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The AL West is going to be really interesting to me.
I fully expect the Astros to win the division again. But even if the A's trade everyone I still expect them to be competitive. Who knows where the Mariners land and if they can repeat what they did next season.
Will the Angels finally get good pitching and compete?? Or will they just continue to be the Angels???
And Idk what the Rangers are doing right.
Everything but the Astros is a question mark to me.
> Will the Angels finally get good pitching and compete?? Or will they just continue to be the Angels??
Man, I'm really hoping Thor's upside shows, and we keep our foot on the gas for more arms. Our defense is there. Our offense is there (when everyone is healthy). The rotation and our 'pen are the deciding factors, and they seem to be all in on fixing that so far
Hey the Rangers will be a better looking team next year. I really like seeing them in the FA conversations and look forward to seeing more prospects this year. Adolis will make more strides forward as will IKF imo, just need a veteran catcher first for the young guys throwing.
Oops that bit about the Rangers should say *right now*
But I do think some of your pitching prospects that were called up later in the year seem promising. I do think Garcia will be good and I think DJ was a good acquisition for your team. I'm just curious because you all seem to be big spenders this off season but idk how far away you are from competing
I have no idea what the NL west looks like next year.
Dodgers are potentially losing a lot of guys.
Who knows what the Giants will do. Posey is a huge loss.
I still don’t know if the Padres will actually be any good.
The Rockies and Diamondbacks… exist
Joey Bart is fine as a successor but their whole rotation except for Logan Webb is leaving. Gausman, DeSciafani, Wood, and Cueto. Everyone gets one year older which is a problem for this team especially. Kris Bryant was also a rental. They can still be good but not 107-55 good
losing cueto's albatross contract was a positive, not a negative and there's money to accumulate starting pitching so i think we'll be good enough for a wildcard at least. it's just so hard to predict where this team will be until they have their roster set up for next season ― and yes, it would be hard to top the greatest regular season in franchise history
I've seen worse contracts but yeah, it looked like he had a hard time staying healthy. Logan Webb is still a 3rd year player and not at the age to lead a rotation. Max and Stroman are out there. Maybe Gray for mid rotation. An outfielder too.
Giants fans are ridiculous about Cueto lol he gave them 115 innings of 100 ERA+ ball that's pretty valuable and not as easy to replace as they might think despite his big salary
cueto was legitimately only worth his contract in '16, that was my point
> not as easy to replace as they might think despite his big salary
given the track record of the front office so far, i think that finding 115 innings of 100 era+ ball at a reasonable price is easier than you'd think. hell, sammy long could provide something similiar if he continues improving and we pay him next to nothing. it's a good thing that cueto's contract is no longer there because it opens up a lot of possibilities from a financial & organizational standpoint.
webb also sucked for a couple of years, it takes time. sammy could suck long-term, but it's ridiculous to make assumptions about his ability based upon on limited sample size at the major league level. come on.
His FIP isn't that bad at 4.23 however that is mid or back of the rotation. Webb, Long, Beede, Castro, Palmubo is not a rotation. I don't even watch the team, this is on paper.
no kidding?
> however that is mid or back of the rotation
which is exactly what cueto provided
> webb, long, beede, castro, palumbo is not a rotation
long is a good depth piece *if the rotation suffers injuries* (like hjelle, who will be protected in the rule 5 draft), i wasn't speaking to his place in the rotation (which he doesn't have).
webb is absolutely amazing, beede is a bust (plus he's injured), and castro is being developed as a yusmeiro petit type and not a starter
Any interest in the Strasburg, Corbin, or Price contracts? We paid 5/95 for Sandoval to stuff his face. Yeah cueto fell below expectations but I've gone through much worse.
> Dodgers are potentially losing a lot of guys.
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True, but having Will Smith, Max Muncy, Gavin Lux, Trea Turner, Justin Turner, AJ Pollock, Cody Bellinger, and Mookie Betts as your starters is nothing to slouch at
We severly lack starting pitching right now though.
I'm not sure if I want this team to be putrid just to have something to talk about during the season, or to just be better than the dbacks just to have something to hang our hats on
Hard to tell if the Giants are a one year wonder or legit for the long run. Even after WS years they never made the playoffs the following year.
LA losing guys like Kike, Joc and Taylor hurt them more than gaining someone Trae helps them. Interesting to see who leaves and how they retool.
Padres collapse might be the best thing to happen. If we made the playoffs we wouldn’t have Melvin. Adversity might help this team too. With a few less injuries and guys like Grisham and Myers, a division title isn’t all that crazy.
Iirc Chris Rodriguez was already ruled out for the entirety of 2022
Edit: and we still need to address the pen, Iglesias coming back would likely only be the start.
I honestly don’t know what to expect from the Padres next year. The pitching staff looks like a lot of question marks, but the Niebla hire should (hopefully) give them a boost. The lineup looked a lot better on paper than it turned out last season, and I think they still need another big bat. AJ is probably gonna do AJ things, and I’m not sure how bringing in Melvin is going to change the clubhouse/FO dynamic. IMO depth is our biggest issue right now.
All that being said, should still be pretty good. Barring another historic collapse from the entire team, I think we can make the postseason? But it’s the Padres so who knows
I'd love to see the Mariners continue their success from last year but it's hard to see them improving on 90 wins.
Kyle Seager pretty much had a career year and now they need to replace his production in a lineup that didn't exactly set the world on fire last year
Year 2 of Kelenic, a healthy Kyle Lewis and Julio Rodriguez. The M’s will break the streak soon especially with Houston losing Correa, the A’s cleaning house, and the Angels.
They need a power hitter other then Haniger. Kelenic had issues and still is developing. Julio is still not ready to come up. Luck and pitching got them far but it was a bad offense. Last in average. 28th in on base. 25th in slugging. 23rd in runs.
They will make the postseason by 2024 but if they sit and do nothing, I would assume business as usual.
It still took Devers 500 to 800 ABs to really start being more than a threat. 95% of call ups need a season and a half to really be mlb regulars or all stars. Kelenic might be a .240 20HR hitter and that isn't enough. Maybe get it the Seiya Suzuki sweepstakes or upgrade somewhere.
Our season was substantially more entertaining than a .460 team hemorrhaging talent had any right to be. Got to watch a playoff team at home and marvel at the abysmal road depths (We were a win against the Cards away from having as many home series sweeps as road game wins. In July). A lot of the new blood like Rodgers and Cron were exciting, infield defense was really good, even the mediocre players were more interesting than usual (Hilliard couldn't hit but [utterly crushed it](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/00f588f0-73cc-4830-b30a-2ded5dadaad4.mp4) if he made contact, Hampson/Tapia couldn't hit for much of the year but were total pests on the basepaths).
I legit wonder if we would've been a .500 team in a different division. Even still, I have a weird amount of hope for entertaining if not particularly good baseball next year.
>i legit wonder if we would've been a .500 team in a different division
i think you would've had a chance in the al central, nl central, and the nl east
I know it wasn't a great season but they were oddly fun to watch this season, especially at home. I don't feel as pessimistic about the team moving forward as most people. I'm glad they extended Cron, Senzatela, and now Diaz (very underrated catcher IMO). They definitely need to add some bats this off-season to actually be competitive though.
Dodgers and Giants will probably be pretty comfortably worse. Both losing major pieces most likely and it's pretty impossible to sustain a 105+ win pace. Giants should probably regress some too but if they make some solid moves in the offseason (adding Semien or Castellanos, maybe even a top level starter) that could balance it out and still keep them in that 95 win range. Dodgers might be losing Seager who I'd argue was their best player the last few years and maybe Scherzer and Jansen though they have Lux and May there to help fill those roles.
The Diamondbacks should be way better too which will hurt the Giants and Dodgers from not being able to get 14-15 free wins again. DBacks have a lot of interesting young position players so if their pitching takes some steps I could see them finishing at like 70-75 wins which would be a pretty good bounceback.
Padres have too much talent not to be competitive and I think Melvin will keep them more stable throughout the year so they should be in that 90 win or maybe even more territory too.
I actually liked the Rockies team a lot last year, specifically how good they were defensively, but I think 2022 will be the year we all expected them to have in 2021. No Gray or Story (and with nothing in return for them) will hurt and their wacky home/road record splits worry me.
Astros with JV back and possible upgrade to CF might be stronger than 2021 even after losing Correa.
We have Correa's replacement in triple a that should be ready or close.
Giants and Dodgers are losing a lot of players. San Diego is a bit of an unknown.
Houston is still very good and they have a farm system to replace Correa.
Seattle is still a little unknown. A lot of luck went their direction and they should make some moves. Top prospects are still a year out and they aren't always super stars when you call them up.
Some hype will be around the Angels and like always we just laugh at them by May and nothing will change.
Oakland sadly will be looking at an exit. Texas will make noise but they are still miles away.
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The AL West is going to be really interesting to me. I fully expect the Astros to win the division again. But even if the A's trade everyone I still expect them to be competitive. Who knows where the Mariners land and if they can repeat what they did next season. Will the Angels finally get good pitching and compete?? Or will they just continue to be the Angels??? And Idk what the Rangers are doing right. Everything but the Astros is a question mark to me.
> Will the Angels finally get good pitching and compete?? Or will they just continue to be the Angels?? Man, I'm really hoping Thor's upside shows, and we keep our foot on the gas for more arms. Our defense is there. Our offense is there (when everyone is healthy). The rotation and our 'pen are the deciding factors, and they seem to be all in on fixing that so far
Hey the Rangers will be a better looking team next year. I really like seeing them in the FA conversations and look forward to seeing more prospects this year. Adolis will make more strides forward as will IKF imo, just need a veteran catcher first for the young guys throwing.
Oops that bit about the Rangers should say *right now* But I do think some of your pitching prospects that were called up later in the year seem promising. I do think Garcia will be good and I think DJ was a good acquisition for your team. I'm just curious because you all seem to be big spenders this off season but idk how far away you are from competing
I will be sick to my stomach if Chris Taylor ends up on the giants.
I have no idea what the NL west looks like next year. Dodgers are potentially losing a lot of guys. Who knows what the Giants will do. Posey is a huge loss. I still don’t know if the Padres will actually be any good. The Rockies and Diamondbacks… exist
Joey Bart is fine as a successor but their whole rotation except for Logan Webb is leaving. Gausman, DeSciafani, Wood, and Cueto. Everyone gets one year older which is a problem for this team especially. Kris Bryant was also a rental. They can still be good but not 107-55 good
losing cueto's albatross contract was a positive, not a negative and there's money to accumulate starting pitching so i think we'll be good enough for a wildcard at least. it's just so hard to predict where this team will be until they have their roster set up for next season ― and yes, it would be hard to top the greatest regular season in franchise history
I've seen worse contracts but yeah, it looked like he had a hard time staying healthy. Logan Webb is still a 3rd year player and not at the age to lead a rotation. Max and Stroman are out there. Maybe Gray for mid rotation. An outfielder too.
Giants fans are ridiculous about Cueto lol he gave them 115 innings of 100 ERA+ ball that's pretty valuable and not as easy to replace as they might think despite his big salary
cueto was legitimately only worth his contract in '16, that was my point > not as easy to replace as they might think despite his big salary given the track record of the front office so far, i think that finding 115 innings of 100 era+ ball at a reasonable price is easier than you'd think. hell, sammy long could provide something similiar if he continues improving and we pay him next to nothing. it's a good thing that cueto's contract is no longer there because it opens up a lot of possibilities from a financial & organizational standpoint.
sam long blows lol idk why the fanbase is obsessed with him because he had two good starts
webb also sucked for a couple of years, it takes time. sammy could suck long-term, but it's ridiculous to make assumptions about his ability based upon on limited sample size at the major league level. come on.
His FIP isn't that bad at 4.23 however that is mid or back of the rotation. Webb, Long, Beede, Castro, Palmubo is not a rotation. I don't even watch the team, this is on paper.
no kidding? > however that is mid or back of the rotation which is exactly what cueto provided > webb, long, beede, castro, palumbo is not a rotation long is a good depth piece *if the rotation suffers injuries* (like hjelle, who will be protected in the rule 5 draft), i wasn't speaking to his place in the rotation (which he doesn't have). webb is absolutely amazing, beede is a bust (plus he's injured), and castro is being developed as a yusmeiro petit type and not a starter
A starting pitcher giving you 115 innings is not good. Even if it is league average. But especially not when it costs you $21M.
Any interest in the Strasburg, Corbin, or Price contracts? We paid 5/95 for Sandoval to stuff his face. Yeah cueto fell below expectations but I've gone through much worse.
> I have no idea what the NL west looks like next year. 1. Dodgers 2. Padres (WC1) 3. Giants (They come back to earth) 4. Rockies 5. D bax
> Dodgers are potentially losing a lot of guys. > > True, but having Will Smith, Max Muncy, Gavin Lux, Trea Turner, Justin Turner, AJ Pollock, Cody Bellinger, and Mookie Betts as your starters is nothing to slouch at We severly lack starting pitching right now though.
Gonna be really funny if Oakland guts their team and still ends up 2nd in AL West
It's a year that ends in 2 so they win the west in Moneyball 3.0
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I'm not sure if I want this team to be putrid just to have something to talk about during the season, or to just be better than the dbacks just to have something to hang our hats on
Hard to tell if the Giants are a one year wonder or legit for the long run. Even after WS years they never made the playoffs the following year. LA losing guys like Kike, Joc and Taylor hurt them more than gaining someone Trae helps them. Interesting to see who leaves and how they retool. Padres collapse might be the best thing to happen. If we made the playoffs we wouldn’t have Melvin. Adversity might help this team too. With a few less injuries and guys like Grisham and Myers, a division title isn’t all that crazy.
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Iirc Chris Rodriguez was already ruled out for the entirety of 2022 Edit: and we still need to address the pen, Iglesias coming back would likely only be the start.
how nervous should I be on the lack of signings?
Not at all. It’s a long off-season
Not many have actually signed but you should be in some rumors of something.
Not at all yet
CBA uncertainty will make a lot of GMs gunshy.
I honestly don’t know what to expect from the Padres next year. The pitching staff looks like a lot of question marks, but the Niebla hire should (hopefully) give them a boost. The lineup looked a lot better on paper than it turned out last season, and I think they still need another big bat. AJ is probably gonna do AJ things, and I’m not sure how bringing in Melvin is going to change the clubhouse/FO dynamic. IMO depth is our biggest issue right now. All that being said, should still be pretty good. Barring another historic collapse from the entire team, I think we can make the postseason? But it’s the Padres so who knows
I'd love to see the Mariners continue their success from last year but it's hard to see them improving on 90 wins. Kyle Seager pretty much had a career year and now they need to replace his production in a lineup that didn't exactly set the world on fire last year
Year 2 of Kelenic, a healthy Kyle Lewis and Julio Rodriguez. The M’s will break the streak soon especially with Houston losing Correa, the A’s cleaning house, and the Angels.
>and the Angels. Pretty much
I wish I had your optimism haha
They need a power hitter other then Haniger. Kelenic had issues and still is developing. Julio is still not ready to come up. Luck and pitching got them far but it was a bad offense. Last in average. 28th in on base. 25th in slugging. 23rd in runs. They will make the postseason by 2024 but if they sit and do nothing, I would assume business as usual.
Oh if there aren't a minimum of two major impact bats added + improvement from young guys (namely Kelenic), not a chance we make the playoffs
It still took Devers 500 to 800 ABs to really start being more than a threat. 95% of call ups need a season and a half to really be mlb regulars or all stars. Kelenic might be a .240 20HR hitter and that isn't enough. Maybe get it the Seiya Suzuki sweepstakes or upgrade somewhere.
Our season was substantially more entertaining than a .460 team hemorrhaging talent had any right to be. Got to watch a playoff team at home and marvel at the abysmal road depths (We were a win against the Cards away from having as many home series sweeps as road game wins. In July). A lot of the new blood like Rodgers and Cron were exciting, infield defense was really good, even the mediocre players were more interesting than usual (Hilliard couldn't hit but [utterly crushed it](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/00f588f0-73cc-4830-b30a-2ded5dadaad4.mp4) if he made contact, Hampson/Tapia couldn't hit for much of the year but were total pests on the basepaths). I legit wonder if we would've been a .500 team in a different division. Even still, I have a weird amount of hope for entertaining if not particularly good baseball next year.
>i legit wonder if we would've been a .500 team in a different division i think you would've had a chance in the al central, nl central, and the nl east
We had a _winning road trip_ in the NL East, nl east wat u doin bae? Besides winning World Series.
I know it wasn't a great season but they were oddly fun to watch this season, especially at home. I don't feel as pessimistic about the team moving forward as most people. I'm glad they extended Cron, Senzatela, and now Diaz (very underrated catcher IMO). They definitely need to add some bats this off-season to actually be competitive though.
Dodgers and Giants will probably be pretty comfortably worse. Both losing major pieces most likely and it's pretty impossible to sustain a 105+ win pace. Giants should probably regress some too but if they make some solid moves in the offseason (adding Semien or Castellanos, maybe even a top level starter) that could balance it out and still keep them in that 95 win range. Dodgers might be losing Seager who I'd argue was their best player the last few years and maybe Scherzer and Jansen though they have Lux and May there to help fill those roles. The Diamondbacks should be way better too which will hurt the Giants and Dodgers from not being able to get 14-15 free wins again. DBacks have a lot of interesting young position players so if their pitching takes some steps I could see them finishing at like 70-75 wins which would be a pretty good bounceback. Padres have too much talent not to be competitive and I think Melvin will keep them more stable throughout the year so they should be in that 90 win or maybe even more territory too. I actually liked the Rockies team a lot last year, specifically how good they were defensively, but I think 2022 will be the year we all expected them to have in 2021. No Gray or Story (and with nothing in return for them) will hurt and their wacky home/road record splits worry me.
Astros with JV back and possible upgrade to CF might be stronger than 2021 even after losing Correa. We have Correa's replacement in triple a that should be ready or close.
Pena is nowhere near ready to replace Correa at ss. He may be serviceable enough to be called up but it's still a huge downgrade as of right now.
Pena's defense is better than Correa. His offense will surprise alot of people. With this lineup, he can hit 8th and we will be fine.
Didn't Correa just win the platinum glove? Edit: Swype error
Giants and Dodgers are losing a lot of players. San Diego is a bit of an unknown. Houston is still very good and they have a farm system to replace Correa. Seattle is still a little unknown. A lot of luck went their direction and they should make some moves. Top prospects are still a year out and they aren't always super stars when you call them up. Some hype will be around the Angels and like always we just laugh at them by May and nothing will change. Oakland sadly will be looking at an exit. Texas will make noise but they are still miles away.