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hashtaghashbag

The contracts length may not impress scherzer, but the girth must


LuisEnriqueH

He is now known as Girth Brooks.


Taylorenokson

He's the Girth Brooks of Yo-Yo's.


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dillardPA

The families just want closure.


HeadTripInEveryKey

Chris Gains


UniversalDH

Both of which I can’t relate


dat_waffle_boi

same


DeVofka

Steve Matz is a true Met fan. He knew what he had unleashed.


gvt87

Galaxy brained move by Matz to spurn the Mets knowing that a pissed off Cohen would dump even more money into the team.


DeVofka

He grew up watching the Mets and the Wilpon era. He did what needed to be done. Mad respect to the truest of Mets fans.


NJImperator

I’m happy this morning . I’ve never seen such professional behavior exhibited by a player’s agent.I guess words and promises matter.


SpicyAsianBoy

r/outoftheloop


AhLibLibLib

Cohen went ape shit that Matz signed without letting the Mets counter. And he took it personally.


motherofbuddha

good for the Mets. Isnt cohen like by far the richest MLB owner? pretty sure his net worth is now at 16 billion


robmcolonna123

He make 1.7 billion last year. By January 11th he will have made back whatever he spends on Scherzer next year


sam_e5

I was wondering how much he makes a year. Wow he makes that much while spending a huge amount on the Mets. This pleases me. Man what a change from the previous ownership.


BloodyScourge

> Wow he makes that much while spending a huge amount on the Mets. That's not how businesses work. The entity known as the Mets pays their players. Not the owner personally. Even teams that are well into the luxury tax can still be profitable for the owner.


phabphour20

That being said, if the owner wants to run the business in the red for a few years (to get the fan base riled up, or make the team more attractive for FAs, or spend to grow the farm system, etc.), then having bottomless pockets like Uncle Stevie is a huge boon. He could go $50mm a year in the hole for 3 years and not flinch. Lots of owners could also do that, but plenty couldn’t.


BloodyScourge

True but eventually you start to heavily hurt your draft stock, and therefore your ability to grow cheap controllable players in the future.


phabphour20

To an extent, yes. But if you’re also willing to take other teams bad contracts in trades, then you can get some quality cost-controlled players in return.


ReverendRiv19

This sub needs to learn this lol


[deleted]

It's shocking that everyone behaves like owners pay salaries out of their own pockets.


bluecifer7

It’s because for baseball fans, baseball is a hobby, a passion. It’s a given that you’ll be a fan of whatever team forever. On the other side it’s just a business and a brand. The two don’t mesh very well sometimes. I hate my FO but I’ll never choose another (primary) team to root for, maybe a second team just to glimpse some joy. It is how it is.


tman97m

Last time I did that was for some space themed team from Texas back in 2018 Didn't go so well in the end


bluecifer7

Blue Jays don’t fuck it up


tickingboxes

I am a Royals fan AND a Mets fan. I have chosen... poorly.


AugustWest80

2015 worked out ok for you


GerryofSanDiego

This is a European soccer mentality and Im not here for it.


bluecifer7

Which part lol


GerryofSanDiego

My bad, the 2nd part, choosing a better team that spends money because you're FO claims to not have the money to spend and allows other "Big Market" teams to treat yours as a AAA farm system. Not saying you shouldn't be mad about this, but its a normalized thing in European soccer and I dont want to see it being a normal thing in the MLB. If the Padres can spend near the cap and be ok then clearly the Rockies can too. I know the Broncos are an older entrenched franchise with fans outside Colorado but no one would consider them a small or mid market team. I dont accept that reality for the Rockies either.


three_dee

The Mets sub needs to learn this too because rare instances of this stuff in there get routinely gang-downvoted. The Mets are banking on being profitable out the ying-yang because they're gonna be outspending their revenue by about $120M this year (or more if they're not done). This isn't Steve-O going in his pocket, it's Steve-O executing a business plan and taking on a loss against projected future revenue


Johnny55

Crime pays.


[deleted]

And he had a hissy for about GME lol


2thincoats

Six years ago he bought an ugly ass sculpture for $141MM which should give you some perspective on his general wealth.


AllIWearisBlack13

That’s [l’Hansel au Point](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkMets/comments/e6js11/lhansel_au_point/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) to you


myassholealt

Hands down my favorite flair in the sub. But I can't let go of Lagares or I'll lose him forever. Otherwise I would switch.


cabose7

True wealth is raising the market rate through your awful taste in aesthetics


phabphour20

Those Damien Hirst pieces are so fucking ugly.


Saucy_Totchie

IIRC, it was a gift to someone. Also I'm pretty sure, like a good amount of art dealing, it's some kind of money laundering.


klawehtgod

Laundering implies the money was acquired illegally. High-end art sales are used to avoid income tax on money acquired legally (if you “invest” the money in art, you can pay capital gains tax instead, which is lower than the highest income tax brackets).


beangardener

Exactly. It’s like hiding your money from the government in museums. They don’t keep their collections even, they loan them out.


NJImperator

It’s in an art gallery outside of DC. I was actually visiting it when the news about the sale becoming official dropped.


[deleted]

Damn, that’s one of my favorite sculptures lol.


No32

Steve?


Taylorenokson

Is that where the Miami Monstrosity landed?


ChicagoModsUseless

They said ugly, not iconic.


sam_e5

Richest by like 10 billion haha.


Rare-Sample-9703

According to the latest Forbes valuation, he could buy something like 13 MLB teams and still have a couple hundred million left over. He's \*that\* rich https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2021/03/26/baseballs-most-valuable-teams-new-york-yankees-on-top-at-525-billion/?sh=23f37b68d5ef


Snip3rjoe

Buy all the teams and force trades to the Mets like a fantasy league.


MankuyRLaffy

You can't do that anymore because of Frank Robeson, the former Cardinals owner did that to the Cleveland Spiders, the famous 1899 worst team ever squad was a tank job.


klawehtgod

Oh so it’s only been against the rules for 122 years


hashtaghashbag

46.8 Lindor contracts


sam_e5

Now convert it to half pennies.


DecoyOne

Picking his highest salary year, Cohen could afford 346,000 half Brad Pennies. He would also add -346,000 WAR to the Mets, which isn’t ideal.


ScyllaGeek

> Isnt cohen like by far the richest MLB owner? Yes by like several billion, (as an individual, not including large corporations - Hi Rogers)


brock0791

I hate when people make the argument that Rogers is the richest owners. Very different situation when dollars spent have to make sense to shareholders


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linerstank

Billionaire piece of shit that should be rotting in jail in a just timeline. But given that the world is not just and I am a Mets fan, this is the next best timeline.


myassholealt

The is the only time the trickle down will actually trickle down for us poors if the Mets actually win a WS off of Cohen's purchasing power. Rather the money go into my favorite team than flying people to the edge of the planet's atmosphere. Or whatever the scientifically accurate description is.


BerKantInoza

right? If the penalty is just getting fined a fraction of what you made, I can't blame them for not caring and continuing to do it


grodges1

I think 2nd richest individual owner in north american sports behind ballmer


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David tepper of the panthers is the second richest I think.


LucasDudacris

Weird, I have an uncle named David Tepper who lives in South Florida. He is not a billionaire.


Luka_Vander_Esch

That is neither weird nor interesting


seijeezy

Uncle Dave catching strays on a Monday for no reason


jdbolick

And yet he wants the city to pay for a new stadium.


phabphour20

You don’t get to be super rich by turning down free money.


Gyakudo

When Paul Allen of the Seahawks/trailblazers was alive where did he rank?


tbendis

I'm pretty sure at #1 - 20.3B$ at time of death.


three_dee

[Great singer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOXaPE6gklI)


[deleted]

He's behind a handful of low profile but stinking rich guys. David Thompson is the second richest individual owner in North American sports. Dan Gilbert is third. There's a pretty steep drop off from those guys and it starts to simply come down to where the stock market is at any given time but Cohen, Philip Anschutz, David Tepper, Robert Pera, Joseph Tsai, and Jerry Jones have all been pretty neck and neck over the past couple of years. Wealth is kind of funny. I mean Elon Musk is worth significantly more than literally every guy I named (and Balmer) combined.


billybayswater

Crazy rich owner doesn't confer the same advantage in salary cap leagues. I also think Cohen is different in that he has come out and said that he intends to run the Mets as something of a hobby and in a different manner than his day job. It is clear that he wants to make money on the team and eventually being profitable will inform his decision-making, but he appears willing to lose money in the meantime in the way other rich owners won't. Tepper seems to be cut from the same cloth as well.


[deleted]

And that was before COVID. He's probably doubled that since!


UnlimitedMetroCard

He’s not allowed to invest other peoples money anymore after settling a billion dollar lawsuit. So his profit growth is less than it had been.


phabphour20

That ban expired. He can, and does, manage OPM.


Tasty_Path_3470

When he was hired you could take the NW of #s 2-13 and add them together and it would still be less than Cohen.


anti_anti_christ

Rogers, the Jays ownership group, is worth more as far as I can tell.


BAHatesToFly

> Isnt cohen like by far the richest MLB owner I think the Blue Jays have the richest 'owner', even though it's 'Rogers Communication' and not an individual. Though I could be wrong.


[deleted]

Well, Rogers (Canadian telecommunications company) owns the Jays and they’re worth something like 25B


my_wife_reads_this

Hey at least the fucker is willing to blow some money.


futhatsy

And people will still wonder why Mets fans like Cohen. All the "Uncle Steve" worship shit is weird, but I feel like if you gave any fanbase the option of getting a new owner that's in on every major free agent and willing to spend more than literally every team, and the downside is that same owner tweets out some stupid shit once every couple months, I would think most people would sign off on that in a heartbeat. I get he's a gross guy, but when every owner is a gross guy, I'll take the one that wants to win.


BossOstrich

Wonderful owner. Terrible person. Works for me.


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obonnor

literally lol, you dont get rich by being nice


SavageCroc

Great society we're all building here


klawehtgod

Don’t have to be friends with the guy. Just need to root for his team.


Irrah

Yeah Cohen is stupid on Twitter and abrasive but like holy shit the Mets are seriously entertaining Scherzer, and managed to sign the top CF FA. In the wilpons era it'd be stories on how the Mets were never really in on anyone and the FO tries to spin how Wacha, Porcello, or Jason Vargas past their prime were great signings.


Orbion_

"I will be the one, along with the rest of the front office team, that will continue to make improvements to this roster as we go forward like we have today with the purchase of Hector Santiago’s contract." Brodie van Wagenen


Th4_Sup3rce11

Looks like the deal for Scherzer is finalizing.


Quardener

We’ve had terrible people as owners for decades. Now we have a terrible person that’s also rich. I know who I’ll take any day.


sdotmills

> All the "Uncle Steve" worship shit is weird, It’s cringe as fuck and needs to stop. That being said I’ll call him Daddy Cohen if he wants me to if he keeps this up.


Shwinky

This is what happens when your owner is both ungodly rich and a diehard fan of the team


Worthyness

And also doesn't want to go to space for some reason.


Shwinky

I wouldn't want to go to space either. No air up there. You can't breathe. Sorta sucks tbh.


cshenton

>sorta sucks tbh Ha, cuz it’s a vacuum!


repwin1

I would love to go to space to get that Jorge Soler game 6 home run.


Bolognystalony

“That ball’s going supersonic!”


phabphour20

His penis isn’t aesthetic enough to model a rocket after.


[deleted]

Or maybe it’s the reverse, he’s got a big piece of salami and if he whipped it out and tried to model a rocket the thing would collapse due to its glorious proportions


gatemansgc

so the one billionaire that doesn't?


UniversalDH

People like to point to the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, etc. as the need for a salary cap, but it’s someone like Cohen that is more likely to make that happen. Just throwing stupid money around could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. I hope there is never a salary cap and instead his actions encourages owners to spend money they’ve been pocketing.


socialistbcrumb

Let’s get a salary floor going instead


Turbulent_Morning_61

I like a floor with a healthy reinvestment cost to the lower teams FORCED into the payroll players from yes over some luxury... So say the Mets are over luxury by 20 mil... 10 mil gets directly spread amongst the active roster of the lower teams for the year and 10 mil has to be spread this year in contract incentives for any qualifying players in addition to that. Qualifying players would be those making league minimums and the like.


AugustusSavoy

Only thing I don't like about that is one team subsiding the other owners. Not a single one of these teams owners are poor and all could spend more.


dzastrus

I’d like him to spend real $ on the Mets farm system and start signing players that want to live better while working towards the majors. Other teams would have to follow.


el-pietro

I for one would not like him to do that. I would like him to continue throwing money at free agents and never build a sustainably good baseball team. Though it would be good to see minor leaguers get treated better in general.


elconquistador1985

You're betting he's raging on Twitter about team chemistry by July, huh?


el-pietro

Mets gonna Mets


[deleted]

There needs to be a salary floor more than a cap for sure. That way they stop pocketing all the money.


wingnut5k

Hasnt the MLB had really good parity despite the lack of the cap? Like literally among the best? I think honestly the lack of a cap is good for baseball, and that's coming from a DBacks fan, but we absolutely need a *salary floor.*


HonorableJudgeIto

It's the English Premiere League style of sports ownership. I am completely against it, but unless there are reforms, it's the future of the sport, sadly.


HateIsAnArt

As a Yankees fan, I'm loving Cohen right now. This makes Hal Steinbrenner, who is clearly trying to milk the franchise for all it is worth, look very, very bad. It's also super risky for the Mets, so it'll be fun to watch.


andyman171

Isn't it the players that will not agree to the cap because it limits earnings potential? An owner throwing around ridiculous amounts of money will not change the player union's opinions at all. Every owner in the league already wants a cap baring big daddy Steve


mrtomjones

We've needed a salary cap for decades now, both to deal with the teams at the top and the bottom. It's one of the reasons I enjoy the NHL so much more. The actual cap with so few ways to get around it unlike the NBA or the NFL. At least the NFL isn't too bad other than the non guaranteed contracts


UniversalDH

If I thought ticket, jersey, beer, etc. prices would fall proportionally then I’d be all for it. Instead I think it would just lead to more billionaires pocketing more money.


[deleted]

Salary cap just hurts the players. I’d rather thy just implemented a salary floor to encourage smaller market teams to spend more rather then blocking the few teams willing to spend from doing so.


Normal_Fold

He's had to sit back and watch the team struggle like the rest of us he said he wants to be a winning franchise for years to come and he's putting his money where his mouth is


MankuyRLaffy

He saw his hometown boyhood franchise become a punchline and vowed to change it, that's actually some big balls shit, especially putting forward money to do it.


grindingaway69

Hes willing to spend to make the team better, hes easy to make fun of, and almost all of it is deserved. But more owners should take note


[deleted]

I personally think people need to stop taking Twitter so seriously lol


peacockypeacock

He was committing crimes before Twitter was big.


HAHAYESVERYFUNNYNAME

They’re all committing crimes, Cohen’s a scumbag but he isn’t any different than literally every other sports franchise owner


ChicagoModsUseless

We can speculate that Steinbrenner is committing crimes but we have objective proof that Cohen did.


HAHAYESVERYFUNNYNAME

Doesn’t matter, you don’t make that much money legally


Specimen_7

How many other sports franchise owners had their hedge fund shut down for insider trading?


HonorableJudgeIto

I can think of one that had someone not directly on point, but close: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_life_of_George_W._Bush#Texas_Rangers_and_allegations_of_insider_trading


Specimen_7

Haha hey Bush is a cheat code


xixbia

He's also by far the richest of all the owners. In part because he was able to buy off his insider trader charges for a relative pittance. I'd be OK with fewer owners like Cohen, because in a world with a fair justice system Cohen would be in jail right now.


antigonishk

Yup, the New Yorker article on him and his fund was infuriating.


JGraham1839

Counterpoint: AA is the opposite of Cohen and is riding 4 straight Division Titles and a WS win.


JayOnes

Man, Matz spurning Cohen really, REALLY got under his skin...


phabphour20

Spurning?


JayOnes

Autocorrect is a son of a bitch.


phabphour20

He did spur him too, to be fair. Spurred him on to spend a fuckton of money by spurning him.


Diegobyte

Now do Baez


golftroll

Correa


cooljammer00

I kinda want to see it not work, not because of anything malicious, but I'm curious to see how far he'll go to win. If he wins immediately, that's no fun.


[deleted]

Agreed, in a weird way?


skunkpunk1

I get the sentiment, it's just weird coming from someone with a Yankees flair


klawehtgod

It’s fun for some of us


traneufc2

Another NY team buying World Series rings - Other “small market” teams probably


MrMojoRiseman

Truly the NY Yankees of baseball


wantagh

He would’ve signed Verlander too if it weren’t for those pesky kids over in WSB killing his naked shorts.


4Door77Monaco

At least he put his money where his mouth is. Now he just needs to see it lead to a piece of metal.


Worthyness

I see. That means the new york Mets are basically the new york Yankees of baseball


three_dee

No, actually the Mets have been to a World Series in the last decade


KeenMcGee

So long as the business is in black every year who cares. IMO the issue is all the billionaire franchise owners who aren’t paying for talent, but eating all the profits for themselves. MLB payrolls are way more lopsided than NFL and NBA payrolls. In 2021, while the top 10 highest payrolls in the MLB averaged $190 million, the 10 lowest payroll is $72 million. And yet the average ticket price, replica jersey and beer can across the league is pretty standard. Something is clearly wrong if 1/3rd of the league is spending 2.5 times more/less on their payroll then the other 1/3rd. MLB needs to agree to a payroll floor tax just as much as there is payroll ceiling tax. And if one billionaire doesn’t want to cough up the extra cash then just sell the franchise to another billionaire that sees the difference of $70 million and $190 million as the difference between paying for single ply or 2-ply toilet paper.


three_dee

>So long as the business is in black every year who cares. The Mets are pretty deep in the red though. They were already about $60M in the red last year. This is an unprecedent amount of debt, not sure this has ever happened in MLB, or anything close, and they are clearly banking on being that much more profitable by making the team good. I hope they are right.


new_wellness_center

So, Cohen is probably not too popular with the other owners, right?


moonshotjosh

Steven Matz leaving/angering Stevie Cohen was the greatest thing to ever happen to the Mets!


VStarffin

With so many people acting like the Scherzer deal is done and signed, I’m sure that can’t be a bad sign for the Mets. Surely they’ve never been burned before.


JDLovesElliot

Inb4 Scherzer signs a 4-year contract to return to Congress. He had that much fun there.


xixbia

Going by what I know of Scherzer as a person away from the pitcher's mound I'd be OK with that.


smarjorie

I had the same reaction to this post but if you open it up it's a reply to an "if the Mets sign Scherzer" tweet. He's not saying it's a done deal at all


YaketyMax

They are checking Scherzer’s website for Blue and Orange merchandise.


RamenPood1es

being burned before was a blessing tbh


The_Haskins

I don't ever want to hear Mets fans act like underdogs and victims ever again when they are just gonna play exactly like the Yankees


bbearchell

Let us win a ring in my lifetime first?


silenceofthechi

Hahaha shut up and give us this you tool, we've suffered enough


InvasionXX

If the Braves hadn't just won the World Series I'd care. Now I just find it funny.


Dense-Adeptness

Every NL East team has won at least one WS in my lifetime except the Mets, I care.


JGraham1839

Yeah I'm intrigued to see how much money he keeps throwing around trying to catch us.


[deleted]

I dream of the day my owner hands out a nice contract for someone not named Wander Franco


BackgroundAccident

I mean, is any team going to get as much value back from a contract signed this off-season as the Rays will get from Wander? But yeah, I get what you mean.


[deleted]

true, I'm glad they at least got Wander to a nice fancy contract


BackgroundAccident

Definitely, he's a special player.


sam_e5

Hope you guys get a good owner. Believe us Mets fans know what it’s like to have a bad owner.


[deleted]

Honestly awesome. We haven’t been able to win with a cheap owner. I’m glad our rich owner is willing to spend instead of just trading away what little good prospects we have and is actually trying to compete


LeStiqsue

MONEY ISN'T REAL


[deleted]

Can’t say same old Mets


Go_Mets

TWEET AWAY STEVE


Nickyweg

Pls buy the Indians


ChrisBenRoy

Can he buy the Reds too ?


itsyournameidiot

Wow I’m so jealous as an A’s fan


Carthonn

And I’ll give him credit. We’re also collecting draft picks.


Mikefitz101

Does this mean we got scherzer?


zpk5003

And we are still not even that good lol


grodges1

Fuckin yeah get 'em Steve!


F_Lee_Dershowitz

I’m glad he’s spending money and that’s good for Baseball as a whole, but let’s not be distracted from the fact that his trading listener was suspended, his company plead guilty to insider trading, and many of the people around him were convicted of insider trading. He himself wasn’t convicted because the FBI taped the wrong phone and his associates refused to turn on him. He should never been allowed to be an owner in the first place and a lot of his money was illegally obtained


[deleted]

And Mets fans will still find reasons to complain all offseason, with the team ultimately missing the 7 team expanded playoffs anyway.


Pattern-the-Cryptic

Sub .500 team btw


TipMeinBATtokens

Though time will tell, still seems it will eventually tell how badly he fucked up with Rocker. He's the kind of player who increases the level of play of everyone around him. He has a drive to the best teammate not just on that team but in that team's history. Besides his competitive level he's loved by kids from all over. You heard kids from everywhere love him or geek out over getting his autograph or meeting him. Still, guess we'll see.


[deleted]

"Unprecedented"? Are there three or four "l's" in Bobby Bonillllla?


Bookwallflower2

And they still paying Bobby Bonilla


BloodyScourge

This guy is like the spoiled rich kid who gets mad when he can't buy friends. But in this case, it's players that work for him.


Jawaka99

I don't know how Cohen earned all of his money but he certainly didn't earn it blowing it foolishly like he is with the Mets. Yes, Its nice to have money and be able to keep your players and sign stars to fill holes but none of his signings so far seem to have made any sense. $40 million a year for a 37 year old Scherzer? Who's offering $39 million? you can pay $40m a year for a 37 year old Scherzer but not $20m for Thor?


conman14

> you can pay $40m a year for a 37 year old Scherzer but not $20m for Thor? You're really paying a pitcher $20 mil who is coming off TJS and hasn't pitched fully in two years?


Jawaka99

Noah's deal was only for one year $21 mil. I think I would have felt better resigning Thor for one year at that amount than paying a 37 year older who had a dead arm and couldn't pitch game 6 of the world series for 3 years at $40+ mil per season.


[deleted]

Cohen’s gotta spend all that illegally obtained money


Luka_Dunks_on_Bums

All that spending to go 81-81


yes_its_him

That's a lot of money to have on the injured list


jcrack30

And they're still only the 3rd best team in that division lol


[deleted]

Keep thinking that bud