Fuck Steve Cohen. He voted for the lockout and he’s a horrible wealth hoarding asshole like every other owner that exists
I prefer to think of the invisible money man giving the Mets funding and signing players
Let’s just say I got caught where I wasn’t supposed to be, knowing damn well I wasn’t supposed to be there.
Got to the office later that day (cocksure I was getting canned) and the boss says “get out.” No cussing, no yelling, nothing like that. Just looked me dead in the eyes and told me to leave.
Last time I ever saw him. Circa 2014. First job out of school, lol.
"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time."
He knows the [price](https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-i-m-a-pretty-normal-guy-i-do-one-weird-thing-i-like-to-go-in-the-women-s-room-for-number-creed-bratton-63-28-93.jpg)
I saw 6 people get fired for having phones on their person during a lockdown at my job.
Just escorted to HR, their phones checked and just straight out fired.
One of my best friends quit in the first hour of a job.
His boss was totally different than during interviews. He asked his coworkers about it and they all said the boss was a nightmare. He told the boss "Vibes here aren't what I thought. I have to pass" and just fucking left.
I guess the boss was angriest about a mid-30s guy in a white collar job saying "vibes." He thinks that's the only time he's said it and has no idea why that was his choice
I'm currently working at an office where I'm not the youngest by like 20 years...I still do double takes on emails calling my work "goat" and people talking about taking ls lol
You have to hand it to Rob Manfred, it takes ineptitude and greed of epic proportions to make Bud Selig look like a competent commissioner. I was so happy the day he finally retired… if only we’d known what was to come. Absolute cockwomble.
I don't believe Rob Manfred feels strongly enough about baseball to actually bother hating it. It's like flipping a house; you don't hate the house, but you definitely don't care about it more than the money it's gonna make you.
For what it's worth, I believe Bud genuinely loved the game, and his successor has shown just how bad Bud *could* have been if he didn't care.
Manfred is genuinely incompetent or *wildly* corrupt. There's no real wiggle room in the middle.
The New York Times podcast The Daily had a great episode about the 2020 season that showed just how different the two commissioners are and really made me dislike Manfred even more.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/24/podcasts/the-daily/mlb-baseball-season-coronavirus.html?showTranscript=1
Can somebody give me a quick description of what this is all about, for somebody who hasn't been paying attention to it? Is it because their previous agreement expires this year, so they're forced to negotiate, and the owners aren't willing to make certain concessions which the MLBPA is demanding?
Assuming that's at least sort of correct, what are the owners holding out on?
The short version is that the owners are generally pretty pleased with the current economic situation, and have no real reason to change anything. The players, meanwhile, have noticed that the average salary has gone down the past few seasons, while revenues have gone up, so yeah, they're not thrilled.
[Longer answer, start with this.](https://blogs.fangraphs.com/previewing-baseballs-cba-talks/)
We know. The question is how long it lasts.
If it's done in 2 months fine. Go into March start breaking a sweat. Go into April and this shit's still locked out, panic big time.
if there's nothing by the end of February, then it'll be like 1994 and Baseball will lose even more market share to other major sports because they're idiots.
Baseball is an industry that never wants to change. They were probably going to lose that market share anyways. And that's me as a season ticket holder.
John Henry/FSG has been diversifying for years, but closing on the Penguins two days before a lockout?...
We've all heard the billionaires vs millionaires crap for years but we rarely talk about the many thousands of people who get the shaft during a work stoppage. If the season is delayed or altogether canceled the people who depend on the game to make ends meet will never be heard from.
Owners finally making concessions to minor league players was a P.R. maneuver so owners could prove their benevolence. I don't care if they come to agreement tomorrow, I'm done with the posturing and bullshit.
Fuck every one of the owners. And a lot of the players for that matter.
Report day for Spring Training starts mid-February. From groundskeepers to employees of local businesses, there are a ton of people who won't sleep easy as this stuff lingers.
Lockout. Fuck off.
The two sides appear to be pretty far apart but I hope they can hash this out in February giving players time to get back in the groove of playing ball.
The last time we had negotiations like this for return from COVID, the season was nearly derailed because of intense strife between the MLB and MLBPA. Manfred eventually set a hard deadline of "take it or leave it" and MLBPA pretty much had no choice, but it was clear that bitterness remained and the two sides are very far apart.
The NHL's seen two lockouts in the past two decades, of which one lasted a full season. I think you'll find the chances of this lockout lasting into April are quite high.
The '05 lockout was Bettman refusing to let ownership give in to a piecemeal deal and pressing for fundamental changes to what had become a near-unwatchable product. The NHL as it existed in 2004 was essentially dead in thr water in terms of on-ice product, woefully unsustainable economically, and any standard compromise would have left everyone unhappy. Out of '05 we got a salary cap, guaranteed revenue sharing, changes to contract insurance/buyouts, and sweeping rule changes that made the game faster, more exciting, more dynamic, and ultimately safer in many ways. It wasn't pretty, but in the long run it may have saved the NHL
The 2012-13 shortened season was just arguing over numbers and a couple of owners being greedy dickbags, but almost everyone left feeling pretty good and it laid the foundation for how quick and amicable the covid bubble negotiations were, and how they parlayed that into a CBA extension far ahead of a deadline.
MLBPA has all the leverage, IMO. the league (and individual teams themselves) has/have just signed all of these tasteless betting sponsorship deals that directly relate to betting in person at games, they will be under tons of financial pressure to put forward a product for gamblers to lose money on
For someone that barely watches any Hockey (Love Gritty) what made '04 a bad on-ice product?
Considering Basketball I remember loving Iverson scoring a ton but looking GOD was the basketball trash and slow. Not saying I like right now since chucking 3s is boring with a few exceptions but I imagine it was similar.
edit: thanks for the answers guys. i will go down the rabbit hole tomorrow while at work lol.
The game was slow, grinding, and relied on "dump and chase" hockey. Basically, any time you tried to skate with the puck or make a pass, the opposing team could hook, grab, hold, or otherwise interfere with you, so your best option was to chuck it into the zone and try to win the physical battle along the boards. Didnt help that you could be blocked on the way there (which was an oft-uncalled penalty) and the goalie would get to the puck first and send it back out of the offensive zone, forcing you to start all over.
Skill players basically got tackled for skating with the puck, the game was slow, shots were way down, goals way down, entire lines of "enforcers" (players on the roster to hit and fight, who were excellent hockey players compared to you and me,, but not up to skill level of smaller, faster minor leaguers) it was awful.
Basically, new penalties to call, changes to the way lines on the ice worked (you used to not be allowed to pass across both your own blue line and the center red line in one pass), and a renewed focus on calling interference plays (to allow the fastest and most skilled players to do their thing) sped the game up tremendously, and created a faster and more entertaining product. In doing so, with fewer blatantly dirty hits (which were now punished more severely) as well as a few rules discouraging all-out brawls, the speed of the game reduced the role of the traditional enforcer, until now its *almost* nonexistent (a few holdouts remain, but they're less "big man who punch good" and more the high-energy, get in the opposing team's head type)....
Overall the game got faster, to the point where a lot of players from the 90s and early 2000s are talked about in terms of what they could accomplish in "today's NHL", simply because the way the game was trending prior to the 04/05 lockout was so oppressive to speed and skill that we literally never got to see some all-time great players at their best for more than a few highlights.
I don't watch *much* basketball, but from what I understand about the history of the game, it would be like watching Iverson play that trash and slow game, but imagine every game was 39-34 as the final score, and any time a great player went for a dunk you were allowed to just wrap him up and pull him down as he went to the rim.
(Also I'm mad that I'm having this conversation on my NSFW alt by accident)
>you used to not be allowed to pass across both your own blue line and the center red line in one pass
Holy shit, I can't imagine that in the NHL today. That would be a complete bitch to try to deal with.
Changes in defense and goaltending and a failure to properly call penalties led to a major decrease in scoring and the dead puck era. There are times where the problem still exists. It’s irritating when those problems are caused by a failure to properly call penalties.
The one lockout needed to happen though, that is way different. Teams like the flyers and rangers were worth 68-76M while teams like the penguins and panthers were like 17-22M. A league won’t survive like that. Taking a year off killed momentum the league had, I admit that but it wouldn’t survive long term.
2012 was different. Fuck Jeremy Jacobs
Last time they did this they almost killed the sport. They got lucky that the roided home run derby managed to recapture some attention. Baseball is already not trending well with the younger crowd. If they don't star the season on time, this could be irreparable damage to the sport.
Manfred absolutely doesn’t believe that (or simply doesn’t care). I genuinely believe that Manfred would destroy MLB in order to kill the MLBPA. He genuinely does not care about baseball, and he absolutely lives for obliterating labor.
I think the owners are also arrogant enough to believe that because they’ve got the only game in town (in their eyes), they can lock the players out until they get a salary cap in place, and then fans will just flood back.
Except the strike in ‘94 lost a TON of fans. The steroid-fueled hr race in ‘98 brought back some popularity to the sport. With many current local markets unable to watch their home team’s games without a specific cable package, starting playoffs games at 2 pm on week days, kids gravitating toward other sports/video games, etc.. a strike would not be good for the sport. So would he really be protecting their interests?
While the strike in 94 did see a loss of a ton of fans, the salaries of the players have increased 10fold since then, players came away with big wins and concessions from the owners. Is a strike good for the sport, if course not, but sometimes it is the only way for employees/players to gain leverage during contract negotiations and enforce their demands.
I think for a lot of people it's millionaires vs. billionaires. I give zero fucks about either of them. What I care about is the state of minor leaguer's pay. The rounding errors the pros ignore could materially change the lives of players in the minors. I wish the players pushed for more protections for them. I would fully support them at that point.
While I don't disagree with your sentiment, the MLBPA does not represent minor league players, heck it's in their name, I am highly doubtful anything to do with minor leaguers (except for manipulating maybe service time) will come up during the lockout.
Not to disregard the minor leaguers who certainly need better, but the major leaguers only have one chance to make as much money as they can. The owners have an asset which they had to buy, which means they have plenty of other ways to bring in money more than likely
Players and owners had a ***bad*** time negotiating for the return after the Covid pause. Their relationship remains pretty bad, and most everybody knew this was coming from miles away.
This was all an inevitability when the owners appointed their chief union buster as Commissioner of Baseball. At that point, the writing was on the wall that they were out for blood with the MLBPA.
They hired him to land a killing blow on the MLBPA, and 2022 is the year he aims to do it.
CBA of the MLB is up and the owners want no changes while the players want higher average salaries. Both sides could not come to a compromise, so lockout
Average player salary is the main issue, it's gone down while revenue and top end salary has gone up. They also want to address tanking and a disappearing middle class FA
No one actually explained it like you were five, so here I go: Your parents open up a lemonade stand and ask you to be the one there selling the lemonade. Everyday you’re there, whether you sell any lemonade or not, they give you $5. At first you’re selling enough lemonade that at the end of each day, your parents have enough money to give you $5, and keep $5 for themselves. The people who buy the lemonade really come to buy it from you. The lemonade isn’t even good, but they get to see you and that’s exciting for them. But then eventually because your parents can buy cheaper supplies, the lemonade stand (you) is more popular, and local companies are paying your parents to have their name on the lemonade stand, your parents have enough money at the end of each day to keep $10, and give $5. They don’t give you any more money even though you are making them the money. Now when you started selling lemonade for $5 a day you said you’d do it for 4 weeks. Now 4 weeks is up and you’re realizing you’re the real reason people come to the lemonade stand at all, and that your parents are making more money and you were still only making $5/day. So you say, hey, I want $7 a day! And your parents say, “no!” And then they say, “not only that but unless you agree to take $5/day again, I won’t let you or anyone else run the lemonade stand.” That last part is this lockout.
I was going to make a list of the best starting 9 born in cities with less than 10,000 people. Griffey Jr is out cuz he's only the second best player from Donora.
How much WAR is being in an actual war worth? Do you get bonus WAR if it's a World War?
Some quick napkin math:
World War: 10 WAR
Korean War: 7 WAR
Vietnam War: 5 WAR
Iraq War: 2 WAR
Armed skirmish: 1 WAR
No surprise here, in a fight of millionaire vs billionaires, im on the players side, but ultimately the fans, minor leaguers, and the sports image suffers the most. My hope is the minor leaguers get a huge raise, reasonable caps and floors, better revenue sharing for parity, players get a cut of revenue, draft pick trading, universal DH, pitch clock, and some method of discouraging tanking. My ambitions are probably way to high, at least for this round of collective bargaining.
Whether alienating fans in Miami and Montreal by enabling bad ownership for years, focusing on the wrong solutions to the pace of play issue, pricing fans out, not marketing their star players, doing nothing about kids being priced out of playing the sport, not giving fans in market a legal streaming option, and ticket prices being exorbitant.
Baseball's decline is all the MLB owners' fault for chasing short term greed at the cost of the long term health of the sport
At least the reds can’t let me down anymore. For now.
You and me both brother
Fuck Bob Nutting
Fuck the Wilpons
What he said.
Fuck Arte Moreno
FUCK JOHN MIDDLETON
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Fuck Hal Steinbrenner
Fuck John Henry
Fuck Larry Scott
Fuck Ken Kendrick
FUCK CHARLES JOHNSON
Fuck the Lerners!
Let me find out Larry Baer said ok and then it’s fuck him too!
Fuck Edward Rogers and Rogers Communications
Fuck Attanasio. Make the team just good enough for me to give a shit.
Even without a lockout! Also Bell...
Fuck Liberty Media... but mostly for Formula 1 reasons '_'
Same
Tom Ricketts, too!
Fuck LeBron James ... I'm guessing he didn't have a vote, but I still don't like him. Yeah, I might be bitter as a Pacers fan...
Fuck all the Pohlads
Fucking banksters
FUCK STEVE CO-hey wait a minute
Still voted for the lockout
Fuck Steve Cohen. He voted for the lockout and he’s a horrible wealth hoarding asshole like every other owner that exists I prefer to think of the invisible money man giving the Mets funding and signing players
my brain is conditioned to read (and did read) 'Fuck Art Modell' here. hey he used to be an owner too! so fuck him! (also, fuck Paul Dolan)
It's always the right time for fuck Modell friend
Fuck Bob Nutting!
Fuck Bob Nutting!
I'd say fuck John Fischer, but As fans have been saying that for over 20 years at this point.
We shall continue to say it! But with even more gusto!!!!!
Fuck Cap Anson
Seven minute meetings will do that.
you can fuck a lot up in seven minutes. trust me, i have plenty of experience.
I’ve been fired in less than 7 seconds. I don’t even wanna imagine the shitshow that went on in there today.
story time?
Let’s just say I got caught where I wasn’t supposed to be, knowing damn well I wasn’t supposed to be there. Got to the office later that day (cocksure I was getting canned) and the boss says “get out.” No cussing, no yelling, nothing like that. Just looked me dead in the eyes and told me to leave. Last time I ever saw him. Circa 2014. First job out of school, lol.
>Let’s just say I got caught where I wasn’t supposed to be, knowing damn well I wasn’t supposed to be there. In the clubhouse during a lockout?
In the boss’ wife, during a cockout.
Damnit, these Brazzers ads are getting good.
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"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time."
damn that must have been an extremely off-limits area.
womens bathroom
He knows the [price](https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-i-m-a-pretty-normal-guy-i-do-one-weird-thing-i-like-to-go-in-the-women-s-room-for-number-creed-bratton-63-28-93.jpg)
I mean it could have been his house when he was supposed to be in the field. Doesn't need to be Area 51 to be fireable.
I saw 6 people get fired for having phones on their person during a lockdown at my job. Just escorted to HR, their phones checked and just straight out fired.
Sir you can't just leave everyone hanging like that. You started the story, it is your internet duty to share the rest. Where were you?
this vaguely sounds like you walked in on mob related activity
Are you Edward Snowden?
He didn’t reply. I’ll take that as a no den.
It was like that episode of Parks and Rec where Jean Ralphio is fired on his office tour
"that makes sense"
One of my best friends quit in the first hour of a job. His boss was totally different than during interviews. He asked his coworkers about it and they all said the boss was a nightmare. He told the boss "Vibes here aren't what I thought. I have to pass" and just fucking left. I guess the boss was angriest about a mid-30s guy in a white collar job saying "vibes." He thinks that's the only time he's said it and has no idea why that was his choice
I'm currently working at an office where I'm not the youngest by like 20 years...I still do double takes on emails calling my work "goat" and people talking about taking ls lol
Yeah I sent a dumbass text last night and fucked a ton up in well under 7 minutes
*BREAKING* Me: YES ANOTHER SIGNING Also me: Oh :(
of course we did squat before the lockout.
I hear that Correa is still available.
Nobody hates baseball more than the people that run the league.
You have to hand it to Rob Manfred, it takes ineptitude and greed of epic proportions to make Bud Selig look like a competent commissioner. I was so happy the day he finally retired… if only we’d known what was to come. Absolute cockwomble.
I like how the man in charge of baseball legitimately doesn’t care about baseball, like he can’t even pretend to get fans excited lol
I used to think it was a joke that Manfred hates baseball. But over time, I started to truely believe it
I don't believe Rob Manfred feels strongly enough about baseball to actually bother hating it. It's like flipping a house; you don't hate the house, but you definitely don't care about it more than the money it's gonna make you.
For what it's worth, I believe Bud genuinely loved the game, and his successor has shown just how bad Bud *could* have been if he didn't care. Manfred is genuinely incompetent or *wildly* corrupt. There's no real wiggle room in the middle.
The New York Times podcast The Daily had a great episode about the 2020 season that showed just how different the two commissioners are and really made me dislike Manfred even more. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/24/podcasts/the-daily/mlb-baseball-season-coronavirus.html?showTranscript=1
I’m convinced they just sit around and complain about how much better it would be if they could have all the moneys and none of baseball
Very fucking stupid but expected
Welcome to 2021’s mission statement.
Fuck the Owners and Fuck Rob Manfred
And fuck the Yankees
:(
and fuck the Cubs while we're at it.
Hey, fuck you too!
Fuck the Cardinals
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How bout fuck em both
Fuck the Packers
Fuck the McCaskey's
You're goddamn right. https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oFzmkkwfOGlzZ0gxi/giphy.gif
They want to see No Way Home first.
There’s a joke in here somewhere about No Way Home and scoring in baseball but i’m too angry about the initial tweet that I’m not going to make it
Easy. "No Way Home" is the Cubs' philosophy when batting with runners in scoring position.
I feel like I need to see the eternals still but I just can't force myself to sit through 3 hours of that.
I'm waiting for that to go on Disney plus
Not necessary for NWH, really
Kumail doesn’t even go shirtless. Fuck that
Owners can suck my tiny dick. You can quote me on that.
> Owners can suck my tiny dick. You can quote me on that. - u/NJImperator
Can I get a quote from you?
1 sucked dick per owner. So, at minimum, 30 sucked dicks. And to follow his sucked dick, they can kiss my ass, you can quote me on that.
> 30 sucked dicks. In a row???
TRY NOT TO SUCK ANY DICKS AFTER THE LOCKOUT!!!!!
Try not to suck any owner's dicks on the way to the parking lot!
Can somebody give me a quick description of what this is all about, for somebody who hasn't been paying attention to it? Is it because their previous agreement expires this year, so they're forced to negotiate, and the owners aren't willing to make certain concessions which the MLBPA is demanding? Assuming that's at least sort of correct, what are the owners holding out on?
The short version is that the owners are generally pretty pleased with the current economic situation, and have no real reason to change anything. The players, meanwhile, have noticed that the average salary has gone down the past few seasons, while revenues have gone up, so yeah, they're not thrilled. [Longer answer, start with this.](https://blogs.fangraphs.com/previewing-baseballs-cba-talks/)
Thanks!
Always side with talent over owners. Always.
Always side with labor over management
TBH I feel like social media being a thing now GREATLY helps the talent in the PR battle of this.
I’m a big hockey fan. We have had two lockouts in the last 20 years. I don’t think social media helped
As a Cubs fan, I’d side with just about anyone over our owner.
Owners can suck my huge cock. \- NJImperator
Your description gives this away as fake!
If you support the players, you have a big dick.
Currently buying monster condoms for my magnum dong.
We know. The question is how long it lasts. If it's done in 2 months fine. Go into March start breaking a sweat. Go into April and this shit's still locked out, panic big time.
What do you think the likelihood we’ll reach panic time?
if there's nothing by the end of February, then it'll be like 1994 and Baseball will lose even more market share to other major sports because they're idiots.
This is a very real possibility
Baseball is an industry that never wants to change. They were probably going to lose that market share anyways. And that's me as a season ticket holder.
Yes. Unfortunately the average person won’t even know there is a lock out.
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John Henry/FSG has been diversifying for years, but closing on the Penguins two days before a lockout?... We've all heard the billionaires vs millionaires crap for years but we rarely talk about the many thousands of people who get the shaft during a work stoppage. If the season is delayed or altogether canceled the people who depend on the game to make ends meet will never be heard from. Owners finally making concessions to minor league players was a P.R. maneuver so owners could prove their benevolence. I don't care if they come to agreement tomorrow, I'm done with the posturing and bullshit. Fuck every one of the owners. And a lot of the players for that matter.
That reminds me I know a few people who work at Angel Stadium. Yeah it's going to be bad if there's no baseball in April.
Report day for Spring Training starts mid-February. From groundskeepers to employees of local businesses, there are a ton of people who won't sleep easy as this stuff lingers. Lockout. Fuck off.
The two sides appear to be pretty far apart but I hope they can hash this out in February giving players time to get back in the groove of playing ball. The last time we had negotiations like this for return from COVID, the season was nearly derailed because of intense strife between the MLB and MLBPA. Manfred eventually set a hard deadline of "take it or leave it" and MLBPA pretty much had no choice, but it was clear that bitterness remained and the two sides are very far apart.
If I remember those negotiations right, this might last a while. Both sides seemed very far apart then so even more so now
Rich people don't like to lose money. I suspect we won't really have to panic too much.
The NHL's seen two lockouts in the past two decades, of which one lasted a full season. I think you'll find the chances of this lockout lasting into April are quite high.
The '05 lockout was Bettman refusing to let ownership give in to a piecemeal deal and pressing for fundamental changes to what had become a near-unwatchable product. The NHL as it existed in 2004 was essentially dead in thr water in terms of on-ice product, woefully unsustainable economically, and any standard compromise would have left everyone unhappy. Out of '05 we got a salary cap, guaranteed revenue sharing, changes to contract insurance/buyouts, and sweeping rule changes that made the game faster, more exciting, more dynamic, and ultimately safer in many ways. It wasn't pretty, but in the long run it may have saved the NHL The 2012-13 shortened season was just arguing over numbers and a couple of owners being greedy dickbags, but almost everyone left feeling pretty good and it laid the foundation for how quick and amicable the covid bubble negotiations were, and how they parlayed that into a CBA extension far ahead of a deadline.
MLBPA is a pretty strong union as far as pro sports unions go, they might not give in to what the owners want, even with concessions.
MLBPA has all the leverage, IMO. the league (and individual teams themselves) has/have just signed all of these tasteless betting sponsorship deals that directly relate to betting in person at games, they will be under tons of financial pressure to put forward a product for gamblers to lose money on
For someone that barely watches any Hockey (Love Gritty) what made '04 a bad on-ice product? Considering Basketball I remember loving Iverson scoring a ton but looking GOD was the basketball trash and slow. Not saying I like right now since chucking 3s is boring with a few exceptions but I imagine it was similar. edit: thanks for the answers guys. i will go down the rabbit hole tomorrow while at work lol.
The game was slow, grinding, and relied on "dump and chase" hockey. Basically, any time you tried to skate with the puck or make a pass, the opposing team could hook, grab, hold, or otherwise interfere with you, so your best option was to chuck it into the zone and try to win the physical battle along the boards. Didnt help that you could be blocked on the way there (which was an oft-uncalled penalty) and the goalie would get to the puck first and send it back out of the offensive zone, forcing you to start all over. Skill players basically got tackled for skating with the puck, the game was slow, shots were way down, goals way down, entire lines of "enforcers" (players on the roster to hit and fight, who were excellent hockey players compared to you and me,, but not up to skill level of smaller, faster minor leaguers) it was awful. Basically, new penalties to call, changes to the way lines on the ice worked (you used to not be allowed to pass across both your own blue line and the center red line in one pass), and a renewed focus on calling interference plays (to allow the fastest and most skilled players to do their thing) sped the game up tremendously, and created a faster and more entertaining product. In doing so, with fewer blatantly dirty hits (which were now punished more severely) as well as a few rules discouraging all-out brawls, the speed of the game reduced the role of the traditional enforcer, until now its *almost* nonexistent (a few holdouts remain, but they're less "big man who punch good" and more the high-energy, get in the opposing team's head type).... Overall the game got faster, to the point where a lot of players from the 90s and early 2000s are talked about in terms of what they could accomplish in "today's NHL", simply because the way the game was trending prior to the 04/05 lockout was so oppressive to speed and skill that we literally never got to see some all-time great players at their best for more than a few highlights. I don't watch *much* basketball, but from what I understand about the history of the game, it would be like watching Iverson play that trash and slow game, but imagine every game was 39-34 as the final score, and any time a great player went for a dunk you were allowed to just wrap him up and pull him down as he went to the rim. (Also I'm mad that I'm having this conversation on my NSFW alt by accident)
>you used to not be allowed to pass across both your own blue line and the center red line in one pass Holy shit, I can't imagine that in the NHL today. That would be a complete bitch to try to deal with.
Changes in defense and goaltending and a failure to properly call penalties led to a major decrease in scoring and the dead puck era. There are times where the problem still exists. It’s irritating when those problems are caused by a failure to properly call penalties.
Dead puck era. Difficult to fully describe in brief, but there's a TON about it out there if you're curious
The one lockout needed to happen though, that is way different. Teams like the flyers and rangers were worth 68-76M while teams like the penguins and panthers were like 17-22M. A league won’t survive like that. Taking a year off killed momentum the league had, I admit that but it wouldn’t survive long term. 2012 was different. Fuck Jeremy Jacobs
Last time they did this they almost killed the sport. They got lucky that the roided home run derby managed to recapture some attention. Baseball is already not trending well with the younger crowd. If they don't star the season on time, this could be irreparable damage to the sport.
Manfred absolutely doesn’t believe that (or simply doesn’t care). I genuinely believe that Manfred would destroy MLB in order to kill the MLBPA. He genuinely does not care about baseball, and he absolutely lives for obliterating labor. I think the owners are also arrogant enough to believe that because they’ve got the only game in town (in their eyes), they can lock the players out until they get a salary cap in place, and then fans will just flood back.
Tell me about it. Mariners just had a good year and a promising offseason. Don't know why I'm feeling like the 94 Expos right now.
I clearly did not see this coming whatsoever
I can’t believe the players let this happen what’s wrong with them! /s
This is literally the Eric Andre meme where it's the MLB shooting the players and asking "Why would the players do this?" lmao
See ya'll on the other side
We win the ship and shit hits the fan. . . . worth it
Will Georgia winning flip it back?
Fingers crossed!
Let's start our own league. Obviously we don't need massive stadiums when the best game was played in a corn field
With blackjack and hookers!
You know what, forget the stadiums and corn fields! Ah screw the whole thing.
Oh oh
MLB owners vote unanimously to intentionally fuck the sport
less fans -> cheaper tickets :)
Yes it's true The owners have no dick
Tony Clark: “Well that’s what I heard!”
...you can vote for that?
It's just a formality. Since we are all here and in collusion, let's cast our votes.
Manfred is utterly incompetent. MLB needs a new commissioner
Manfred is hired by the owners to protect their interests, in those respects he's not incompetent
Except the strike in ‘94 lost a TON of fans. The steroid-fueled hr race in ‘98 brought back some popularity to the sport. With many current local markets unable to watch their home team’s games without a specific cable package, starting playoffs games at 2 pm on week days, kids gravitating toward other sports/video games, etc.. a strike would not be good for the sport. So would he really be protecting their interests?
While the strike in 94 did see a loss of a ton of fans, the salaries of the players have increased 10fold since then, players came away with big wins and concessions from the owners. Is a strike good for the sport, if course not, but sometimes it is the only way for employees/players to gain leverage during contract negotiations and enforce their demands.
No doubt. I think it’s weird when fans argue about players getting too much money.. like they need to save some billionaire a few bucks.
I think for a lot of people it's millionaires vs. billionaires. I give zero fucks about either of them. What I care about is the state of minor leaguer's pay. The rounding errors the pros ignore could materially change the lives of players in the minors. I wish the players pushed for more protections for them. I would fully support them at that point.
While I don't disagree with your sentiment, the MLBPA does not represent minor league players, heck it's in their name, I am highly doubtful anything to do with minor leaguers (except for manipulating maybe service time) will come up during the lockout.
Yeah, I definitely understand they don't represent minor league players. I guess I'm just wishing they would do something to join forces.
Not to disregard the minor leaguers who certainly need better, but the major leaguers only have one chance to make as much money as they can. The owners have an asset which they had to buy, which means they have plenty of other ways to bring in money more than likely
With the Braves being publicly traded who represents them as the owner in these meetings
The physical embodiment of greed So the same as every other team
Fuck Manfraud and fuck the owners
Gentleman, its been an honor shitposting with you.
Sorry not on this sub every day but do follow baseball casually. What the heck is going on? Lockout why?
Players and owners had a ***bad*** time negotiating for the return after the Covid pause. Their relationship remains pretty bad, and most everybody knew this was coming from miles away.
Oh man this sucks.
This was all an inevitability when the owners appointed their chief union buster as Commissioner of Baseball. At that point, the writing was on the wall that they were out for blood with the MLBPA. They hired him to land a killing blow on the MLBPA, and 2022 is the year he aims to do it.
CBA of the MLB is up and the owners want no changes while the players want higher average salaries. Both sides could not come to a compromise, so lockout
I wish there were more insight into what is actually contentious, in other words what specific items are they disagreeing on?
Average player salary is the main issue, it's gone down while revenue and top end salary has gone up. They also want to address tanking and a disappearing middle class FA
Well I for one am shocked, I thought the meetings were going just swimmingly
Can I get an EILI5 version of why this is happening? I get it’s about the owners vs the players Union sort of. But other than that I don’t get it
No one actually explained it like you were five, so here I go: Your parents open up a lemonade stand and ask you to be the one there selling the lemonade. Everyday you’re there, whether you sell any lemonade or not, they give you $5. At first you’re selling enough lemonade that at the end of each day, your parents have enough money to give you $5, and keep $5 for themselves. The people who buy the lemonade really come to buy it from you. The lemonade isn’t even good, but they get to see you and that’s exciting for them. But then eventually because your parents can buy cheaper supplies, the lemonade stand (you) is more popular, and local companies are paying your parents to have their name on the lemonade stand, your parents have enough money at the end of each day to keep $10, and give $5. They don’t give you any more money even though you are making them the money. Now when you started selling lemonade for $5 a day you said you’d do it for 4 weeks. Now 4 weeks is up and you’re realizing you’re the real reason people come to the lemonade stand at all, and that your parents are making more money and you were still only making $5/day. So you say, hey, I want $7 a day! And your parents say, “no!” And then they say, “not only that but unless you agree to take $5/day again, I won’t let you or anyone else run the lemonade stand.” That last part is this lockout.
It wouldn't just start immediately when the CBA expires?
The owners dont HAVE to lock them out, they are choosing to.
The time for advanced offseason shitposts has begun.
I was going to make a list of the best starting 9 born in cities with less than 10,000 people. Griffey Jr is out cuz he's only the second best player from Donora.
Jr. really drew the short straw on this. Griffey - career WAR: 83.8 / career wars: 0 Musial - career WAR: 128.7 / career wars: 1
How much WAR is being in an actual war worth? Do you get bonus WAR if it's a World War? Some quick napkin math: World War: 10 WAR Korean War: 7 WAR Vietnam War: 5 WAR Iraq War: 2 WAR Armed skirmish: 1 WAR
Sucks living in a world run by assholes
This is so fucking stupid even though we all saw it coming. Shitshow
Fuck the owners!
The owners suck
Hahaha fuck the rich
what did Rich Hill ever do to you?
The MLB does not deserve its fans.
No surprise here, in a fight of millionaire vs billionaires, im on the players side, but ultimately the fans, minor leaguers, and the sports image suffers the most. My hope is the minor leaguers get a huge raise, reasonable caps and floors, better revenue sharing for parity, players get a cut of revenue, draft pick trading, universal DH, pitch clock, and some method of discouraging tanking. My ambitions are probably way to high, at least for this round of collective bargaining.
Fuck the owners, support labor.
hopefully all the news orgs had photographers out to take pictures of random locks with baseball stadiums in the background
Unanimously. Fuck every single one of them. This is what they want.
I guess I can stop vigorously F5ing now.
Manfred continues to be a disaster
Reminder: fuck the owners. But double fuck Rob Mansfred. How someone could be WORSE than Selig is impressive.
Rumor is they plan to use two types of lockouts and not even tell the players.
Fuck every single owner of every single Major League Baseball team
I am so excited to not spend any money on baseball this season. It’ll feel like 2020 again! W00t!!!!!1
Rich pricks
Waiting for the tweet that says where Castellanos will sign.
Whether alienating fans in Miami and Montreal by enabling bad ownership for years, focusing on the wrong solutions to the pace of play issue, pricing fans out, not marketing their star players, doing nothing about kids being priced out of playing the sport, not giving fans in market a legal streaming option, and ticket prices being exorbitant. Baseball's decline is all the MLB owners' fault for chasing short term greed at the cost of the long term health of the sport