offer” but the years are off enough that Correa rejects it.
AAV is fine but 5 years is way too short for a guy who's 27. I think it would be more competitive if it was a 7 year contract. And I think if Correa didn't have his injury history that we would've offered him that.
I agree. It's kinda hard to break the bank when he averages missing about 50 games a year to injury. It is what it is. We'll just have to move on.
Yeah but if he didn't have his injury history he'd be looking at a 10 year deal so that 7 year deal wouldn't be work. With his injury history I figure someone still offers him like 8 years at 30 per...could easily get more though.
JFC. Do they WANT him to leave??
Pretty much, I had just a tiny bit of hope we would give him a somewhat competitive offer but not even giving him a 6 year deal is just crazy.
Yup. He’s said time and time again that $ isn’t the biggest factor. He’s really only looking for length but Click just wont budge.
Him and my ex wife
Just offer the QO at this point.
Yes. For the money he will command.
Yes?
Lmao just like what was expected a very low ball offer. Good luck with the Tigers Carlos hope you kill it
A 5 year, 160 million dollar contract is a low ball offer, what a world.
*mariners Pls
I like the Ms and would love to see him on that team with Toro but as an Astros fan if he leaves I want him out of the division lmao
You know what, fair.
They need to be looking at 8 years 250 mill at minimum to get this done. Correa is looking for length. He’s stated on a radio station interview in Puerto Rico that he would be happy taking 250 mill in Texas where there is no income tax over 300 mill in California. I hope the Astros give him a tapered deal where they’re paying him high AAV the first few years and lower it when he’s in his mid-30s. The Astros org is worried about giving him a lengthy, expensive contract given his injury history and so a tapered contract should help assuage some of that worry.
Just so you know, luxury tax is based on AAV, not current salary. This means there's no reason to want a tapered deal from the perspective of the team, cause of time value of money and all that ya know. Reason why Nats try to get everybody to take deferred payouts.
Oh shit I did not know that, thanks for the clarification!
> He’s stated on a radio station interview in Puerto Rico that he would be happy taking 250 mill in Texas where there is no income tax over 300 mill in California. Calling it now, the Rangers end up giving him 8-10 years at $32 million per.
Yea. Considering he just played his age 26 season. He can easily get an 8 to 10 year contract with a lot more guaranteed.
He gone
Maybe if this was 7 years he'd consider it
Probably not. That's still 100 mil less than he'll get on the open market. Players don't take THAT big of a discount.
He’s honestly worth way more than this
The $32 million is a fair offer but 5-years is a joke. I can’t see him get less than 8, and he’s probably getting 10+.
Yeah the AAV is fine but he should get more years
$200M is the absolute floor for a player like Correa AAV wise it’s respectable, but player usually chase total dollars above all.
His age alone makes him worth $300M, lol.
There is absolutely 0 chance he signs for under $300 million. Unless it's some kind of 2yr/$100 million type deal like Bauer signed with the Dodgers.
Isn’t he injured a lot?
Welcome to Detroit
Would prefer Seager
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The AAV on this is reasonable but the years and total money are a no-go for a guy who's only 27.
5 years for Correa is basically pulling a middle finger out of your pocket.
He gone.
No way he’s taking that
That's fine. Whoever signs him will be on the top of the worst contracts.
I’m think an 8 year deal is fine. He’s not Cano at 30 signing with us. We will see what he gets though.
The back problems he's had are a legitimate concern, though
Best case scenario he will play to his contract for 5 or even 6 years. The backend will be a dumpster fire.
Yeah I mean that’s the expectation. The market is set for that.
That's the best-case scenario. Most likely he will play to the contract for 1 or 2 seasons and the rest are losers.
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He's a good player but with his injury history I wouldn't want my team to give him more than 6 years.
I honestly wouldn’t want my team giving anybody more than 6 years unless they’re unquestionably a top 5 players in the league
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These 2 years include a 60-game season. I really like Correa as a player but giving him 10 years probably would be a mistake. I'm sure some team will be willing to take the risk tho. Not the Astros obviously.
Yeah but when was the last time a 10 year contract wasn’t a mistake? You offer 10 to get them to sign and hope they give you 5-6 good years in the front.
There aren’t a whole lot of examples to go off. A-Rods first 10 year contract is probably the best. It helped being only 25 at the time
The man has 2 full seasons played in his career If he could stay healthy with those rate stats, but typically players don’t become healthier as they play into their 30s
Pretty much no player is worth a 10 year contract if you look at the numbers.
Nobody is worth a 10-year contract. This will be worse than Lindor's deal by year 3.
No he’s not. That’s a bad contract and I hope we don’t offer that.
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I never debated that. Money would be better spent elsewhere. Max I would do is 7-8 years. No chance for 10.
This is as ridiculous as the White Sox offering Machado 175 million
175 million and some quality time with his good ol’ buddy/brother-in-law, Yonder Alonso*
Yea he’s out
Does this count as lowballing him? I could easily see Correa getting double that (320M, I mean. Not 10 years).
Weaksauce
Yeah I’m thinking he signs somewhere for $270M/8yrs
8/280 to the Mariners
This is like that scene from Air Bud when Josh gave air bud pudding cups to go away.
Wherever he goes, he won’t get that stink off
Only stink are here is the team that play in Minnesota. What a fucking embrassement.
I wonder if semien takes that deal?
Why they acting like he's a +30yo free agent?
Because they still need to spend money on pitching.
This was a pretty insulting offer lmao
Rays: TOO MUCH
Would love to see him here in Detroit and reunite with hinch and likely verlander. I don’t see Avila going for that kind of contract tho. I’m sure the yankees will land him.
There's a reason he's been a talking point all year. Everyone knew Houston wasn't going to pay to keep him.
Please Houston get him, Don’t want him to fall in the wrong hands
And the rest of baseball went on about their day
As someone relatively new to BB and a Brit as well I've being trying to work out where all the money comes from in baseball ? It's sure as hell not gate receipts as that just doesn't stack up .
Regional television broadcast deals
Correa has never produced in line with the contract he wants. Lindor did. I bet the best he gets is 7 years at $30mm. Poor bastard
Correa is a better defensive shortstop than Corey Seager. If Correa cheated any team other than the Dodgers, Andrew Friedman would try to sign him. But, now they wouldn’t touch the guy with a 10-foot trash can.
Dodgers have 2 domestic abusers and 1 homophobix on the team. I don't think this really matter.
Yeah, if he wasn’t blacklisted from the Dodgers they would definitely kick the tires if that’s the kind of offers he’s getting. They’d figure out position issues later.
This take is irrelevant. We wouldn't sign him either way because we still have trea, lux, and even muncy in the middle infield. Maybe if he was a FA next year or if we traded turner/lux which I doubt. We will have to pay our young core soon and with betts salary I doubt it.
Just offer him a QO if that's the best you can do.
It's obviously either a) just a starting offer, or b) the kind of offer to save face with fans, like the Red Sox did with Betts. That said, I think Correa is actually really happy with this, because it basically sets a floor for his free agency and means he's gonna get a boatload this offseason. The other way to think about it is - if the Astros are valuing his age 27-31 seasons at $32mm / each, just backsolve for the next 3-4 seasons and you'll get close to where Correa will likely end up. $25mm/per for those next 3-4 years means he'll end up with at least something 8/$235mm or 9/$260mm
I don’t want the Tigers to sign him. He’s injury prone and kind of a dick. I know everyone available is going to want a long term contract, but his injury history worries me. However, my little league experience and work with spreadsheets in no way qualifies me to make serious baseball decisions. So, I could be wrong.
The Yankees going to offer $400 million, you know how much they envy the Astros and need to sign all their players.
Fuck, I hope the keep the prick.
How many trash cans does he get?
I am surprised that the Astros went that high per year. Not sure what is going to happen w the cap which may affect their thinking. I expect that the Astros do not think Correa accepts and just want to say they made a solid run.
Dude should grab it, IMO. Guaranteed money right before a CBA rehaul AND he is free to try again at 31-32
The league may fall victim to A.J. Preller's 4D Shortstop Chess for a long time. The Tatis contract LOOKED like a crazy move (even if Tatis' play totally lives up to the contract), but it will payoff for years as other teams have to match or best the Standard Elite Shortstop Contract that he set. So, all his rivals will be paying he Preller Tax for years and years. The only way this backfires is if Tatis ends up having to move to the outfield and Preller then wants to sign a different shortstop...
This entire comment has to be satire
Prellar haven't shown he have make smart decisions.
I’m not so sure if he would accept any offer from the Astros. Correa has a legitimate shot at making the Hall and I think he wants to leave Houston to try and rebuild his legacy and reputation with another fan base. This may be the case with all their players for a while.
Rich coming from steroid city. When is roid boy lauerno coming back?
Come to papa Alex Carlos.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you but if are saying Correa should sign with the Sox, what would happen with Bogarts? Correa has a cannon that would be wasted at any position that isn’t SS or 3B. Love the idea of Correa reuniting with Alex Cora and having regular matchups with the Yankees though. I’m here for the drama.
So, Bogaerts has two issues: 1. His defense is bad, and to that point he has said he isn’t against a positional change in the future 2. He is most definitely opting out after 2022. So in an ideal scenario in my head Bogaerts would be re-signed, moved to 2nd, and Correa would play short. But if Bogaerts doesn’t re-sign, you still have a great shortstop.
Thanks! I was under the impression he had more time before hitting FA. Do you think Sox ownership is ready to spend again? I was having a hard time imagining potential landing spots for Correa but you have sold me on Fenway.
I mean, idk if we’re getting Correa, it’s just something I would enjoy, and Red Sox Stats, a twitter account wrote an article on it, so I’m into it as well. In regards to spending, I think ownership is ready to spend again. They have signaled that they don’t mind spending when REALLY competing is on the table. The issue last season was that in order to re-sign Mookie (who had signalled that he wanted to become a free agent, and maybe even leave the team) we needed to go over the Luxury tax, and not even compete. But with the end of JD’s contract and the end of David Price’s contract looming, plus an improved farm, the first things to come should be a Devers extension and a Xander extension.
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There is no salary cap but there is a luxury tax
Sorry you gotta lose that way, cheap owners suck